It is eight years since one of the bloodiest days in what can now be seen as Ukraine’s first ‘Putin war’. As Ukraine reels from Putin’s War 2.0, it is worth remembering that, in November 2013, tens of thousands of protesters took to the streets in Kyiv, Ukraine’s thousand-year old capital city, to protest at the then President Viktor Yanukovych’s sudden decision to abandon plans to sign a free trade agreement with the European Union, blaming Russian pressure. As anti-government protests grew across the country, violence escalated, with security forces killing well over 100 protesters in Kyiv in February 2014.

By Dr Vlad Mykhnenko, Associate Professor of Sustainable Urban Development & Research Fellow, St. Peter’s College, University of Oxford

With the central government in disarray, President Yanukovych fled to Russia, with the help of Russian military intelligence and Spetsnaz special forces, rolled into Ukraine’s Crimean peninsula. By mid-March 2014, Moscow forced through a de facto annexation of Ukraine’s southernmost region. Within three weeks, Russian armed groups had seized parts of the Donbas – Ukraine’s easternmost provinces of Donetsk and Luhansk on the Russian border. The ensuing armed conflict led to at least 15,000 people being killed, 30,000 wounded, with well over 6.5 million people being permanently scarred by the brutality of the war.

The claim that the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine in 2014 was triggered by domestic and economically-determined factors did not hold water then, any more than the current Russian claims are legitimate now

Since the early occupation of the Crimea, the Kremlin has been protesting its innocence. And not much has changed over the last eight years. Back in 2014, President Putin went on television to deny Moscow’s military involvement in the war, claiming 'Ikh tam nyet [They aren’t there]'. A sarcastic social media meme (#????????) was generated, usually tagged to gruesome footage of blown-up Russian tanks and servicemen killed in action in Ukraine. 

President Putin, meanwhile, maintained the actual Ukrainian army were fighting a civil war against 'former coal-miners and tractorists' from the Donbas. But the claim that the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine in 2014 was triggered by domestic and economically-determined factors did not hold water then, any more than the current Russian claims are legitimate now.

My research, published in 2020, reveals that economic and material circumstances in the region did not generate the necessary or sufficient conditions for a locally rooted, internally-driven armed conflict. The role of the Kremlin’s military intervention was paramount for the commencement of hostilities.

Since the early occupation of the Crimea, the Kremlin has been protesting its innocence. And not much has changed over the last eight years. Back in 2014, President Putin went on television to deny Moscow’s military involvement in the war, claiming 'Ikh tam nyet [They aren’t there]'

The Ukrainian Donbas is a typical shrinking old industrial region, suffering in the post-Soviet period from rapid deindustrialisation and persistent population loss. The Russo–Ukrainian war caused tremendous damage to the region in the period 2014–2018, with the total amount of permanent asset loss amounting to over US$84.6 billion in 2013 prices.  Before the current war, the human cost of 15,000 lives lost and many millions permanently scarred by the earlier hostilities has been significant. The economic standing of Donbas as a whole, within the Ukrainian spatial economy, has more than halved, even considering the remaining economic activity in non-government-controlled territories.

During the first four years of conflict, the officially recorded aggregate regional GDP plunged by 61.1% in constant local prices and by US$20.1 billion, or 73.1%, in foreign exchange terms. In terms of industrial output, the weight of the occupied territories of Donetsk province shrank to just 20.5% of the aggregate provincial production in 2017.

Before the current war, the human cost of 15,000 lives lost and many millions permanently scarred by the earlier hostilities has been significant. The economic standing of Donbas as a whole, within the Ukrainian spatial economy, has more than halved, even considering the remaining economic activity in non-government-controlled territories

In Luhansk province, [Russian-backed] ORDLO militants control 29.8% of aggregate provincial production. After the first four years of war, workers in ORDLO were being paid about 60% of their counterparts’ earnings in the government-controlled areas, just over a third of the pre-war wage, a loss of 62–66% in purchasing power terms. As the economic situation in ORDLO continues to deteriorate, the population outflow from the region has inevitably increased.

The evidence shows clearly that ORDLO as a whole, let alone its two separate Donetsk and Luhansk sections, has an insufficient economic and demographic basis for anything resembling a financially and materially sustainable future as an independent statelet. The occupied Donbas is heavily dependent on Russia and formally governed by Moscow’s Inter-Ministerial Commission for the Affected Districts, which acts as a shadow civilian government.

The annual cost to Russia of sustaining ORDLO and maintaining and resupplying the armed formations operating there is in the region of US$5 billion. It is a costly, but entirely affordable affair in the medium term, given that the total stock of financial assets controlled by the Russian state amounts to R30.7 trillion (US$507 billion).

Nevertheless, Moscow’s prolonged involvement in other frozen conflicts across the post-Soviet space, including its extraordinarily deep patronage of Transnistria, Abkhazia and South Ossetia, does not bode well for a peaceful settlement in the Ukrainian Donbas. Indeed, President Putin’s Executive Order No. 183 of 24 April 2019, providing ORDLO residents with a fast-track procedure for obtaining Russian citizenship, has followed similar moves towards ‘passportisation’ in Russian protectorates, and is clearly aimed at deterring Ukraine from regaining its control over these territories in the future.The growing international pressure on Moscow, including further escalation of the Western economic sanctions’ regime against the Kremlin, its administrative apparatus and associated business interests, may provide an incentive to resolve the current Russian–Ukrainian stalemate as far as the occupied territories are concerned.

This has demonstrated that the ongoing armed conflict between Russia and Ukraine was not economically determined and cannot be explained in terms of economic rationality.

Despite the existence of some long-term baseline separatism, the Donbas was neither outstandingly prosperous nor excessively economically depressed—relative to the rest of Ukraine—to warrant an armed uprising of its own volition. Even before Putin’s War on Ukraine 2.0, the evidence presented here points to the paramount role of exogenous political agency (i.e., the Russian military intervention) and of endogenous military geography (dense urban environment in close proximity to the Russian border) in explaining the outbreak of the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine in April 2014.

The full paper, ‘Causes and Consequences of the War in Eastern Ukraine: An Economic Geography Perspective’, by Vlad Mykhnenko was published in Europe-Asia Studies, and is available online as an Open Access article at  https://doi.org/10.1080/09668136.2019.1684447.

 A Russian language version of the paper is also available as ???? ???????? (2020) ??????? ? ??????????? ????? ? ????????? ???????: ????????????-?????????????? ??????. ????? ?????????? ????????????????????? ??????? ? ???????? / Forum für osteuropäische Ideen- und Zeitgeschichte, 17(1-2): 146-187.

Vlad Mykhnenko holds a doctorate in political economy from the University of Cambridge and is Associate Professor and Fellow of St Peter’s College, University of Oxford. Dr Mykhnenko specialises in geographical political economy and is the author of The Political Economy of Post-Communism: The Donbas and Upper Silesia in Transition (2011). He has written numerous articles on post-Soviet transformations and regional and urban economic development, currently serving on the editorial board of Eurasian Geography an Economics.

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Good read.

Garbage from western brainless media

This is total twisted BS.    Let start off with a story about how thousands of "protestor for four months were protesting against the Kiev Government elected in 2013 in an election supervised by the EU.   In terms of the results the outcome was at least democratic.    So lets accept there were protests in Kiev where the whole BS  started,   Who funded those protests and what was the result.    Thousands of protestors cannot on their own bring down an elected Government.   If the election was democratic in terms of the Ukraine Constitution why the support of an undemocratic takeover of Government.    

The story about the joining of the EU by Ukraine was twisted as well.    I think that joining the EU is in fact a long drawn out process where the country has tio make adjustment according to EU ruies to qualify for membership.    It was not automatically granted on application.   Turkey and Serbia has been trying to join the EU for years and has not been admitted yet.   The EU would offer terms and conditions to which a member has to comply.   It was never a case of autiomatic admission when countries apply fior membership.    In any event although the elected President promised that an application would be made for such membership - the conditions laid down by tjhe EU were such that it would result in short term sacrifices that would cause damage to the interests of the corrupt Government in Kiev.   After all - the Ukraine Government since independence in 1991 was accxepted as the msot corupt Government in Europe.    

Then we go back to the the ancient capital of Kiev.    There were some truth to it that Kiev was the capital of Russia when the son of Rurik moved from Novgorod to Kiev - but the ancient city was destroyed in 1340 by the Golden Hoard and then after the collapse of the Golden Hoard by the Polish confederation with their capital being Warshaw, who ruled in Kiev until 1776 - it was in fact a capital of nothing until 1991.    When it became the capital city of the new Demcoratic Republic of Ukraine.    What the Constitution of 1991 provided for was a new Country altogether and created a state where 36% of the population were ethnic Russians.    The  only reason why the country of Ukraine as it was came into being was the Constitution that created a Democratic State.    However, what that propaganda BS from Oxford left out was that the change of February 2014 was an Unconstitutional Change of Government. and consequently discarding of the Constitution of the country.  It also failed to mention that Nuland openly discussed who should be in the Interim Government in Ukraine - and that is a fact as well.  The fact is the USA decided who should take over the Government of Ukraine in 2014.       

The Civil War in Eastern Ukraine was only partly the result of the economic factors and the whole article never mentioned a word about the fact that most people in Eastern Ukraine were ethnic Russians who with reason feared for their safety under the new Unconstitutional Regime in Kiev.    That fact is always hidden from the above BS.   It was better to hide propaganda BS behind so-called economic factors.    That makes the article quoted into total BS.   The fact that 36% of the Ukraine population is and was ethnic Russians are not mentioned once - but then according to the propaganda piece that was not a factor at all.

My argument is not based on the economic factor - it is based on tw o issues that the article ignored totally and those are the unconstitutionality caused by the regime change in Kiev  and the fact that the Russian population of Ukraine was under threat by the uncosntitutional Government created in Kiev by undemocratic means.   

Since the article ignored those two facts it is not worth the paper it is written on.                .    .

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Great demolition job Mike. 

The US state Department (Victoria Nuland) and the CIA Overthrew the duly elected pro Russia president

They made war on the Russians of East Ukraine. It was a genocide killing some 14,000 Russians. They made Russians second class citizens. 

US led Nato began a rapid build up of the Ukranian military. Missiles were pointed at Russia and over 40 US Bio Labs were established in Russia's doorstep doing gain of function research. 

After promising not to move one inch east they moved 1000 km east. They made probably bogus promises that Ukraine would join NATO in order to provoke Russia. 

They ignored Russian protests repeatedly.

Russia finally, to underline their concerns, sent in a small force of some 90,000 troops. The ploy worked and peace talks were held resulting in an agreement signed by Zelensky and the Russian. This was not acceptable to the illigitimate Biden Regime who then sent Boris Johnston to scupper the peace deal. 

Those are the indisputable FACTS. 

As a consequence 500,000 Ukrainian and 50,000 Russian troops have died and many more have been severely injured. Ukraine has suffered catastrophic damage. 

Biden and his cronies have made bilions. Zelensky is said to be worth 1 billion dollars. 

However sentiment against this war has turned sharply against the ligitimate Biden Regime. 

No problem they had been planing a war in Gaza for some time. Le aving 83 billion dollars in military equipment in Afghanistan now being found in Gaza. Building up Iran by not enforcing sanction and sending them billions all the while knowing that Iran was the chief funder of Hamas.

Elections have consequences and rigged elections have disastrous consequences as all but the blind can now clearly set. 

The Bots get schooled….make up their own version of the truth….and then congratulate each other.

there's a bit of that on both sides...

I  don't think Russia was provoked enough to justify their invasion of Ukraine,  but it's not like there was absolutely zero provocation...then one must ask yourself why...why risk a senseless war?

...well, I don't know, but I think much more could have been done to prevent it and to end it since it started...

The Boer War went on for 3 years and nearly destroyed my volk and nation...the bloodshed totally preventable but for silly pride..

That was a 121 years ago and we still see the scars today...I suspect the same thing for Ukraine...the glory and honor dying defending your country...tell that to the kids growing up without their fathers and mothers...absolute tragedy in a so called modern Western civilised world...there's no excusing this either way...both dwarfs behind this should be exiled to Mars.

Mozart you are tal;ing shit as well.   Just answer a few questions please:-

*    Was the 2014 protests causing a change of Government CONSTITUTIONAL?

*     Who decided who should be in the Interim Government after the change in Government in Ukraine after the 2014 coup?

*     Does Ukraine have a costitution at present?

* was the factor that 36% of the Ukraine was ethnic Russians ever accepted by you as fact.   Was they under threat from reactionaries in the Ukraine Government in 2014 and since

If you answer the above questions honestly you may show some knowledge of things you showed nothing off thus far iro Ukraine.   .    

...not to mention the curb on religious freedom for alleged collaboration by the Orthodox Church with Russia sympathizers...and the banning of some political parties...and the suspension of elections...all things that should be red flags in a modern civilised country...the same things can be said about Putin's Russia,  but that doesn't absolve Zelensky. ..too much smoke for there not to be a fire of sorts somewhere...throw in the billions of aid and there's just too much incentive in an already extremely corrupt country. 

All these points are debated. But look at it this way, if Ukraine was a nation divided they could never have sustained the suffering they have experienced. The fact that you hear more about dissension in Russia than Ukraine makes it very clear, the Ukrainian people are fully committed.

That includes the ethnic Russians who are 48% of the population in Donetsk….but only 17% in the country. How do you get these easily verifiable facts so wrong Clever….every number you post is inevitably wrong.incredible how you can create 38% out of 17%.

But if these ethnic Russians were against Ukraine the western part of Ukraine would be a write off. They aren’t….many identify as Ukrainians

"All these points are debated"

Ofcourse they are...as they should be, but this is a much more complex issue than some makes it out to be.

NOTHING justifies the invasion & our Russian Bots are lower than sharkshit  ............... their interspersing praise for Putin & Jesus ................... repugnant.

Sies....................... what mindset enthusiastically supports a fascist autocracy?

there's a bit of that on both sides...

There's really not.

I  don't think Russia was provoked enough to justify their invasion of Ukraine,  but it's not like there was absolutely zero provocation...then one must ask yourself why...why risk a senseless war?

The nature of the Russian regime is what provoked Ukraine like other countries to try to join NATO. It was Ukraine's way of avoiding a war.

...well, I don't know, but I think much more could have been done to prevent it and to end it since it started...

Don't play dumb, you know why Ukraine pursued the course it did. As for avoiding the war there was only two options, appeasement or the west offering to go to war with Russia if they attacked Ukraine. Option 1 is a terrible option that would only encourage Russia and other countries to do the same thing a few years down the road. Option 2 might have worked but also might have lead to nuclear war.

As for trying to end the war, yes more can be done by the west to give Ukraine the tools they need quickly and in enough quantity to win the war as opposed to drip feeding them.  A diplomatic path to ending the war is purely down to Ukraine and Russia and neither of them are interested right now.

The Boer War went on for 3 years and nearly destroyed my volk and nation...the bloodshed totally preventable but for silly pride..

That was a 121 years ago and we still see the scars today...I suspect the same thing for Ukraine...the glory and honor dying defending your country...tell that to the kids growing up without their fathers and mothers

Ukraine is not fighting for glory or honor, although one could argue its people and soldiers have incidentally obtained both but they did not seek it or this conflict. They are simply fighting for their freedom.

They can tell this to kids who lost parents, your parent's died so you and other children could be free.

absolute tragedy in a so called modern Western civilised world

War is just as tragic in others parts of the world, it just doesn't get as much TV coverage, nor does it get as politicized. But here is the thing, this is a struggle about Ukraine trying to join the Western civilized world but a brutal authoritarian regime is hell bent on stopping them.

there's no excusing this either way

Stop victim blaming.

both dwarfs behind this should be exiled to Mars.

There is only "dwarf" behind this war.

...not to mention the curb on religious freedom for alleged collaboration by the Orthodox Church with Russia sympathizers...and the banning of some political parties...and the suspension of elections...all things that should be red flags in a modern civilised country

Emm...Well they would be...if it wasn't for a fact there is a war going on in the country and a 5th of the country is under occupation.

...the same things can be said about Putin's Russia. 

Putin doesn't need to ban political parties or suspend elections because Russia is an authoritarian state without democracy and the church is firmly under Kremlin control, pushing its narrative.

but that doesn't absolve Zelensky. ..too much smoke for there not to be a fire of sorts somewhere...throw in the billions of aid and there's just too much incentive in an already extremely corrupt country.

Reckon this is your political ideology predisposing you to paint Zelensky to be pretty much just as bad as Putin basically because Zelensky didn't just surrender or make concessions (hence he's bloodthirsty) or the fact that he speaks well in interviews and he comes across as gasp kinda competent must mean he's a puppet of the west. Hence your repeated insinuations of  some vague conspiracy with your "there is no smoke without fire" mantra.

throw in the billions of aid and there's just too much incentive in an already extremely corrupt country.

Oh it is a corrupt country and yes we have seen corruption in the form of those running Ukrainian conscription offices taking bribes to allow Ukrainian's of fighting age to avoid being conscripted. No evidence has yet been produced of widespread fraud when it comes to the aid sent to Ukraine. Might have something to do with Ukraine...you know like needing most oft that aid to fight Russia?

Of course there is also been several notably examples of Ukrainian government trying to crack down on corruption during the war something the EU just recently praised Ukraine for.  You going give credit to Zelensky for that?

"All these points are debated"

I'm not on the fence...I stated numerous times that the agregate of the blame lies with Russia.

I despise Russia...they are of the same ilk as the ANC scum who are destroying  my country...but I'm telling you Zelensky is no saint...things aren't  just black or white...there are many shades of grey.

Jislaaik, jy's definitely a Draad-sitter .

Mozart and Ztav

You are totally spreading BS on site.   The 36% figuire came from the so-called official sensus census figures as to the home languages used by residents from the 2001 census.   . In Odessa all people are Ukraine citizens - yet the home language of 96% of the people use  Russian as their home language.     In any event lets look at the decent questions I asked Mozart anyway.   Why is he totally quiet about the issue of the  Constitution of Ukraine.  The country has no Constitution and that is a fact.

The Kiev Regime introduced a series of measures that would be unaccprtable in any civilized Democracy of which none is left in Ukraine.    How come the regime started a system of active oppression of Ukraine Russian speaking people of which I gave a string of examples?    Thiose are factual and not imaginary.   

All the Russian speaking people are actively supporting their own exitinction - amazing conclusion.   They are fighting for the Ukraine Government whise policies aimed at the latter -    But then any Russian speaking people are sub-humnans that cannot think for themselves.    AMAZING BS.    By the way - in censuses the people gave their citizenship as Ukrainian and their home language whatever it is.   You try and use the citizenship figures as reflecting the l.    

So lets get to Stav now and his twisted statements:- rather it was so wrong on everything and proven as BS in the past - that I would not waste my time on it.    he claims so many issues that was dealt with under oath in the US Senate as being proven wrong - that I would not waste further time on it.    

Another thing you ignore is the fact that you ignore is what happened in the 2013 election and go and look where the elec tred President got his votes from.   It was basically from central and astern Ukraine.    A los go and found out what Zelenskyy campaignedf fcor in 2019 in the election - he was campaigning and got support to reach a peaceful settlement in Eastern Ukraine.    That promnise was dxropped like a hot potato after Senator Menendez paid Ukraine a visit..     

The fact is that the USA Gov ernment cov er the full operational costs of the Ukraine Government  and not only the war expenses.    Tax collection in Ukraine ahs collapsed totally  and they get their income from the USA.in budgetary support.   How does that imply in practice.   The US Government give instructions and the Proxy Government execute them.   The fact is the present Ukraine si nothiung more than a colony of the USA .  FACT      .    

All I can say to the two characters is - happy Warmongering IDIOTS day to both of you.     

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That constitution was what was approved by the Ukraine voters in 1991 -  it was nullified in 2014 and when the Ukraine Prosecutor tried it when dealing with arrested Parliamantarfians she was fired by the Zelesnkyy Government.    The Constitution in fact does not Exist since 2014 and was accepted in the Minsk agreement by the German and French Governments as essential and a process of implementattion was consequently included in the signed Minsk agreement.    

It has not been used since 2014 and is not in existence at present.    That issue was a major component of the Minsk agreement of 2015 as approved by the UN Security Council.    If it was implemented there would have been no War in Ukraine.   .          .    .   . 

Go and read what the Constitution says about language right  and compare the laws past by the Ukraine Government since 2014 and you will in those laws ignore the constitutional provisions totally.      No Democratic Government will pass unconstitutional legislation and get away with it.         

Well done Mike once again you demolish these clowns with consummate ease. 

I note that having listed the facts regarding who instigated this war, who keeps it going and who refuses peace, there has been no refutation of the facts. 

They also can't answer the fact that Angelo Merkel admitted they used the Minsk accords to get more time to build up the Ukrainian Army as they had been doing since 2014.

So we have Nato continually expanding east dispite promises they wouldnt. We had Henry Kissinger saying this was a mistake as it threatened Russian security.

Obviously this is true. Missiles on Ukrainian soil pointed at Moscow only some 800 miles away. Then we have dangerous US gain of function labs that could produce bio weapons right on Russia's BORDERS.

Then we have the Zelensky forces, including the Nazi Asov Battalion slaughtering Russians in tbe Donbass who appealed to Putin for aid. 

The surprise is Putin waited all these many years before sending in troops! Amazing restraint.

So now we have clowns ike tbe Mozzzzquito, StavASS and Blobbrain left supporting Zelensky and the corrupt Ukraine government thst came to power on aie that they wanted peace!

However when Boris arrived with orders from Corrupt Pedo Biden. Zelensky walked away from the peace deal. 

So now Mozzzzquito, StavASS and Blobbrain support a Undemocratic Regime that has banned tbe press, the opposition and waged war on the Ukrainian Orthodox Church. A Regime that is engaged in Massive money laundering and that props up the share prices of companiesine Raytheon which mozz bragged about owning and how well they were doing.

They are left supporting a Regime that is riddled with Nazis. Doubtless these mongs also support Trudeau.

Had Biden to instigated the war, scuppered the peace talks, funded the war all this would not have happened. It would never have happened under Trump. 

Now they stand exposed as both liars and war mongering crazies. 

Fortunately the America public has woken up to the truth and now support for the war is evaporating. 

But never mind old mozzz'Raytheon shares will still do well as they have been planning tbe Israeli war for some time and now it's going on. Then there is the opportunity to sell arms to Taiwan etc etc. 

One thing for sure Putin governs Russia far better than Biden does America. Neither is Putin a pedophile like Biden. America under Biden has become a police state with a weapinized DOJ, FBI and corrupt judges and corript Soros funded DAs. Freedom of Spoech has suffered. Elections are rigged. Borders are open with disastrous consequences 

No under Biden America is imoding and is a menace to peace on the World.

Yes of course, as often hapoens Draad is sitting on the fence. Not a man you can go to war with. Needs the approval of even the likes of tbe bent Mozzzzquito, StavASS and the hapless brain dead Blobbrain! 

Bye the way what is wrong with the Russian peace terms - a neutral Ukraine, Russian speaking provinces reverting to Russia and the denazification of Ukraine.

Tell me what is wrong with these terms. 

Mike (as old as he is), Beeno and Moonrover are the only posters that have guts to stand up against liars...there are others that don't speak out because they are probably honest enough to realise that they really don't know and some who are wise enough to know that they don't truthfully understand, whilst the empty troll barrels make the most noise. Frustrated individuals, mixed up with emotions of hatred and confusion, too young to know what armed conflict is, never been there, don't know it's like to see your comrade get a bullet in his head or his feet blown off. Most guys who have experienced this, don't talk about it, in fact they hate war. 

I have said it before, and I will say it again - it is only the backward religious fools that support Putin. 

 I said it before - you, are the most self-opinionated idiot ever.   Whenever you have no facts to offer you use religion as a cover your stupidity to discuss things logically.   Nobody hates the West - and I for one despise th e Woke culture that has taken hold in the world.

You hate culture and historic facts - because you have no real understnanding of the world.   When people destroy economies to get power - like is happening  in the USA - there is no civilization left.   When brainwashed idiots are told to hate others and attack art works with hammers and paint because they believe the propaganda iro0 the Global Warming lies - finally described as BS by over 1600 scientists worldwide - you support the idiots believing it.   When countries have open borders they apparently are right in destruction of the so-called western civilization  of which virtually nothing new si left - what was good is being destroyed by idiotic brainwashed cunts like you.

You know yourself that you are talking kak.   Iran is using subsidiaries to attack US bases in Syria and Iraq.   The US fucked up totally in Iraq by starting an endless war.   They use their proxy puppets in Kiev to cause a war nobody bar the USA wanted.    The weak Government in Washington cause the destabilization of the world by corrupt idiots.   If there are wars in future see what the role of the  USA are.    They are now stabbing Israel in the back and betray there US Jewish citizens.    

Neither North Korea and Iran will start open war against anybody.   North Korea is a puppet Government under China  who are testing nuclear bombs and intercontinental missiles - which they stopped when Trump negotiated on a peaceful solution to the Korea issue.   Now they are back to firing missiles - a dangerous practice that can cause retaliation by the USA.    

Iran will not start a war against anybody they are members of BRICS - who insisted on peaceful settlement of issues.   BRICS knew exactly the fact that the USA instigated the war in Ukraine that could have been avoided through negotiations.   Why France and Germany tried negotiation the USA sabotaged it.    The USA wanted the War and got it.   

Biden destabilized the world after things were stable when Trump was President - now the world and society is in chaos because of the Biden puppet presidency.    If there are any other wars it is bound to be started by the USA.    As  Kissinger said years ago - It is dangerous to be an enemy of the USA - it is even more dangerous to be a friend or partner of the USA.  He knew what he was talking about.   The USA  is like a rudderless ship with broken engine drifting around in a busy sea-lane.   You  are  too brainwashed to understand what is going on in the world.

I fear nothing more than destruction of the western civilization - you do not even understand it  is happening already and as an idiot in fact you are a supporter of such destruction.    .                      .        

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Demolish this Clever:

‘ According to the 2001 census, there are 8,334,100 Russians and Russian-speakers in Ukraine. recorded in the 2001 census Russians dominate industry, administration and education in the urban areas of the east and south. By 1989, although Russians were only in the majority in Crimea, they formed sizeable minorities in many of the other regions – Donets’k (43.6 per cent), Luhans’k (44.8 per cent), Kharkiv (33.2 per cent), Dnipropetrovs’k (24.2 per cent), Zaporozhia (32 per cent) and Odesa (27.4 per cent). The post-independence period saw a reduction in the numbers of Russians in Ukraine, who accounted for 17.3 per cent of the republic’s population according to the 2001 census.’

17.3%….have you finally got it?

Schplottttttt!

Mozazrt

Do you really beleive the BS  ypu are spreading.    You mix up totally the issue of language usage in Ukraine with citizenship.    You appraently beleive the Russian speaking population in just disappearied into nothing.    You believe that the Constitution of Ukraine protecting usage of Russians by the cosntitution is still in place.    You .also believe that the Russian speaking people support the Ukraine Government policies to destroy them through ethnic cleansing - the stated policy of the Ukraine regime.

To support your stupidity you do not look at the 2013 election results in Ukraine and where the majority votes came from - namely from Central and Eastern Ukraine.   

You ignore that at least  the 100 000 Russian speakers from Eastern Ukraine serving in the Russian forces defending their lives and residences from destruction by the Ukraine army are non-existent  

Why do you think that Zelenskyy won the 2019 election?   He campaigned on the basis that he will settle the East Ukraine Civil war through negotiation.   That lasted only a few moths after the election until he got the clear message of the US Government - he has to follow USA instructions or face demise as a politician.         

This is unbelievable BS you are spreading here,    If you believe that BS you are spreading you also must believe the moon is made of green cheese.         

Another Yank with cajones.

Stands up against the lies. No he is not Russian presidents mouthpiece.

https://www.youtube.com/live/VOmxCoI0h_Y?si=n6yz_sLoPzJ8awn3

Just a honest man.

The light has been switched on and all the cockroaches are fleeing for the cracks and crevices in desperation.

From Shane

https://youtu.be/NE3mHhpGV2A?si=2wRJBOEhDxPd1hXw

Thanks for trhe video reflecting  what Biden said weeks before the sabotage of the NordStream pipeline - he claimed it dies bot exi.s t.    Three monthsw later it happenmed        

Mozzz is a total frothing jackass and sharktwit is so blinded he can't understand what he reads here. 

The halfbake doesn't understand that these Globalist are busy destroying Western Civization. The enemy is within. 

It's not Putin imposing Open Borders on Europe and America!!!

Its not Putin who has created a gigantic American national debt of 33 trillion. 

It's not Putin shutting down America and European energy production. 

It's not Putin Overseeing economic decline in Europe and America. 

It's not Putin waging a war on food production in Europe and America. 

It's not Putin who is undermining decent moral values in the West. 

It's not Putin forcing LGBT. 

It's not Putin murdering 63 million unborn Children in America since Roe v Wade in 1973.

It's not Putin waging a war on Children 

One could go on and on and on. 

What is destroying the West is planned and deliberate. 

Perhaps the illigitimate Biden Regime's biggest achievement has been to spur on a widespread antagonism against the West leading to a rapid  rise in China led BRICS. Leading to the dethronement of the dollar which is a disaster unfolding before our eyes. 

Sharktwit is so endoctrinated he can't see it. 

Mozzz is a Globalist, Part of the elite and is all in on the Globalist agenda. That much is certain. 

I have posted the facts underlining the Ukraine war. They have not been rebutted. 

Neither did these cowards answer my question asking what is wrong with Russian peace terms. 

This buffoon is actually trying to deny thst the Russians are in a huge majority in East Ukraine. What an outright liar. The nutjob is as bent as a boomerang. It's disgusting how he lies on this forum time and again. 

We are far from wanting the destruction of the West you  morons. We are appalled by what the ruling Globalist elites are doing to the West. 

1,600 × 900

1,080 × 608

Clever I do so appreciate your numbers plucked out of the ionosphere…..but on balance I’ll still with the 2001 census,

It is a distortiinn - the home language of 96% of the population in for isnatnce use RBussian as tghei home language.   Your mad idea that the Russian speaking people in the Ukraine is committing suicide by supporting the Ukraine Regime is laughable.

Anyway the UA will sabotage any negotiations anyway - so the fact is the Ukraine will fight on on instruction from Washington.    The Russians are not the idiots you make themselves gui;lty of war crimes yourself guilty of by lying on site.   They wanted the Ukraine self-destruct themselves by attacking the defensive line of the oblasts the Rusians have already conquered.

Before the war started there was an agreerment reached in Minsk in 2015 - that would have been a viable Ukraine left as a country - now if there is a peace agreement Ukraine would lose about 25 to 30% % of its prewar territory.   That aside from the Lvov region inhabitated by Poles will also be a goner.   The counter-offensive campaign supposed to start in June has collapsed and the  Ukraine military command realizes it.   From defending the line the Russians created in Eastern Ukraine to start attacking the other areas the Russians ibntend to occupy - Kharkov and Odessa has already started.   

If Ukraine survive as a state on its own it will have lost circa  a massive part of its territory and be weakened totally.   It all could have been avoided if the USA did not control the Ukraine Government totally and the Minsk agreement was implemented.    The only real requirement at the time was that Ukraine should sign onto a neutrality agreement - like Austria did in 1955 and still adhere to by Austria refusing to become a NATO member.    .    

But there is another issue here the USA wants to get their hands on.   The Oil and Gas resources of Ukraine are basically in the Donbas area and if Ukraine loses that the USA will lose access to it.   The USA also want to get their hands on the Sevastopol naval f acilities of the Russian fleet in the Black sea.   That makes it possible to control the whole southern part of Russia. by putting guided missiles in the Crimea. and in Ukraine anyway.        .   .    .    .   .    .   .           .   .  

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Wonderful BS spreading.   How many countries have since applied for BRICS nenbership and ahow many previous staunch allies of the USA has been deserting them,    Of the ex-Allies already admitted by BRICS which were previously firm allies of the USA - like Egypt, Saudi Arabia  and the United Arab Emirates are all gone.   Turkey is about to join BRICS too.   

The real reason is they distrust the US Government and try to protect themselves from being involved in wars caused by the USA in the first instance.    Of te 35 African embers agreeing with the notion still in the UN - 35 have left the US supporting countries and zero remains   .      .      

I have the census….you have nothing, so you keep changing the subject.

You have a distoriton of F-A.    

Every body is very tired of wars and interference. We all want to be left alone according to our customs, ways, traditions and forms of rule. We don't need a powerful hypocritical government, that does NOT live up to it's own standards to tell us how to run our own affairs in and interfere with us. We are not the same, neither do we want to be. We all have our own identity and want to live and let live. USA (or any other) must endeavour to clean up their own backyards first and respect our differences. That's what true freedom is. We take responsibility for our own and it's none of our business in others .Nobody likes to be controlled by others.

USA must bugger off.

Seb it's the Globalist ruling in the EU and tbe USA, Canada, Australia and NZ that must get the boot.

They hate freedom and want total control. 

There are many e, celkentvpeople in the USA who are appalled at what is happening to their country.

We need the EU Countries, USA, Canada etc to become democracies again. We need that to counter what the CCP is building. 

We need to get Russia out of that camp as Trump wanted to do.