Boris Johnson worried about Unvaccinated filling up hospitals - Over 75% un-jabbed

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Sep 09, 2021, 14:45

It looks like the UK might need to have another lockdown because of imbeciles not getting vaccinated.
Over 75% of people in hospitals are un-vaccinated, despite 90% of the adult population having been vaccinated. 


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58494842


My answer to this is just to refuse entry into hospitals for the unvaccinated. :blink: Let them have freedom of choice, 
but don't let them turn hospitals into hotspots - and prevent doctors from being able to treat non-Covid related health issues. 



Sep 09, 2021, 14:51

Yes! Give them O2, Ivermectin and HCQ, with a few bottles of vitamins...they'll gladly pay for it.

They're using the lockdown to bully people into getting the vax.

Sep 09, 2021, 14:52

Yes! Give them O2, Ivermectin and HCQ, with a few bottles of vitamins and send them home...they'll gladly pay for it too.

They're using the lockdown to bully people into getting the vax.

Sep 09, 2021, 14:53

Create your own hospitals, don't use the mainstream reality ones. 

When one of you has a family member that needs urgent treatment for non-Covid related stuff, you are content for them to die in the street without medical attention.

All because of your childish mark of the beast conspiracy. 

Governments around the world have every ideology under the sun. However, they want as many people vaccinated as possible.-  because it is a no-brainer. 

My perception of Christians is that they were below average people in terms of morals and IQ 
After seeing Covid,they are worse than I thought. Pathetic wimps, cave dweller mentality in the 21st century. :P

Sep 09, 2021, 15:04

SB

What are the real figures on the issue like the age grouping, the number of vaccinated patients, the number of unvaccinated people in hospital.    Politicians are not to be trusted about their shouitng and screaming.   Let us have the figures and include he number of people entering hospitals for other reasons than Covid. - especially where vaccines caused problems.    

I am getting very cynical about the issue.   Until real figures are provided  I am not going to accept a booster shot.           

Sep 09, 2021, 15:07

Dumb Mike, all the newspapers in the UK report the same figures. Just because politicians "might" lie- that does not mean everyone is lying. 

I have got to the conclusion that the world would be a better place without the anti-vaxxer Trumpanzees. Covid is doing ethnic cleansing on behalf of nature (not the fictional character called God). 



Sep 09, 2021, 15:40

Then you have to think again - more than half of the unvaxxers in the USA are Blacks and Latino's  probably still obeying what  Talibiden, Harris and the Democrats in the  election election  campaign last year..     

I do not generally read UK newspaper and occasionally some USA newspapers - so can you give me a reference to where I can find he info.   

     

Sep 09, 2021, 15:43

I don't care if ant-vaxxers are white, black, purple or pink. They are stupid. 

Sep 09, 2021, 15:51

Covid is doing ethnic cleansing on behalf of nature (not the fictional character called God).

Why are you talking as if Covid is wiping people out at a 50% death rate? Is that where the fear mongering has got you to now? A lot of people are dying, but the vast majority survived without the help of a vaccine and the old and frail still constitutes the vast majority of deaths. Covid may have your number if you're younger and healthier (it may even have mine, who knows), but your chances to survive if you're under 50 is still 99+%.

Sep 09, 2021, 17:09

Pakie 

My own 80 year old sister-in-law was  positive and they gave her vitamin tablets as treatment.  She felt bad one day and asked the doctors whether she should go to hospital and they sad if she still feel the same the next morning she could go - but it does not ap[pear as necessary yet.   The next morning she felt better and never ended up in hospital. 

Despite here age she survived and I think it may be attributed to the fact that she does not have any morbidity problems yet.     I think that Covid add to existing health problems and may have an influence on dying - but may not even be the real cause of deaths recorded statistically.

From what I have seen thus far - and believe me I do not count Beeno's stories  be of value I fail to see the masking   issue and  I would like to see that treatment of existing approved drugs should be tested to see whether they help in recovery if Covid itself is the real death sentence 

Most of the elderly suffering from morbidities  have one foot in the grave and  the other one on a banana peel already anyway.    So Covid could help the banana peel - but may not be the prime cause of death.             


Sep 09, 2021, 17:27

"Why are you talking as if Covid is wiping people out at a 50% death rate? Is that where the fear mongering has got you to now? A lot of people are dying, but the vast majority survived without the help of a vaccine and the old and frail still constitutes the vast majority of deaths. Covid may have your number if you're younger and healthier (it may even have mine, who knows), but your chances to survive if you're under 50 is still 99+%."


The poor dear is scared sh!tless...and the doubt in the back of his head makes the hate for Christians tangible.:D:D:D...Oppas Pakie, soon you are going to be labelled an anti-vaxxer religious nutter, regardless of reality.



Sep 09, 2021, 17:35

Don't take the jab, don't go to hospital when you get Covid. If you agree to that and honour this, we have an agreement. 


Option 1: Hospitals get full of ant-vaxxers simpletons, turn people away = Lockdown again
Option 2: Don't allow anti-vaxxers to go to hospital for Covid illness = No lockdowns

I don't want another lockdown - because of the anti-vaxxers. 

Sep 09, 2021, 17:45

Hey FishNuts

Remember that time when you jerked off so much that you needed surgery?

Nobody forced you to and you knew it was ill advised yet you flogged the bishop until it landed you ICU.

Should they have turned you away?

Less wankers = more hospital beds

Sep 09, 2021, 18:03

Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey he.....

Sep 09, 2021, 18:34

I never realised Planet Meton had invented a vaccine for wanking. :D
Must have been around the same time they invented the ButtPlug to stop abducted people in alien ships needing hospital treatment. 

Sep 09, 2021, 18:35

Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey he.....

Sep 09, 2021, 19:41

"Don't take the jab, don't go to hospital when you get Covid. If you agree to that and honour this, we have an agreement. "

Here's an agreement for you Snarkhole...if I  get any adverse effects from the jab, or suddenly die in the next 10 years from some new ailment, the government should pay out a few mil to my family...let the government take the risk. 

Sep 09, 2021, 20:48

All governments in the world from the "best" to the most useless are recommending the vaccine. 
Every ideology under the sun agrees on that, so it is clear the consensus the vaccine is better than nothing. 

Sep 10, 2021, 06:39

They can recommend it all they like, but as soon as they mandate it, they must be liable when things go wrong.

Sep 10, 2021, 07:20

And Biden leads the way.

Companies with more than 100 employees must have their staff vaccinated.

“It’s not about your freedom.” …apparently.

Sep 10, 2021, 07:50

So Draad, would you rather work alongside a vaccinated or an unvaccinated fellow worker?

Sep 10, 2021, 08:12

Denny…

But the vax doesn’t stop you spreading the virus.

So whether your co-worker is vaccinated or not makes no difference.

What am I getting wrong here?

Sep 10, 2021, 08:28

Plum

True, but it diminishes the chances of someone dying.

Am I missing something?

And OBTW my question was directed at Draad.

Do speak when you spoken to. I've long time given up debating you.

Sep 10, 2021, 10:49

Denny

I am not against vaccines at all and did have two jabs.   What bothers me after the second jab  I had problems with my eyesight and with balancing, throat and ear ache for a week after vaccination.  My balancing has improved - but I still have eye sight problems that will have to be dealt with throuh getting new and stronger glasses.   

The above bothers me and I will not take a booster jab at all - the jab may have even worse    consequences .    


Sep 10, 2021, 12:01

Mike

Instead of boring me with your personal choices why don't you clean up your act, stop lying,  delete your comments and regain some credibility. And pppssssst don't pretend you haven't seen my post in the other blog(Americans stiff arm Fauci...)

Sep 10, 2021, 13:03

Denny

There obviously are issues where we disagree.    I think Biden aka Talibeden is Super Shit and you think the same of Trump.     I thinbk that is not a reason fro anything other than minor differences,   I make msitakes on site but do not lie.

Incidentally - as worried as I am about the future of SA under the present Government - so worried am I about the future of Australia with the threat of China a problem.    Like all NATO allies the Biden presidency does no mean that the USA will do anything against China  if thya ttack neighnbouring countries  and  Autralia is definitely on their radar.   At present Australia has no allies that would come to their help if China attacks the country.   The Chinese has already told the Taiwanese that  and they will do the same with the Aussies.   

Sep 10, 2021, 13:29

Your attempts at being a World Authority is pathetic and stop deluding yourself.....you lie, fact. Denial doesn't eliminate the problem. Quite frankly I don't care what you think of Biden or Trump and neither do I care what you think of Australia, you're sounding more and more like that Beeno nutter. And spare me your lectures.

Sep 10, 2021, 13:33

Yes, Covid has revealed how unhinged the religious fruit cakes are. 

Round up all the Trumpanzee religious simpletons and put them on an island and let them develop herd immunity from natural infection. It will then be decided which survivors will be allowed to return to mainstream society. 
Some will need to be teleported back to Babylon 5000BC, as they are not just not compatible with the 21st century and science. They prefer faith and worshipping human sacrifice. 


Sep 10, 2021, 14:09

Spoken like a true fascist,  congrats Snarkhole, you have revealed yourself too.

Sep 10, 2021, 14:17

You confuse Democracy with Fascism. Religious people are the fascists, you just complain more when it happens to you. 

The Democratic majority in the UK want to be vaccinated and end lockdowns. Why get held back by 10% of society, the stupid's. 

Expect to see lots of governments make jabs mandatory because they must make the decision for the majority. 

Sep 10, 2021, 14:47

Whaha so you don’t wanna work beside someone that is more likely to die from COVID?

On wonders, if death of co-workers was the issue you were getting at, why proximity to mattered in your question.

Weak.

Sep 10, 2021, 17:13

We are tired of primitive humans filling up our hospitals. Find your own hospital that is compatible with your reality, or conspiracy.
As we see it, you lot are screwing up the recovery from Covid. 

Sep 11, 2021, 10:51

Snarkhole, are you pretending to be this stupid?

Sep 11, 2021, 11:15

This is, of course, interesting. By far the people who have put the biggest strain on hospitals during the Covid attack are those with weak immune systems and comorbidities. For example, people with heart disease that stems mostly from poor diets and lifestyles already put a $214 billion strain on the US health system yearly even without Covid. But who is people like SB targeting? Those who don't want to vaccinate.

Sure, I'll keep out of your hospitals, but kindly extend that block to the lazy fuckers who gorge themselves on fast foods and sugar and alcohol and won't take a walk around the block for their own health, and then clog up the hospitals when something like Covid hits because their systems can't handle it. Tell them to shape up or find their own hospital that is compatible with their unhealthy lifestyles. Since you seem to be in a position of choosing who gets access to public healthcare and who doesn't.

How about drunk drivers, recklessly endangering others. Do they get to occupy a bed in the ICU after they just killed 4 innocents and seriously injured themselves. Do we deny them as well?

All the drunk fucks that force alcohol bans in South Africa to relieve pressure on the hospitals - a move that wrecks the economy just because these people are too weak to drink a few fewer beers so they don't get to the point where they start stabbing each other. Do we tell them to find their own hospitals as well? How far do you want to take this?

Sep 11, 2021, 12:41

If hospitals were full, surely a drunk driver should be the first to be rejected from the waiting list outside. 

People that are born with morbidities through no fault of their own, it is not their fault they have weakened immune systems. However, if they refuse the vaccine, then they can be rejected from hospitals with limited beds.
For people that are obese, and don't take the vaccine could also be top of the list to be rejected.

It is not about being petty- hospitals have limited beds. The vaccine is the tool to prevent hospitals getting full.

Without the vaccine, hospital treatment for non-Covid related problems will continue to backlog. Some of these people will die from late treatment due to Covid backlogs. 

The vaccine works- it reduces hospitalisations and deaths. Even long Covid risks are reduced. 
If 10-20% of society cant think logically, the majority needs to be do if for them for the good of society in a Democratic manner. They can still choose not to get vaccinated, but mandatory laws could prevent employment or other measures. 

Hospitals are not designed for pandemics. If there are no more beds, someone has to be refused. 


Sep 11, 2021, 12:54

SB

Just  a  fair question     Should the emphasis to find a cure for sick Covid people not be a priority as well?      Everything is focussed on vaccination and nothing to find a cure for sickness 

Sep 11, 2021, 15:28

Anything that scientifically helps people from Covid should be considered.
As it stands some new treatments are starting to become available like Regeneron, with more currently going through the standard 3-step testing procedure for new drugs.

AstraZeneca have created a new product that is not a vaccine but designed to reduce transmission and infections by 70% against Delta, to be taken before infection. 
Regeneron can be taken before or after infection. It works faster than vaccines at building anti-bodies so it can be used to treat sick patients. 

Vaccines may also improve at preventing transmission. 

Let's scientists do the science; we are not qualified to create treatments or vaccines. The far-right rhetoric has no scientific basis. 
All we can do is follow the data which shows that vaccinated people are far less likely to go to hospital or die. 

Sep 11, 2021, 22:37

SB

I have no problem if matters are dealt with on a scientific basis - but wht scientific basis is at present applied - but what scientific basis is at present used in the USA?    The problem si that the only scientific basis used is that of Faucci - a liar who is trying to keep himself out of shit for funding the Wuhan lab and contradicts himself all the time.   As to vaccines we are dealing with Bill Gates whose medical knowledge is near to zero and who is on the take as one of the biggest producers of vaccines  in the world.     Gates is also a major funder of the WHO and has an extraordinary influence on the media and Government of the USA.

The first thing that is totally unscientific tis what are the real death rates for Covid being the death rates applicable to Covid  alone without the  role  played by other morbidities  and aging.   The whole issue has from the word go being politicized and my trust in politicians is near to zero.     In the USA hospitals have been subsidies for treatment  of  Covid patients treated and they have doubtlessly inflated death rates to increase Government funding.    That alone makes for unscientific cheating to get more dollars.    

I think a real issue is  what was the death ratfe of Covid 19 alone without any morbidities and why are people over 75 making up 85%  of al deaths from Covid as recirde3d in countries,   Once that scientific norm has been established a sound scientific approach  would be possible and the issue can be dealt with on a real scientific basis.   

By the way - Obama a great fucker up in his own right - said that there is no limit when it comes to Talibiden's ability to fuck things up. and a war" declared by him is bound to firther stretch th the limit farther as to total   bugger-ups.     .   .   .     .   .           

Sep 11, 2021, 23:52

One only has to read the statements on here to understand the some of the reasons why the world is in such a damn mess.

Your own country is a real mess - it doesn't qualify you lot to make comments about other countries.

Perhaps it is time that you put your energies into helping to stop the shitting in your own nest before making accusations about other countries.


Sep 12, 2021, 01:37

QS

Because SA is in BS 99% of the time - we have no real debate on what is happening here.   It is really not worth discussing it anyway.

To divert attention away from the local mess is maybe one of the reasons why we discuss issues in other countries.    We have seen what  deficient administration ,  bribery and corruption  caused in SA and ahte to see it happening in other countries who are supposed to set a way o go - it scares people.          

Sep 13, 2021, 11:22

Of course they'll tell you that the unvaccinated are the problem.

It's bozos like you who believe their tall tales.

I'm not surprised you got vaccinated, SharkShit.

Redneck and DumbFuck Dave were also first in line for their jab I bet.

And next year when a new variant comes out, rendering these vaccines ineffective, you guys will find yourself back in the que waiting for your 4th, 5th and 6th booster shot. 


  


Sep 19, 2021, 11:40

Someone on Twitter:

"I don't know who needs to hear this, but:

A virus didn't close your businesses.

Your government did.

A 'pandemic' didn't take away your freedoms. 

Your government did. 

Protestors and the unvaxxed are not keeping you in lockdown. 

Your government is.

Sep 19, 2021, 12:33

and the government(s) did what they did because of the virus.
Or I suppose in your reality all governments are part of a conspiracy and created the virus to limit people's freedoms. 

You think governments recommended masks just to annoy people, or part of a socialist conspiracy. 

If the anti-vaxxers can have their own hospitals, then when full of Covid patients, anti-vaxxers can die outside their hospitals for non-Covid related health issues. 

The mainstream society that has a scientific reality instead of a faith-based one, will be able to have enough hospital beds for Covid and non-Covid patients. 


 
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