Climate Change Denialists Deny Denial... As Heathrow reached hottest ever temperature at 40.2C

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Jul 30, 2022, 11:58

Places in the UK were breaking out in fire, like what happened in Australia. So now the naysayers are jumping on the bandwagon(finally). 

Apparently, the US has just passed a major bill for green energy. It is no longer a "socialist" agenda. 

Suddenly everyone is thinking of green energy. The added bonus means no longer being dependent on authoritarian regimes for energy. 

As soon as the world is green, Russia and the Middle East will not have a pot to piss in. These one tricky ponies are dependent on selling fossil fuel, so their regimes will collapse. 

Jul 30, 2022, 12:10

The climate has gone through cycles millenia before humans were even on the scene and will continue to do so regardless of our carbon emissions...that does not mean to say that we can continue being irresponsible with the way we use fossil fuels...if we are going to survive as a species, we should addapt to the changes in our environment without destroying our planet...but I'll bet my house that politicians are punting measures which line their pockets and does absolutely nothing for our environment...science is the only solution. 

Jul 30, 2022, 12:26

Speaking in riddles. Saying one thing, then contradicting what you are implying to give yourself cover. 

Political corruption is routine, yet we are meant to believe that oil companies don't have lobbyists bribing politicians either. 

Leave the charts to people that can think objectively. 


Jul 30, 2022, 12:58

The fact that you're too stupid to understand what I'm saying doesn't make it a riddle...no wonder the planet is in such a sorry state...most people has lost the ability to think for themselves. 

Jul 30, 2022, 13:25

It is your opinion that the planet is in a sorry state, I think it is better than it has ever been.

(The only issue is increasing over-population due to high birth rates by poor people which is a risk to future generations, with a growing third world). 

Jul 30, 2022, 18:24

Complete nonsense.. .climate change if it exists will manifest itself in small changes in average temperature. Huge spikes in temperature are just tail end of the distribution events….which have always occurred.


134 degrees
The highest temperature ever recorded in the U.S. was 134 degrees in Death Valley, California, on July 10, 1913. That's also the hottest temperature ever recorded anywhere on Earth.

Case closed.

Jul 30, 2022, 18:42

My back garden was the coldest it has ever been, so that disproves global warming. :D 
If you are going to use this as proof, then you have to accept the opposite to counter your own argument... Otherwise, it as Fauci (Scientists) would say - anecdotal evidence...

You were at Heathrow at the time, so you must have been sweating... :D You got to experience the hottest temperature ever in the UK!!!!

Jul 30, 2022, 22:44

I’ve been through all the data….the temperature increase in the first half of the 20th century was the same as in the period from then till now. Funny thing is only about 10% of the CO2 increase had occurred by then.

’Scientists’ want to measure against a flat alternative case, but temps have been steadily increasing since the little Ice Age…the effect of CO2 is almost certainly overstated.

And no Death Valley is not in my backyard. But my backyard and the rest of the internal American continent was warmest in the 1950s.

Jul 31, 2022, 00:16

But I do like the  term denialist…one of these days we will get ‘hereschtik’. All from the real raving nutters, the Climate groupies.

Jul 31, 2022, 01:53

SB

When temperatures dropped to the coldest it has been in 200 years  idiots like you say that does not count because it is local and not applicable throughout the world.   When an ccassional rise of temperatures occur  in one place that determine the situation worldwide.

The whole science base for global warming is stoked by the scientost who use fearmongering to get more money donated for "scientific research"   - while politicians are using it to get full control and power over people  to rule by decree on a dictatorial basis.     

It is only brainwashed morons who fall for that trick.    None of the forecasts of the scientists have ever been realized and crooks like Obama bought at elast 5 properties since he left the presidency  - all of them would be underwater if he scientist predictions are fulfilled - so does he himself believed what they claim would happen?      No - it i all done to cow people into submission.

Anybody who believes that mankind control nature in evidence for millions of years  must also believe the moon is made of green cheese.    Let me give you a perfect example - in 1997 Europe had a continental heatwave and   the scientsts went bananas - the world was doomed because of this rapid rise in temperature.    The next year it was back to the averages recorded as average for the counties and it never happened again on a continental basis and has been he same level for centuries.

I am a thinking person not to fall for political and crooked BS - end of story..         .      .

         

Jul 31, 2022, 02:31

Dumb Mike, Dumb Mike...

You know that all scientists are corrupt and conspiring with aliens, Michael Jackson and China to push green energy... You don't fall for their lies...
You is smart and is thinking person... 
You know Fauci created Covid and are not afraid to say it. 

It was done to "cow" people into submission, to make them woke and eat cattle feed.

Someone like Steve Hawkins has an IQ that is more than double yours, he is arguably the best physicist since Einstein - but that does not mean you do not know better... You can disprove the best scientists without using maths or science, so you don't even need to be smart, despite some animals on earth being smarter than you. 
Thankfully the world has you to correct scientists... What would we do without you? :'(
 


Jul 31, 2022, 03:46

Note the timing of ocean rises…..starting almost 100 years before CO2 had increased by 10% of the total current increase:

Fig. 1: Time of emergence of global sea-level rise.
figure 1

a Sixty-year average rates over the Common Era, where pre-industrial is 0–1700 CE. b Sixty-year average rates from 1700 to 2000 CE which increase concurrently with the probability that each 60-year interval and all subsequent 60-year intervals were greater than a random 60-year interval during the pre-industrial Common Era. The time of emergence year is given for 0.66, 0.90, and 0.95 probabilities. Model predictions are the mean with 1? uncertainty.


Jul 31, 2022, 03:47

Conclusion all the phenomena like glacial melt, ocean rises and temperature increases were well underway before CO2 could have been the cause.

Jul 31, 2022, 05:42

SB

Sorry to disappoint you - I believe in natural phenomena - not in idiocy.    Did Dr Faucci had a huge hand in funding gain in function research at the Wuhan laboratory?  Yes or no?  Did he lied about it in the Senate hearing?  Yes or no?     How was it possible for bats who have been in existence for million of years infect humans with Covid?    Yes or no?   Why did it happen in 2019 and 2020 for the first time as predicted b Faucci in 2017 and Gates in December 2019?     The answer is simple - the virus was developed in the Wuhan Labority and not the fish market in that city.   Unlike you - who accept BS in sttreams because it is flooding your malfunctioning brain cells - I am not prepared to accept anything other than Dr Death Faucci was involve in creating a pandemic.   

As to global warming - you are saying that I believe in the BS you quote - that shows a level of complete ignorance.    Global warming became an enterprise involving billions if not trillions of dollars  and with that kind of money around it became a moneymaking enterprise by ruthless politicians  and  that is a fact as well.   All the forecasts of scientists have been so far off the mark that creates  serious question marks about the validity of statements made by them and the media.         

Jul 31, 2022, 16:36

I wonder what these eco fascist earth worshipers have to say about the fluctuation of temps through the past one thousand years. The earth has varied in temp for thousands of years but these butt fuckers... oh wait, the Barks of the world are not the fucker but the fuckee... now tell us that we live in a globe and we have to live in third world status while the super rich live like kings and remove 95% of the global population. Well, if you are willing to kill babies what aren't you ready to do in the name of greed and narcissism? Bark is such a fucking noob on every subject. I bet this motherfucker had some bad experience in his life which has left in embittered and hateful. Now he wants to bite back at the force he says he doesn't believe exists. what a fucking loser. 

Jul 31, 2022, 19:10

LOL...come November/December in Europe and lecture the masses on Global warming and see how far you get 8-).

Jul 31, 2022, 19:30

These eco people are the mob that howled approval when the Inquisition immolated thinking people, or the mob sitting around the guillotine watching heads fall into baskets. The intolerance of any divergence from the given wisdom has it roots in religious group think.

There are many things to question. Oil is like a battery, stored power. Can we create a renewable energy infrastructure without bringing forward massive amounts of carbon stored power? Making carbon use much higher than it would have been for 20 or more years?

The point was brought home to me walking in London seeing a Taycan being changed via a cord that looped over a pavement down into a basement, with a little plastic cap over the cord. This is the future? In a low rise city like London without dedicated off road parking the problem looks massive.

Whether these deadlines will produce a better result than working with the oil companies on a phased transition is highly dubious.

Aug 01, 2022, 00:01

So what are you suggesting Mozart? Just ignore the scientists- who also happen to be some of the smartest minds on the planet, and just continue using as much fossil fuel as possible, instead of trying to faze it out by 2050. (The Paris Accord).

No one in serious government positions suggests just stopping the usage of fossil fuels tomorrow...

The idea that 97% of scientists are bribed is not even an option, so it only leaves the possibility that they are actually wrong, or they are right. 

If scientists are wrong, and green energy is fast-tracked before it is really needed, what are the implications? Not much...

If scientists are correct, then the future of mankind and life on earth is stuffed if fossil fuel creates too much carbon in the atmosphere. 

You may believe your own argument, but it is not convincing enough for many people to accept - especially when 97% of scientists disagree with you. I would rather play it safe, or be conservative so to speak...

 If 97% of mechanics say XYZ, I would rather follow this. It is logical that people who specialize in an area would know more than I about a car engine, especially given my technical knowledge of a car is very limited. 

Even if their argument might not appear to be rock solid, but neither is the counter-argument.
Both seem to be based on charts, but there is no agreement on which charts are correct. 

Also, fossil fuel is running out, it will surely become more expensive due to supply and demand. 
Plus, lots of the oil is in authoritarian regimes that seem like they will never get past war even amongst themselves. 
Rather let their regimes collapse and push them to accept Democracy. If green energy was more readily available, Putin would already have lost again Ukraine. 

Putin is never going to stop at Ukraine, his plan is to continue trying to conquer independent EU countries. He is just the latest Russian despot of the conveyor belt. Authoritarian countries struggle with their economies, so if they can't sell natural assets - they are screwed. 

Aug 01, 2022, 04:16

Some good points….I very much agree that we should be trying to get away from burning oil in applications where there are alternatives….it’s too valuable. The worst scenario is we use up our reserves and all the remaining oil is in the hands of the Russians and the Arabs.

But you keep saying 97% of all scientists agree…but to what? That man made CO2 is adding to temperatures? I also agree, but let’s measure it and accept the fact that it’s against a backdrop of naturally rising temperatures. I suspect when we do that our ability to influence things is quite limited.

But 97% of scientists haven’t opined on all the policy decisions. Are EVs really the answer? Why isn’t nuclear part of a solution. Why won’t governments partner with big oil to bring about immediate results. 

What we have today is a bunch of political talking points and policies that will lower warming by a fraction of a degree by 2100. The policies solve nothing and the problem is undefined.

Far from dooming man the vast increase in global population coincided with the oil age. Nothing could cause catastrophe more surely than dismantling our oil capabilities before sustainable energy is actually self sustaining. There are 8 billion people relying on oil to keep them alive, let’s respect that awesome dependency and manage it with care.


Aug 01, 2022, 12:45

I must agree with Mozart in the above.    I think the scientists are being used by dishonest politicians and of those there are plenty about.     In the meantime  the epople are beginning to suffer already.

I have a gas stove at home  and went to get a new cylinder this morning.   In January oi cost . R190 for 9 kg  - today it was R270,    Electricity prices went up by 30% this month as well.   It is just too crazy.to imagine.   

My problem is the fact that the present rush by politicians to spend billions on   greene nergy - like the Bien Administration is doing - is going to reduce agricultural production worldwide leading to famine in many countries.   A balanced approach is necessary - but there si no such approach in evidence.

               

Aug 01, 2022, 12:45

I must agree with Mozart in the above.    I think the scientists are being used by dishonest politicians and of those there are plenty about.     In the meantime  the epople are beginning to suffer already.

I have a gas stove at home  and went to get a new cylinder this morning.   In January oi cost . R190 for 9 kg  - today it was R270,    Electricity prices went up by 30% this month as well.   It is just too crazy.to imagine.   

My problem is the fact that the present rush by politicians to spend billions on   greene nergy - like the Bien Administration is doing - is going to reduce agricultural production worldwide leading to famine in many countries.   A balanced approach is necessary - but there si no such approach in evidence.

               

Aug 01, 2022, 13:17

@DumbMike

Scientists are making their assessments independently. They are not bribed. 
Just like it would be impossible to bribe 97% of car mechanics. 

Corruption by politicians is routine and not specific to green energy-  just like how oil company lobbyists continue to bribe politicians. 

A lobbyist is just a piece of shit, regardless of whether they are pushing green or fossil energy. 

Aug 01, 2022, 15:46

97% of all scientists include botanists, zoologists, nutrionists ….it means nothing. Any climate scientist who disagrees is silenced. And climate science itself like virology has hardly attracted the best minds.

These people, this consensus has no practical path forward….just a political agenda to kill oil and come up with a string of politically cool sounding ideas.

 

Aug 01, 2022, 16:23

I suppose Steve Hawkins, arguably the best scientific mind of the 21st century is also part of the conspiracy.....

So forget the 97% statement for a moment, look at the top 3% of scientists... (in particular physicists who have double the IQ of most people on earth) 

https://carbonliteracy.com/stephen-hawkings-outlook-on-climate-change/


I care about the future, so I would rather be over-cautious than risk the destruction of the world, humanity and other life. 







Aug 01, 2022, 16:42

"I suppose Steve Hawkins, arguably the best scientific mind of the 21st century is also part of the conspiracy....."

I suppose you mean "Stephen William Hawking"?

Aug 01, 2022, 16:48

yawn Draad...A spell checker. The link I posted has his name. No argument, so being pedantic. 

Aug 01, 2022, 16:56

I guarantee you the physicists know nothing about the economy, the production of the means of life. And I bet most of them have never even looked at the climate data….these people tend to be narrowly focused on their own work.

I repeat there are 8 billion people alive today only because we have access to oil. Put that vital resource at risk through stupid legislation and you risk all those lives. What, are those teeming hordes in London going to grow carrots in their flower pots..  oops I forgot, currently we need oil to make the flower pots.

Leave it to the economy and provide a few renewable incentives if you must….we’ll get a much better result than a Soviet (this time with physicists) type plan.


Aug 01, 2022, 16:56

Its not spelling numbty, its a whole different surname...I also called Richard Dawkins "Hawkins" mistakenly...I'm just asking you to clarify.

Aug 01, 2022, 17:04

I get car recommendations from a mechanic and scientific recommendations from physicists. 

Physicists not only know the most about science, but they also happen to be amongst the smartest people on the planet.

So even people like Bill Gates or Elon Musk that are smart and can have a great conversation about science, they are no match for "Hawkings" on the topics of science.

Incidentally, these two great business minds happen to agree with man-made global warming. Most of the smartest people on the planet do...

Aug 01, 2022, 17:10

No shark its all that Pakki food you guys are consuming thats the main cause.

Just ask AOF.

Aug 01, 2022, 18:47

You do know Musk is a Rocket Scientist too? Not on the same level as Hawking, but way above your pa grade...

"...to the University of Pennsylvania, where he received bachelor's degrees in Economics and Physics."

Hawking specialized in Astro Physics...climate science wasn't really his thing...Musk is more into applied Physics whereas Astro Physics is a lot more philosophical in nature. 

Aug 01, 2022, 19:08

Musk is perhaps the best businessman ever, with the IQ of Einstein.
He would probably excel in any intellectual field. 
It is demotivating to see someone so good at so many things. Maybe he is an alien.


Aug 01, 2022, 19:19

"It is demotivating to see someone so good at so many things"

What ever for? He is a super overachiever,  but it comes at a price...I really admire his achievements....teaching himself rocket science in 2 years and then doing ground breaking work in short time after...he must be an excellent leader to bring out the best from his team....we live in interesting times indeed.

Aug 01, 2022, 19:20

Well inspiring in a way, but demotivating if we compare our meagre existence to him. 

Aug 01, 2022, 20:09

You've got to control the green monster...I don't want his responsibilities for all the money in the world.

Aug 01, 2022, 20:14

Damn! his second name is Reeve...Superman must be turning in his grave.:D

Aug 01, 2022, 21:47

So you would accept Elon Musk’s point of view….okay here you go:

As gas prices soar, it is not surprising to find growing calls for increased domestic energy production. But one key figure with a direct stake in how cars are fueled raised some eyebrows on Twitter on March 5. "Hate to say it," he began, "but we need to increase oil and gas output immediately."

Why would this important voice "hate to say it?" Because it is Elon Musk, billionaire developer of the signature electric car of our age, the Tesla. Musk addresses his mixed feelings in a subsequent tweet: "Obviously, this would negatively affect Tesla, but sustainable energy solutions simply cannot react instantaneously to make up for Russian oil & gas exports."

A social media free-for-all soon unfolded, as fossil fuel supporters suggested Musk is a wiser voice than the familiar chorus of climate extremists who fill their days telling us our gasoline engines are dooming coastal cities to an underwater future. Musk made clear that he was not politically or financially aligning with anyone with his observation, but that he was simply stating the obvious: "Increased oil and gas action in the short term is critical or people around the world will be placed under great duress," he argued. "It's not a question of money, it is a question of having enough energy to power civilization."

Aug 01, 2022, 21:59

He "hates" to say it. 
Musk knows that dirty energy does cause climate change. (And it is a competitor to his battery energy). 

The consensus is that carbon from dirty energy is causing man-made climate change.

At no point did I say that the world should stop using fossil fuels - at least until green or alternative energy is available on a like-for-like basis. 
That is what the Paris accord is. It is replacing the type of energy without damaging the economy- fazing out dirty energy over time. 

Gas is actually being classified as green by the EU.  Oil is the problem. 



Aug 01, 2022, 22:17

Very convenient for the Germans having destroyed their nuclear production to make gas ‘green’. Nope you were right Musk is the point of reason….the number of ICE cars in the world will increase in the next decade, therefore, we need more oil.


In the meantime we will be just fine with the modest temperature changes mostly due to natural causes.

Aug 04, 2022, 11:00

Um …hate to burst your bubble, Sharkshit but nothing’s going to stop this.

Mans attempt to save himself is futile.

There’s a bigger issue at play here. Don’t you know that?

It’s going to get worse and worse.

We are seeing prophesy manifested before our very eyes.  

I would suggest you prepare yourself as this is going to be a part of your everyday life.

The last time the world was destroyed by water … the next will be by fire.

It stuns me just how ignorant you are.

Tell me … what does it feel like going through life so ignorant that you do not see what’s happening around you?

It's clear for all to see and yet it passes you by unnoticed. 

The world has gone mad.

We have men cutting their cocks off because they now identify as a woman.

We have new found laws put in place in support of the perverted … the poo dippers … allowing them to continue doing what they do … legally.

Woe unto anyone that speaks up against it.

We have parents force feeding their children puberty blockers so that they can choose their gender at a later stage in their lives.

We have young teen girls cutting their breasts off and replacing their vaginas with a shlong.

We have the murder of children through abortion taking on new found heights.

We have enforced vaccination across the globe, preparing the herd for the mark.

Do you honestly think He’s going to leave this unchecked?

How stupid are you?

People were going about their perverted ways before the flood. Like you, they too thought everything was cool.

Go ahead … mock all you like. That too was prophesied.

You really are a sad, sad, silly little man.  


Aug 04, 2022, 11:29

Prophesied? Grow up, this is not Sunday school... Ha, Ha... Sit down and hold hands and sing Kumbaya:D 

Leave this to adults, while you prey for your imaginary friend to return to earth and save you.

Aug 04, 2022, 20:06

Scoff as much as it makes you fool yourself with delusion.

I sincerely believe the whole world is going down and it will be Europe first then the effects of the infection will spread to the USA and then other countries. If you open your eyes you can already see the rot is there and it's started to escalate. People are caught up with confusion and delusion.

It is so obvious.

I have no faith in the deception of the human heart, the source of all problems. The false vanities of unrepentant mankind will plunge the globe into utter destruction.

It is not given to man to know exactly when but common sense of the obvious signs are there. False hope will not save us. The pride of man will end in utter destruction.

The words of the prophets are folly to those in denial. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Aug 04, 2022, 20:22

Oh look at little Bark... the man of sophisticated thinking... let me guess... we sacrifice children to the mother goddess (abortion and the post birth abortion they are pushing towards... the earth goddess. Yep, Globalism and its pathetic earth worship. These fucks are so stupid that they are deindustrializing the west and shifting power to the east. Sniveling little slaves... too cowardly to actually fight for anything, just take a big fat globalist dick in the ass. I still maintain that Bark had a bad experience and is trying to fight the man he doesn't believe exists like a toddler throwing a tantrum. So fucking easy to read.

 
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