Atheists are a small fringe movement of loons in the world. Here is the proof.

Forum » Beenos Trumpet » Atheists are a small fringe movement of loons in the world. Here is the proof.

May 06, 2019, 10:47

Hey DA i am not a nobody buddy! Many like me have protested. However don't expect Christian protests to get much publicity. But yes Christians need to be more vocal. The persecution of Christians is thankfully waking a sleeping giant. All over the place Christians are getting very involved in the fight against Globalism and ts progressive perverts. The Christians in the USA are becoming very vocal. However few of them would even know about Folau.

The worst thing enemies of Christianity can do is persecute the Church. The Church in China has been severely persecuted but now is over 100 million strong!

What is the total number of Christians in China including the underground church?

At a closed-door meeting at Peking University in 2006, Xiaowen Ye, the then head of the Chinese Communist Party's Religious Affairs Bureau reported that Protestants in China numbered 110 million.

Applying the same 6.5% annual growth rate to this figure for the 12 years since 2006 indicates 234 million* as the total number of Protestants in China in 2018.

Why do surveys report figures below 100 million?

Chinese Christians are persecuted for their faith (see Christian persecution in China), so survey that ask about their faith are far less reliable than the numbers compiled by the Chinese government's intelligence services for their internal use.

It is generally accepted that China has between 2 to 4 times more underground church Christians than Three Self church Christians. Ratios of 2, 3 and 4 underground church Christians for every Three Self church Christian yield 147 million, 196 million and 245 million, respectively, as the total number of Christians in China in 2018 (the 234 million figure above indicates this ratio to be 3.8 to 1)."

China's Christians already outnumber American Christians, as well as Chinese Communist Party members, yet still comprise less than 20% of China's 1.4 billion people.

Christianity in China took root after Robert Morrison, a missionary and sinologist with the London Missionary Society, arrived in 1807 and translated the first Chinese Bible in 1819.

During the 200 years since then, Christianity in China was tested and grew through fiery trials, including the Taiping Rebellion (1850-1664), Mao's Cultural Revolution (1966-1976, see Project Pearl), and persecution by the Chinese Communist Party (1948-present).

Clowns suggesting the death of Christianity have no idea what they are talking about - as per usual.Jesus said HE would build His Church and the GATES OF HELL (yes Hell exists) would not prevail against it. These atheists have NO idea who they are up against.

According to 2011 Pew Research Center survey, there are 2.18 billion Christians around the world in 2010.  These puny atheists better watch out who they rile up. 

According to sociologists Ariela Keysar and Juhem Navarro-Rivera's review of numerous global studies on atheism, there are 450 to 500 million positive atheists and agnosticsworldwide (7% of the world's population), with China having the most atheists in the world (200 million convinced atheists)

Strip out out the agnostics and maybe the atheists number 3 or 4% of the world's population. Not that you would think it given the rants of the Globalist MSM. Not many people are stupid enough to believe the Universe created itself out of nothing. Bwahahahahahhahahahahaha

My this is such a great post it needs its own thread!!!

May 06, 2019, 11:15

Thank you Beeno

I often laugh at some of your posts about Christianity, because you sometimes go over the top and do and say some really funny or stupid things... and I mean that in a nice way

At least you do it with a reasonable amount of respect towards your fellow posters

Your fellow avid Christian, CC, should maybe go back to church, and revaluate what it really means to live like a true Christian, because from what I see on here, he has some serious learning and growing up to do, in the Christian household

It's absolutely hilarious how he purports to be a true Christian, but never once...… not once.....has he acted like one, on this forum

Actions are louder than words……...

May 06, 2019, 12:33

Things have gone so far south thanks to the atheist perverts that a harsh response is long overdue. We will NEVER accept the ever increasing levels of degeneracy being pushed by these degens.

May 06, 2019, 13:07

So Scandinavia is a den of evil and sin it it beeno. Religion is almost dead in these countries  but they experience the lowest crime/rape/ murder rates in the world and enjoy the highest level of happiness and living standards. Your god has a funny way of punishing us Atheist.

In reverse the more religious a society the higher crime/murder/rape there is with the most unhappy people. Funny way of rewarding his followers.

How do you explain this?

May 06, 2019, 19:02


Are you sure religion is almost dead in Scandinavian  countries - seems you have overstated the situation:-

"A recent survey by the Church of Sweden found that about two-thirds of the country’s 9.4 million people belong to the church. Yet only 15 percent of church members say they believe in Jesus Christ. An equal percentage of Swedes call themselves atheists. And only about 400,000 of the roughly 6.6 million members of the church say they attend services at least once a month.

The survey, conducted by Jonas Bromander, chief analyst of the Church of Sweden, also found that membership continues to decline (at an accelerating pace), from about 95 percent of the population 40 years ago to the historically low 68.8 percent today.

Church membership in other Scandinavian countries has also fallen. The Church of Norway, for example, has seen its membership decline from 86.6 percent of the population in 2001 to 76.9 percent in 2011. Similarly, in Denmark, membership has dipped from roughly 85 percent to about 80 percent in the same period. And in Finland, the comparable numbers are 85 percent and 77 percent."

Seems to be a bit of an overstatement on your part.   Furthermore in many countries in Europe there are still Church Taxes paid to the Government and the majority still pay the taxes willingly and only a minority would opt out if they are given the chance  to do so.

The fact that less people regularly attend church services does not mean they do not have religious tendency - matter of fact the people use Sundays for relaxatiobn and often go outdoors  for relaxation purposes.  

As to crime rate it is also a problem - the influx of mostly Muslim migrants has resulted in cities have the highest  rape rate of any country in Europe and there are scial problems resulting in serious crime problems in  Sweden.   The same applies in Finland, Norway and Denmark and in Denmark and Norway they are trying to reduce the influx of foreigners associated with sharp increases of criminality.   

The situation is better than in most countries in the world - the social system introduced by Government has ha an impact on reduced crime rates, but migrants threaten the peaceful environment found in Scandinavian  countries.   



May 06, 2019, 19:03

Welcome to Sweden, the rape capital of the world. Not only is our country at the top of Europe's list of the highest number of reported rapes, according to the OECD, only Australia has had more reported rapes than Sweden

Have you any clue whatsoever old crust! The atheists being the nutjobs they are opened Sweden to muslim invaders and now they have big crime, no go areas and endemic RAPE.

To see how crazy the atheists are read this (One can only hope old crust is the most ll informed kiwi) around but that is probably not the case

Violent crime in Sweden is soaring. When will politicians act?

January was a particularly violent month in Sweden. A 63-year-old man was killed in Stockholm by a hand grenade lying in the street. A Dutch exchange student was hit by a stray bullet during an execution-style killing at a pizza restaurant in Uppsala. In Gothenburg, a hand grenade was thrown into a flat and exploded in the kitchen — the same predominantly immigrant-populated suburb where an eight-year-old British boy was killed in a grenade attack less than two years ago. In Malmö, a grenade was tossed at a police station and exploded outside. So it has not, so far, been a very happy new year.

For Swedes, this has become a familiar theme. Gun violence is on the rise, with daylight shootings and without regard for bystanders. In the past nine years, reported and attempted murders involving guns have almost doubled. According to Swedish police, hand-grenade attacks (which were virtually unknown until a few years ago) are without parallel in countries not at war.

The grenades — dubbed ‘apples’ by criminals — are smuggled into the country from former Yugoslavia. They are plentiful in the black market for weapons after the wars in the Balkans and are sold cheaply, or even handed out as freebies upon purchase of assault rifles. Stockholm police recently put a figure on it: less than £890 can buy you five automatic weapons and ammunition with 64 hand grenades as a sweetener. The grenades can, of course, be sold on. The street price in Sweden is about £100.

Since explosives are not weapons to keep at home, criminals are likely to use them once they are in possession of them. Thus police describe hand-grenade attacks as ‘a trend’ among gangs in Sweden.

Yet it’s still hard for Swedish authorities to be frank about what’s going on (IF LIKE POOR OLD CRUST YOU GET YOUR NEWS FROM FAKE NEWS CNN OR ANY GLOBALIST CONTROLLED MSM YOU WONT HEAR ABOUT THIS AS THEY WANT TO COVER UP THEIR DISASTROUS POLICIES) It’s widely known that gang members are mainly first- and second-generation immigrants, and problems are rampant in what police euphemistically refer to as ‘vulnerable areas’. Thus the gang wars serve as a constant reminder of Sweden’s failed migration and integration policies. This is a problem for the government (and even the opposition) in a country that prides itself on being a ‘humanitarian superpower’. And yet politicians, in government and opposition, seem particularly concerned that violence in immigrant suburbs is a PR problem, a threat to the image of Sweden, and that the remedy is spin.

To that end, the Ministry for Foreign Affairs has launched a page on its official website, purporting to address claims that no one is making, such as ‘the high level of immigration means that the system in Sweden is on the verge of collapse’. No one says collapse; but charges of trouble or violence are hard to deny if you pick up a newspaper. Another official campaign says the ‘no-go zones’ are in fact ‘go-go zones’. Try telling that to Gordon Grattidge, head of the paramedics union Alarm/Ambulansförbundet. He once told me that members are not allowed to enter some Swedish neighbourhoods without police protection.

Firefighters face the same reality. In November, some 50 cars were torched in a garage in a mainly immigrant suburb in Uppsala. Despite citizens repeatedly calling the emergency services, it took three hours before the fire department showed up — protected by police equipped with riot gear and machine-guns.

Paramedics and firefighters are not the only ones who have to take precautions before entering ‘vulnerable areas’. The Stockholm suburb of Tensta had free parking for months, after the area was deemed too dangerous for traffic wardens to enter. The Swedish Postal Service has for periods of time not been delivering packages to a crime-ridden neighbourhood in central Malmö(VERY BAD AREA OAKS!). A number of public libraries have had to reduce their opening hours or even close temporarily in response to harassment by gangs of youths.

After the latest explosions and shootings, Isabella Lövin, Deputy Prime Minister and leader of the Green party, turned her ire towards those who express alarm over violent crime in Sweden. How can anyone talk about chaos in Sweden, she asked. ‘The truth is that we are a country that gives the rest of the democratic world hope.’ She takes pride in running the ‘world’s first feminist government’ but she has made it a political priority to play down growing numbers of violent crime, rapes included. It’s a form of denial usually associated with non-democratic states or nations in decline.

When it comes to dealing with the surge in violent crime, the government’s strategy seems less clear. There is currently an amnesty for guns, allowing criminals to hand them over to police without penalty in order to get some of the weapons off the streets. The government has also announced a plan for a hand grenade amnesty, but it’s unclear why radicalised gang members would return explosives. The Prime Minister, Stefan Löfven, even raised the prospect of sending in the army — which caused such a reaction that he quickly rowed back. He never did clarify exactly what the military could do that our police cannot.

The Prime Minister’s wavering shows what happens when you fail to integrate immigrants and instead tolerate the creation of a society within a society (CAN ANYTHING BE NG BE MORE PROFOUDLY STUPID THAN AN ATHEIST GOVERNMENT UNLESS THERE IS OF COURSE SOME VERY EVIL PLAN BEING WORKED OUT) : the police are unable to protect or to gather proper knowledge of these new communities full of people who tend not to speak the language. Representatives of the Swedish state — paramedics, social workers and even librarians — are met with aggression.(NOW WHO WOULD HAVE ANTICIPATED ALL THIS!)

This has led the Swedish police into an identity crisis of its own. Its officers have been the targets of a number of attacks, most recently explosions aimed at police in southern Sweden. Dan Eliasson, departing head of the national police, complains that investigations are made difficult because no one will talk to the police. The kind of social contract between state and society that leads citizens to help the authorities is not working in those parts of Sweden where police are seen as the enemy.

The police’s language is often sympathetic rather than condemnatory. Linda Staaf, a police chief, has pointed out that grenade-throwing is dangerous because those who pull out the pin ‘expose themselves to a huge risk (SHE MUST BE A DUMBASS ATHEIST!T!!!. Jan Evensson, Stockholm’s police chief, also makes his case on compassionate grounds: ‘It’s hard to be a criminal. We want to help them get out of it.’ This famously soft approach once worked well in Sweden, but society has changed and the authorities have not kept up. For the political establishment it seemed for a long time as if all this trouble might not affect everyday life for the Swedish middle class.

That, too, may be changing. In the past weeks, children in the well-off Stockholm suburb of Nacka have been victims of robberies by masked gangs who are suspected of travelling from other parts of the city. Children as young as nine have been robbed at knifepoint. The outrage that followed the robberies in Nacka also serves as a reminder of how deeply divided Swedish society has become among lines of class and ethnicity.

In an immigrant neighbourhood in Gothenburg, nursery and pre-school children took to the streets with their teachers as long ago as 2014 to protest against gang violence after almost a dozen shootings in the area in a few months, including one in the pre-school yard. They even wrote a letter to the gangsters: ‘Our children don’t come to pre-school because their parents are afraid. And they are afraid of you. And when children do come to pre-school, their parents beg us to keep the children inside.’

Nevertheless, two years later, a hand grenade went off in the apartment next door, killing British boy Yuusuf Warsame. After his murder, a teacher said: ‘It’s terrible to say, but we’re beginning to get used to it.’ In such neighbourhoods, this is the tragic reality: people are growing acclimatised to violence, in the way that the Swedish middle classes have not (so far) had to. They can afford to be philosophical about immigration and the new criminal trends, to ignore the problem and hope that it goes away. It’s safe to say, by now, that this has not worked. Whether Sweden’s political class can come up with a more effective solution is another question. 


May 06, 2019, 19:33

ou maaaaikie some Swedes may be playing at Church but are definitely NOT Christian. The whole open borders Globalist Community is made up of Satanists and atheists. Many atheists are after all Satanists who haven't come out of the closet.

Read Revelations if you want to see the endgame of the Globalists. We know exactly what they are up to.

May 06, 2019, 21:30

May 08, 2019, 10:51

It really amazes me at times how people insist on telling Christians how to behave.

They know nothing about our faith ... and yet they're always there dictating to us. We are allowed to do this ... but not that ... we are allowed to say this ... but not that!

We are always expected to turn the other cheek. We aren't allowed to be a aggressive ... we aren't allowed to fight back ... we must simple take whatever you throw at us with a smile.

We are expected to be wimps ... easy prey ... soft and gentle ... pussies ... and yet Jesus took a whip to those defiling the temple.   

They even draw Angels to look like little fat kids with chubby, rosy cheeks ... and tiny little wings ... dressed in a white robe, holding a harp in one hand.

They'd shit themselves if ever they saw what an Angel actually looks like.

DA ... please bring your tearful rant to an end. I am not going to be who you want me to be. I will give an account to Him for the life I've lived and Him alone. 

Not you!


May 08, 2019, 12:25

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May 08, 2019, 13:28



Lying to yourself only justifies your behaviour in your own eyes.

Do you think God buys it for even a moment?

Thanks for the look into your "mind" though.

May 08, 2019, 14:01

Nope CC what pisses you off is you cant get away with dictating how other people live.

We dont give a shit about your christianity, you are free to practice it how ever you want just dont tell us what to do.

As far as i know there are no laws in SA barring you from practicing christianity.

Amazes me how you lot like feel you have the right to tell others how to live.

The persecuted Christian is getting old, sure there are persecuted christians in the world but that is from competing religions.

Your just pissed because your not getting your own way any more.

May 08, 2019, 14:02

Secular countries and Atheists are your friend, other religions are your enemy the sooner you realise that the better.

May 08, 2019, 20:36

Nonsense Sader. Where in Western Civilization is Christianity forced on anyone, yet some secular BS is forced on everyone.  Why are Christians forced by law to bake wedding caces for gay couples? Why must Folau be castigated and fored just for sharing his views on morality? Are we heading to mob rule where the majority will tell everyone what is good for them, what they must eat, where they should live?...etc. PC is BS. Why must you agree with everyone just not to hurt their feelings?

Why is it so important for atheists to p!ss on religion everyday? Why can't you just ignore the odd Bible basher? You guys are just as obsessive about your supposed "non faith" than you accuse Christians of being about their faith.

May 09, 2019, 07:44

"DA ... please bring your tearful rant to an end. I am not going to be who you want me to be"


This is from the board Christian who has been preaching to all and sundry about how bad they are and how they need to become a true Christian, to be a better person, but swears and uses despicable and disgusting language to get these Christian messages across every day

You really can't script this bullshit

As I said CC, you are the worst possible example of a Christian, and I say this with complete honesty...….. You are an atheist.... because I don't know of another Christian who behaves every single day, like you do.

Put the bible away, no more pretending...…. come to the other side

May 09, 2019, 07:46

"You guys are just as obsessive about your supposed "non faith" than you accuse Christians of being about their faith."

Bullshit Db

There are far more instances of attacks from Christians directly against athiests, on this board alone, to prove otherwise

May 09, 2019, 08:40

Thats your idea of persecution?

Your taking the piss right?

Just because its your religious belief you have the right to discriminate against other people. So your fine with islamist that think its ok to kill non believers? Its a fuckin cake, how can making a wedding cake make you break your vows to your god? Baking a cake isnt condoning gay marriage is it? 

As to your religion being forced on us i have clearly covered that before which from memory you chose to ignore (if i am wrong on this point i appologise) but your religion is doing this.

As for Atheists pissing on your religion every day,  If you cant handle people questioning your beliefs then dont go on forums that this issue comes up. Go live in your bubble

May 09, 2019, 09:04

Trouble is when you ask dumbass atheists the most fundamental question the FOOLS  have no answer. 

Outside of China there are only around 250 million of the FOOLS  around. Think of what a small number this is. Truly they are a fringe element of lunatics. 

Morally they are bankrupt and support perverts at every turn. They disgust me! In atheist ruled California they are insisting that children of 5 be taught about being trans.

I must find that article and post it. 

Folks just treat the hapless atheist as the lunatic fringe element they are. Hahahahaha aren't their pretentious amazing. 

May 09, 2019, 09:09

Beeno you do know that atheist simply means we dont believe in a god. Claiming all Atheists believe all the same things shows your ignorance and your stupidity

May 09, 2019, 09:22

Says Beeno, the copy and paste board Christian

You honestly believe that taking written samples or videos from other websites, and constantly posting them here for others to read and watch, is going to convert someone to Christianity?

When I ask interesting or difficult questions on here, because I myself don't have the answers to those questions, then some on here will immediately and constantly attack me and call me all kinds of disgusting names, and interestingly, it is always the same "Christian" posters.

All these ugly names, just because I ask questions...… absolutely nothing more.... and if you don't believe me, go and have another look at my posts.

I ask questions that I do not have the answers to, but wish to see someone else's opinion or perspective on, but it just leads to insults and ugly replies, from the very same people, every time.

That is why I respond back by saying, well if that is the Christian thing to do, then I would rather be an atheist every day of the week.

I maintain what I have said before, and this is what I truly believe, unless someone else can explain it differently to me...… I honestly see CC and Beeno and a homosexual person as exactly the same...… not one iota of a difference in my mind...……... because at any second of any given day......they can all each ask God for forgiveness, repent for their sins...... and all go to heaven together...…. so how does that make Beeno or CC any better or any different from any gay person?

May 09, 2019, 09:48

I dont think here is the right place to get an honest answer somehow. If you want different peoples views thats fine but if your looking for the truth this is the last place for that:D

May 09, 2019, 15:33

Lol @ Crusadersfan

I fully agree......

I guess it's more to the point that certain people on here cannot offer their own opinion on certain questions, without completely insulting that poster, or using disgusting language, every single time.

Every time that I have seen a different or opposing view to my own religious beliefs, I have always respectfully responded that it was an interesting point of view, or fascinating take on it, or even "Thanks, I never looked at it like that before"

Then you get the staunch board Christians, and there are really only two very vocal one's here, who will just insult you from the very first word that they post, and I just find it so hypocritical to post to me, telling me what I should be doing to become a true Christian person, but insulting me whilst you demand that I do it.

Not the best examples of Christian behaviour …….to try and convince someone else to join your ranks :)

May 09, 2019, 16:47

Thankfully most christians are not like beeno and cc.

May 09, 2019, 16:56

If hell actually existed, and you had to rank the two people who are most likely to go to hell from this board, who would they be? :D

1. CleanCut (Aka Lost Sheep, Dirty Mutt). 
2. Beeno. (Copy and paste - but no underlying morals).

Both are limited to copying and pasting but have no understanding of how to apply morals in their day to day lives. :( Preach the word of God, and do the opposite. Condemn people to hell to feel more secure about their own after-life prospects - despite the guilt of sinning. 

CleanCut and Beeno would be the Devils gay bitches in hell. 

May 09, 2019, 17:38

May 09, 2019, 07:46

"You guys are just as obsessive about your supposed "non faith" than you accuse Christians of being about their faith."

Bullshit Db

There are far more instances of attacks from Christians directly against athiests, on this board alone, to prove otherwise

Please elaborate. I always try not to be abusive, so I hope I did not offend . 

From where I stand, I can see only 3 outspoken Christians here. ...and quite a few outspoken Atheists. Some rude, some all other people.

You and CC were at each other's throats long before religion was mentioned.  I'd say it's about an even spread with rudeness and tolerance on each side.

May 09, 2019, 17:42

Sader, where in todays world is Christianity forced on anyone?

Let's take small steps, just give 2 examples....I'm not trying to be snotty or argumentative.  This is a honest open minded discussion from my side.

May 09, 2019, 18:03

1) actively against euthanasia 

2) actively against stem cell research

3) support abstinence to young people and no sex education therefore promoting STDs and teen pregnancy (a by product of teaching abstinence) check the rates in the deep south of america which are the most religious

May 09, 2019, 18:04

Folau tried to force his religious opinion onto other people. (E.g. if you don't follow his set of beliefs you go to hell). 

His God is one of many Gods. (It is not a fact, not matter how strong your belief's). 
His interpretation of Christianity is one of many. 

Part of all religion is to push it onto other people and convert them to that religion. (E.g. The Missionaries of colonialism- and how Islanders learned about Christianity). 

Part of Antitheism is to push the abolishment of religion onto other people. 

It's par for the course....

May 09, 2019, 18:20

I personally am fine with him having these beliefs but i am uncomfortable with him using his position to threaten people.

There are vunerable people that are confused about these things, they dont need people like this threatening them.

I am sure some of my friends hold these beliefs and i dont think any worse of them (yes i have religious friends)

Nothing in this world is black and white and i know some of my opinions contradict others but that is just the way it is.

And by the Draad i think your a good man and happy to discuss things as you are not closed minded like those other 2.

I am sorry if I offend you and your beliefs at times which I know I do but thats just my argumentive side coming out in me 

May 09, 2019, 19:20


Draad is a big boy. Not pretty, but tough haha

If anything it's me you should apologise too.


Your geographical location offends me.

Out with it. 

I'm waiting.

May 09, 2019, 19:34

I am sitting in a gogo bar in nana plaza, pissed and listening to AC/DC. 

I have no problem admitting  it.

That should get the rightious up in arms but i dont give a shit.

May 09, 2019, 19:38

And go fuck yourself, i am not apologising to you for my choices.

And by the way my girlfriend knows I am here.

May 09, 2019, 20:09

Well Beeno there are just some lost souls on this forum ,nothing more ,nothing less.
The problem is when one of them gets into power ,then all hell breaks loose.

The evangelical explosion in China is being met with some harsh means though by that atheist government.Then again Christianity thrives under persecution.I've watch some street preachers in Australia and notice how they get heckled and abused.Here in SA we are blessed that preaching around stations and on trains is sought after,rather than condemned.

May 09, 2019, 20:18

Hows the moral high ground looking then Plum, not the answer you were expecting?

Come on man let me have it I am ready hahaha wanker.

Just love the moral indignation from the rightious who love to think themselves above their fellow man.

May 09, 2019, 20:56

Haha Sader

I was kidding with you guy.

As you said, you've had a few, no problem.

The AC/DC must be getting to you...Shooting from the hip and all ;)

May 09, 2019, 21:01

Moved on to tool and pearl jam

Life is good.

May 09, 2019, 21:07

Off to a street bar for a few more shortly and get slaughtered them home to see the Mrs.

Cant beat this for a fun night.

Come over and i will buy you a beer or two. Will show you a fun night

May 09, 2019, 21:23

Sader, you guys have Plum wrong.:D.

1) actively against euthanasia 

2) actively against stem cell research

3) support abstinence to young people and no sex education therefore promoting STDs and teen pregnancy (a by product of teaching abstinence) check the rates in the deep south of america which are the most religious

1. Actively against abortion too, especially late term abortion...why did you not mention that? Look, most western countries are secular, so if Christians are influencing some things with their vote, its the same thing as any other group using influence. That's not exactly the same thing as forcing religion on someone   It's a debate about morality. 

2. Do you know where most of the stem cels come from?...hell yeah!, I'm against it, but yet again, it's not forced on anyone on religious grounds. It's a question about life and morality...opposing views from all spectrums, not religious people only.

3. Again, having an opinion about something and  voicing that opinion is not forcing anyone to do anything.

Some things are clearly wrong, regardless of religion, but it seems like some will oppose something just because Christians are for it...and vice versa. 

May 09, 2019, 21:42

Folau tried to force his religious opinion onto other people. (E.g. if you don't follow his set of beliefs you go to hell). 

His God is one of many Gods. (It is not a fact, not matter how strong your belief's). 
His interpretation of Christianity is one of many. 

Part of all religion is to push it onto other people and convert them to that religion. (E.g. The Missionaries of colonialism- and how Islanders learned about Christianity). 

Part of Antitheism is to push the abolishment of religion onto other people. 

It's par for the course....

What a crock of...

Are you deliberately being stupid, or is this your actual view? If you are serious, does the stupid hurt?

He did not force his views on anyone, he expressed them. He did not threaten anyone, he just gave his opinion about something. 
He did not force anyone to listen to him or agree with him. What is so difficult to understand? If you don't agree, say so and go on with your life, but nooo,...!!! Folau must be banned from ever playing rugby again, because he hurt a few feelings. Horse sh!t! 
This kind of Stalinist intolerant BS will kill our Western Civilization...and by the time you fools realize that, it will be too late.

May 09, 2019, 22:02

He might not have but his followers do.

You have your view but i see the opposite. I see the stupid coming from your side but hey we all have our own views.

I find it strange that the devil is more powerful than your god and your god is unwilling to stop him..

If your god exists why is he unwilling to save us atheist?

May 09, 2019, 22:39

Rugby Australia is trying to sell a product to as many people as possible. They want a team that can get as much support as possible - and represent as many groups as possible (even Christians..). 

If a member of the Wallaby team was posting on social media that Christians worship a false God and are hypocrites and liars etc - it would be offensive. 

This anti-Christan Wallaby may believe this 100% - but expressing it on social media would not serve any purpose.
This would be disruptive to the preparations of the Australian world cup. 

Australian Christians would be in uproar - and they would not respect this anti-Christian wallaby player right to freedom of speech - even if it "did not harm anyone".

The anti-Christian player would be subject to to the exact same treatment as Israel Folau....

May 10, 2019, 03:31

You would think Australian Christians would be in an uproar over drunkards, adulterers, liars and idolaters .....maybe there are more gays in OZ than Christians.

May 10, 2019, 03:47 have a point there about aussies heckling missionaries. I do know from some good Mormon friends that their son and daughter served missions in Australia and found they are the hardest people to convert. They said Polynesians and some ethnic groups were the most likely to hear the message because they were the most humble.

That makes me wonder why so many got upset at the ‘homosexuals’ being singled out by Folau and not the rest. Perhaps in a city where the Mardi Gras parade is bigger than a Bledisloe cup match it makes sense.

May 10, 2019, 05:49

Rugby Australia is trying to sell a product to as many people as possible. They want a team that can get as much support as possible - and represent as many groups as possible (even Christians..). 

Yes, but they should still operate within the confines of the law and not trample the rights of their employees.  I don't know if they are right or wrong, that's for the courts to decide, but to fire an employee in the media before even speaking to him, never mind having a hearing, is plain stupid.

May 10, 2019, 06:52

Totally agree’s the PC brigade run by Castle and her cohort Jones.  It will ruin AR and put an end to her career and I’m pretty sure Izzy is saying ‘if I go down, they do too.’  But one thing is for sure, it will go on and on for as long as the River Nile.

May 10, 2019, 09:04

Old crust fan God is not willing that any should perish but that all should be saved. But guess what you are not actually a Robot, and you can seek God or not. 

Let's get down to brass tacts.  Why are you not saved. What is your excuse. 

May 10, 2019, 11:45

Still waiting for any proof beeno. As long as your god continues to hide i will continue as an atheist.

Its up to him, if he wanted to save me why doesn't he?

May 10, 2019, 12:08

You don't want to be saved. You hate God. So God allows you to go your way. 

You insist there is actually no God at all. This despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. 

You prefer the darkness to the light. Jesus said if you seek Him in Earnest YOU WILL FIND. Thus I am assured you have NEVER sought God in earnest. In fact you are very proud of your atheist stance. You think it's being very clever.

But God calls you a FOOL. And indeed you are, only you don't know just how much of  FOOL  you are. Wake old crust you are lost and need saving. There is only One Saviour Jesus Christ - God the Son. 

May 10, 2019, 15:36

Well i need more proof than what i have seen so far.

If your god is the all loving then i dont need saving as isn't forgiveness he main thing. If he wants to torture me foe eternity for my beliefs so be it but i will know i am better than your vindictive murderour thug.

The god of your bible does not deserve worshipping

May 10, 2019, 16:52

Sader, God isn't gonna torture anyone.  He is going to withdraw His Grace from those who reject Jesus. The torture will be self inflicted.

May 10, 2019, 17:30

So what is the difference  to my life now?

May 10, 2019, 17:32

I would prefer people to address God as : "The God I believe in", rather than just as God.

God sounds like everyone shares the same God. I don't like it when people generalize their God as everyone's God. 

The Jew God, The Muslim God, the Christian God are either different Gods, or different interpretations, or just different interpretations within the same religion itself.

Everyone who believes in their own God, thinks the other God's are BS. In fact, religions teach that all other religions are BS.

Like Richard Dawkins says - everyone is at least 99% atheists. 

Imagine Richard Dawkins was in the Wallabies team - that would really annoy the Christians while he posted on social media making jokes of their beliefs during the test season. 
The Muslims would want to blow him up. Not sure what the Jews would think or do.

May 10, 2019, 17:33

If i go to the pit of fire for eternal torture he might not be doing the actual torture but he is responsible for it. If not then hitler as innocent as he never tortured anyone he just ordered it to be done.

May 10, 2019, 17:54

Someone is drowning. You throw him a life-saver-ring on a rope. He refuses to grab it to be hauled to safety because he doesn't believe in life savers....and then he blames the life saver for not saving him....

Stupid analogy I know, but still...

May 10, 2019, 18:05

Well i am still waiting for him to throw the bloody rope mate, guess he is asleep on duty 

May 10, 2019, 18:29

Make a nigga smoke a whole sack of dope

Writing rhymes tryna bring back the hope

Try to ride the storm out but crashed the boat

Could've drowned, but I grabbed the rope

May 10, 2019, 18:38

Man thats some shit weed you been smoking to come up with that

May 10, 2019, 18:50

It's J Cole

Actually a pretty decent track. 

It's called Rich Niggaz.

Has a nice hook.

How was the hangover?

May 10, 2019, 19:02

Didnt have one but trying again tonight :D

May 10, 2019, 20:03

Sader, here is my take, for what it's worth.

Christians don't know that God exists. They don't know that he created everything. They believe he did and have faith in their belief. 

You might have a near death experience and it might shift your paradigm to correspond with theirs. Or it may not. You might lose someone and that may or may not make one sympathetic to religious ideas. You never know. 

All of the above might be totally irrelevant to you and it may also not matter.

The spiritual connection that one can feel to the world around you and the universe at large does not always rely on doctrine or faith to manifest.

Compassion and humility don't need any belief. Sure, habitual religious practices might make you, to some degree, more likely to exhibit those characteristics. Then again, the best sermon in the world might not shift your character one inch either way.

You don't need religion to feel a deeper connection to the world and the creatures that live on it. I know that you already know this.

The fact that you are self aware and feel overwhelming empathy for a wounded animal or are humbled by the power and majesty of nature is proof that even if you don't have a soul, you have an unbreakable and complicated connection to your world.

Your personal respect for the universe is not necessarily a binary affair either.

It's possible to accept that there may be a creator and contemplate your gratitude and respect to it. At the same time you could also wonder about the mystery of a creatorless universe and marvel at the precise and intricate consequences it brought about.

You don't have to choose because either of those paths lead you on a similar path of self reflection and contemplation, ultimately leaving you humbled, grateful and drenched in reverence.

They are both spiritual journeys and the only difference is the details. Christians will say that it's all about the details. Sure, for them it may be. Does what they think make any difference to your journey? Of course not. Let them walk their path.

I realised the above during moment when circumstances brought me, in relatively quick succession, to appreciate power, beauty, mercy and connection. I wasn't in danger, in love or in any other particularly traumatic situation. So it wasn't "lucky to be alive syndrome".

It was an unnatractive unknown women, singing a repetitive chant in a language that I didn't understand. Her voice and the way it changed tone was the vehicle for a spiritual experience that no book, words or habitual practice has ever matched for me.

I could exaggerate and say that I have been a different person ever since, but that would be a lie. 

In reality, I had goosebumps for about 10 minutes and it took some days for me to assimilate the experience. 

What made it spiritual(or as close as I've experienced)?

The fact that to this day I can recall exactly how I felt and if I think about it for a while, those goosebumps come back. The fact that I remembered some of the words she used and when I looked it up I discovered that the chant was about paying respect to creation. 

My feeling is that different belief systems bring people to a similar place. I'd rather discuss that than argue over the details.

May 10, 2019, 21:10

Plum, interesting...there is truth and a mathematical order to the universe...too much for blind chance...having said that, I do believe that we have been deceived and that the "real message" has been hidden a bit....

May 11, 2019, 12:05

Very good post plum even I will admit that. Almost brought a tear to my eye. Almost.....

May 12, 2019, 08:58

Thanks Cloudy and Draad.

Seems we are able to arrive somewhere semi-positive if we try :)

May 12, 2019, 09:22

‘My feeling is that different belief systems bring people to a similar place. I'd rather discuss that than argue over the details.’


May 12, 2019, 11:45

I think I know what Plum means...

Some music is very deep and stirring...this is one, Now we are free from The Gladiator.

Words are meaningful in a wider English captions

May 12, 2019, 14:54

Christians don't know that God exists. They don't know that he created everything. They believe he did and have faith in their belief. 

Here Plum goes badly astray. The Apostle Paul met Christ on the way to damascus. Genuine Christians will always say very clearly they know Christ. The Bible says from the least to the greatest they will know me. Jesus says My sheep hear MY voice and the voice of another they will not harken unto.

I had an encounter with Christ which I can never ever forget. All genuine Christians KNOW God exists. Here Plum is guilty of assuming what others know! As I have PROVED again and again, there is every REASON to believe God exists and EVERY reason to dismiss the archaic darwinism that is so discredited today. Outside of China (200 million atheists) there are a mere 250 million or so atheists in the entire world! -who God calls FOOLS!

You have to be completely, disinterested lazy, dishonest etyc and a loon of note to still believe the universe created itself out of nothing. Bwahahahahahahhaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaahhahahahahaha man you cant get more foolish than a crazy old atheist!! Or that a DNA strand contains enough information (speaking of intelligence!!!!) to fill 350 volumes of the encyclopedia Britannica and that every cell in the human body has DNA in it. Enough to circle the solar system twice. The stunning, mind boggling scientific discoveries have proven God exists and have destroyed atheism.

The stench of atheism is being dissipated rapidly and expect to see this small fringe group of loons dimminish further as time goes on. Thinking people realise the game is over. Of course if you don't want to know you NEVER will.

What i find telling is that i have posted realms of proof that God exists without any of these atheist nutjobs answering the proof provided. Often these cowardly cretins don't even examine the evidence. Hahahahhahahahaha that is so very, very telling! Game set and match!

May 15, 2019, 10:39

How can they live without Jesus
How can they live without God's love
How can they feel so at home down here
When there's so much more up above
Throwin' away things that matter
They hold on to things that don't
The world has gone crazy
But soon maybe
A lot more are going to know
For maybe they don't understand it
Or maybe they just haven't heard
Or maybe we're not doin' all we can
Living up to his holy word
'cause phonies have come
And wrongs been done
Even killing in Jesus' name
And if you've been burned
Here's what I've learned
The Lord's not the one to blame
For He's not just a religion
With steeples and bells
Or a salesman who will sell you
The things you just want to hear
For His love was such
That He suffered so much
To cause some of us
Just to follow, follow
So many laughing at Jesus
While the funniest thing that He's done
Is love this whole stubborn rebellious world
While their hate for Him just goes on
And love just like that
Will bring Him back
For the few He can call His friends
The ones He's found true
Who've made it through
Enduring until the end
The ones He's found true
Who've made it through
Enduring until the end

May 15, 2019, 12:06

Yes there can no stopping the sharing of the glorious gospel whereby men are saved. 

May 15, 2019, 12:18

Beeno, you have proven jack shit

With statements like this……"As I have PROVED again and again"

You have only provided your opinion, you have yet to prove a single concept of what is being discussed here

The fact that you cannot even recognize that, is exactly why I don't read much of your Christian preachings and copy and pastes

May 15, 2019, 13:44

Seb.....that’s really profound.  Where from?

May 15, 2019, 17:01

Written by Keith Green who died in plane crash at age 28 in 1982...a musician who turned from drugs way back in seventies

Keith Green biography

It was one of his many songs, here's the one with those words

May 15, 2019, 17:18


Is too personal a question to ask what experience you had? 

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