The West would 'annihilate' Russian army if nuclear weapons used in Ukraine
So the Russians are so retarded they cannot produce modern armaments? How did they find 50 countries to review arms delivery and assistance to Ukraine? They cannot even find all the Europeassn countries to co-ordinate a unified approach on the Ukraine issue? Sounds fishy to me.
The 5 BRICS countries making up 42% of the world population is opposing the present scenario so where would the 50 countries come from? The Governments of Sweden and Italy have changed in recent weeks and especially the Italian one is opposed to the present warmongering by some of the NATO countries.
Instead of finding a peaceful solution for the Ukraine problem - which would be in the interest of the ordinary people who pays a high price for the War as a result of inflation it seems as if nobody is really interested in finding a peaceful solution. Are you in fav or of War in this case?
Your hero Putin created this war. He invaded a country trying to conquer it. The civilised world
support Democracy and Ukraine.
The shit like North Korea and Iran support Putin, as well as backward dolts like you.
If Putin wasn't hiding behind nuclear bombs, I would have supported wiping out the Russian army if they do not follow orders to get out of Ukraine. They are the aggressor, and it is impacting the world economy- in addition to destroying Ukraine.
7 million refugees, civilian deaths, army deaths- and you support Putin.
The EU has not got the balls to deal with Russia.
Nato has been carried by the USA since WW11 and the EU members are all talk.
If the USA does pull a "Biden Bomb Blunder" on Russia you can say cheers to all of us.
Desperate people tend to perform desperate acts when the "Sit hits the fan" and what has Putin really at this stage got to lose.
He is in a hole with most of the world against him so it could be his last stand.
Trust that level minds will prevail.
Have you ever tried to think what was the cause of the invasion by Russia? Obviously not - because you believe in simplicity and none thinking. `
What caused the real destruction of Ukraine in the first instance and turn it into a Government in Ukraine that morphed into Fascism?
You are a backward stupid fool.
Of course people have considered Putin's take.
They know it is a pretext motive (basically a false motive). Many wars have pretext motives, but most have economic motives.
The real reason for invading Ukraine is a land grab. It is an aggressive take over of a country that started ages ago, even before Crimea was taken over by Russia.
If a hell actually exists, you and Putin and Hitler will become good pals.
You are a total brainwashed idiot and so stupid that you cannot answer any questions about the real reason for the present scenario in Ukraine.
Any real expert on history would see what happened in Ukraine during and after WW2 to determine why the situation deteriorated so badly in that country over time. Ulitmately the reasons would be found for the outbreak of a civil war in Ukraine in 2014 - after an illegal coup organized and funded by the USA - which in essence is the root of the problem.
The EU countries in 2015 tried to solve the problem by the Minsk agreement in terms of which a new Constitution for Ukraine would be compiled allowing for a federal form of Government in Ukraine and a ceasefire. The agreement was never implemented and Ukraine became a playing ground for corrupt US politicians getting kick-backs from US Aid allocations to the Ukraine Government. Name the top US politicians and you will find all of them involving in Ukraine corruption.
Be it as it may - the Trump Administration tried to stabilize the situation but in the end the civil war continued unabated and largely aimed at Russian speaking people in Ukraine - of which more than 18 000 people were killed by reactionary members of the Ukraine army. Virtually all the killings were of unarmed civilians. When Trump tried to get the situation stabilized - he was accused by the Democrats of being in league with Putin - a lie they concocted as early as 2016 and they still spread in 2022.
The fact is that before the Russian invasion the French and German Governments tried to stabilize the situation - the US Government under Biden sabotaged the negotiation process. Putin accepted the proposals to return to the Minsk agreement of 2015 as a basis to finally stop the Civil War in Ukraine.
When Putin afterwards expose the operation and funding of biolabs in Ukraine involved in research of dangerous pathogens based on funding of and control over the biolabs by the USA Government - the US Government, the media and idiots like you denied that the labs existed That lie was exposed by evidence under oath by a Federal Government appointee and the situation is that the USA Government were afraid of the Russians getting their hands on the pathogens.
Be is as it may - the 2014 coup let to the discarding of the Ukraine constitution protecting the rights of all people - and in the week before the invasion the Ukraine arrested the Russian speaking members of the Ukraine Parliament and banned all opposition parties in the country.
When Macronm again try to stop the invasion - the Russians agreed to removal of the troops theartening Kiev and withdrawing their troops from that part of the country leaving only the areas where Russian speaking people being occupied by the Russian troops. The fact is that Biden then claimed the war is a move to remove Putin as R ussian leader - the negotiations on the issue collapsed.
The next move to try and get peace in Ukraine involving Turkey was also sabotaged by the US Government. Real people want peace in the world - not dangerous war situations. The USA wants a proxy war against Russia being fought in Ukraine. Why would that be the case anyway?
Try to think about it - even your contributions on site indicates a total lack of thinking ability.
CM you are wasting your time and effort on a lost cause with Sharktwat.
When an individual has moved this far left you cannot reason logically with them even when the facts are placed in front of them.
Spare yourself the time and energy and enjoy life......
Clever Mike is correct here.
I don't condone any wars - In fact they give me the shits and if they are not careful we will all get alot more than the screaming shits.
I don't and have never trusted the Russians - They have always used their people as puppets whereby they don't give a fuck about their own.
Europe and the Americans are all piss and wind when in fact they shouls all be looking for a peaceful solution.
Shit was going on in parts of Ukraine with ethnic cleansing of russians which motivated Putin to put a stop to it.
Hard to work out really because he treats some of his own people the same way - Which is a sad trait of dictators.
Clever Mike is correct here.
Well now I k now to never take any of your posts seriously.
If the world was upside down then DumbMike would be Clever.
The problem is the world is upside down at present and the situation went sour after the departure of Trump. Economies of the world were badly effected by Covid - but could ahve been recovered in an environment of good governance.
The USA - the strongest country in the world - is in chaos and the leftist policies of the Biden regime is destroying the image of the country worldwide. In the past the views of the USA were respected - at present even small countries are sneering at them.
The whole world is unstable from both a political perspective and war situation. Most people are disgusted with the War in the Ukraine - but the USA Government is not supporting any potential peace processes. The reason probably relates to internal US politixccs and the upcoming mid-term election in 3 weeks time.
So the 2014 coup in Ukraine organized and funded by the USA - did not lead to the civil war in Ukraine and the ethnic cleansing of Russians living in Ukraine by rogue fascist elements in the Ukraine army? Amazing - there was a peace agreement signed in Minsk - but the civil war continued unabated - not so? Why did that happen?
0ne should according to you not ask any questions on any issue - if one does it is condemned as being irrational and totally unacceptable. weird - I thought democracy is built on free speech but is seems to me that free speech is conditional nowadays - it only apply when it agrees with the present Government and media propaganda,
Take for instance your denial of the existence of biolabs in Ukraine. You stated at the time the USA was working together with the Ukraine Government to secure and close off the USSR era labs. Must admit they have not done well in that regard. After 30 years the number of closed labs are zero and the US did provide operational assistance io fund the existing labs and even funded a new lab in Odessa. This came from evidence of the Assistant Secretary of State in the Senate. So who was right in that regard?
"Clever Mike is correct here.
Tulsi has their number.
Defence contractors raking it in.
…while Western governments run cover at a premium.
We’ve seen this movie before.
She also said exactly what i said here a few months back. The negotiating table is inevitable and Ukraine will be dropped like a hot potato and advised to give Russia what they want.
It is clear that the West isn't interested in ending the war...they are happy to fight a proxy war in Ukraine...people are dying in droves everyday and the leaders of the West is doing nothing to stop it...SIES!!!
What do you want the West to do, let Ukraine be overrun by Russia or make Ukraine negotiate and give up about 20% of its territory?
As for not doing anything, they are supplying the weapons, intelligence, training and the economic aid Ukraine needs to continue to exist a a free and sovereign democratic nation as well giving sanctuary to millions of Ukraine refugees in addition to applying economic sanctions (taking a hit to their own economies in the process) against the aggressor state limiting its ability to replenish its oppressive military machine.
So Putin tries to conquer Ukraine, and threatens the world with nuclear weapons. And somehow this is the fault of the West.
If Putin leaves Ukraine the war will be over.
Democracy is not going to be held at gunpoint and then do nothing.
With nuclear weapons, it was always going to happen where a nuclear power would threaten the world. Backing down is not an option for the West.
It is obvious that if Putin conquers Ukraine, he will continue into other countries. He is Hitler 2.0.
During world war 2, no one stood up to Hitler so he just conquered country after country. That was a mistake, Democracy should have challenged Hitler sooner.
Yes but putin is a nice guy its not his fault thousands have died he just wanted his men to nip across the border and give everyone a hug.
Whats wrong with you people, everyone knows all dictator are peaceful, humanists that just wants everyone to sit around the fire and sing kumbaya.
Hey Crusty which strip joint are you posting from today?
The problem in Ukraine is getting more complicated and crazy virtually every day. Lets get the latest bit of real news. Officers in the Ukraine army complained in the media that the army only get only 30% of the weaponry delivered by the USA to agents of the Ukraine government on the Ukraine border,
So in a question is asked by a Republican Senators about arms delivery to Ukraine and the Defmse rep said they are worried about weapons delivered go missing. So the US Army is sending a Colonel to co-ordinate arsms delivery,
So what happen to the majority of the weapons are being sold on the black market an Ukrain e politicians are pocketing the loot. Prblem is the loot will go back to US politicians are part of the scam.
"What do you want the West to do, let Ukraine be overrun by Russia or make Ukraine negotiate and give up about 20% of its territory"
I don't claim to have any answers...I'm observing that NATO seems to be of opinion that the current scenario is the most acceptable of the alternatives. I would have liked to see people atleast make some sort of effort to stop the fighting...this is a human tragedy of massive proportion, but it looks like most of the world is OK with how things are going...BIZARRE to the extreme.
Ahead of Ukraine's Independence Day on August 24 and six months after Russia launched its large-scale invasion of the country, opinion polls indicate growing unity on key issues among Ukrainians and a widespread unwillingness to make any territorial concessions to Moscow.
RFE/RL's Live Briefing gives you all of the latest developments on Russia's ongoing invasion, Kyiv's counteroffensive, Western military aid, global reaction, Russian protests, and the plight of civilians. For all of RFE/RL's coverage of the war, click here.
“Ukrainians are united like never before, but it’s a hard-won unity” Anton Hrushetskiy, deputy director of the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology (KIIS), told RFE/RL.
According to a poll conducted by KIIS in July, a historic 85 percent of Ukrainians identify themselves above all as citizens of Ukraine, as opposed to residents of their region, representatives of an ethnic minority, or some other identifier.
This so-called indicator of civil identity, regarded as a crucial mark of cohesion in a historically diverse and divided Ukrainian society, was 64.4 percent only half a year ago.
“The ideas that there is no such thing as the Ukrainian nation, and that the Ukrainian state is a failed state were crucial to Russian propaganda,” Hrushetskiy said. “Nothing could have had such a unifying effect as the war waged by Putin and his cynical justification of it.”
Research shows similar spikes can be observed in views on other crucial matters.
As many as 96 percent of Ukrainians support their country joining the European Union, and 91 percent now favor joining NATO. Some 92 percent profess a “bad” attitude toward Russia, while only 2 percent declare a “good” one.
Hrushetskiy believes these changes will prove enduring because unity around them has been developing gradually since Ukraine gained independence from Soviet rule in 1991. A significant increase in support for the pro-European and transatlantic geopolitical orientation of the country -- and a corresponding decline of positive sentiment toward Russia – were notable features of the 2004-05 Orange Revolution and the 2014 Revolution of Dignity, he noted.
Six months after Moscow's failed assault on Kyiv, the Ukrainian armed forces and President Volodymyr Zelenskiy enjoy the record-high confidence of society.
According to a poll conducted by KIIS and the National Democratic Institute (NDI), as many as 97 percent of Ukrainians trust or completely trust the former, and 85 percent trust or completely trust the latter.
Hrushetskiy notes that Ukrainian society is experiencing a well-known, rally-around-the-flag effect. Research on political preferences shows that a distinct majority of Ukrainians prefers a strong state and does not see timely democratic elections as a priority after the suspension of martial law, he says.
Majority Against Concessions
According to KIIS research, as many as 84 percent of Ukrainians reject any territorial concessions to Russia, and this indicator increased between May and July when two separate surveys were conducted.
Even among residents of the south (the Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporizhzhya, Mykolayiv, Odesa, and Kherson regions), 77 percent oppose concessions. Among residents of the east (Kharkiv and the Kyiv-controlled parts of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions) -- 82 percent do not accept concessions.
Moreover, the data indicates that as many as 61 percent of Ukrainians support opposing Russian aggression until all of Ukraine -- including the Black Sea peninsula of Crimea that Moscow illegally annexed in 2014 -- is under Kyiv’s control. Some 12.2 percent were willing to accept Moscow’s continued occupation of Crimea, while 8.6 percent argued for the restoration of all territory captured by Russia since February 24. Just under 15 percent were willing to accept an immediate cease-fire along the current lines of conflict with both sides pledging to enter long-term peace talks.
However, Hrushetskiy stresses that one’s war experiences make a difference. The greater feeling of insecurity one has for oneself and one’s family, the more likely one is to accept an immediate cease-fire and the implied territorial concessions.
About 75 percent of those who feel the most personally secure urge fighting on until all of Ukraine is retaken. Some 46 percent of those who feel the least secure support this notion.
Almost 30 percent of those who say they feel “very insecure” and more than 10 percent of those who feel “insecure” said they favor an immediate cease-fire.
Six months into the large-scale war with Russia, 40 percent of Ukrainians believe the situation in Ukraine is "improving." Some 29 percent believe "in some ways, it is improving, and in some ways, it is getting worse," while 22 percent believe that things are getting worse.
Aleksander Palikot is an Ukraine-based journalist covering politics, history, and culture. His work has appeared in Krytyka Polityczna, New Eastern Europe, Jüdische Allgemeine, and beyond
I see myself as Western BTW...and I expect the West to be leaders and being the more reasonable party. I'm not saying they are handling this wrong, I'm saying I would have liked to see a stronger drive for the fighting to end. Who knows what's going on behind the scenes? But I'm dead sure war isn't the only option and more can be done to end it...and IMO we are sitting with the worst Western leadership in decades.
The Minsk Agreement guaranteed the borders of the Ukraine, Before the invasion the agreement was reached that the Agreement should be implemented.
The USA sabotaged the idea and the invasion was launched. Even when the invasion took place Macron tried to make progress in peace talks - for instance the Russian troops threatening Kiev would be withdrawn. As progress were noticeable Biden publicly stated that the objective of the proxy war in Ukraine was a means as removing Puint as leader of Russia. The negotiations were scrapped - but the threat to Kiev was removed.
If Putin wanted to annex Ukraine he would not have signed the Minsk Agreement.
Looks like the Russian's are preparing to withdraw from Kherson and abandon the western bank of the Dnipro River. They have learned enough from previous defeats to act quicker and withdraw in good order in the face of another Ukrainian advance after the debacle in Kharkiv Oblast.
They also look like they are going to blow up Kakhovka Hydroelectric Power Plant but blame the Ukrainians for doing it. This will help cover their retreat and also be used to try to distract the Russian public from yet another set back. It will also flood thousands of homes but Russia doesn't care it wants to inflict as much terror as possible on the Ukrainian population something I've no doubt will just increase Ukrainian determination to resist.
Some leaders in Europe do not want the war t continue. Before the invasion Macron tried to avoid it by negotiation with the Russians and there were two conditions agreed upon:-
1. The implmentation of the Minsk agreement - especially as far as the new Constitution and the borders of Ukraine - other than the Crimea with its 85% Russian and 10* Tartar populations would not be re-0negotiated; and\
2 NATO membership of Ukraine would not be allowed.
While the new agreement was on the point of being signed - Biden went on the rampage and stated that the objective of the USA in Ukraine was to get rid of Putin as President of Russia Like all of the BS announcement of the Biden Idiot that statement was countermanded by the WH. However, it was too late and the horse had already bolted.
Putin is unlikely to be that lenient again. The conduct of the Ukraine Government in the month before the invasion did not help either. Arresting Russian-speaking members of the Ukraine Parliament and banning of Ruussian being taught in Ukraine schools - as well as fining of people for speaking Russian in public places - while a large percentage of people in Eastern Ukraine are Russian-speaking would make the implementation of the Minsk agreement impossible. Since the invasion the Zeleskyy Government became more brazen and banned all perties - other than his own Party and fored people melftr right and center in serior positions - especially those who did not agree with his line of action - will be complicating further negotiations.
As to the 80% opinion poll it obviously was held only in ther area where Ukrainian - speaking people are in the majority. As to the Kghreson area - seeing will be beleiving - there has been so many statements like that one mentioned - but at the same time the Ukraine Government complained that the bombing by Russia of areas where the Ukraine army operate has increased so that does not tie in with withdrawal of Russian troops from the Kherson area.
A prime condition would be the exclusion of the corrupt Biden Regime from becoming involved in the process. The position may be eased if - like forecasted - the Republican Party wins majorities in the House and Senate. The fact is an investigation of Biden's fitness to hold the office of the Preidency will be reviewed in terms of the US Constitution -and chances are he will be send packing. The only thing that could save Biden is the fact that Harris is even worse than Biden - who as VP would have to replace Biden.
F fs. ouMaaik, you can't invade a sovereign state because they won't speak Russian . Jislaaik jy's net 'n authoritarian neo fascist. I reckon that Seb/Kleb's awol cos the penny dropped, he's now fully aware that his hero is in reality, an evil psychopathic narcissistic criminal dictator.
God bless the US & Biden for their magnificent support for Slavi Ukrani .
Not sure why we bother talking to him bok.
He's so far off the reservation he's passed by it twice going the other way.
Its looking increasingly likely that Kherson or what will be left of it will be liberated in the next few weeks.
I reasd the above and saw the map included as the situation is on 22 Octotber 2022 - the only problems Russia has in Kherson - according to the map where there are some partisans fighttng the Russians - but that si a relatively small area and I cannot believe that partisans willf orce a withdrawal of the Russian army.
As to my comments above I am not at all sure whether news coming from the USA is to be believed. The NATO member jeopardizing negotiations is the USA. Most people wants to see peace in Ukraine - the member who does not want it n for their own reasons is the USA. The main reason for crisis creation by the USA is the mid-term election 17 days from today, The Democrats wants to have an election on a foreign affairs basis and the key is the crisis in Ukraine. They have screwed the US voters totally and losing support left, right and center and according to opinion polls they outlook does not seem in their favor,.
Biden is only a puppet President - but he may still casue a serious problem - since the sabotaging fo the Baltic pipeline did not cause a reaction from Russia - they may use an attack on a Russian city - which would result in war with Russia over the next two weeks - the lot in the USA are crooked beyond repair and I would not be surprised if the lunatics started something like that in a desperate effort to get voters to support him and the Democratic Party,.
If there is a corrupt pestilence in the world today it is the Democratic Party Regime in the USA. Ukraine has been a corruption paradise for senior Democratic Party leadership since 2014 and when in trouble with the electorate - they do weird things.
You got it wrong - the Ukraine Regime is oppressing and murdering Russian speaking people in Ukraine. By the way I did not know you believe in self-chasticemen. Biden indeed needs guidance to get out of the shit he has caused worldwide. The people of the USA are facing high levels of inflation in the USA because of his policies - but in view of the USA roll in world economics - so are you and I. The man is a puppet - but as corrupt as hell. There is ample written proof of that. God has nothing to you with that idiot
I reasd the above and saw th e map included as the situation is on 22 Octotber 2022 - the only problems Russia has in Kherson - according to the map where there are some partisans fightng the Russians - but that si a relatively small area and I cannot believe that partisans willf orce a withdrawal of the Russian army.
LOL, if you read that assessment and that's your conclusion your grasp of the English language is pretty limited.
You are obviously welcome to your beliefs and so am I. Thinking people not following the cults atr present are accused of being reactionists and not following the leftist doctrine are being told they are stupid.\ Lets see what is happening in Western Europe and the USA politically over the next three months. Let's hope for peace - but that seems to be impossible at present.
Mike is not a matter of belief. The Institute for the Study of War have daily reports on Russo-Ukraine war (and on the protests in Iran) based on information gathering from both sides.
The base their reports on information gathers from Ukrainian and western government and media reports as well as Russian government, media and Russian milbloggers as they are called, they also link their sources for everything they claim and do not used classified sources.
The evidence clearly points to Russia being in the process of evacuating Kherson and the west bank of Dnipro river. Russian new sources and milbloggers are painting a bleak picture of the situation there, while official Russian responses are currently been evasive on the topic, they have announced the evacuation of civilians from the city. This isn't due to partisan activity (though it may be playing a roll) but due to continued pressure from the Ukrainian military.
If there is anything to it - show as satellite photos of what is happening. That will prove what is really going on - I have not seen a single satellite photo of any move to withdraaw or attack anything
Most of wh at is written is based on reports which have not really been verified. I am against the Ukraine War and from the start said there should be peace negotiations to settle the issue. However, the problem why negotiations never really showed any progress should be linked to the Biden Regime.
By the way both sides in the War are targetting civilian areas and Russia has already evacuated millions of civilians from the Donbas area for their safety. I would not read too much into the removal of civillians from the war zone.
Do you actually believe that putin will negotiate an end by withdrawing from all Ukrainian land including Crimea?
He has backed himself into a position where he has no choice but continue as I can't see the Ukrainians saying there you go just keep what ever parts of our country you want and thanks for killing thousands of our people as well, it's all good.
Interesting reading your write-ups Mike. These thousands of weapons being supplied will eventually be used against the west since the corrupt Ukrainians are selling them on the black market.
It's just a gimme, gimme rational from Ukraine, now the west needs to supply billions for reconstruction,but will they?
Sure - Russia does not receive US Aid - Ukraine does. The loot of US Politicians are linked directly to aid packages and the normal kickback fee is 10%. Whenever money was handed over to the Ukraine Government the kickback system kicked in.
In the case of Clinton and her crowd - considering issues to favor the Russians let to presents to the Clinton Foundation. Biden was up to his neck involved in the Ukraine kickback system and so was Pelosi and Schiff.
I suspect that in the past the Republicans did not want to go against the crooks in the Democratic Party - but the Democrats has trodden on democratic traditions and processes aimed at any opponents to them. The FBI and Justice Department was infiltrated
and captured by the Obama Administration and they protect the Democratic Party leadership from being investigated for their involvement in corruption.
In the 2nd world War the yanks supplied the military equipment for Russia against Hitler.
In this war the yanks supply equipme nt for a neo nazi azov movement against Russia.
Politicians are rotten to the core.