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Jun 05, 2021, 03:31

ex - CNBC

The future is blue...
At the next election, there will be a new batch of 18-22-year-old voters. 

There will also be fewer over 65's due to old age, even without Covid. (And many Republicans are anti-vax). 

Politicians know this, hence why some continue to support Trump. He is their last throw of the dice because the white working-class love Trump, and without this, the Republicans would not win. 
They support his stop the steal, and voter fraud allegations- because a fair vote means that the current Republican politicians will not win again. 

The next election will probably not be contestable, and then in 8 years from now, there will be even more Democratic voters and fewer Republican voters. 

The one shining light for Republicans is that many younger voters voted against Trump, rather than for Biden. 


Jun 05, 2021, 08:48

How did Labour do in the UK elections, Viskop?

Oh yeah, that's right, your social democrat pals too an absolute bath of embarrassing proportions.

Strange, you've never mentioned it.

I'll guess, just because of pricing, that the UK has more college grads per capita than the US does.

Another mega-oopsie for the board's plank.

You can't take the simplest of data and arrive at the correct answer, so do excuse us if we're slightly dubious RE your political crystal ball.

I await your deeply pertinent comeback involving UFOs, God, rednecks(who seemingly all smarter than you) and QAnon.


Jun 05, 2021, 11:28

ButtPlug, I actually don't mind the conservative ideology in the UK- or in the EU. 

I have never voted, and I don't really mind if conservatives or Labour win. 
Labour just has shit candidates, at least since Tony Blair. 

My only concern with Conservatism (at least in politics) - is that donors give billions to their election campaigns- and I feel it gives billionaires too much influence on government policy.
No one elected these billionaires to shape a countries policy. 

Conservatism adds value, but not the corrupt version that exists in America. The Republicans used to be a good party, but now they are just conspiracists and scam artists who are on the Corporate payroll. America is all about monopolies - and shareholders. 

Fortunately, the younger generations of Americans see this too. 



Jun 05, 2021, 12:58

"My only concern with Conservatism (at least in politics) - is that donors give billions to their election campaigns- and I feel it gives billionaires too much influence on government policy.

No one elected these billionaires to shape a countries policy. "


And the libs don't have donors?...you sh!tting us again né?

Jun 06, 2021, 22:08

Well unfortunate for the Democratic Party only the following poor folks running these companies donated to their election campaign.

Bloomberg

Google

Facebook

Twitter

Amazon

Just to name a few.

Shame, unfortunately BLM and the other vermin organizations did not donate but used all their funds to enrich themselves.

If  the BIDEN immigration continues as it is BLM folks are going to have to learn Spanish because even those BIDEN immigrants don't understand the BLM use of  English.

Appears that the Spanish speaking votes are going to outnumber the African Americans (so called voters) pretty soon.








Jun 07, 2021, 08:28

In summary, when Shark says something, the opposite is usually true.


Jun 07, 2021, 12:31

Democrats like Roosevelt good leader and had ethics better than these scumbags today...the older democrats were tolerable.

I've never been a liberal or democrat but I did admire Franklin, brave man, was terribly ill and had a good sense of humour.


Jun 07, 2021, 13:00

4 years is a long time, and the voter Demographics will have changed.

In 8 years, the Democrats will be totally dominant.
This is why Republicans are trying to limit voting by age and race. The politicians and the rednecks know they are on their way out. 


Election in 4 years

18-24  (68% Democratic)

25-29 (65% Democratic)

30-39 (63% Democractic)

40-49  (56% Democractic)


Election in 8 years

18-24  (68% Democratic)

25-29 (65% Democratic)

30-39 (63% Democratic)

40-49  (61% Democratic)

50-64  (55% Democratic)

When the 50-60 age group is also majority Democrat, Republicans may as well as give up. 

Jun 07, 2021, 13:10

Perhaps I should point out that you're making a similar mistake to what you made previously. 

Question is, will you see it this time?

Jun 07, 2021, 14:47

In 8 years' time, the Republican party will be toast.

The writing is on the wall, they and the Qanon alt-right brigade can see this. Even the rednecks can see it. 

America is no longer a Democracy because of this. The only way Republicans can win an election in 8 years is to cheat. In 4 years, they are likely to be toast anyway. 

18 -64 is a done deal in 8 years.
The traditional Christian far-right conservative ideology is on its way out. 
Conservatism will still exist, just not the conspiracy Qanon BS in the US.

@ButtPlug, your ideology is outdated. It is understandable for people in their 70's, but you are younger. So you will be one of the last remnants, each day the world changes it is more to your dislike.  :D. If the Trumpanzees struggle today, imagine what it is going to be like in 10-15 years. You will be a relic of a bygone era, hoping to be teleported back to Babylon 5000 BC. 


Jun 07, 2021, 14:58

If the best that the Republicans can do is a self-serving, boastful and bungling fool like Bozo then they deserve to be toast.

For generations to come, people will be asking the question how it came to pass that when the world most needed strong leadership, they had this pitiful, stupid and conceited idiot as the most powerful person on the planet saying things like "it's all under control", "one day it will disappear like magic" and "we're doing a great job."

The Trumpanzees who voted for this clown and supported him have a lot to answer for. The morons who still support him should be put up against a wall and shot. We can call them mercy killings.

Jun 07, 2021, 15:54

"The Trumpanzees who voted for this clown and supported him have a lot to answer for. The morons who still support him should be put up against a wall and shot. We can call them mercy killings."


The Commie way, no wonder you approve of such tactics...gas chambers next?

Jun 07, 2021, 17:15

Lol 

So, the short answer is NO 

Would you like a clue as to where your recent numbers err yet again?

Cumon Vissie, try to get there on your own this time.


Jun 08, 2021, 10:00

"The Commie way, no wonder you approve of such tactics...gas chambers next?"


See now, normally I'd put a simple "whoooosh" here to show how the humourous exaggeration of the last two sentences of my post sailed high over the Squeaky Toy's flat, sloping forehead . . . but we all know how tearful and sulky he gets when I do that . . . so I won't.

Jun 08, 2021, 10:11

Whoosh!!!:D:D:D...it goes both ways.

"We can call them mercy killings."

Jun 08, 2021, 11:50

It is amazing the Christians now call themselves Capitalists, and against communism. 


The same backward mentality that gave us the dark ages, which put Democracy and Capitalism back thousands of years. They had their chance in power, and it was a disaster....
They also brought back authoritarian dictatorships that united with the Church, so it is pretty absurd for them to call anyone else communist. (Particularly when they want to appoint Trump for life). 

If Trump somehow wins the next election, America is going to start going backward big time. 
Anyone that opposes Trump will end in jail. It will be the end of the free press. 
All of Trumps current enemies will probably have to leave the US, or be arrested. 

Trump will join Putin, XI-ee, and Kim Jon as the leaders of the new world. (double-sic). 

Jun 08, 2021, 12:19

 

Jun 08, 2021, 12:24

A rare moment of self-awareness from the Squeaky Toy . . .

Jun 08, 2021, 13:03

...:D:D:D...I wondered which one of you two would jump at that opportunity first...congrat's Rooi, you're first out of the blocks!

Jun 08, 2021, 14:35

You're correct, VisKop.

Religion was involved as you describe.

However, so was politics.

I don't see you calling for politics to be removed from the equation. 

Jun 08, 2021, 15:23

Politics existed before Christianity (300 AC).
After becoming Christian, the Roman Empire went into cultural decline. 


After ruling over the known world, the ancient Romans became so weak they got beaten by ancient German Tribes. 
Apparently, the Eastern Empire followed the same path after Muslim became the dominant religion. 

The dark ages ensued... Many records from the ancient Greeks/Romans were burnt. 
Some lost records were eventually found over 1000 years later. 
This created the Renaissance, and since then the influence of religion has waned. Fast forward to the 21st century, and the Western world has almost defeated it. (Religion the man-made entity, not the possibility of a God). 
                                                   

Jun 08, 2021, 15:24

ButtPlug, just so I understand, you're suggesting that we remove politics from a discussion on the future of the USA two major political parties?

Jun 08, 2021, 15:41

Nope, you don't understand.

Not for the first time.

Meh :/

Jun 08, 2021, 15:53

Thanks for the pseudo history lesson, Viskop.

So what are we gonna do about political ideas? For the last 300 years they've been way  more deadly than religious beliefs. 

EG apartheid was a political system that held certain people in something akin to a modern dark age...recently.

The problem of painting everything with broad strokes is what I'm raising.

You could say, and you'd be correct, that organised religion was politicised.

So is politics or religion wot's the bad guy?





Jun 08, 2021, 17:59

The American voters are made up  as follows:-

Democratic Party       =     42%

Republican Party       =      37%

Independents             =      21% 

In return  the Democrats have the  following base:-

Hard Core Socialists/Communists       =     40%

Centrists                                               =     60%

That  means that the Femocratic Party is divided and very deeply  so.    Under Biden  the Democratic Party has moved sharply to the left  influenced  largely  by their funders with ties to China .    If that trend is continued  the situation does not look good for the Democrats,    If they try to stick together and keep on the socialist trend  - they are going to either  split  into two parties or they are going to drive the  moderate voters away, which is already happening, 

In  a major town in Texas  on the  Mexican  border  with a  majority  Latino  population - where Republicans are not favorites to win anything  - a Republican  Mayor was elected last week,             

     

Jun 08, 2021, 18:44

That is the current average, however, younger generations are heavily Democrat. 
By the next election, everyone aged under 30 years should be around 70% Democrat. 


The election in 8 years, under 34 years old will be 70% Democrat.
 
Over '50s is the strongest for Republicans, but there will be fewer of these voters in 8 years. 
By that time Democrats will make up a higher % in the older age groups as well. 

The Democrats could split into 2 parties if the Republican party gets too few votes, which appears to be the case. 

It will be impossible for the current Republican outfit to win an election in 8 years, and probably also in just 4 years.  The party needs to reinvent itself to continue to exist, or it needs to commit election fraud to win. 


Jun 08, 2021, 19:01

ButtPlug, near the start of the dark ages, politics, and religion were totally intertwined.
Much more so than before (Ancient Greeks) and now (Modern world). 

Apartheid was a very religiously driven political system. Some people believed it was God's law (e.g. the Wood Carrying class in the Bible). Heaven itself may have been reserved for white people. 

The places in the world where religion and politics are totally intertwined are usually the most backward and war-driven places in the world. 

The US is the last first-world country to have a large % of the population still religious. 
However, America is currently in its worst situation - in the last 100 years.
There are a lot of unhappy people on both sides, while the richest 2% get richer and richer. 

Conflicts of ideology and the gap between the working class and middle class may lead to civil war. The country is in a state of deep unrest, at least compared to other first-world countries. 

Trump, a con man who has no business being involved in politics- is stoking the flames to use this time of weakness in America to anoint himself for life to save Democracy. 

Jun 08, 2021, 22:00

  

Jun 08, 2021, 22:54

SB

The  fact of life  is different.     A Cousin  of  mine - who later on was a Professor in   Economics told me  something pertinent and applicable throughout the world that at  College students are Communists - if they are still Communist  at the age of 30 they are immature, 

The problem, is that the socialist system  forces people to pay ever-increasing taxation  and have to raise their children and make a living for themselves and their families the system just does not work anymore..   

However,   You work on an assumption that people di not in a changing world remain politically stagnant  - a rather superficial  and  is simplistic.   

            

Jun 08, 2021, 23:13

Well done, Draad

I knew Viskop wouldn't find the mistake in his numbers on his own.

Jun 08, 2021, 23:32

@CM


It is true that some people can become more conservative as they get older, but they're not suddenly going to join Qanon or other conspiracy movements. 

Conservatism also changes over time, and the traditional Christian conservative values are fading out over time. So, what it is to be conservative, changes. 
The younger conservatives will be more like EU conservatism.

So the Republican party itself will need to have a major overhaul to appeal to people in the future. If Trump goes down, he may try a Zuma and sell everyone out and destroy the whole party. 
However, the Democrats could split into 2 parties, becoming the right and left. 




Jun 09, 2021, 08:37

The Democrats for the years Trump  was President was the only conspiracy  movement  in the USA,   Lies were the reason for the two  Russian Hoaxes and the Trump so-called impeachments.

Your "some people" story is BS as well.    That aspect has been studied for decades and that some people in fact are 90% of the  students from Colleges - where they were indoctrinated and son realize that they must think for themselves to survive,            

Part of the legislation Trump supported were fairly liberal and your   idea about what he stood for and the religious issue is utter BS.     The vast majority of  Latinos  in the USA are Roman Catholics  an the countries they come  from  are known for corrupt  and so-called Socialist dictators.     The fact is that the institution that finally killed  of Communism in Russia was the Russian Orthodox Church and the religious believes of the Russians,     The Church was the  only institution  in Russia that was oppressed - but nor entirely banned by the Communists - and became the center of opposition  to the Communist Regime. 

The fact is that the Black community is more religious than the White Community in the USA,.    In 2016  94%  of the Blacks,   67%  of the  Latinos and 72%  of  the Jews voted for the Democratic Party,    In 2020  the corresponding stats were  80%,  58% and  70%..     Yet widespread attacks of the Democrats on the Jews    - physical as well as verbally - resulted in the Democrats panicking  and calling for an end to anti-Semitism  was a fear that like the Latinos the Jews will also change their political support,     

The other simplistic  approach you spout is that in the USA   the support base of the  Republicans are based on religion and the Democrats not so,   Religion had in fact  ZERO to do for which Party people voted for,    That is not the reason why the  Democrats lost  13 House seats in the 2020 election, -  the losses mainly in areas with a large Latino  vote component/   

It would be wise if you start evaluating  the situation objectively and not based on BS spread by the leftist media,    Basically there are a number of reasons  why the Democrats are losing support  at present,   Those relates to -

*     law and order and the campaign to defund the Police in Democratic controlled states and cities causing an upward surge in crime;  

*     the  Border crisis; 

*      inflation caused by socialist  spending by the present government,  

The one thing that could cause an immediate split  would be if substantial fraud is discovered in the election  now being audited  in various states.   We will have to wait and  see how that situation pans  out, but there is already rumors that the Democrats were  stupid - the mail in ballots were supposed to be folded to fit into  envelops and virtually all mail-in votes counted were without the folds necessary and there are videos indicating that the votes came in suitcases,    Simple - but extremely stupid.    The result of the first audit in Arizona will come out soon.     So lets wait and see what happens in Arizona,

If fraud in fact occurred the situation would be that -

*   the leftist media  will go ballistic in an effort to undermine the findings; and 

*   the Democrats will do what they did last year  and use their BLM and Antifa arms to riot in cities all over the USA.

Lets rather hope nothing substantial is found in the audit, - widespread election fraud would discredit the Democrats  totally -  so you better start praying to your Baal  it did not happen.   

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Jun 09, 2021, 14:44

What you are missing Shark is people migrate from Democrat to Republican as they become adults, work, have children and crucially pay taxes. Your notion that the same views prevail across the ages is faulty. Similar  age distribution charts could have been constructed 40 years ago.

The more relevant trend is the shift from Democrat to Republican among Latino voters, who just recently selected a Republican mayor in a Latino majority town in California. These people work hard and despise the handouts.

Jun 09, 2021, 14:57

I can provide charts from Pew Research that shows that people who have been Democrats in the last 20 years - are not moving to Republicans (These are people under 40, etc).

That may have happened in the past, but it is not happening now. 

I emphasized that many people get more conservative as they get older. I made this abundantly clear.
However, they are not going to become traditional Christian conservatives or join Qanon etc.
More EU style of conservatism.... (Repeat. Repeat). 
Constructive conservatism, not the alt-right Ku Klux Klan. Or the America master race of Trumpanzees.

Younger US people are less superficial and not one-dimensional consumers like the Republicans Dummies. They believe in looking after the environment and other life on earth. Unlike the shit associated with Trump. They are the only hope of the US. 

America's underbelly has been exposed to the world. They have lots of stupid people for a first-world country. Scrape away at the surface (materialism) - and all that is left is a consumer wanting to go to Mcdonalds. 

Many of the consumer Americans are addicted to buying stuff. They are so emotionally hollow - they need the short-term gratification of buying things so they can consume more or spending the day at Mcdonalds is also great fun. 

Jun 09, 2021, 15:37

Listen dimness - the KKK  was an organization started and nurtured by the Democrats,    Nobody with links to the KKK is allowed by the Republicans to any position in that Party - ot is banned totally by the  latter Party themselves. 

Do you really know what conservatism means - let me put it bluntly - it has ZERO or better still f#ck all to do with religion. 

Your charts are worth nothing.    The fact is that in 2016 the working class left the Democrats and voted Republican.   Wisconsin was a Democrat stronghold for three decades and  voted for Trump in 2016 - they changed their votes from Democrat to Republican in their tens of thousands,.   The same happened in Michigan and Pennsylvania.    That 20 years chart is another leftwing phony you believe in. 

There was less air pollution in the USA in the three years  of the Trump Administration when the USA was not part of the Paris Treaty than there is now.    The  "shit"  you associated with Trump was  to deal with real issues on a realistic and honest basis - the  real shit of Biden causes crisis after crisis..   

Your last sentence is totally incoherent   and has zero to do with politics.      .                   

Jun 09, 2021, 18:29

So, how many years until the USA is 100 and 50 gazillion % Dem, Viskop?

Promise me that you'll stay away from numbers for the next month.

Certainly keep away from numbers when an obvious variable requires including.

...because apparently nothing, and I mean nothing, is obvious enough for you.

Jun 09, 2021, 20:34

Denial...

Jun 10, 2021, 01:17

Nonsense….older people shifting to the Republican party is still happening. You simply don’t understand what you are being fed.

Firstly many, many Dems are still totally bought into the American way of life and insist on it….there is no wholesale movement to radically change the country.

Secondly the parties are not cast in concrete, both parties want to win and that requires adapting if views change. Most politicians that are Dems would be Republicans if that’s what would get them elected and vice versa. They reflect the opportunities in their constituencies.

You are naively believing a good guys/bad guys narrative that simply doesn’t exist.

Jun 10, 2021, 06:54

The funny part is that, outside of Trump, VisKop identifies mostly with conservative politics.

And actually, if we were to remove Trump's name, Vissie would find himself supporting almost all of Trump's policies and ideas. 

Cognitive dissonance filtered through a healthy dollop of brainwashing.

Does anyone here remember our resident Fishbrain ever actually speaking to any of Trump's policies?

Outside of some garbage about taxation, I can't remember any.

To disprove what I said above, simply give us two lists...a) Trumps policies with which you agree b) those with which you do not.

I mean, I could probably make the lists myself but it would only be fair to give SussieVissie and chance to do it himself.

I'll pre-insert VisKop's cop-out here for the sake of expediency;

"Being a president is about more than good/great policies."


Jun 10, 2021, 10:19

If Sharkbok is indeed conservative and not a centrist then he's definitely not the only conservative who disliked Bozo and switched allegiances while the disgraceful piece of human slime was US president. There are literally millions of other conservatives who were appalled by Bozo's self-serving and incompetent leadership.

Bozo's policies regarding foreign affairs, the wall, the trade wars, the Trumpvirus and pretty much anything else you brainwashed Trumpanzees care to mention were all disasters. The man was a clown who never had the intelligence, the maturity or the integrity to hold any kind of office, let alone president of the USA. 

Jun 10, 2021, 12:33

One for you ButtPlug...


May be an image of 10 people and text that says "The devil's best best work was being able to convince Evangelicals that a vulgar, greedy, racist man who has 5 children with 3 wives, pays porn stars for sex, gropes women, incites violence, and never tells the truth, was sent here by god. OCCUPY DEMOCRATS"

Jun 10, 2021, 12:35

The current Republican Party in the US is a disgrace to the ideology of conservatism. 

Yet when the simple Bible folk like DumbMike go to Church, their pastor tells to vote for Trump. 



Jun 10, 2021, 14:15

I have not been to church thus far this year and last year only went for the Christmas service,  I am not a religious fanatic anyway,   No church pastor will tell me what to do.   The Blacks are told by their pastors to vote for the Democratic Party and that is very real.    

Why is it a disgrace to pass legislation that factually help  upward mobility of the Black community and limit abortions and single parent families - instead of keeping them poor and jobless and making them dependent on the state for grants and food parcels?    Why is it a disgrace to help the working class families and in general keep centrists approach towards political policy,     Name me some examples of the disgrace you refer to please.   I like factual ionformation not political lies and misrepresentation please.   .          

Jun 10, 2021, 14:49

Still no mention of those policies, huh FishBrain?

 
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