Caitlyn Jenner is leading the fury over Donald Trump 's conviction on all 34 felony counts in his historic hush money trial
WOW!
Janee, trumpanzees, ah la allsorts.
Th e case will g/o on appeal and the Judg e and D A will suffer the consequences - they will have been guilty of misdemeanours that will lead to to them being debarred from practicing law in the USA in future.
Aside from that the taxpayers of New York will have to pay Trump's legal expenses in theses cases - it would run to more than $1 billion if the court ruling by Daniels to pay for legal exxpenses iro her claims against Trump is born in mind. The media and their brainwashed idiots will agree he is guilty of what crime? It could not be about influencing the 2016 election at all. The New York State plays no role in federal electionsx - legally that rests wiith the Federal Election Commission who investigated the allegations in 2017 and found nothing illegal about what happened in the case of Trump. If anything illegal happened the Commission would have two ways of dealing with the issue - namely to fine the candidate ;personally to pay a fine - or to report the issue to the Federal Justice Department for prosecution. As an example they did fine Clinton $100 000 for her invovlement in the Steele Dossier based on lies she and the DNC with the aid of the Obama Administration spread on that one and tried to use it in the 2016 election.
The Judge apparently knew it was a political trial and not a criminal one concocted by the Biden WH - after all his daughter was paid $12 million for services rendered to the DNC and his remarks when instructing the Jurists to find Trump guilty even if there was no proof of breaking any law was not proved to exist or having beimg proved, if this ever end up in the Supreme Court all hell will break lose as usage of the judiciary against political opponents leads to dictatorial conduct expectged from a banana Republic - not in a demcoratic country with a proper Constitution. It will be regarded as a dangerous precedent and destructive to democracy and the USA Constitution.
It will have consequeces in the upcoming election rather than to divide the nation even further started by Obama after 2012 and becoming endemic ever since that date. The Democrats must hope it does not reach the Supreme Court before.election day - because the Court may even refer to the Justice Department to charge Biden and his legal team - as well as the DNC with crimes against the US constitution and bar them from future participation in elections and the lawyers conerned from practising law in the USA. The other case of James is going the same way.
Please note that there were actual breaking of the law by Clinton in 2016 - but she was not charged with anything by the Trump Presidency and that was definitely the case in 2016 as proved by Special Council Durham.
The problem for Biden and the Demcorats is that everything the Biden Administration touched turned into shit and they cannot defend their actions in the present election campaign. Inflation is sky-rocketting, law and order collapsing especially the cities - and the Open Border Policy is destroying the USA from within. The fact is that the people are suffering - especially the middle class, the working class and the poor and those are the issues the Demcorats refuse to deal with and they will suffer as a result.
Maladministration and bribery and corruption undermined the ANC in SA and caused them to lose control of Parliament and forced them into a coalition Government. The same result will be happening in the USA in November for exactly the same reasons.
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Guess there goes the retort "but what has he actually been convicted of!"
Please provide the law that Trump broke according to you Stav. Just name it and we can discuss it further from a legal perspective.
The Trumpanzees like DumbMike can go to their grave proclaiming the innocence of their master.
All while, civilised society accepts that the Jury convicted Trump in the first degree, not the government.
Claiming their Master's innocence was expected......it's typical of the Nutjobs.
Probably won't make much difference. People have pretty much made up their mind on him one way or another at this point.
Stay tuned to what is going to take place with respect to this trial verdict Nutters.
Not one legal expert expects that this verdict will hold up on APPEAL.
Setup, setup and corruption that has invested every case against PRESIDENT TRUMP thus far.
This verdict is doing wonders for raising awareness, funds and additional MAGA voters from the Black voters and now the Demorats are going to be held accountable.
Trust you "anti Trumpers" will be able to accept the final honest legal verdict once the appeal is heard.
But I do not for one moment believe you "Lefties" will.
Not one legal expert expects that this verdict will hold up on APPEAL.
Let me fix that for you.
Not one legal/professed legal expert being interviewed on the right wing conversative media I watch expects this verdict will hold up on APPEAL.
Awaiting for the but Alan Dershowitz response.
Setup, setup and corruption that has invested every case against PRESIDENT TRUMP thus far.
How utterly predictable.
This verdict is doing wonders for raising awareness, funds and additional MAGA voters from the Black voters and now the Demorats are going to be held accountable.
Trump certainly needs the funds, Biden's campaign is comfortable raising more cash the Trumps. How does a guilty vote in fraud trial involving pretty much entirely white people going to lead more votes from Black people...WTF?
Trust you "anti Trumpers" will be able to accept the final honest legal verdict once the appeal is heard.
Okay just want to clarify, that if he loses the appeal you will accept that verdict as honest?
But I do not for one moment believe you "Lefties" will.
But I do not for one moment believe you "Righties" will.
The site members who carry on about the guilty verdict does not realize this was a politicxal effort to undermine Trumps election campaign and had zero to do with any illlegality by Trump in 2016. If Trump did not run there was zero chance the charges would have been laid. The fact is nobody think this is not a politcal farce and the fact that the Judges daughter got millions from the Democrats. It will backfire badly on whatever happens on appeal. The fact is the site emmbers does not realize that the New York has zero standing to hear cases of federal election issues and the Judge stopped the evidence on that issue because he was ordered to do so by th e WH and the Justice Department.
One expect that from banana republic dictators and the Federal Courts would chuck out the case as the BS it really is. In any event the porn star is in trouble - she has to pay Trump legal cost in a case where her "evidence ' were not proved - but the present Justice Deprtment would not charge her with the crime involved - they probably corruptly promised to not charge here if she give evidence in this case. What the site idiots do not realize is that the US Government at present is totally corrupt and they use all measures possible from action being taken as to corrupt politicians and public servants.
Not sure what the fuss is, Donnie will be put on house arrest so it's not like he's going to trip himself lugging a ball and chain.
Be hilarious to see him sentenced to some form of community service. The thought of him picking up trash from the side of the road makes me smile.
I don't claim to be fluent in Shitoric but I have been exposed to it long enough to understand a bit of it and from what I can gather, the 3 site emmbers and the Bride's daughter are going to th iunk thsi8 sis nt for illegala ctfs unless they can provide HR eivddence.
The really frightening thing coming out of all this is that Bozo's multiple felony convictions won't stop him running for president and the brainwashed MAGA-cap-wearing zombies who worship him are probably even more likely to vote for him now that he is a convicted felon.
I'm really surprised that 12 jurors found him guilty on all counts...and the appeal would be interesting...
...yet again legal precedent was set in the way which the prosecutor used a retired porn star and a convicted perjurer to get an ex president convicted of a crime nobody else in history...ever... got convicted of...again...let that sink in.
For MAGA simpletons, Trump has now been elevated beyond Jesus' status.
Jesus only died on the cross once. Trump has fought all of these battles for him.
It is very simple, people need to follow the law.
There will be no election in the USA the site idiots does not realize that the election in the USA will destroy the Democrat Nazi and socialist this year - since the country will not want a Nazi dictator like Biden and his fellwo-Nazi's in charge. They are causing judicial chaos in the country anyway with their usage of illegal systems to get Trump out of the race.
The Demcorats can be equalled with the ANC in S A - they are as corrupt as the local BSters are and they have destroyed the lives of at least 80 million people by impoverishing them through spending sprees and corruption in Government causing inflation. .
I have never seen a case where the countries democracy is being destoryed by the crooks in charge as effectively as it was tried by Biden. The.Democrats know they have zero chance to win the election this year and the tactics they are using set a precedent that would lead to a real dictatorship the present regime tried to implement. That is why the majority of Amricans in an opinoion poll said that Biden is a greater threat to Demcoracy in the USA than Trump is. What they accuse Trump will be doing is what they already are doing themselves.
The site members do not realize the background of what is happening - neither do they understand how dangerous it is in future. Let me explain something to you in plain Emglish, When Bragg and James was elected in 2018 as DA's they were funded by Soros. Their main campaign was a campaign promise they would get rid of Trump by charging him wih crimes he committed, Bragg appointed a panel of lawyers to find evidence of of any laws iro which Trump could be charged with criminally. By 2019 the task team indicated that they could not find anything to charge Trump with and left the task team. Then came along the issue of Trump campaigning to participate in the 2024 election - but in 2020 no action was taken becxause there were no evidence of criminality and the Election Commission would have thrown out the case - as hey did in fact do in 2017. .
The strategy accepted by the Biden BSters was they would start charging Trump with crimes in 2024 as part of the Democratic Party election campaign. Biden was part of the decisionmaking process and they even sent a senior officer from the Justice Department to handle the case since Bragg could not be trusted to handle it. Then whenever the Biden idiot fuck up badly the next day a charge was laid against Trump. It had nothing to do with Trump breaking any law whatsoever - if it was to do with the 2016 presidential election - it could have been handled by a Federal Court after charges were laid by the Justice Department after being provided with evidence coming from the Federal Election Commssion. What happened in the 2016 election was considered by the Election Commission and the allegaiosn against Trump was investigated by the Commission and they found nothing illegal and did not act against Trump in any way. On the other hand the Commission found Clinton guilty of contracentiuon of the Election Law and fined her $100 000,
So what has the present charge to do with the 2016 election - it was a show trial case like found in dicatorships and is typical action to be expected from a corrupt Government. . Bribery and corruption in the USA has reached alarming levels The Demcoratic Party politicians - and especially Biden and Clinton fear that if Trump became president again they would have to answer for the corruption they were and are involved in. They cannot afford that to ahppen - hence the BS they started themselves. That is why not a single site member can answer the question as to what crime Trump committed.
So finally - if a crime was committed in 2016 - why did it take the Demcorats eight years to lay charges against Trump? If they say charges like that could not be laid while Trump was President - the answer is BS - they could have charged Trump in 2021 to 2023, They did not because it was part of the election strategy of the Democrats - they know with their record they will lose the election in 2024 and they acted to prevent it from happening.
There is no provisio for the klind of BS that the site idiot SB came up with - and the BSters cannot stop Trump from campaining - since the fact is they cannot stop it when a sentence by the New York court is under appeal.
The Federal and Supreme Courts will not go along with the BS and the courts will throw it out with nasty consequences as to repayment of legal costs incurred by Trump and debarring the legal representatives partaking in the NY trial case. Nobody would not know that in September 2023 a meeting of the Democrats were held in which they Demncorats decided to deal with the 2024 election. Af ter the meeting they said they have decided on a new election startegy that will be come clear this year, They know that they have fucked up royally in the time Biden was President and they could expect that they will have to face the music if Trump is re-elected as President.
No Snark...Jesus is the Messiah ...Trump is merely a mortal martyr for a political ideal...
All Trump's "convictions" stretches current legal precedent and lefties aren't even curious about it...
". . . a crime nobody else in history...ever... got convicted of . . ."
"...a president falsifying documents to try and disguise hush money paid to a porn star is not exactly a common occurrence. "
That wasn't the crime...and he wasn't president then...
Clutching at straws once more all the Trump Haters are in for a rude awakening from reports about what the FBI has been doing to cover for old "Tripper" Biden.
Bank records and reports that the Director of the FBI has finally under threat of being a Biden HOLD OUT shown to the Congress members investigating "Crooker" Biden for tax evasion plus holding multiple banking accounts and multiple transfers in a fain and desperate effort to cover his tracks even when he was VP.
Once a crook always a crook.
Trust that you Lefties would also wish to see justice prevail.
I have my doubts........
Wolle weet dit nie, hy's net lief vir Husky...
Draad the word you are looking for is ‘precedent’….’stretches the current legal president’ is truly embarrassing. No need to thank me.
There is never any "precedent" until after something happens.
Trump is the least "presidential" person to ever be appointed as "president".
If someone appointed Jeffrey Epstein or Charles Manson to be president, there would be new "precedence".
And Biden is the least mentally competent…neither of these men should be running.
SB
What does the "least presidential" mean? Does it mean that promoting destruction of your country - such as Biden did - is "presidential"? .
"Draad the word you are looking for is ‘precedent’….’stretches the current legal president’ is truly embarrassing. No need to thank me."
A stupid spelling error twice repeated and corrected...oh, the shame... I'll probably pronounce it wrong too...but a sincere thanks for pointing it out...I'm sure to make similar errors in the future, but not that one...never too old to learn né?
Yes, Draad apologise for that act.
SB
Why is the general opinion in the USA is that Bragg's and Judge"s conduct have caused and contributed to the Trump victory in November 5. People do not want to contribute to the USA becoming a banana republic the Democrats want to introduce.
You mean amongst the rednecks?
You mean amongst the rednecks?
Everyone but for you raving lefty nutters.
FOUR MORE YEARS for President TRUMP to get the country back into shape and leader of the free world.
Trust that in that time justice will take care of the scumbags who have destroyed everything they have touched.
SB
Says the rednecks - you must mean the millionaires and other contributors pouring into the Republicans election funds. Millions came in after the announce of the fake guilty verdict. The people know it was a election scheme of the Democrats - since they cannot defend the disasters they caused for the US people in everything Biden did.
The election will not be influenced by fake court cases. It was the worst election interference in US history and will be regarded as such by the majority USA voters. Only brain washed idiots think otherwise. .
SB
Says the rednecks - you must mean the millionaires and other people and entitiies money pouring into the Republicans election funds. Millions came in after the announce of the fake guilty verdict. The people know it was an election scheme of the Democrats - since they cannot defend the disasters they caused for the US people in everything Biden did.
The election will not be influenced fake court cases. It was the worst election interference in U S history and will be regarded as such by the majority USA voters. Only crain wash ed idiots think otherwise. .
Shark you and Blob are almost as unhinged as HasBeen-ou. What happened did you get smacked at Sunday School?
I was sacrificed one Sunday, and I never truly returned
Hahaha ….that’s why you have to be so very careful not to get sacrificed.
The US will survive another Trump presidency, they've overcome far bigger crises in their history.
My total concern is for Ukraine .................. look at the damage caused by Goppies blocking
the supply of weapons for five months.
BB
The G oppies did it because the US voters are opposed to foreign funding pojects at the expense of the US poor and working class reliefs from their suffering . The Republicans know the war is an unwinnable one and they support peaceful settlemnt of the issues in Ukraine - which the Democrats sabotaged.
The Democrats support such wars through borrowing of money - while there is no money available for relieve of he poor, The US Government is in crisis today and the people are indeed longing for return to nomalcy they encountered under Trump comparaed to the present US crisis situation created by the leftist Biden and the Democrat regime.
The Repulicans know the present weapon supplies to Ukraine will not have any positive effect and will be suspended the moment Trump became president and the situation would be settled through negotiations not neessarily favoring Russia. Putin knows that Trump is a difficult person to negotiate anything on and in the end US interests would be served and not any other countries interests.
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BB
The G oppies did it because the US voters are opposed o firei gn funding pojects at the expense of the US poor and working class reliefs frm their suffering . The Republicans know the war is an unwinnable one and they support peaceful settlemnt of th e issues in Ukraine - wh ich the Democrats sabotaged.
The Democrats support such wars through borrowing of money - while there is no money available for relieve of he poor, The US Government is in crisis today and the people are indeed longing for return to nomalcy they encountered under Trump comparaed to the present US crisis situation created by the leftist Biden and the Democrat regime.
The Repulicans know the present weapon supplies to Ukraine will not have any positive effect and will be suspended the moment Trump became president and the situation would be settled through negotiations not neessarily favoring Russia. Putin knows that Trump is a difficult person to negotiate anything on and in the end US interests would be served and not any other countries interests.
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Should be interesting to see how the appeal goes....
What is also interesting is the comparisons that some people are already making regarding Trump and Obama.
The Obama campaign was fined $375 000 in 2008 for failing to report $1 .8 million dollars in campaign contributions and donations, and for accepting contributions that exceeded legal limits during the 2008 presidential run.
They failed to report 1 300 contributions within the required 48 hour period.
The campaign accepted contributions that exceeded the $2 300 per person limit set by federal law.
There were also instances of inaccurate reporting of donations, leading to discrepancies in the campaigns financial records.
I don't know the complete details of both cases but it it's interesting to see how both cases were treated and why it is being brought up as comparison.
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Not sure which one is worse, Kimmel or Fallon ...... then we have our very own Trevor....who changed dramatically once he got the CC promotion.
What about Trompies incoherent ramble ?
I honestly didn't watch it, and won't do, sorry blob ...
I just cannot stand Jimmy Kimmel or Jimmy Fallon, and now also our very own Trevor......they have always been fake and pretentious and that is something I would see all the time when they sat and talked with their celebrity guests .... makes me want to puke how they grovel and fake laugh at their guests, especially Fallon ... it's nauseating.
Did you actually hear what Trump said or did you hear only the vcpments of Fallon claimed he said. Stop learning from BS spreading by people like Fallon. His comments are BS as well as misrepresentations as to what Trump said as well.
Ja, and what about Donnie's myriad of lies or has he never lied?
What am I missing here?
I just haven't been able to bring myself to watch anything that any of these guys say for many years now, I just genuinely do not find them funny at all, and I think that they treat their audiences like idiots with their stupid attempts at humour.
For every lie of Trump there are 20 actual lies of Biden. A recent one was that he travelled on the train using the Baltimore bridge many times - when in fact there were no rail lines on th bridge. A famous one was that when in S A he was arrested on the way to Soweto to meet Mandela. Young - the ex-Secretary of State who accompanied him on the trip - said it never h appened. By the way in 1988 Mandela was still in Paarl and not in Soweto. That one was one he used in the 2020 election.
Bidern claimed he was the top student when he was at University - he was nothing like that - he just missed the failure rate and was the worst student who got a degree.
Everytime he opens his mouth about his achievements he lied about it. That is factual - he was an admirer of Senator Byrne - the ex-KKK leader who bcame a Democrat Senator and even praised Wallace the ultra rightwing Governor of Arkansas - but now he claimed he was involved in the Black enhancement protests in the 1960's under Martin Luther King. King'\s daughter openly stated that Biden lied on that one as well.
The fact is there are media allegatiosns about Trump lying - but nothing ever proved. Whenever he differed from them and point out their BS - they claimed e lied about it. There must have been a thousand lies they claimed Trump can be accused if during their hysterical campaigns against him. Thety never admitted that the whole story about collusion with Putin was based on BS stories Clinton and the Demcorats started and was proved as media lies aftrwards - but the media never apologized for spreading lies.
Watch from 5.00 ....... it'll be painful for you but the sad loser exits left after about 3 hilarious minutes of bollocks .
What you regard as bollocks is not what the average American voter regard as bollocks.
By the qway the Republicans got $70 million from small donors in the USA since the guilty verdict and another $10 million from big donors to add to what these big donors already provided.
The small donors are from ordinary people sufferingn under the crooked Biden regime.
SB
If someone appointed Jeffrey Epstein or Charles Manson to be president, there would be new "precedence".
Sure there would be since both are dead - in life they would be typical Democratic Party candidates. Yui believe and love the Biden crime family so what is the difference between Epstein, Manson and Biden when it comes to criminality? Biden is accused of corruption and hundreds of bank documents showed and proved it. He created a protection racket in the Justice Department to protect him like they tried in the case of Hunter Biden. The latter is an admitted drug addict and nobody would do deals with him with Joe Biden approving what the corrupt companies want to happen.
There was a storm when it came to light that Joe and Hunter were each paid $5 million to ensure the Prosecutor be fired and then the FBI claimed that they cannot provide the name of the informant because it would endanger his life. The Special Council - Weiss investigating Hunter's activities - had the informant arrested and then conveninetly said he will only go on trial in January 2025 - long after election day - but the chances are he will never go on trial at all - since they lack proof of the allegations he made in a report to the Senate would expsoe Biden's involvenet in corruption. It is a dangerous time for the Biden crime family and for Joe himself - he will not be sent to jail because he is an old man suffering from dementia and they would place him in an asylum for the insain instead of in jail. .
They will be joined in jail by members of the Pelosi and Schiff crime families.
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So, besides the Obama election campaign incident I referred to further up..... where they got caught out, but never got charged with anything at all.....just fined $375 000 for huge financial irregularities during his 2008 presidential campaign, which included funds that were 5 times more than what Trump was involved with...... we also have Bill Clinton, who had sex in the Oval office, when he was still the sitting president, and then proceeded to lie to all the American people about it on national television and under oath..... by saying that it never happened, and also then separately paying off Paula Jones $850 000, which involves nearly 7 times as much money as Trump paid, to get rid of a sexual harassment claim against him, also, whilst he was still president..... but no charges were put forward.
If people cannot now start seeing the farce that this Trump trial was and still is, then nothing will.
The problem is that thus far there were no law identified by the State as to what law Trump broke - but there is plenty of evidence that Biden is corrupt and for that Biden will himself be in jail. Like Hur stated in his report it will not be fair to charge Biden with stealing classified docments to be given to the writer of his biography as h doies not know what he eally did. amd no court will find h im g uilty because he suffers from dementia. . So Trump will not see him in jail - he will be sent to an asylum for the critical level of dementia Biden suffers from and if Trump really want to see him - it will have to be in a lunatic asylum for dementia sufferers. .
By the way idiotspeakers there is a race horse filly in England called Mrs Trump and ran in a race yesterday, I backed that filly to win the race she ran in and she won. So it prove again - bank on Trump and you can only win.
So, besides the Obama election campaign incident I referred to further up..... where they got caught out, but never charged with anything at all.....just fined $375 000 for huge financial irregularities during his 2008 presidential campaign......
I find it interesting you brought this up again when you admitted you didn't know the full details of both cases in a previous post.
I don't know the complete details of both cases but it it's interesting to see how both cases were treated and why it is being brought up as comparison.
The differences between the two cases, is that the offense committed by the Obama campaign was unintentional and something they tried to correct in real time, where as Trump's offenses where criminal in nature. You can look up the differences with a quick google search.
we also have Bill Clinton, who had sex in the Oval office, when he was still the sitting president, and then proceeded to lie to all the American people about it on national television
A politician lying to the public...well I never. Distasteful yes but not a crime.
and under oath..... by saying that it never happened,
Now this is a crime, but perjury charges are rarely pursued when its a civil case.
and also then separately paying off Paula Jones $850 000 which involves nearly 7 times as much money as Trump paid, to get rid of a sexual harassment claim against him also, whilst he was still president..... but no charges were put forward.
Wasn't a pay off, it was a settlement. There was no charges put forward against Clinton by Jones because she dropped the lawsuit against him because of the settlement. The details of which are public knowledge.
If people cannot now start seeing the farce that this Trump trial was and still is, then nothing will.
Stop accepting everything Trump defenders tell you at face value. When you hear claims like above, look up the full details.
Stav
"The differences between the two cases, is that the offense committed by the Obama campaign was unintentional and something they tried to correct in real time, where as Trump's offenses where criminal in nature. You can look up the differences with a quick google search."
Please tell me what evidence you have of the crimes committed by Trump. I just must remind you there is no law in the USA as to hush money practised and paid regularly on huge numbers of cases.
"I find it interesting you brought this up again when you admitted you didn't know the full details of both cases in a previous post"
What is so interesting about it....., I still don't know everything about all the cases......and neither do you.....I am just trying to debate the topic..... simple...... so stop being so bloody melodramatic....if you don't want to get involved in the discussion, don't, move on.
"The differences between the two cases, is that the offense committed by the Obama campaign was unintentional and something they tried to correct in real time..."
Absolute rubbish, they were only reactive to this complaint....and were never proactive..... they acted only when it was reported, which was quite a bit later It was only after the Federal Election Committee raised these various concerns involving $1.8 million that action was taken, quite a while after the contributions were made.....nothing ever happened in "Real Time" ...
"the offense committed by the Obama campaign was unintentional"
Of course it was... but ...mmmmm .... it was only after the Federal Election Committee reported these many excess financial contributions that exceeded legal limits, that they decided to refund these excess contributions....and of course you just don't notice $1.8 million in extra free funds...
"A politician lying to the public...well I never. Distasteful yes but not a crime"
Lol, yeah like showering with your daughter.... your go to move....."not a crime"
"Now this is a crime, but perjury charges are rarely pursued when its a civil case"
Of course, unless your name is Trump
"Wasn't a pay off, it was a settlement"
A play with words, very convenient..... let's also call Trump's payment to Daniels a settlement.
"Stop accepting everything Trump defenders tell you at face value. When you hear claims like above, look up the full details"
I see you really enjoy constantly trying to tell people what to do......what a pity you continue to fail to take your own advice
DA
The excxuse for Biden destroying the USA by his site supporters will claim "it was not intentional".
Ag Mike, here's the thing
Do I think Trump is guilty of some of the charges that he has faced over the years..... yeah, most probably.....but nothing absolutely concrete has been provided as proof against him.....everything has been circumstantial, with sometimes no way to prove the intent behind whatever has already been discovered.
Is Trump a dick at times..... of course...... does he alienate people because of his bombastic narcissistic attitude.... damn straight he does.....do I like him...not really....... do I think he is better than Biden, absolutely.
However, it is the way that they have gone after Trump, since he was first elected, that really got my attention, and as one can see even now, it has got the attention of millions around the world now, so much so that even very recently there was a rally held for Trump in London.....which I am not sure has happened before......such is the distaste of the US legal system and how it is treating Trump.
Trump has got more support now, than he has ever had in his entire career, even from some very staunch anti republicans ....who voiced the exact same concerns that I raise here above.
I will never defend Trump to the extent that I think he is innocent, because I don't, and never will believe it.....but I also cannot accept how he is being treated and how the DOJ, FBI and various other high profile people and organizations have been weaponized by Biden and the Democrats, to try and sink Trump in any way possible.
What is so interesting about it....., I still don't know everything about all the cases......and neither do you.....I am just trying to debate the topic..... simple...... so stop being so bloody melodramatic....if you don't want to get involved in the discussion, don't, move on.
You're making these posts to present the narrative that how Trump is being treated compared to other politicians in the past is a double standard, but you freely admit you don't know the full story behind the Obama Campaign cause. Has it crossed your mind that maybe the full story might show the two cases are not equivalent. Also where was the melodrama?
Absolute rubbish, they were only reactive to this complaint....and were never proactive..... they acted only when it was reported. It was only after the Federal Election Committee raised these various concerns involving $1.8 million that action was taken.....nothing ever happened in "Real Time" ...
May I ask for a source on that? I've seen several legal experts going on record saying what happened was a relatively minor failure and the sort of errors people make when trying to do the right thing. The McCain campaign was also fined for similar mistakes but not to the same extent.
Of course it was... but ...mmmmm .... it was only after the Federal Election Committee reported these many excess financial contributions that exceeded legal limits, that they decided to refund these excess contributions....and of course you just don't notice $1.8 million in extra free funds...
Actually it was $1.9 million. But you might not notice it when your total campaign funding exceeds $1 billion. The money involved is huge money for most individuals but minor in terms of Presidential campaign spending. And the number of doners affected was also a drop in the ocean when there was a total of 3 million donators.
Lol, yeah like showering with your daughter.... your go to move....."not a crime"
I'm really sorry about this, but I don't make the laws in the US and neither do you. I dont' condone politicians lying, but seriously if lying was a crime that was punishable by law, then every politician in every country in the world would be in prison.
Of course, unless your name is Trump
Hang on has Trump been charged with perjury?
A play with words, very convenient..... let's also call Trump's payment to Daniels a settlement.
Hush money/ a pay off is something that's done to keep information out of the public sphere, a settlement is an entirely legal method of ending a lawsuit. Clinton didn't attempt to influence the course of an election by concealing information (he was already in his second term and wasn't running again) nor did he commit financial fraud to do so.
I see you really enjoy constantly trying to tell people what to do......what a pity you continue to fail to take your own advice
And you come on here acting like the other sides are fools and idiots for not seeing the world through your eyes then act all defensive when you got called out for the lack of substance in your arguments.
Franhkly Stav is delusional about everything concerning US A Governance and fall for the leftist media to use as arguments. The media lied for 4 years about collusion between Putin and Trump and when it came out they tried to find holes in the finding and continue their BS . I would not believe a word when media become the norm - yet brainwashed people who have not a single idea about what is going on depends and since they cannott hink for themselves fall back on BS spreading media to tell that what they may think..
"You're making these posts to present the narrative that how Trump is being treated compared to other politicians in the past is a double standard"
Because I believe there is ...
"May I ask for a source on that?"
"And you come on here acting like the other sides are fools and idiots for not seeing the world through your eyes then act all defensive when you got called out for the lack of substance in your arguments"
Lol.... look in the mirror dude.....
Anyone that thinks Trump is treated the same as presidents before him is delusional.
No?
Name one, just one, US president that was a) impeached on the basis of completely falsified "evidence" or b) had a three-year long mass media campaign orchestrated against him in which he was accused of being a foreign asset. If anyone thinks that CNN and their chums didn't know it was bullshit then I would worry about their ability to reason. Three years!!!?? You have to be kidding. And heaven forbid anyone ask the obviously pertinent question of WHY it happened.
One could use all the mental gymnastics you like but I've never seen anything like it in my lifetime and probably never will again. It was in your face propaganda, en masse, by US media and government institutions, against a sitting president.
And that's just to name two ways in which Trump was treated differently. The list is actually very long.
Because I believe there is ...
And I believe you're being taken for a ride. But I suppose its a ride you want to go on.
Obama
Thanks for that, though the document indicates that the Obama campaign had already refunded about a third of the $ 1,363,529 it had received in excess donations before the Commission investigation took place.
With regards the non reporting of 1,266 donations in excess of $1,000 within 48 hours, that document you linked doesn't indicate there was no attempts in real time to correctly report these, only that there was failure to report then within the 48 hour window required and of those 1,266 donations 711 had the wrong date on then, with the listed date given as to when the money was transferred into Obama's main campaign fund (OFA/ Obama for American) from another fund (OVF/ Obama Victory Fund) when the date given should of been when the donations where first given (i.e to OVF)
So here are some differences between Trump case and Obama's Campaign case.
There is no indication Obama was directly involved in any of the issues raised by the FEC and There is no indication that the Obama campaign intentionally misreported donations.
Lol.... look in the mirror dude.....
Maybe stop making posts about double standards that demonstrate your own double standards.
keep going Stava, you are one of 4 posters I enjoy reading.
You lot are all dumb and excessively BS orientated. Stav claimed Trump was involved in cim inal activitiy and then did nto know what law Trump broke. Nobody knows what law was broken and that kind of BS will not be tolerated by Federal Courts on appeal. Whatsoever happened - the fact is that what happened was co-ordinated by Biden's WH legal advisors and is aprt of the effort to undemine Biden's election campaign and has fuck all to do with breaking of laws other than an attack on the Constitution of the USA by a Presidency that are regarded by most USA voters as a source of their suffefing and which has no defense for the way they are undermining the poor and working classes.
Using the FBI and Justice Department to fight elections are not going to be tolerated by any responsible Judges and the damage done will lead to cover Trump's lega costs and in view of the fake charges wil have dire consequences for th e lawyers and judges invovled - theyw ill be scrapped as judicial functionaries and banned from practising law in the USA - they amy even eb ch arged to pay for th e costs of Trump - like Daniels already were. S h e was tld to cover $500 000 to Trump fir his legal expenses because she could nto prove th at her allegations ag aint him was true and then swore publicly that she will not pay him a cent. In normal circumstances it would elad to her being charged with a crime - buit not in the Biden USA - because Justice has been gutted.
If none of the site members who go bananas about this issue to tell us what law Trump broke a fiurther discussion will be possible. Until then whatever you lot come up with is just total BS from a lying media.
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"And I believe you're being taken for a ride. But I suppose its a ride you want to go on"
The irony ....... again, look in the mirror dude....
I'm not too concerned with what you believe....I have my own opinion.....and you can suppose as much as you want to.
"Maybe stop making posts about double standards that demonstrate your own double standards."
You just cannot see the wood for the trees....
"that document you linked doesn't indicate there was no attempts in real time to correctly report these, only that there was failure to report then within the 48 hour window required"
Now I get what Mozart was referring to the other day regarding your basic comprehension skills.... I really do get why he posted that.
The report I linked to very clearly and also on multiple occasions references the fact that Obama failed to refund, redesignate, or reattribute the funds, within the stipulated legal 60 day period.
Here is the finding of the FEC.... verbatim ....
"The commission found reason to believe that Respondents violated 2 U.S.C 441a of the Federal Election Campaign act of 1971, as amended (The Act) by accepting contributions in excess of the limits applicable to the 2008 presidential election that were not resolved through refund, redesignation, reattribution within the 60 day period permitted under the act"
Where a committee receives an excessive contribution, the Commission's regulations give the committee 60 days from the date of receipt to identify and resolve the excessive contribution via refund, redesignation or reattribution of the excessive amount.
From 2007 to 2008 OFA accepted a total of $1 363 529 in contributions that exceeded the limits set forth in 2 U.S.C 441a(a)(1)(A) and that were not resolved through refund, redesignation or reattrribution within 60 days of receipt as permitted under the act"
Now you tell me Stav, where you don't see the problem here.....and where your statement as I originally said, is absolutely rubbish.
Lastly .... also verbatim from the FEC outcome
"In the interest of resolving this matter promptly, Respondents admit the following:
1 . Respondents violated 2 U.S.C 441a (f) and 11 C.F.R 103.3 (3),110.1(b) by accepting $1 363 529 in excessive contributions, which they failed to refund, redesignate, or reattribute within 60 days of receipt, as required by the act.
2 . Respondents violated 2 U.S.C 434(b) and 11 C.F.R 102.17(c) 104.3(a)(3) by misreporting the original date of receipt for contributions receive through OVF
As you yourself recently said here to me ......"When you hear claims like above, look up the full details"
Real time resolutions my ass
As I said numerous times already ..... look in the mirror dude, and try taking your own advice
"One could use all the mental gymnastics you like but I've never seen anything like it in my lifetime and probably never will again. It was in your face propaganda, en masse, by US media and government institutions, against a sitting president.
And that's just to name two ways in which Trump was treated differently. The list is actually very long."
Spot on Plum
Just imagine if Trump had done what Clinton or Obama have previously done as referred to above....
I am still waiting for the dolts to tell me what crime Trump committed in the two New York trials and that has never been responded to. A little bit of thinking and not believing in media BS will not help them, Until any of the memebr who participated can enlighten us and state what crimne Trump committed any discussion on site will be useless.
So come on dolts - tell us what crime Trump actually committed.
Well Mike
According to Stav ..... if you don't acknowledge or admit to something that happened a few weeks, months or even years ago, and you only decide to try and resolve the issue when it is reported to you...... that is apparently "Real Time"
On January 6th
Donald Trump tweeted to be law abiding during the January 6th Capitol riots at 2:38 PM EST.
In his tweet, he said: "Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!"
Later, at 3:13 PM EST, he tweeted: "I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order – respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!"
Now Stav..... this is a very clear and concise example of what "Real Time" is
https://www.justsecurity.org/91904/dissecting-trumps-peacefully-and-patriotically-defense-of-the-january-6th-attack/
The January 6th Select Committee found that the words “peacefully and patriotically” were drafted by Trump’s speechwriters – not Trump. Those two words were also completely at odds with the rest of Trump’s highly inflammatory remarks, during which he retold multiple lies about the election and directed the crowd’s anger at Vice President Pence and lawmakers. While Trump uttered the word “peacefully” just one time during his speech, which lasted more than an hour, he used variations of the word “fight” 20 times. That was Trump’s authentic voice. Though Trump knew the assembled crowd was “angry,” he ad-libbed the word “fight” on approximately 18 occasions. Trump also personally added multiple incendiary lines, including this one:
“We fight like Hell and if you don’t fight like Hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”
Not really sure at all what your point is here blob
I am illustrating what "Real Time" action actually is... that Stav keeps referencing in his posts
Trump sent those two messages that I quoted above, to his 88 million followers on Twitter at the time, whilst the January 6th riot was actually happening live on national television
That is "Real Time" action ...... not weeks, months or years after it happened.
Simple really
Remember when Biden personally and very clearly stated to the public that 50 former intelligence people had told him that the Hunter laptop was a "plant" by the Russian government.
He then also proceeded to say that 5 former heads of the CIA, from both parties, also said that the laptop was not Hunters.....
Then the truth finally came out ....it's a bloody farce
None is so blind than those who will not see.....
Now I get what Mozart was referring to the other day regarding your basic comprehension skills.... I really do get why he posted that.
I love it. You say I have an issue with basic comprehension in the very post where you show your lack of basic comprehension skills.
The report I linked to very clearly and also on multiple occasions references the fact that Obama failed to refund, redesignate, or reattribute the funds, within the stipulated legal 60 day period.
Here is the finding of the FEC.... verbatim ....
Yes when it comes to excess donations over $2300.
But when I said "that document you linked doesn't indicate there was no attempts in real time to correctly report these, only that there was failure to report then within the 48 hour window required" I was clearly referring to the 1,266 cases of donations not being reported in the required 48 hours. These where not excess donations, so there was no requirement to refund, redesignate or reattribute the funds.
Now you tell me Stav, where you don't see the problem here.....and where your statement as I originally said, is absolutely rubbish.
Lastly .... also verbatim from the FEC outcome
LOL you're so sure you got me bad here, but all your doing is doubling down on your own lack of comprehension.
I am illustrating what "Real Time" action actually is... that Stav keeps referencing in his posts
ROFL, "keeps referencing", I had used the term twice and one of them was in a response to your post.
Okay look I'll break this down for you as simply as I can.
Firstly in the case where the Obama For America campaign did not report 1,266 donations over $1,000 within the required 48 hours, we don't know exactly when these donations were actually reported. It could of be mere minutes, days, weeks, months or years after the 48 hour period. The document you linked too doesn't indicate when they were reported.
711 of these donations appear to have the wrong donation date. The donation date given for these 711 donations was when these donations where transferred from one campaign fund to another when they should have been reported when they where first donated. The document doesn't indicate whether the Obama for America campaign was aware of this mistake or if it took any action to correct it.
Now the Obama campaign in 2008 in total took in over 3 million individual donations. Granted many of these would of been before the requirement to report them within 48 hours (i.e if the donations where over $1,000 and made within 20 days of the election) but in the context of the volume of donations the Obama campaign was receiving it appears they where genuinely trying to comply with election requirements and for the vast majority of cases they did. At not point did the FEC accuse them of deliberately misreporting donation.
On to the issue of excess payments. So the FEC concluded from the files submitted to them by the Obama campaign that Obama campaign failed to refund $1,363,529 worth of excess donations within the required 60 day period. They had though refunded $489,616 of that before the FEC started its investigation, but we don't have an exact date for when that was refunded only it was after the 60 day requirement and before the investigation which began 4 years later. They still had to refund $873,913 by the time of FEC issued that document. By all mean's you care fairly criticise the Obama campaign for this failure.
But what you're failing to comprehend is that documents doesn't give any indication how many excess donations the Obama campaign did successfully refund in the required 60 day period. The FEC report looks into campaign violations and doesn't list all the times where a campaign was compliant. For all we know the the Obama campaign could have been compliant with that requirement 90% of the time. We simply don't know. That's why you can't say the document proves the Obama campaign was not trying to correct issues in real time. All it proves is that the failed in their requirements some of the time.
Now if you want to talk about double standards. Care to explain why John McCain was treated the exact same for similar violations.
https://rollcall.com/2013/08/17/fec-fines-mccain-presidential-campaign-80000/
How come you missed that, did the Trump supporters who are punishing this narrative of double standards omit this little detail?
So just think about if for a moment.
There is no indications that the violations in the Obama 2008 campaign were intentional. There is no indications that donations where misspent or anyone in the campaign made of with any of the donations. There was no indication the Obama campaign conceal information about donations. Obama himself was not directly involved in the campaign violations. John McCain's campaign was treated similarly for the same offences. The overall general consensus from legal experts is that violations coming from the Obama 2008 campaign were indicative of a campaign that was genuinely trying to compile with reporting requirement, for the most part was compliant and that the violation appear to be simply genuine mistakes. The FEC themselves never accused either campaign of intentional violations.
This compares to Trump who was personally found guilty of deliberately committing financial fraud in order for him to unduly influence the 2016 election.
There is no comparison between the two situations.
Stav
You, must be the most stupid politically of anybody making contribujtioons on site. You have one idea and what happens in respect to Obama and Clinton was just unintentiinal mistakes made by the Democrats and legally in both cases they were foind to be guilty of an Election offence. The Federal Election Committee found both guilty of contravention of the law and fined them bcause they contravened the Law.
In the case of Trump the Election Committeee reviewed the issue and could not find any evidence that Tump broke any law in 2016 and throw out the case. The Federal Electiion Committe has the sole lawful role to play in F ederal Elections - nobody else has any legalc competence in this case. The FEC has two options - they can refer the matter to the Justice Department for prosecution or they can fine the two candidates for transgressions. They did fine Obama and Clinton and they had to pay up or appeal the ruling - an they did not.
The New York State Coiurt has ZERO say on federal elections and the fake case in New York by the state DA is BS concocted by the Biden WH. Why was this case not laid in the 2020 election and why was it only laid after Trump announced his candidacy in 2023, Fact is the charge was made only in January 2024 - after a proven meeting between the Biden legal advisors in the WH wih Justice Department officials and DA of New York took place. There is enouigh proof that that meeting took place and during that meeting it was decided to lay the charges. They knew it had no chance o success - but believe it would be of vcalue as propaganda in the election campaign. So now the Judge delayed his verdict by a Month so that appeals would be delayed untill after the Novembr election.
What the DA and his WH assistants did is fraudulent.and they can end up in big shit if the fake charges are dealt with by the Justice Department after Trump wins the election. All the legal people invovled and the Judge will get fucked by the finger of fate when that happened. They are bargaining on the leftists winning the election and Biden remain the puppet President. A long string of lawbreakers will then face the music. So what will the bastardi do next which I suppose you will support that one - the other is start WW3 or the second one is to assassinate Trump. I suppose you will defend that stategy as well.
Hey Draad isn't the part where you step in and yellow card Mike for attacking the person not the post?
???...I never yellow card Maaik for anything...for a good reason....
Stav, how many 80-odd-year-ods do you know?
???...I never yellow card Maaik for anything...for a good reason....
Stav you are trying to wiggle out of he whole issue by imlplying that any wrong s of the Demcorats are always "unintentional"- in any legal terms it is BS, Lawbreaking is exactly what the word means - when a murder is unintentional the murderer is charge with manslaughter - but even then the breaker will still end up in jail. Unlike yoiu I do not use prejudice when dealing with issues - neither media brainwashing in your case removing any ability to think for yourslf.
I do real research to find out what si really happening and think carefully about what is really going on.
Just as an aside the Federal Eletion Committee found Obama and Cliton guilty of Election Law breaking and fined them on that basis. You still have not answered - what LAW did Trump break in the NY kangaroo court trial?.
"BOOO.....I call double standards."
Wrong call...but at least I've got standards...
Wrong call...but at least I've got standards...
We will agree to disagree.
You, may be thankful for the fac that at least I write proven facts and you, write media shit on site. None of your statements and stories are anything bar BS caused by brainwashing by the leftist media. .
ouMaaik , 51446 posts ............ sources revealed approx 11 or 12 times ( & I'm being kind)
probably closer to 7 or 8.
I differ from you lot like most of the USA voters according to believe in opinion polls. You do not believe in democracy and support a crooked bastard who is a threat to DEMOCRACY by the name of Joe Biden - who use banana republic and dictatorial regime tactics by layiing fake charges against opponents and used the FBI to investigate and intimidate opponents - the FIS Court found illegal investigation of 278 000 people by the FBI alone.
His Justice Department used the Police and arrested 1100 people trespassing in the Capitol and accuse them of staging an insurrection. Knowing it is BS they refuse to allow bail being granted to the arrestees and would not take them to court and charge them with insurrection and only when intimidated and mistreated arrestees admit guilt to the BS they would lay it before court and then it was not necessary to produce any evidence supporting their BS Insurrection claim. The Court in that case was as crooked as Bragg and found the people guilty. They then gave them sentences to cover the period they were illegally held in jail and most were released within a month after being charged in the court - a move to get past the judicial system as provided for in the US Constitution and normal jurisprudence pocedures in the USA.
There are still about 300 people held in jail because they refuse to admit guilt to something that never happened.
You should be ashamed to support the banana republic and dictatorship tactics used by the present Regime to remain in control of the USA. If Biden is not removed from the Presidency in the election in November 2024 in four years time the dictatorship in the USA will be irreversable and the country would deteriorate even further than they deteriorated since 2021.
Your support for Russia's ample proof you don't give a fck about democracy.
BB
You are a fucking liar again - I do not support Russia and never did. From teh start of the ar I always supported a negotiated settlement o the Ukraine issue. What irked me is th at the USA sabotage all efforts t prevent and stiop h e war and that is based on he massive corruption invovled in the system. After the Afghanistan disaster the armaments indutry in the USA face decline in production - so other wars are essential to their survival. All that happens in reality is kickbacks to politicians and bureaucrats that keeps wars going.
None of the aid money provided to Ukraine is ever audited - neither are the US Defense Department - leaving windows wide open for bribery and corruption. The expenses of the US Defense Department has not beaen audited since 2003 and companies like Haliburton - controlled by the Cheyne's - are an example of bribery and corruption on an endless basis as contractors they were invovled in Afghanistan and are still inviolved in the Ukraine War with their operatiions being in Poland. So the bribery is not limited to Democrats only - there are also some Republcians involved in that BS - like Romney and a few other Senators as well. In the meantime the reipients are building palatial homes in the Washington suburbs by the dozen.
Biden being corrupt as well oppose all moves by anybody initiating any peace efforts through negotiation.
So back to my view from the start oif the Civil War in Ukraine in 2014 and since the invasion of Ukraine by Russia in 2022 - peace negotiations should have started before 2022 and was in fact signed by both Zelenskyy and Putin and sabotaged by the USA.
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Well, well, well.
The Judge in this case has just issued a post to both the defence and the prosecution about the possibility of this case falling flat on its face due to one of the Demorat jurors advising a relative that President Trump will be found guilty on all charges a day prior to the verdict being decided.
Can't beat it now can you?
The corruption and total disregard for justice in New York for one is criminal and will result in a mistrial being ordered and the verdict against President Trump being withdrawn.
One more win for President Trump.
Sorry you anti Trumpers but you folks sure are a bunch of losers.
FOUR MORE YEARS....................
51446 posts Shitorys
Well, well, well.
The Judge in this case has just issued a post to both the defence and the prosecution about the possibility of this cas falling flat on its face due to one of the Demorat jurors advising a relative that President Trump will be found guilty on all charges a day prior to the verdict being decided.
Can't beat it now can you?
The corruption and total disregard for justice in New York for one is criminal and will result in a mistrial being ordered and the verdict against President Trump being withdrawn.
One more win for President Trump.
Sorry you anti Trumpers but you folks sure are a bunch of losers.
FOUR MORE YEARS....................
LOL, love the way you haven't waited for this story to be verified before going on about corruption and the disregard for justice.
The person who made this claim on social made is a known troll, with his profile bio listing himself as a "shit poster".
Why I have a feeling this claim will lead absolutely nowhere.
Any true or false question starts with a 50% chance of being right or wrong.
Trump was going to be found either guilty or innocent. So if someone posted the day before about the verdict, they had a 50% chance of being right.
DumbMike speaks about Democracy, all while he is a Putin sycophant.
Putin will soon have been in power longer than Stalin. He has killed his political opponents or exiled them. He expanded the term limit so he can stay in power - despite the Russian constitution having term limits.
Reported by CNN as well as MSNBC and Fox.
The person who blogged the verdict was related to a juror for your info Rear-end.
You A-holes cannot accept the corruption and criminal action associated by DUMB rear- ends in everything you say, blog and live daily.
FOUR MORE YEARS.
Get with it you lefty goofers.
Reported by CNN as well as MSNBC and Fox.
The person who blogged the verdict was related to a juror for your info Rear-end.
Reported doesn't mean verified. Christ all mighty.
What a poor comeback.
You sound like one of the Bidens.
The one who are not able to communicate at all ba when he has a note on what he may say and what he may not say. .
"Stav you are trying to wiggle out of he whole issue by imlplying that any wrong s of the Demcorats are always "unintentional"- in any legal terms it is BS"
Correct Mike, it is his go to phrase these days..... well....to be fair....he does have a few recent ones ... like "real time", lol
I think Bill Clinton also finally admitted in "real time" to sleeping with Monica.... you know.... after first denying it to the world, many times, for 7 months.....but eventually getting caught out and finally coming clean.
Looking through his posts...everything Trump does seems to be intentional in Stav's eyes, Trump's intent can apparently always be conclusively proven........and everything Clinton, Obama and Biden and other Dems have done, is not "intentional" at all..... just mere speculation ...
Or, like his response to Biden showering with his daughter...... well .... "it's not a crime"
Same as this below.....
I am sure Stav will also say that Biden did not "intentionally" make this statement either....LMFAO
"Remember when Biden personally and very clearly stated to the public that 50 former intelligence people had told him that the Hunter laptop was a "plant" by the Russian government.
He then also proceeded to say that 5 former heads of the CIA, from both parties, also said that the laptop was not Hunters....."
This was most probably also not at all intentional.....
Yeah.... pull the other one ...
with his profile bio listing himself as a "shit poster"
There you go, it's Mike.
Whenever the lefties call me a shit poster it means they have nothing they can prove to support their BS.
Lets give an example Biden was found by the House to have at least 25 shelf companies registered, but never involved in operaion of any functioing. When the Biden's got pay-offs the money flows the bribes going into the bank account of on of th e companies and from there it was laundered to the Biden family members. The banks got suspicious of the money laundering and sent reports on the transfers to the FBI - who did not do anything about it. After that in the House Hearings it also came out that Joe Biden used a code name when sending instructions to Hunter on "business issues". The House found evidence given under oath that there were $40 million involved in the Biden bribe money landering operations.
So the above illegal money laundering operations is not intentional as well,
There is one thing that baffles me of the Hunter Biden story. He is a confirmed druggie and people will not negotiate any real business deals with him. It all aims at Daddy approving any request from the bribers if the payment is in line with Joe Biden's requirements.
Is that also not "intentional".
Correct Mike, it is his go to phrase these days..... well....to be fair....he does have a few recent ones ... like "real time", lol
Oh dear...nothing is more a damning indictment of ones position when they make a post agreeing with Mike of all people.
I think Bill Clinton also finally admitted in "real time" to sleeping with Monica.... you know.... after first denying it to the world, many times, for 7 months.....but eventually getting caught out and finally coming clean.
You can put real time in italics and in quote marks to your little hearts content all you want. Its actually quite amusing.
Looking through his posts...everything Trump does seems to be intentional in Stav's eyes,
And you accept every counter narrative pro Trump supporters throw out regardless if the claims have any evidence behind them.
Trump's intent can apparently always be conclusively proven.
You mean proven in various civil and criminal courts right?
and everything Clinton, Obama and Biden and other Dems have done, is not "intentional" at all..... just mere speculation ...
When it comes to the handling of classified documents/information for Clinton, Biden and Trump there is one massive difference. Trump didn't co-operate in returning the files. If he just gave up the damn documents at the start when he was originally asked for them he would of been treated the same as Clinton an Biden. A simple slap on the wrist with a stern telling off that he shouldn't have done that and sure the democrats would of made political capital out of it, but there would have no be criminal investigation. But no he went out of his way to obstruct the recovery of the documents as difficult as possible. Biden and Clinton fully co-operated. Now please don't insult anyone's intelligence here by pretending that's not the reason Trump is in legal trouble over retaining classified documents and the clear difference between Biden/Clinton and Trump.
But we know where this is going, you're going pull another out another pro Trump counter narrative that has no supporting evidence that the FBI mishandled the investigation or the democrats where behind the FBI's action. And no token posts about not liking Trump or saying he's probably guilty of something in a vague manner does not fool anyone into thinking you're being impartial on the matter.
As for Obama's 2008 election campaign fund violations. There is no evidence presented that the any of the violations where done intentionally and there is no indications Obama was directly involved in all of the violations. McCain's 2008 campaign committed similar violations and was treated the same way.
Trump on the other hand was personally found guilty in a criminal court of intentionally committing fraud to unlawfully influence the 2016 election.
Or, like his response to Biden showering with his daughter...... well .... "it's not a crime"
Umm...it's not.
Same as this below.....
I am sure Stav will also say that Biden did not "intentionally" make this statement either....LMFAO
If you want to say Biden said that intentionally sure knock yourself out in my view it was most likely intentionally given the context of the quote occurring in a Presidential debate. How he phrased it particularly in using the word "plant" does not give an accurate representation of what those 50 former intelligence agents said. Likewise he also misrepresented what the 5 former CIA head's said in saying they said it was a bunch of garbage (referring to the laptop).
The 50 intelligence agents did raise concerns that the way the laptop surfaced bared a lot of the hallmarks of a Russian disinformation operation, but they never claimed to have verified if the laptop and its content was legit or not. To this day, they still stand by that assessment.
So by all mean's go ahead and criticize Biden on that one, it was a clear misrepresentation,
‘ If he just gave up the damn documents at the start when he was originally asked for them he would have been treated the same as Clinton an Biden.’
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Are you saying the treatment of Trump has been the same as other Presidents. Do you really believe if he gave back documents that would have ended it?
Stav
What documents did Trump have to provide? There were claims from Cohen that the Trump delegated representatives approved for payment and since hush money payments is not illegal in the USA - the Election Committee would not act on it anyway.
When Trump wanted to call the previous Chairman of the Election Committee to explain to them what is legal pertaining to the Election Law and what is illegal - the Judge did not allow him to explain the legal situation in court. That alone shows what BS the Judge is guilty of. The other farce was the Judge telling the jury not to get imvolved in dtermining the law Trump broke and the Judge told the Jury to find Trump guilty without taking into accout the issue of which law Trump broke.
So the Court were not allowed to consider of what law was in question here and you do not know what law Trump broke. Nobody knows what law was broiken and your sources did not tell you either, So your excuse that Trump should have providd the documents to the Election Committee is really funny. The Election Committee investigated the case fully based on complaints from Clinton and the Democrats and had all the documents pertaining to the issue then and threw out the case because the Election Law qwas not broken.
By th way - has your sources said ever what Law Trump broke? I watched CNN to hear their comments and not one came up with the answer.
So tell us please - what law did Trump break? .
Condition
"When it comes to the handling of classified documents/information for Clinton, Biden and Trump there is one massive difference. Trump didn't co-operate in returning the files. If he just gave up the damn documents at the start when he was originally asked for them he would of been treated the same as Clinton an Biden. A simple slap on the wrist with a stern telling off that he shouldn't have done that and sure the democrats would of made political capital out of it, but there would have no be criminal investigation. But no he went out of his way to obstruct the recovery of the documents as difficult as possible. Biden and Clinton fully co-operated. Now please don't insult anyone's intelligence here by pretending that's not the reason Trump is in legal trouble over retaining classified documents and the clear difference between Biden/Clinton and Trump."
Where did you get that BS from? Not a singl sentence above is even remotely true. So source please
Condition
"When it comes to the handling of classified documents/information for Clinton, Biden and Trump there is one massive difference. Trump didn't co-operate in returning the files. If he just gave up the damn documents at the start when he was originally asked for them he would of been treated the same as Clinton an Biden. A simple slap on the wrist with a stern telling off that he shouldn't have done that and sure the democrats would of made political capital out of it, but there would have no be criminal investigation. But no he went out of his way to obstruct the recovery of the documents as difficult as possible. Biden and Clinton fully co-operated. Now please don't insult anyone's intelligence here by pretending that's not the reason Trump is in legal trouble over retaining classified documents and the clear difference between Biden/Clinton and Trump."
Where did you get that BS from? Not a singl sentence above is even remotely true. So source please
"You can put real time in italics and in quote marks to your little hearts content all you want. Its actually quite amusing"
Actually... what really is amusing is you having to say sorry to Becs in the other thread, because as per the usual Stav tactics, you just assume way too much about people, without knowing the real facts....it's quite a bad habit of yours.
"Oh dear...nothing is more a damning indictment of ones position when they make a post agreeing with Mike of all people"
Ridicule Mike as much as you want, but he is not the only one who has picked up your blatant bias from your posts.... it's clear as mud to a lot of posters on here.
"And you accept every counter narrative pro Trump supporters throw out regardless if the claims have any evidence behind them"
What did I just say ..... more assumptions
"So by all mean's go ahead and criticize Biden on that one, it was a clear misrepresentation"
Lol...absolute bloody bollocks
"Are you saying the treatment of Trump has been the same as other Presidents. Do you really believe if he gave back documents that would have ended it?"
It seems he does do Moz, because it seems according to Stav, that everything Trump does, is Trump's fault, it is an intentional action on his behalf that creates the issues that he faces all the time
However, Biden, Clinton or Obama never intentionally do or did anything wrong, whatever they did, it was either unintentional, legal, or misrepresented.... what a joke.
What about Clinton lying to the American people in the most convincing way….with the First Lady who surely must have known it was a lie, nodding next to him. Did that disqualify her from anything.
Yeah, just imagine if Trump was faced with the same charges of obstruction of justice, and perjury..... after lying under oath......he would have correctly been removed from office, as should have happened to Bill Clinton.
There were concerns at the time that they would be setting a precedent for future impeachments, with many fearing that removing a sitting president for lying about a personal matter, could open the floodgates for politically motivated impeachments, undermining the stability of the presidency and the democratic process.....
Sheeesh, that all sounds too familiar.....
"Are you saying the treatment of Trump has been the same as other Presidents. "
'.....in terms of poor behaviour....'
He instigated the J6 riot and that alone singles him out from any other POTUS.
Are you saying the treatment of Trump has been the same as other Presidents. Do you really believe if he gave back documents that would have ended it?
Yes I don't believe Trump would now be facing criminal charges if had he co-operated in returning them.
Actually... what really is amusing is you having to say sorry to Becs in the other thread, because as per the usual Stav tactics, you just assume way too much about people, without knowing the real facts....it's quite a bad habit of yours. 
I guess I was a bit too subtle with the sarcasm there.
Ridicule Mike as much as you want, but he is not the only one who has picked up your blatant bias from your posts.... it's clear as mud to a lot of posters on here.
Wasn't Mike I was ridiculing there. Everyone has biases to a certain degree. I'm curious looking at all your posts including some of the latest stuff about Pelosi and Fauci, where do you see yourself on the political spectrum?
What did I just say ..... more assumptions
I notice your ignoring my points about Obama not being directly implicated in the 2008 campaign violations where as Trump was personally found guilty of committing fraud to unlawfully influence the 2016 election. I also notice you have said nothing about how Obama and McCain where treated pretty much identically on that matter. What is that too embarrassing for you to acknowledge because that completely undermines the bullshit right wing false equiveillance narrative you have been mindlessly regurgitating.
Lol...absolute bloody bollocks
Lol...you have issues with me agreeing with you?
It seems he does do Moz, because it seems according to Stav, that everything Trump does, is Trump's fault, it is an intentional action on his behalf that creates the issues that he faces all the time
Stop with the clown act. Some yes or no answers. Was Trump found guilty in a civil case of sexual assaulting E Jean Carrol?. Was Trump found twice guilty in a civil court of defaming E Jean Carrol?. Was Trump found guilty in a criminal court of committing fraud to illegally influence the 2016 election? Did Trump co-operate with the relevant authorities when they sought the return of classified documents he had retained?
However, Biden, Clinton or Obama never intentionally do or did anything wrong, whatever they did, it was either unintentional, legal, or misrepresented.... what a joke.
I never said those three never did anything intentionally wrong. In the case of Obama's 2008 campaign violations, he wasn't' directly involved and the FEC never claimed the campaign violations where intentionally. Regarding the classified documents situation with Biden and Clinton and Trump the issue isn't that they kept the files intentionally, its a question of what they intended to do with those files and a question of how they reacted when the relevant authorities sought to get those documents returned.
But yeah keep posting absolute brainless shite right wing narratives about Fauci lying (f**k me, Fauci should be charged with crimes against humanity had me in stitches laughing) or Pelosi being the person we should be focusing on regarding January 6th and then have the gall to talk about other peoples bias.
Yeah, just imagine if Trump was faced with the same charges of obstruction of justice, and perjury..... after lying under oath......he would have correctly been removed from office, as should have happened to Bill Clinton.
No he wouldn't because no one would of given a f**k about him lying about adultery in a civil court where perjury charges are almost never sought.
There were concerns at the time that they would be setting a precedent for future impeachments, with many fearing that removing a sitting president for lying about a personal matter, could open the floodgates for politically motivated impeachments, undermining the stability of the presidency and the democratic process.....
Sheeesh, that all sounds too familiar.....
Like the way Republicans are trying to impeach Biden now?
"I guess I was a bit too subtle with the sarcasm there"
Oops .... I guess I was as well
"Wasn't Mike I was ridiculing there"
Stop the bullshit man..... you don't usually go this route....
"I'm curious looking at all your posts including some of the latest stuff about Pelosi and Fauci, where do you see yourself on the political spectrum?"
No idea, don't really care at all....and why should it bother you or even matter?
"I notice your ignoring my points about Obama not being directly implicated in the 2008 campaign violations where as Trump was personally found guilty of committing fraud to unlawfully influence the 2016 election"
Because I am tired of your ...it was misrepresented, .... it was not intentional..... it was not illegal
"Stop with the clown act"
I will keep repeating this.... look in the mirror dude..... closely.
"But yeah keep posting absolute brainless shite right wing narratives about Fauci lying (f**k me, Fauci should be charged with crimes against humanity had me in stitches laughing) or Pelosi being the person we should be focusing on regarding January 6th and then have the gall to talk about other peoples bias"
Laugh as much as you want to, I really hope it tickles your tummy ......because both the issues I raised in those posts are factual.... and if they aren't, prove me wrong.
Who said Pelosi should be targeted or focused on from now?.... post anything I said in this regard.... anything at all that even remotely refers to that or infers that... in any small way at all....... all I did was post about the hypocrisy of what happened on that specific day regarding what Pelosi said and did, simple..... because she previously publicly denied any responsibility for being involved with deploying the national guard on that day at the capital riots.... but now admits responsibility on tape......but no... you, jumping to your normal bullshit assumptions, will say I said something else....... bloody liar
"No he wouldn't because no one would of given a f**k about him lying about adultery in a civil court where perjury charges are almost never sought."
Lol, of course they wouldn't ..... already the most investigated and targeted president in the history of the US.... pull the other one
Like the way Republicans are trying to impeach Biden now?
Lol, a bit late with this hey...
"But somehow we have posters here who think we should all be focusing on Pelosi for not realizing how far Trump's deranged supporters would go, right?"
Stooping really low here..... blatantly lying is not a trait I thought you had.
Oops .... I guess I was as well
To borrow one of your earlier quotes, pull the other one.
Stop the bullshit man..... you don't usually go this route....
Where is the bullshit... with Beeno not posting Mike is pretty much our most biased and dishonest poster on this forum with the worst track record for posting absolute tripe with almost no bearing on reality to the point that its impossible to take him seriously on any topic. So yes I will laugh when another poster agrees with Mike's assessment of another posters bias.
No idea, don't really care at all....and why should it bother you or even matter?
It doesn't bother me, just curiosity and I thought it relevant when your accusing me of bias.
Because I am tired of your ...it was misrepresented, .... it was not intentional..... it was not illegal
LOL and I'm tired of you mindlessly repeating right wing narratives of double standards and posting misrepresentations. And yes things like intentionality do matter in certain situations. For example accidentally killing someone or manslaughter has a different set of consequences from intentionally murdering someone, or making a mistake on your tax returns has different consequences from deliberately committing fraud. And yes legality matters, there needs to be an actual crime committed for someone to face criminal charges. Even a child understands this.
I will keep repeating this.... look in the mirror dude..... closely.
Shock, you evade the question.
Laugh as much as you want to, I really hope it tickles your tummy ......because both the issues I raised in those posts are factual.... and if they aren't, prove me wrong.
Who said Pelosi should be targeted or focused on from now?.... post anything I said in this regard.... anything at all that even remotely refers to that or infers that... in any small way at all....... all I did was post about the hypocrisy of what happened on that specific day regarding what Pelosi said and did, simple..... because she previously publicly denied any responsibility for being involved with deploying the national guard on that day at the capital riots.... but now admits responsibility on tape......but no... you, jumping to your normal bullshit assumptions, will say I said something else....... bloody liar
Why is everything you post narratives that emanate from the right and far right of American politics.
With regards Fauci I long since stopped listening to people who attack him for lying as invariable its just the right wing in America lying and misrepresenting him and the scientific process to distract and provide a scapegoat from the Trump administrations incompetent handling of Covid 19 pandemic.
As for Pelosi and January 6th, I know there was this long debunked narrative that Pelosi "deliberately" prevented the deployment of the national guard on January 6th. What Pelosi said in that recording doesn't provide any evidence that she did. Only that she felt responsible for not have the national guard their in the first place before the rioting (as in she should of saw the potential for this riot to occur due to Trump's words and actions).
But again this is another case of false equivalence and distraction. The far greater issue is Trump repeatedly lied to supporters about election fraud. Trump incited the rioters that day either unintentionally or intentionally. To me its beyond dispute that the events of January 6th would have not had occurred but for Trump's action after the election. Pelosi shouldn't have to had been considering anything about the National Guard preventing a riot in the first place had Trump behaved responsibly after the election. All these shite conspiracies about Pelosi's actions or the rioters behind deliberately allowed to riot is just a smoke screen to protect Trump and give his supporters something to latch on too.
And yes I'm making assumptions about you due to the fact that pretty much everything you post comes from the right and hard right pro Trump side of American politics, your pushing the exact same narratives they do. You post the odd line critical of Trump here and their but the fact you felt compelled to start a thread about Pelosi's action on January 6th but nothing on Trump's far more grievous actions on January 6th tells me a lot about you.
Lol, of course they wouldn't ..... already the most investigated and targeted president in the history of the US.... pull the other one
Oh woe is poor old President Trump...the most victimised President since honest Abe. LOL
Lol, a bit late with this hey...
Yeah that's going nowhere.
Stooping really low here..... blatantly lying is not a trait I thought you had.
That's what the narrative is about. It's another cry of false equivalence and distraction. If you don't realize that then you really are being taking for a ride.
DA
You may not know but Pelosi is by a distacne th et House member i the USA. So how did she get that rich and are there any other House members invovled in criminality?
The fiorst source of wealth remains insider trading - in other words before some financial obligations or contracts by the US Congress is unde consideration and sure to eb approved - her husband are informed what shares are to be bought and he invested millions in the benefitting company shares. The latest effort was $10 million in Mircosoft a week before a R156 billion contract by the Defense force was awarded to Microsoft tio undertake an upgrading of their computerized system and $3 million in the musk company invovled in amnufature of electric driven cars in the USA from which the company would get massive grants, He favorite sidekick in corruption Adam Schiff was into that one as well.
So what has been proven was the following:-
Ukraine Corruption - Pelosi
In 2009 Pelosi's son Paul registered a private comapny in partnership with a Russian Oligarg from Moscow in California. Because of breaches the Company reigistration was cancelled so Paul Junior and his Russian partnerr from Moscow moved the rgistration of the company to Singapore and Opened a bank account in a Singaore branch of a bank.
After the coup in 2014 the Biden's gpt involved in Burisma - mainly in the field of oil and gas exploration Paul Pelosi and Partner entered the same field. Pelosi made a video in which she promoted the functioning of her son's company in similar activities in Ukraine. He even had a few veichicles and otther equipment used in succh exploration activities.
When the first allocation of $1 billion in foreign aid was made by the USA in 2014-15 was alloccated, the approval of allocation of funds was delegated to the US Ambassador in Kiev. Paul Junior used his mother's video to get money from the US Aid grant and got an approval of $25 million for his company operations and payment of the $25 million ended up in the Singapore bank account of the company and from there vanished into thin air - while the company operations in Ukraine ceased.
Schiff Operations
Schiff started his political career with hsi election expenses covered by Soros. That went on until 2014 when his eelction expenses was covered by a Ukraine oligarg Stepanek who operated a major arms manuffactoring company in Ukraine. Initially Obama banned arerms funding to Ukraine - but when it ended the military aid grant funding was paid over to the Ukraine Government and from there in the main went to Stepanek's companies.
So how did the rbibe ssystem work? Easy - Stepanek registered a subsidiary company i.n the USA on the Board of which two employees of Schiff served as Directors, So kickbacks went from Stepanek to the subsidiary company and for there went to Pelosi and Schiff.
When Trump refused to pay cash grants to Ukraine in 2019 and 2020 because of the corruption involved, both Pelosi and Schiff found their cash cows not being paid - especially after an announcement by Trump that the $1 billion in aid would be spent by buying arms in the USA and sending those to Ukraine.
It was the latter decision that led to the fake impechment charge against Trump in 2020.
Joint Pelosi and Schiff operation
When rthe Russians invaded Ukraine in 2020 Congress approved a grant in budgetary support of $1 billion. Three days later Pelosi and Sciff ended up in Ukraine and apaprantly pursuaded Zelenskyy to invest part of the grant in FTX - at that stage it was an invetment opportunity on the WEF website.
It turned out that at least part of the $1 billion grant was invested in FTX who provide election aid of $70 million in election aid to the DNC - making it the seciond biggest contributior to the Democratic Party mid-year election funding - the biggest funder was George Soros at $157 million.
When the FTX scandal broke out into the open - the FTX investment advisory page on the WEF website was removed and to this day nobody knows where the grant money went to. It si not clear how much of the $1 billion grant ended up being benefitted by Ukraine itslef and how much went astray in other corrupt activities by USA politicians and bureaucrats.
Instead of investigating it the Democrats and FBI refuse to invesigate what happened to aid grants to Ukraine and no audit on that was allowed to happen.
In normal democratic countries such conduct would be investigated by the authorities - in the USA present banana republic situation it is hushed up and not investigated because too many leading politicians would be implicated in corruption.
Duplication
"To borrow one of your earlier quotes, pull the other one."
I see you missed it again ..... too funny, lol
"It doesn't bother me"
Really.... well I am just ..... well... just flabbergasted .... my word... I couldn't tell.
Why is everything you post narratives that emanate from the right and far right of American politics.
With regards Fauci I long since stopped listening to people who attack him for lying as invariable its just the right wing in America lying and misrepresenting him and the scientific process to distract and provide a scapegoat from the Trump administrations incompetent handling of Covid 19 pandemic.
As for Pelosi and January 6th, I know there was this long debunked narrative that Pelosi "deliberately" prevented the deployment of the national guard on January 6th. What Pelosi said in that recording doesn't provide any evidence that she did. Only that she felt responsible for not have the national guard their in the first place before the rioting (as in she should of saw the potential for this riot to occur due to Trump's words and actions).
But again this is another case of false equivalence and distraction. The far greater issue is Trump repeatedly lied to supporters about election fraud. Trump incited the rioters that day either unintentionally or intentionally. To me its beyond dispute that the events of January 6th would have not had occurred but for Trump's action after the election. Pelosi shouldn't have to had been considering anything about the National Guard preventing a riot in the first place had Trump behaved responsibly after the election. All these shite conspiracies about Pelosi's actions or the rioters behind deliberately allowed to riot is just a smoke screen to protect Trump and give his supporters something to latch on too.
And yes I'm making assumptions about you due to the fact that pretty much everything you post comes from the right and hard right pro Trump side of American politics, your pushing the exact same narratives they do. You post the odd line critical of Trump here and their but the fact you felt compelled to start a thread about Pelosi's action on January 6th but nothing on Trump's far more grievous actions on January 6th tells me a lot about you.
Exactly the response I expected from you..... just more dribble..... so in other words, nowhere did I ever say, imply or even infer that the focus must now be solely on Nancy Pelosi for what transpired on the 6th January...... so just more long winded bullshit and lies from you.
"Only that she felt responsible for not have the national guard their in the first place before the rioting (as in she should of saw the potential for this riot to occur due to Trump's words and actions)."
"But again this is another case of false equivalence and distraction"
"Pelosi shouldn't have to had been considering anything about the National Guard preventing a riot in the first place"
Well hello ....I really thought you were smarter than this......Nancy Pelosi most definitely should have seen the potential for "this riot to occur", and of this, there is absolutely no shadow of a doubt in my mind....
There were various law enforcement agencies and security experts that had warned of potential violence based on the rhetoric and plans circulating on social media well before the election.
There were also smaller but similarly motivated incidents of violence and confrontations that had occurred weeks before leading up to January 6th, suggesting a risk of escalation.... so yes, she was monumentally stupid for not doing this, and especially not taking the Chief of Police for the capitol seriously when he repeatedly requested the national guard...
The FBI's Norfolk team had issued an internal report before the 6th January, warning of calls for violence and "war" at the capitol
The National Terrorism Advisory System also issued bulletins about possible domestic terrorism threats as well
The Capitol police themselves issued reports noting increased online threats highlighting concerns about the rally planned for the 6th January
The SITE Intelligence Group also shared concerns about potential actions on the 6th and shared this as well
ACLED also actually published reports on the heightened risk of political violence and unrest in the USA including specific and directed threats on the 6th January
The SPLC group also highlighted the mobilization of far-right and militia groups, noting their coordination and calls for action in Washington DC
So spare me the bullshit that Pelosi should or could not have had enough information and insight to actually put something in place to minimize or prevent the loss of lives .... you are now debating like a child here...
Whether with or without Trumps comments..... if you are warned about impending riots, "war" militia groups etc etc.... you act on it .... period..... stop sugar coating Pelosi's involvement in this.
Trump was at fault for flaming things up and inciting people with his posts and speeches, there is absolutely no doubt about that, he was reckless and stupid, but for you to say that Pelosi should or could not have anticipated anything at all happening or shouldn't have needed to consider anything regarding the safety of anyone at this event ..... or not known of any potential risks on this specific day.... is just downright stupid.
"To me its beyond dispute that the events of January 6th would have not had occurred but for Trump's action after the election"
Beyond dispute my ass ....
Trump was certainly reckless with some comments that he made, in fact he was downright stupid at times, but if the necessary people in place could not see what the potential was of something happening at the capitol on that day, especially given the already high volatile public atmosphere and also all the various different security organization's assessments and reports that were provided before the 6th January.....and put the national guard in place, then 9 people might still be alive today.
"That's what the narrative is about"
To be more precise, this is what your narrative is about...... stooping to just bullshit and lies now ......
Stav
Just a question - w here did you get the BS from you write on site. First of all even the legal advisor of CNN said the way the trial evidence of Daniels and Cohen was BS and stated that on TV as well. Most of the legal opinions on the New York cases were critical of what happened - whether they were from all sources - not only the so-called far right legal experts you claimed expressed opinions on the issue. What in fact happened is that opinion polls indicated Biden is a bigger threat to Democracy in the USA than Trump is - the poll was done midway through the Bragg case trial.
There were no lies froma anybody about Fauci. He was and ran for cover by lying about the gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Lab and was Trumps advisor on dealing with Covid until September 2020 - so Trump is getting blamed for failing to deal with Covid based on the advice he was given by Fauci, So further - what was the failures you blame Trump for?
In terms of the Constitution of the USA health si a State fuction and th e role of the central government is to rovide aid to States who ahd difficulties in handling the isue of Covid. Whjatever the vcarious State Governments requestedf was given by Trump. That was confirmed by Newsom as an example. The bigest bugger-ups happened in Democratic States like New York and Michigan where thousands of the elderly died when the nursing homes where they stay was flooded with Covid infected people and thousands died as a result of the pandemic they picked up in nursing homes.
Aside from the above Trump was pressing the relevant Committee dealing with new drugs to expedite their approval of the Covid vaccines - which representsed his second role in the pandemic itself after provision all the assistance requested by States in the form of additional funding.
The BS about Trumps handling of the apndemic started when Trump within a week from finding out that President Xi was lying to him about the pandemci impact to ban all travellers other than US citizens travelling from China to the USA of entering the country. Trump was promptly accused by the Demcorats and th e media of being a racist. When he banned travelling from Europe the Governor of New York held multi-ublic meetings to protest the ban and invited all travellers to New York publicly.
So how did Trump buggered up the handling of the Covid Pandemic - please provide us with real evidence as to what he has done wrong.
As to election fraud - in an opinion poll by various institutions - 1% of the voters nbeleive there was widespread election fraud by the Democrats in the 2020 election - and those stating that includes not only Republican Party members - but also Democrats and Independents. The only difference is that 18% of the participants in the pole stated that the fraud was not enough to change the election outcome. So lets consider the following as well:-
* The Demcorats never accepted the Bush win in 2000 and took the matter to teh Constitutional Court in the end.
* Clinton never accepted the 2016 elction and together with the Obama Adminsitration and the FBI and CIA started lies about Trump being a foreign agent and tried to get rid of him as President that way. The lies impacted on the Trump Adminsitration all the times eh was President. That is far more serious a unconstitutional attack on democracy than anything Trump did and what is going on now is totally unheard of ever in the history of the USA.
By the way in the case of 14 of he 23 cases laid by Trump as to election fraud by the Demcorats in States controlled by them the Courts ruled in favor of Trump - but the Democrats controlling the States ignored the rulings based on the election laws of the states involved. Th e fact is the rulings were ignored and the Biden Justice Department was to charge the States concerned with criminality in those cases. So try again - too many people in the USA thinks there were fraud in the 2020 election and I rather believe the opinion polls outcomes that shocked for instance NBC tan your emdia sources that you beleive in totally.
DA provided full details about what actually ahppened invovling Trump himself - days before the incidents on January 6 Trump phoned Pelosi and offered her the usage of the National Guard to protect the Capitol. That is a fact as well and was proven in teh House hearings under oath that the call was made and ignored by Pelosi. Trump also warned attendees of the meeting on 6 January that he would not prevent them to go tinto Washington to protest after themeeting - but in his speech eh also warned them to do nothing illegal during the protests - that was in hsi recorded speech as well.
In any event what ahppened was apart of charges laid by Smith against Trump - but the case is unravelling since there si noe vience that Trump ordered the meeting attendents not to do anything illegal why protesting - pointing out what happened in teh 2020 riots organized and funded by the Democrats three months earlier in US cities all over the country - when 46 people were murdered by rioters - 1200 policemen seriosuly injured through usage of guns and Molotov cocktails provided to the rioters on an organized basis - and over $5 billion damages were caused through looting and arson. Despite restrictions for the Police to act against rioting in Democratical controlled States and Cities the Police arrested 1500 rioters. The Democrats refuse to subject the riots to a House investigation and released the arrested rioters without charging them for law contraventions - even those acccused of murder and attacks on the Police was released in the process.
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Exactly the response I expected from you..... just more dribble..... so in other words, nowhere did I ever say, imply or even infer that the focus must now be solely on Nancy Pelosi for what transpired on the 6th January...... so just more long winded bullshit and lies from you.
Did I use the word solely?
Well hello ....I really thought you were smarter than this......Nancy Pelosi most definitely should have seen the potential for "this riot to occur", and of this, there is absolutely no shadow of a doubt in my mind....
There were various law enforcement agencies and security experts that had warned of potential violence based on the rhetoric and plans circulating on social media well before the election.
There were also smaller but similarly motivated incidents of violence and confrontations that had occurred weeks before leading up to January 6th, suggesting a risk of escalation.... so yes, she was monumentally stupid for not doing this, and especially not taking the Chief of Police for the capitol seriously when he repeatedly requested the national guard...
The FBI's Norfolk team had issued an internal report before the 6th January, warning of calls for violence and "war" at the capitol
The National Terrorism Advisory System also issued bulletins about possible domestic terrorism threats as well
The Capitol police themselves issued reports noting increased online threats highlighting concerns about the rally planned for the 6th January
The SITE Intelligence Group also shared concerns about potential actions on the 6th and shared this as well
ACLED also actually published reports on the heightened risk of political violence and unrest in the USA including specific and directed threats on the 6th January
The SPLC group also highlighted the mobilization of far-right and militia groups, noting their coordination and calls for action in Washington DC
So spare me the bullshit that Pelosi should or could not have had enough information and insight to actually put something in place to minimize or prevent the loss of lives .... you are now debating like a child here.
I didn't argue whether or not she should have had enough information or insight that she ought to have known there was potential for something like this to happen. I'd arguing she should never have been put into that position in the first place, she only was because of Trump's actions.
Beyond dispute my ass ....
Trump was certainly reckless with some comments that he made, in fact he was downright stupid at times, but if the necessary people in place could not see what the potential was of something happening at the capitol on that day, especially given the already high volatile public atmosphere and also all the various different security organization's assessments and reports that were provided before the 6th January.....and put the national guard in place, then 9 people might still be alive today.
I'm literally starting to think I'm going crazy listening to his. Look at where your putting you focus on.
This is the equivalent of a family member of of yours being killed or seriously injured in a terrorist attack. You find out that there was potential security lapses that could of prevented the attack from happening. Quite rightly you are angry at this and want those responsible for the security lapse to be held accountable. But you don't actually seem to give a f**k that the terrorist responsible for the actual attack is still on the loose. That's the level of logic we are at here. Cocaine logic.
Just answer me this one simple god damn question. Had Trump not repeatedly told his supporters that the election was stolen and/or that they should fight like hell, do you think the events of January 6th would have happened?
To be more precise, this is what your narrative is about...... stooping to just bullshit and lies now ......
Maybe one day you will figure out I'm not the one lying to you, its the people spoon feeding you this alt right wing crap you keep posting up here.
"Did I use the word solely?"
No... you just very deliberately and deceitfully made me out to have said something that I very clearly didn't, something you specifically mentioned in two separate posts.... much like you did with Bec's one comment the other day as well, you just can't help yourself.
"Just answer me this one simple god damn question. Had Trump not repeatedly told his supporters that the election was stolen and/or that they should fight like hell, do you think the events of January 6th would have happened?"
The answer is that we both don't know, so don't pretend that you do, which you have always done.....that is the overwhelming difference between me and you.....I don't know what would have happened, and I will openly say so.....because even if Trump never said a single word, he still lost the election and in many people's eyes, that alone could have been enough to riot on the 6th January.....who knows.....but you carry on like you know for absolute certainty that it wouldn't have happened... which is bullshit.....again, you know everything don't you.
"This is the equivalent of a family member of of yours being killed or seriously injured in a terrorist attack. You find out that there was potential security lapses that could of prevented the attack from happening. Quite rightly you are angry at this and want those responsible for the security lapse to be held accountable. But you don't actually seem to give a f**k that the terrorist responsible for the actual attack is still on the loose. That's the level of logic we are at here. Cocaine logic."
No, this is your logic.
Let me now ask you a question.....and for once just take Trump out of the equation, because you always run back to him to change the direction of the discussion.
Was Nancy Pelosi responsible for why 9 people died from what transpired on January the 6th.
"Maybe one day you will figure out I'm not the one lying to you, its the people spoon feeding you this alt right wing crap you keep posting up here"
Nah, I pretty much have you figured out by now
No...
So you're admitting to lying.
you just very deliberately and deceitfully made me out to have said something that I very clearly didn't, something you specifically mentioned in two separate posts.... much like you did with Bec's one comment the other day as well, you just can't help yourself.
This Pelosi video and how its being presented is just the latest addition to this alt right wing narrative that Trump is being unfairly treated. Its framing is designed to specifically shift the focus of blame onto Pelosi or muddy the waters to allow Trump supporters to argue sure January 6th may have been partially Trump's fault but Pelosi is as much too blame.
Also I stand by comments about Bec. When you and him repeatedly use the same right wing narratives and talking point albeit for different countries, I think well if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck.
The answer is that we both don't know, so don't pretend that you do, which you have always done.....that is the overwhelming difference between me and you.....I don't know what would have happened, and I will openly say so.....because even if Trump never said a single word, he still lost the election and in many people's eyes, that alone could have been enough to riot on the 6th January.....who knows.....but you carry on like you know for absolute certainty that it wouldn't have happened... which is bullshit.....again, you know everything don't you.
Now I'm flabbergasted. You'd have to be a card carrying cult member and total ideologue to not think Trump was the person responsible for Jan 6th. Its like the grass being green or the sky being blue. This is going beyond farcical now. Even if there was any credibility to claim that Trump loosing the election on its own was enough for his supporters to riot, the blame would still be on Trump because that would of been because it was him that spent 4 years putting idea's into their heads.
No, this is your logic.
Let me now ask you a question.....and for once just take Trump out of the equation, because you always run back to him to change the direction of the discussion.
Was Nancy Pelosi responsible for why 9 people died from what transpired on January the 6th.
More insanity, can we please exclude the person directly responsible for January 6th so we can get back to blaming the scapegoat. No Pelosi was not responsible for 9 people dying on January 6th, she wasn't responsible for security in the Capitol building on January 6th, she did not incite the rioters and she not did prevent the national guard from being called in.
She might have had the power and influence to call in the national guard before the riots happened with maybe a few other politicians as well but it wasn't her job. That video footage of her may simply be a person blaming themselves in a stressful heat of the moment situation, for something while not technically their responsibility for something they probably had the power to do something about.
Nah, I pretty much have you figured out by now
I'm secretly Joe Biden.
Stav
I asked you at ;elast 20 times before - what Law did Trump broke leading to the New York tral - you should by now be able to give and explanation on that one,
"So you're admitting to lying"
Not at all, and if you really want to prove me wrong on this, just point me to someone else that you have mentioned besides Pelosi.....maybe I missed it.... because if you can't do that, then yes, you have solely only referred to Nancy Pelosi.
"This Pelosi video and how its being presented is just the latest addition to this alt right wing narrative that Trump is being unfairly treated. Its framing is designed to specifically shift the focus of blame onto Pelosi or muddy the waters to allow Trump supporters to argue sure January 6th may have been partially Trump's fault but Pelosi is as much too blame."
Lol, let's not look at all the evidence then, that contributed to 9 people losing their lives..... just that evidence which involves Trump hey ..... typical naive response.
For example:
Since you like to use analogies..... Let's say a drunk driver hits a car head on, with 5 people in it.
The ambulance arrives on scene, but the paramedic decides to take his time, and very slowly examines the scene, and the people involved in the accident, but does not call for backup to attend to the many injured and dying people.
It is later found, after a full investigation was done, that if the necessary care had been given in that crucial golden hour, and backup was summoned in time.... all 5 people could have survived the accident.... but because the attending paramedic took his time, and did not call for any backup in a timeous manner, only two people survived the accident, and three people unnecessarily died due to the slow response of urgent medical assistance.......
You see....not only were Pelosi and her people warned in advance of serious potential issues on January 6th, but they were also informed of this many many times .... on the very day before the violence actually happened.....but no, they are not responsible for anything at all..... it's all Trump.
It's a very stupid outlook to have.
"Also I stand by comments about Bec. When you and him repeatedly use the same right wing narratives and talking point albeit for different countries, I think well if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck."
WTF are you on about.....
"Now I'm flabbergasted. You'd have to be a card carrying cult member and total ideologue to not think Trump was the person responsible for Jan 6th. Its like the grass being green or the sky being blue. This is going beyond farcical now. Even if there was any credibility to claim that Trump loosing the election on its own was enough for his supporters to riot, the blame would still be on Trump because that would of been because it was him that spent 4 years putting idea's into their heads."
You are being incredibly stupid and very naive here, and it shows just how fixated you really are on just the man himself...
Why don't you take a little bit of time and actually research what the potential American public attitude and unrest was like well before January the 6th or before any comments made by Trump .... but do it without including the name Donald Trump... take the blinkers off for once....because there are many.... many reasons why the people were worked up, pissed off, and downright angry at their country and government....... but no...... you only see Donald Trump..... I had already researched this when I posted my responses to some questions posed on here ......I can clearly see now that you are just fixated on the man Trump......but why don't you take the time to actually look into it.... without involving the "bad man Trump" and it might actually just open your eyes which have biasedly been closed for such a long time now.
"More insanity, can we please exclude the person directly responsible for January 6th so we can get back to blaming the scapegoat"
Typical response...... only ..... only ....look at Trump, and that is why 9 people died...... and again, it just shows your one eyed determination to blame Trump for everything.... whereas I can blame Trump, but also look at how those lives could have been spared, if people had actually taken some responsibility on the day that it happened and done their job like that paramedic I referred to... and yes, Nancy Pelosi was one of them.
"That video footage of her may simply be a person blaming themselves in a stressful heat of the moment situation, for something while not technically their responsibility for something they probably had the power to do something about."
Probably ..... LOL
Heat of the moment ..... LOL
"I'm secretly Joe Biden"
Sjoh...... this explains so much
Not at all, and if you really want to prove me wrong on this, just point me to someone else that you have mentioned besides Pelosi.....maybe I missed it.... because if you can't do that, then yes, you have solely only referred to Nancy Pelosi.
Yes you did. I never said the word solely.
Lol, let's not look at all the evidence then, that contributed to 9 people losing their lives..... just that evidence which involves Trump hey ..... typical naive response.
For example:
Since you like to use analogies..... Let's say a drunk driver hits a car head on, with 5 people in it.
A drunk driver who in this case is Donald Trump.
The ambulance arrives on scene, but the paramedic decides to take his time, and very slowly examines the scene, and the people involved in the accident, but does not call for backup to attend to the many injured and dying people.
It is later found, after a full investigation was done, that if the necessary care had been given in that crucial golden hour, and backup was summoned in time.... all 5 people could have survived the accident.... but because the attending paramedic took his time, and did not call for any backup in a timeous manner, only two people survived the accident, and three people unnecessarily died due to the slow response of urgent medical assistance.......
You see....not only were Pelosi and her people warned in advance of serious potential issues on January 6th, but they were also informed of this many many times .... on the very day before the violence actually happened.....but no, they are not responsible for anything at all..... it's all Trump.
And the drunk driver was just reckless and stupid right?
I'm going to explain this as clear as I possibly can.
Donald Trump either intentionally or unintentionally incited a riot on January 6th, whether or not there was security lapses is an important but its secondary issue to who was responsible for the actual inciting the riot. Absolutely if there was security lapses they should be investigated but it does not change the fact that the man primarily responsible for the riot was Trump himself. Those security lapses would never have occurred if not for Trump's action in inciting the riot.
Security on January 6th was not Nancy Pelosi's job or responsibility.
She did not stop/delay the deployment of the National guard.
WTF are you on about.....
Both yourself and Bec's use the same standard narratives that emanate from the political right, just from different countries.
From you we get the various narratives about how Trump is treated is a double standard. From Bec's its the its the usual standard soundbites of "sure it would be worse under Labour" and "ah sure all the parties are the same" (referring to corruption).
You are being incredibly stupid and very naive here, and it shows just how fixated you really are on just the man himself...
Why don't you take a little bit of time and actually research what the potential American public attitude and unrest was like well before January the 6th or before any comments made by Trump ....
Leaving aside Trump did make comments about election fraud, in fact he spent months doing so, which I think you'd have to be more than a little navie to believe his comments didn't incite the riot. Who was driving that public attitude and unrest for 4 years. That's not to say that America wasn't divided long before Trump got into power, but he made the division much worse. Remember when you cited that poll (think it was Pew research) that cited the various issues the public ranked Trump ahead of Biden on them. You left out the single one Biden lead Trump on, the issue of extremism.
but do it without including the name Donald Trump... take the blinkers off for once....because there are many.... many reasons why the people were worked up, pissed off, and downright angry at their country and government
But Trump was the government at this point! And coursed they where pissed off, he made them pissed off and angry.
....... but no...... you only see Donald Trump..... I had already researched this when I posted my responses to some questions posed on here ......I can clearly see now that you are just fixated on the man Trump......but why don't you take the time to actually look into it.... without involving the "bad man Trump" and it might actually just open your eyes which have biasedly been closed for such a long time now.
Look I'm really sorry about this but when talking about January 6th its exceptionally f**king hard not to talk about Donald Trump, the man that spent much of the election campaign talking about election fraud, calling the result fraudulent after the election was over and telling his supporters to fight like hell. In my view and I believe its a view shared by a considerable majority of people in Western countries, he is the man overwhelming responsible for what happened on January 6th, his words incited that riot. If he goes to court in connection with January 6th, I'd be shocked if he was acquitted.
Do you have any idea how ridiculously partisan you come across when you keep asking for Donald Trump actions on January 6th to be put aside so we can focus on a secondary issue.
As for being fixated on him. Not really, I'd much rather he was consigned to the dustbin of history but this forum primarily discusses politics and Donald Trump regardless of how one feels about him is a major person in politics at the moment and often in the news. If you want to call me fixated on the man, I can say your fixated on pushing narratives that imply Trump is the victim of double standard. You accept without any critical thinking any narrative the right wing put forward in defence of Trump or critical of the Democrats.
Typical response...... only ..... only ....look at Trump, and that is why 9 people died...... and again, it just shows your one eyed determination to blame Trump for everything.... whereas I can blame Trump,
Again where did I say only look at Trump. I don't blame Trump for everything. I look at each situation individually and weight up the evidence. I do blame him for January 6th, he is primarily to blame for it in my view. That's not to say the response to the riots doesn't need to be investigated but its a secondary issue to who actually caused the riots.
but also look at how those lives could have been spared, if people had actually taken some responsibility on the day that it happened and done their job like that paramedic I referred to... and yes, Nancy Pelosi was one of them.
Yes all those lives could have been spared had Trump not talked about election fraud and accepted the results of the election instead of inciting a riot.
And once again, Nancy Pelosi was not responsible for security on January 6th.
Probably ..... LOL
Heat of the moment ..... LOL
You don't have any coherent arguments do you?
Sjoh...... this explains so much
Come on man, No Malarkey!
Stav
Why are you, unable to answer a simple question - WHAT L;AW DID TRUMP BREAK ON WHICH HIS GUILTY CHARGE WERE BASED.
If you cannot answer that simple question - you should stop waffling about the issue.
Mike haven't you figured out by now that I've no interest in wasting my time engaging with you.
Sure - you do not know - and one can expect only leftwing and ultra-leftwing media propaganda BS from you. Unless you can answer that simple question - any further discussion is just about as ignorant as you were about the Russian Hoax issue.
Trying to engage ou Maaik on any topic is invariably fruitless.
It's not just that he's too fundamentally stupid to umderstand anything you're trying to say, but if he does ever indicate that he requires clarity or help trying to understand the issue (in ou Maaik's case, this can be measured by the amount of drool collecting on his chin), he is so inarticulate and his language skills are so poor - not to mention his typing ability which can be compared to a wombat wearing boxing gloves trying to solder a pin on a microchip - that one is left trying to decipher gibberish by finding context between the tiny minority of words that are actually imtelligible.
It really isn't worth the effort.
"Do you have any idea how ridiculously partisan you come across when you keep asking for Donald Trump actions on January 6th to be put aside so we can focus on a secondary issue."
The exact opposite is true here..... it shows extremely clearly just how horribly fixated you are on the man.... it seriously does.
"As for being fixated on him. Not really"
LMFAO ... yeah, your posts are very impartial
"Security on January 6th was not Nancy Pelosi's job or responsibility.
She did not stop/delay the deployment of the National guard"
Says who..... you?
I was just waiting and expecting for you to pull this point up.....it didn't take long
On the day we are referring to, January the 6th .... Nancy Pelosi put herself in the security decision process and her sergeant at arms denied any requests for support before and during the January 6th riots
I suggest you get your facts straight before making statements like this .... but hold on.....no wait..... it was Trump again wasn't it..
"Donald Trump either intentionally or unintentionally incited a riot on January 6th"
Nancy Pelosi either intentionally or unintentionally did not call on the national guard in time...
I can also play this game
"You don't have any coherent arguments do you?"
Not at all, I just don't want to carry on with someone who is just so fixated on one man, that he refuses to see any other issue or opinion surrounding that individual..... you have absolutely no idea at all just how you come across when you speak about Donald Trump, in any situation at all....
I have discussed previous faults of Trump, and placed blame on him and elsewhere, but you mostly just refuse to, because you are so blinded by your dislike of the man, and all your previous posts about him or anything referring to him makes this very crystal clear.... so why even bother
"Again where did I say only look at Trump"
Because you only look at Trump..... and always have.....and I genuinely believe that if you could blame him for anything Clinton, Biden or Obama did, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that you would... such is your fixation and dislike of him.
"And once again, Nancy Pelosi was not responsible for security on January 6th."
And once again, I suggest you get your facts straight...... since you keep telling all and sundry to do just this..... all the time
"Come on man, No Malarkey!"
Come on man....No Sarcasm ..
Trying to engage DumbAss isn't much more rewarding.
He doesn't care how stupid his reasoning is as long as he sounds like a tough guy.
What DumbAss is basically saying here is pretty much like saying let's examine World War 2 but no-one is allowed to mention Hitler because everyone hates him and he's been done to death . . . but let's discuss WW2 anyway.
D A
Stav cannot answer anything I wrote becxause eh si caught in a trap of leftwing and ultra-leftwing media using brainwashing on any issue.
S tav is a coward nd won't answer one question pertaining to the chargesw Trump was found guilty on. You ask him what Law Trump broke in the case of the New York show trial.
I want to remind you in this regard that the Judge in his final instruction to the jiury said there could be diferences of opinion on the law issue - so they must find Trump guilty based on what the evidence the Prosecutor provided. So the Judge himself said they must ignore what Law Trump broke. That in he first instance was an illegal instruction to the Jury.
So you ask Stav what LAW Trump broke- maybe he would be prepared to answer you - but I doubt whether he would respond to you in that regard because the ulktra-left media hid that fact from their gullible adherents.
Says who..... you?
Say's reality. Security on that day would of been the responsibility of the Capital Police Board, which oversees the US Capitol Police and approves requests for Nation Guard assistance. The speaker of the house does not oversee the Capital Police Board.
On the day we are referring to, January the 6th .... Nancy Pelosi put herself in the security decision process and her sergeant at arms denied any requests for support before and during the January 6th riots
Her Sergant at arms. Bullshit misrepresentation.
Its true to say that she appointed one of the 4 members of the Capital Police Board, the House Sergeant at Arms, in this case Paul Irving, but his position also has to be confirmed by the House which it was unanimously. In addition Irving was not originally nominated by Pelosi but by the then Republican House speaker John Boehner back in 2012. In addition Paul Irving was retained in his role in 5 more votes by the house, Pelosi was only involved in 2 of those. So its a gross misrepresentation to say that he was "her sergeant at arms". She was not involved with the appointment of the other 3 members of the Capital Police Board.
This basically covers all the bullshit points your making about denying requests for the National Guard on January 6th, long and short of it, there is no evidence to verify such a claim.
**Note my mistake read that wrong, there was a request to bring in the Nation Guard made to the two Sergeant at Arms two days before on January 4th from Steven Sund the Capital City police chief. Irving felt the situation didn't warrant it but did ask that Sund seek the opinion of Senate Sergeant at Arms Michael Stenger, Stenger also didn't give approval but did ask how quickly the National Guard could be deployed and to lean forward (i.e. be prepared) if a request is raised. (Incidentally Stenger was nominated for the position by Mitch McConnell and unanimously approved the by the senate).
I suggest you get your facts straight before making statements like this .... but hold on.....no wait..... it was Trump again wasn't it..
The irony.
Nancy Pelosi either intentionally or unintentionally did not call on the national guard in time...
I can also play this game
Pelosi gave her permission when asked for it. Its not clear that her permission was even necessary though and the permission of two other people was also sought.
Not at all, I just don't want to carry on with someone who is just so fixated on one man, that he refuses to see any other issue or opinion surrounding that individual..... you have absolutely no idea at all just how you come across when you speak about Donald Trump, in any situation at all....
I have discussed previous faults of Trump, and placed blame on him and elsewhere, but you mostly just refuse to, because you are so blinded by your dislike of the man, and all your previous posts about him or anything referring to him makes this very crystal clear.... so why even bother
More deflection. Everything you post is just far right wing tabloid gutter trash that doesn't stand up to any sort of scrutiny. When that's rather easily exposed all you have got is the fall back of "ah you just dislike the man and that's blinding you to the truth", which is just the standard excuse right wing Trump supporters bring out, its just a pants on head retarded rebuttal that's up there with "orange man bad".
And your token criticisms of Trump are not fooling anyone into thinking your offering a balanced opinion. Not when nearly all your posts are right wing talking points.
Because you only look at Trump..... and always have.....and I genuinely believe that if you could blame him for anything Clinton, Biden or Obama did, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that you would... such is your fixation and dislike of him.
No I only point out the bullshit false equivalence arguments the right wing keep on coming up with to protect Trump. I notice you still have acknowledged Obama and McCain where treated the same way over election campaign violations. But yeah you keep evading and telling yourself I'm just blinded by hatred of the man.
And once again, I suggest you get your facts straight...... since you keep telling all and sundry to do just this..... all the time
Good lord man, just check it and stop digging the hole deeper.
Rooidoos
You are repeatiung BS on site shows you know fuck all about everything involved. I stick to legal facts - you stick to propagamdqa BS cfrom the elftist and ultra-leftist media.
Remind me again how you repeated all the Russian Hoax BS on site was true - while it was based on lies concocted by the Democrats. You fell for those lies totally and even recently came up with the same unproven BS.
There is one thing in the world I despise tand that is spreading lies and that represent your whole approach. A twisted mind brings in WW2 on an issue I never discussed anywhere and your real problem is that Biden is equal corrupt shit to criminals worldwide - inclusive of your heroes Stalin and Mao Zedung.
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What DumbAss is basically saying here is pretty much like saying let's examine World War 2 but no-one is allowed to mention Hitler because everyone hates him and he's been done to death . . . but let's discuss WW2 anyway.
LOL, wating for the "moustached man bad" rebuttal.
But yeah Hitlers armies might have just invaded those countries on their own even if he had said nothing.
inclusive of your heroes Stalin and Mao Zedung.
Mao Zedung?
Go and check your sapelling please. Look it up on the internet please.
"Go and check your sapelling please. "
I'll make it a quick and easy response
A suppressed video which recently came out, is what they are referring to in this statement from the United States House Of Representatives below..., which is also why the sub-committee had to contact HBO directly and legally request this video and possibly a lot of other documents, videos and files from the HBO archives.
900 interviews and over 100 deleted encrypted documents and over 1 terabyte of data was not archived as it should have been ....which is very convenient.
The then vice-chair Liz Cheney and Chair Benny Thompson had this footage of Nancy Pelosi leaving the capitol on the day of the riots, but they very conveniently decided not to make it available to anyone.
Here is the letter sent to HBO by the Sub-Committee Chairman Barry Loudermilk, requesting they comply with the sub-committee's requirements.
Here is the statement from the United States House Of Representatives Sub-Committee
There are other videos that Alexandra Pelosi took, which don't do her or her mother any favours...
Here is another leaked video of Alexandra Pelosi..... Nancy's daughter..... talking on film, with one of the January 6th defendants from the capitol riot.... about non-existent fair trials in DC..... the political January 6th hysteria......the baseless insurrection farce.... and about the Proud Boys and Gavin McInnes.....being labelled White Supremacists just for political reasons.
Now why would she admit to this.......?
So .....
Despite the House Of Representatives Sub Committee's findings against Nancy Pelosi, and also Pelosi herself admitting on tape that as the Speaker Of The House.... she is personally responsible for the security failures at the capitol, and also responsible for not having the national guard at the Capitol..... and including the absolute waste of $20 million on trying to blame all of this on Donald Trump ... do you still want to dispute that Nancy Pelosi was not responsible for what happened on the 6th January?........
Let's also include these verbatim quotes from the current Sub-Committee chairman Barry Loudermilk, on just some of their official findings from this investigation.
"The Democrats’ partisan select committee went to great lengths to suppress and hide evidence that didn’t support their predetermined narrative about that day, including this video of Speaker Pelosi admitting that she was responsible for the security failures at the Capitol. My committee will continue to investigate and expose all the facts. The American people deserve the truth.”
"This video shows Pelosi in a moment of leadership acknowledging that as Speaker of the House it was her responsibility to ensure the safety of Members of Congress that day and every other day. However, Pelosi never publicly took responsibility. Instead, Pelosi created the January 6 Select Committee with the purpose of publicly blaming Donald Trump for her own failures."
"Despite Pelosi’s claims yesterday on MSNBC that Republicans are engaging in revisionist history, this clip proves what Republicans have said for three years: it is Pelosi who has been determined to revise history and shift the blame away from herself for security failures at the Capitol on January 6"
I have also checked numerous reputable news outlets around the world, who have all run with basically the same headline.... that Nancy Pelosi admits responsibility for what happened at the capitol on January the 6th.
You see Stav... I already told you previously that I expected you to bring this specific point up in our discussion at some point.....because that is precisely why I mentioned it a few times in my posts.......and I also fully and completely anticipated this response from you in advance.....and you went for it....all gung ho..... boy did you jump for it...... it took a bit long, but we did get there eventually.... LOL ....
It was a seriously fun setup..... and it was bloody hilarious when you responded with this.
Says who..... you?
"Say's reality"
Not sure what reality you live in .....unlike you I was dealing with facts
Here is where I anticipated it....... as I said, the setup was fun while it lasted.
"I was just waiting and expecting for you to pull this point up.....it didn't take long"
I also quite kindly and generously gave you many different opportunities to look into this specific issue itself...properly, to possibly correct yourself....by telling you multiple times to do your research properly.... but you knew better.
"I suggest you get your facts straight before making statements like this"
And again here
"And once again, I suggest you get your facts straight...... since you keep telling all and sundry to do just this..... all the time"
Then you try and insult me with this statement
"This basically covers all the bullshit points your making about denying requests for the National Guard on January 6th, long and short of it, there is no evidence to verify such a claim."
And then here.... I guess the scrutiny finally stood up?
"Everything you post is just far right wing tabloid gutter trash that doesn't stand up to any sort of scrutiny"
I guess nobody needs to protect Trump now, as per below statement from you....now that the truth has come out.... no?
"No I only point out the bullshit false equivalence arguments the right wing keep on coming up with to protect Trump"
Lastly, this
"Good lord man, just check it and stop digging the hole deeper"
LMFAO..... yeah, there is a monumental hole here......and you are currently looking up at me from the bottom of it..... stop digging dude..... just stop period.
So Stav.... I will ask you this again...... was Nancy Pelosi responsible for what occurred regarding the security of the people at the capitol on January the 6th, including the deployment on the national guard....at the capitol, on January the 6th.... yes or no
Here is another leaked video of Alexandra Pelosi..... Nancy's daughter..... talking on film, with one of the January 6th defendants from the capitol riot.... about non-existent fair trials in DC..... the political January 6th hysteria......the baseless insurrection farce.... and about the Proud Boys and Gavin McInnes.....being labelled White Supremacists just for political reasons.
Now why would she admit to this.......?
The video is gone.
Despite the House Of Representatives Sub Committee's findings against Nancy Pelosi,
Nothing more than partisan politics and blame shifting from the side that caused the riots on January 6th.
and also Pelosi herself admitting on tape that as the Speaker Of The House.... she is personally responsible for the security failures at the capitol
She can admit it 100,000 times, it doesn't change the fact that security for the Capital on January 6th wasn't her responsibility, all that video shows is someone being angry at themselves in hindsight for not seeing the riot coming. There is a difference between someone who probably had enough influence given their position to do something and someone or some people who have the designated responsibility.
and also responsible for not having the national guard at the Capitol....
She's not responsible for not having the national guard. That's just a lie at this point.
. and including the absolute waste of $20 million on trying to blame all of this on Donald Trump
do you still want to dispute that Nancy Pelosi was not responsible for what happened on the 6th January?........
Oh my days, you absolute space cadet. Pelosi was not in charge of security on January 6th. The person who was responsible for January 6th is the man who incited the riots.
Not sure what reality you live in .....
Here is where I anticipated it....... as I said, the setup was fun while it lasted.
Seriously man you're at Mike level of reality denial here. Nancy Pelosi was not responsible for security on January 6th. Its not the job of the speaker of the house, it never has been at any inauguration, its the job of the Capital Police Board. This is established fact, end of story.
I also quite kindly gave you many different opportunities to look into this specific issue itself...properly, by telling you multiple times to do your research properly.... but you knew better.
No you posted crap without fact checking because its supports your political leanings. You then refuse to accept any facts that conflict with your preset view and or you can't tell the difference between someone twisting words presenting a narrative with a political agenda and someone who's presenting you with facts. I think at this point Jon Snow would know better than you.
Then you try and insult me with this statement
And here.... I guess the scrutiny stood up?
I have no problems owning up to mistakes. I don't need to endlessly shift the goalposts. The fact that one of the members of the Capitol Policing Board did ask that the deployment of the National Guard be considered before January 6th does not in anyway point the blame at Pelosi. She wasn't involved in the decision making process, it wasn't her job and the framing of one of the people who was involved in the decision making as her "Sergeant at Arms" is a gross misrepresentation. The claim that Pelosi stopped or delayed the deployment of the National Guard on January 6th itself after the riots had started is just an outright lie.
I guess nobody needs to protect Trump now, as per below statement from you....now that the truth has come out.... no?
When everything you post has no substance or credibility its not protection, its cover. "Now that the truth" lol you mean now that we can twist another out of context soundbite in aid of diverting attention from the blindingly obvious fact that Trumps actions incited the riot. I mean you must of have utter contempt for the other side if you think people are stupid enough to not see through this blatantly obvious attempt to shift the blame.
LMFAO..... yeah, there is a monumental hole here......and you are currently looking up at me from the bottom of it..... stop digging dude..... just stop period.
LOL if your not embarrassed about this I'm starting to feel embarrassed for you.
So Stav.... I will ask you this again...... was Nancy Pelosi responsible for what occurred regarding the security of the people at the capitol on January the 6th, including the deployment on the national guard....at the capitol, on January the 6th.... yes or no
For the one millionth time. No.
LOL what is with this forum and its formatting.
I rate Politifact equal in propaganda BS spreading ahead of news.
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You think Pelosi is not a massive crook and corrupt mostly drunk women so spare us posting s on her on site, Incidentally she is not only a con But it would have saved more than a $500 million fro loote and corrupt trnsactions at the expense of the taxpayers of the USA.
Go Donald, give'm he'll...and make America great again!!! Screw the haters.
'A cult to a thug' .................
Nah...he's not who you think...no saint, but not the devil either...far from it.
I wouot support a crook wh o operte shelf companies into which bribes are paid and hen Ttransfer to the Biden cime family - a real rook. There is not any evidence of Trump being a thug. There is bank statements galore to prove Biden is a crook and suffering from dementia and be controlled by Soros and Gates.
So what cult are you talking about - there is none at all in the poitical scene bar th e terrorist subsidiaries of the Demcoratic Party - Antifa and BLM ued by them foir rioting purposes known as murderers and attacks on police and innoent people.
ccl
Go and check your sapelling please. Look it up on the internet please.
Has to be the laugh of the century.
Tx ou Mickey you've done it again.
Voltaire once said, “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.”
...and that goes for both sides Blob.
Well there's the good side & then the other that's reinventing itself into a Christo-Fascist cult.
No, we're not...stop giving into the "Evil white Christian BS"...we're more than rednecks and backward hicks...and actually the opposite of fascist.
"Fascism is a complex and multifaceted ideology, but some common characteristics include:
The Democrat Party check way more of those boxes...all but the second and the last.
Authoritarianism - no, the opposite
As so it was liberal leaning judging's that granted the President immunity from the law when carrying out official acts?. And Biden didn't come out and condemn that ruling?
Nationalism - in a way, but patriotism is more accurate.
Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious. Oscar Wilde
Nationalism always portrays itself as patriotic and the other side as unpatriotic.
Corporatism - nope
I'd argue both sides serve corporate interests. With Trump he has railed against corporatism in the past in a bid to appeal to the masses but in actuality he's been rather incoherent with his policies, some of which have favoured corporations while some haven't
https://www.levernews.com/the-corporatization-of-donald-trump/
Suppression of individual rights and freedoms - nope abortion wasn't banned, it's just not an unlimited state sponsored right anymore.
So they did supress an individuals right and freedom then?
Promotion of a strong, centralized state - nope, the opposite
Well both sides want a strong state. But yes Republican do favour a more decentralized state.
Often accompanied by anti-communism and anti-socialism - definitely
BS took over asz per normal and nobidy read the actual judgement . Thered si nothing prevednting any President ebe ch argerd with criminal offences in the casze of US Presidents if they indeed took pesonal decisions that imply criminal actions on his part. He cxannot eb chargfed with offcicial decisions taken - that means decisions contravenming the US Cnstitutions can also be charged if it comnes rto issues like High Treason. For tfhe rest he canno0t eb charged of polcy decisions taken by a President.
As to Presidents with cxeriminal offenses - Smith mixeds up the issues trotally and as expectfed tgrfty to lay charges wide open to mixing policy dedcisions wsith xcriminality and that si wshere he got stuck in the BS situation he is involved situation. What is clear is that SWmih ry and sue the Nancy Pelosi Committee evidence against Trump for hsi creimianl chargves - but that ws negatived by tgher House inv estigation where real fcacts became clear and also security video reciording of wghata cxuaklkt happened. So Smith lost 90% of his evidnce on thqat onew since the Pelosi Committee destroyed evudence provided and that in itself is a crimianl offense.
Insocfar as the dcouments case is concerned the judge was not amused by evidence that the FBI spread a photo of documents lying on the floor of the storeroom and provided to gthe Media was a fake and the fact that the FBI took 32 boxes of docu,emts fro,mar-el-Lago- and when ordered by the Judge to return the documents to court for inspection by the lawyers representing Trump they returned on;ly 21 boxes and even cfrfom those boxes strings of dxiocuments were removed and sh then postponed gthe trial; indefinitely. She also heard evidence on the sisue of the appointment of Smith as Special Council - since the ervidcnce si that he ws the fiorfst private practitioner withoput any G overnment expereience as a Special Council. So what may ahppen sis that Garland's decision to appoinmt him may be throwqn out by the Florida Judge and there is nothing Garland can do about it.
Lawsfare against political opponents is not in the itmnerest of demcorfacy and open to abuse by banana republic admirers like siin charge in Washington at present.
"So they did supress an individuals right and freedom then?"
Less so than the other side...no rights or freedoms are absolute...your freedom should not be impeding somebody else's...like a baby's right to live...or the right to bear arms...or freedom of speach....there should be limits.
Well, it certainly seems like things have blown up for Biden in my short time away from here... wow.... and things have probably drastically improved for Trump, regarding him beating Biden and getting re-elected.... time will tell I guess.
I still find it hard to fathom how these two guys are the only ones representing over 330 million people in a race for the oval office ......and how they just cannot do any better with choosing candidates for the presidency.
Guilty or not, it seems like the American people will probably put Trump back in office.
Regardless of what Stav might want you to believe, the various different videos of Biden acting like a two year old child who often freezes up after losing it's dummy..... these are not deep fake news videos as was mentioned by Stav with the smelling and sniffing videos of Biden that I discussed and brought up...... just like those videos that were discussed, these videos are also 100% legit........ which clearly show an adult man, not just in cognitive decline, but also in moral and principle judgement decline.......which most of Biden's closest aides tried to explain away to the general public as manipulated videos and camera angles.....lol, what a bloody farce.
Now more and more people close to Biden and from inside the White House are coming out and saying that Biden's mental and physical health has been in a rapid decline for a long time already....duh, surprise surprise.
How anybody could still buy into this bullshit is absolutely ridiculous.
Stav any idea why the Judge in this case has posponed the sentencing of President Trump?
Confirmed by the Judge that a leak was discovered in the Demorat Jury pool.
Still not sufficient proof for you that my original statement is a fact I suppose.
A leak which you stated was not confirmed by your Demorat biased opinion.
BS.
And now the Judge postponed the verdict to 18 September 2024? The ansswewr is simple - the Biden Administration was behind the fake charges and the Judge is awaiting further instructions should Biden be replaced as candidate since the BS failed as an election campaign stratergy,
The Biden DOJ BS Case against President Trump is going to be dismissed but the folks suffering with TDS just cannot accept true justice.
UNFORTUNATELY.
Stav any idea why the Judge in this case has posponed the sentencing of President Trump?
I believe its to do with the Judge wanting to take time to consider the Supreme Court ruling regarding Presidential Immunity.
Confirmed by the Judge that a leak was discovered in the Demorat Jury pool.
Really got a link to that?, can't find anything about via a google search. All the news that relates to that supposed leak dates back to this time last month. Nothing anywhere about a Judge confirming a jury member leaked what the verdict of the trial would be in advancing of the verdict been given in court.
Still not sufficient proof for you that my original statement is a fact I suppose.
A leak which you stated was not confirmed by your Demorat biased opinion.
Well your word alone is not sufficient proof, please provide evidence to back it up.
And how can my opinion be biased if its factual. The leak hadn't been confirmed back then and as far as I can see it's still not confirmed now.
Stav
Just a correction please - the fake charges date from a time before Trump was sworn in as President - so the Supreme Court Judgement on Presidential Immunity has zero to do with the case. .
LOL Trump doesn't agree with you Mike.
A golf cheat, poor loser & convicted felon.
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The judge appears to have a lot of discretion in his sentencing hearing in 5 weeks.
While many experts believe he will not go to jail for creating false business records, this is also linked to election interference. There is no precedent when combining the interrelated crimes.
Given time has run out for the other trials, Trump must go to jail for at least 4 years.
This is the one chance to put Trump away. The remaining trials would just be icing on the cake