15 Day Martial Law lockdowns

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Oct 14, 2020, 19:11

The UK had something like 20,000 cases the other day.

Something I have never seen the scientists recommend is a 15 extreme lockdown. 

Given the virus has a life span of fewer than 14 days, it would be a quick way to reduce R rate.

Having an extreme lockdown of 14 days, 2-3 times per year would be more effective than long lockdowns, that many people choose not to follow anyway. It would be easier for businesses to manage 6 weeks spread over 1 year. 

With martial law, they could enforce the lockdown. Food deliveries could even be taken over by the army, to try to ensure people do not need to leave their homes.

2 weeks locked at home is tough, but it would save more lives and do less damage to the economy. It would be easier to implement in first world countries. 

This would reduce R-rate and allow for effective contact tracing by identifying new cases, and who these people have been in contact with. (typically same house, building, set of flats etc). 

If the vaccine was ready, the army and police could take it to prevent them being mass spreaders- along with the medical staff. 

Oct 14, 2020, 19:17

You need someone to change your diaper too?

No western country can mimic China when it comes to a hard lockdown...and that didn't stop it...herd immunity and treating the worst cases is the way to go...this can't be contained...have you learned nothing yet?

Oct 14, 2020, 19:29

Dummy, it can double in 1 week. So when it gets really high, a quick martial law lockdown will reduce the infections rapidly.

The UK is back around 80 deaths per day, it was really low 2 months ago- for about 3 months. 

More and reports are surfacing of people having had Corona twice, as well as long term health concerns where not everyone gets over it 100%- so herd immunity is not an option. 

The only solution is a vaccine, and some form of social distancing to keep the r- rate low in the meantime.
A vaccine could be ready in the UK this year. 

Oct 15, 2020, 08:17

The government has allowed it's citizens to recklessly spread this virus, especially in the UK

It is disgusting how some people are treating this like it's nothing..... but then taking it back with them, to kill their elderly parents or aunts and uncle

The scenes in Liverpool lately are just pathetic, and show exactly what little respect is being offered towards other people who could easily be killed by this virus

Oct 15, 2020, 09:08

"So when it gets really high, a quick martial law lockdown will reduce the infections rapidly."

Why not throw all the offenders in a concentration camp? What about gas chambers?

Oct 15, 2020, 10:19

This makes me sick

Covid Chaos

Oct 15, 2020, 10:46

You can send people home for 3 weeks and they will comply...extend it for a few weeks, you'll lose a few, but most will still comply, but if you extend that to months, unless people start dropping dead in the streets, people will start going on with their normal lives. 

The South African government went too far with some of our lockdown regulations...it will probably be impossible to enforce a second strict lockdown should it become necessary. 

My doctor told me that any lockdown to try and stop/curb a pandemic should be at least 42 days...6 weeks...apparently Virology 101 stuff...so the 15 day pipe dream sounds like BS anyway...matial law nogal...Stalin would be so proud.

Oct 15, 2020, 12:05

Dread you doctor sounds like an idiot, probably one of the few remaining young-earth creationist doctors. My advice would be to find a new doctor. 

How can any lockdown be the same length... Silly, as that does not factor in how long the virus is able to live. It also does not factor in how extreme the lockdown is. 

Oct 15, 2020, 12:23

"How can any lockdown be the same length... "

"..should be at least 42 days"

Shark, maybe you should try to understand what you read before calling people you don't even know stupid...I'm no virologist, but would wager that your infantile simplistic view is way off base...I'll rather go with what the doctors say on these things, thank you.

Oct 15, 2020, 12:30

"the" doctors, no "your" doctor...

There is some consensus amongst doctors, but there will always be outliers such as Trump's witch doctor, and that moron he found for the task force- Scott Atlas.

Oct 15, 2020, 12:44

Go ask your doctor about it then...BTW, it was confirmed by a few other doctors too...and we have excellent doctors in South Africa...and Scott Atlas is not a medical practitioner...

Oct 15, 2020, 22:50

You are more likely not understanding the context of what a doctor is saying. 

If it was possible to isolate everyone individually in the world, that would end all Covid cases within 14 days. 
The Covid virus dies in the body within14 days, so it would not be possible to pass it to anyone else. 

It is not possible to isolate everyone individually in the world for 14 days, so there is going to be a certain amount of human proximity - and therefore transmissions. 

The less contact, the more cases will die before spreading. It is a simple principle and the basis of the lockdown. 

So the length of time to make an effect is a guess based on the estimated minimum amount of human proximity (2 m) lockdown permits with the duration of the lockdown.  

For example, people are allowed to go to the shop under most lockdowns. This means human proximity contact in a small area indoors, so a great opportunity for the virus to spread. 
So in this case, a 14-day lockdown would not be long enough. 

If the virus can live outside the body on surfaces for a long period of time(e.g 1 week) that does complicate things further, but again if people are at home, there are fewer surfaces to contaminate or be contaminated from. 

Minimal contact for 14 days using martial law, would be a big dent in the virus active infections in the UK/US/Europe. 

This will buy another 4 months, and soon the vaccine will be ready. Then the next lockdown can be done by the army delivering food packages in conjunction with the post office and private delivery companies. Perhaps packages could be run through ultraviolet light to kill any viruses. 

The army and any support team would already have taken the vaccine, along with medical staff.- which will ensure they do not become superspreaders. 

Oct 16, 2020, 06:12

"You are more likely not understanding the context of what a doctor is saying. "

Pissoff! You're talking put of your arse again. You are the one with the simplistic view of a complex issue...take your Gulag mentality and shove it.

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