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Jun 04, 2021, 08:01

Looks like VisKop's hero Fauci is in some hot water.


As we all suspected, the guidance on Covid within the US was driven by self-interest and politics.


It now appears rather clear that Fauci, who said he was muzzled by Trump and also said he wasn't muzzled by Trump...go figure, was playing politics and running cover for China. 


Why?


A few reasons apparently. 


Firstly, because he was covering for himself and his involvement with the Wuhan lab. As recently as last week he lied under oath in this regard.


More importantly, Trump called all of this in the first half of 2020. He pointed the finger at China, said he'd seen intelligence that warranted an investigation into the Wuhan lab and yet Fauci rubbished this and said it was basically certain that the virus came from nature. This while Fauci's email tell an entirely different story.


The Dem leadership all called Trump racist and all the lefty media jumped on board and in cahoots with big tech silenced people that suggested this may have come from a lab.


Now we know that Fauci knew.


It's very easy to discern motive in this case.


...and its becoming clear that Trump was alerting people to what could be considered an act of war by China.



The pointman in the cover-up is now being exposed and he seems to be in hot water.


More to come.



Jun 04, 2021, 10:56

Tell us again about "zi science", VisKop.



Jun 04, 2021, 11:49

Fauci did approve funding for research into Coronaviruses in China, for the simple reason that SARS and MERS were from China. 

The consensus at this stage that it was "most likely" natural, and not man-made. However, the man-made origin and escaping from a lab have not been ruled out. Most people are calling for a more in-depth investigation to uncover the whole truth. (for example, is it true that the first people who were sick from Covid were from the labs. Is this myth or fact- and investigation is needed). 

Any budget approved by Fauci, the government would be aware of this. At the very least the accounting department in a government and the president would know. 
From what I understand some funding may have been approved for Coronavirus research in China during the Trump era. 

Apparently, Obama stopped viral gain of function research, but this started again within the US under the Trump administration. I dont think it was Coronavirus-related though.
(Where tests are run to see if a virus can, for example, be made more infectious). 

It is however unlikely that China intentionally unleashed this virus upon themselves, in order to spread it around the world.

A biological weapon may be used in this way in the future, assuming that a vaccine was created beforehand to protect whoever created it. 

What would be interesting is if a much weaker strain of Covid could be intentionally created. And make it much more infectious so it becomes the dominant strain and shuts out all other ones. Then everyone could get Covid but it would be asymptomatic and harmless. Could be a way to kick out strains of the virus by making them compete with each other- with the harmless one being the most infectious. Science may not be advanced enough at this stage to tinker with nature in this way, but it could be effective in the future- if not now. It would be a hybrid of a vaccine and a virus, that would spread naturally - instead of by injection. Weaker harmless strains could then out-compete the dangerous strains by being much more infectious. 

As much as the conspiracists hate it, at worst Fauci and the rest of the US government made an error funding research into Coronaviruses.
However, given that Covid is around, following SARS and MERS - perhaps research should be funded to help prevent the next virus from China. (and with this, extensive access for WHO and other bodies to visit China to do health inspections). 

Jun 06, 2021, 22:16

Irrespective of what Sharktit posts Fauci has been exposed as a Demorat operative.

Bitter, twisted and corrupt.

Jun 07, 2021, 08:09

"Apparently, Obama stopped viral gain of function research, but this started again within the US under the Trump administration. I dont think it was Coronavirus-related though.

(Where tests are run to see if a virus can, for example, be made more infectious). 

True, but it was Obama himself who started it again, just before leaving office....among other things...


Recommended Policy Guidance for Potential Pandemic Pathogen Care and Oversight
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Summary: OSTP Issues “Recommended Policy Guidance for Departmental Development of Review Mechanisms for Potential Pandemic Pathogen Care and Oversight (P3CO)"
Today, the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP) is releasing “Recommended Policy Guidance for Departmental Development of Review Mechanisms for Potential Pandemic Pathogen Care and Oversight (P3CO).”  Adoption of these recommendations will satisfy the requirements for lifting the current moratorium on certain life sciences research that could enhance a pathogen’s virulence and/or transmissibility to produce a potential pandemic pathogen (an enhanced PPP).

Issuance of this policy guidance concludes the deliberative process launched in October 2014 by OSTP and the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). At that time, OSTP and HHS asked the National Science Advisory Board for Biosecurity (NSABB), as informed by feedback from the National Research Council of the National Academy of Sciences, to provide recommendations to help shape the development and adoption of a new United States Government policy governing the funding and conduct of this category of research. While NSABB deliberated, such projects were placed on pause.

In May 2016, after thorough deliberation and extensive input from domestic and international stakeholders, the NSABB issued its recommendations. NSABB’s central finding was that studies that are expected to enhance PPP have potential benefits to public health but also entail significant risks. NSABB recommended that such studies warranted additional scrutiny prior to being funded. NSABB further recommended a Department-level, multi-disciplinary review and ongoing Federal and institutional oversight for this category of research. The recommended policy guidance that OSTP is issuing today will implement this approach. 

In particular, the recommended policy guidance implements the NSABB’s call for a pre-funding review mechanism for certain research proposals. Toward that end, the policy guidance recommends that Federal departments and agencies establish appropriate review processes if they plan to fund studies anticipated to create, transport, or use enhanced PPP. In their reviews, Departments and agencies are asked to establish that such projects satisfy eight specified principles, to assess the projects’ risks and benefits, and to develop risk mitigation plans that are commensurate with the projects’ risks. They are also requested to report the outcome of any such reviews to the OSTP Director, along with the associated risk-benefit analyses and risk mitigation plans.

Projects that have been paused under the existing moratorium will now be reviewed utilizing a process consistent with the recommended policy guidance. Any projects that are determined suitable to proceed will do so with appropriate risk mitigation measures in place.  

HHS is also committing to additional actions. First, HHS will ask the NSABB to continue to provide advice on the oversight of the creation, transport, or use of enhanced PPP.  After HHS has reviewed its paused projects and made decisions about whether and how those projects will proceed, NSABB will review the process employed by HHS and provide advice, if necessary. Continued NSABB input will be essential to ensuring robust oversight of these projects.  Further, discussing the department-level review process with NSABB will promote transparency and provide valuable forums for continued public dialogue.

Second, given that studies involving enhanced PPP are often described as “dual use” research, HHS is currently conducting a review of the implementation of policies for the oversight of dual use research of concern (DURC). HHS has asked NSABB to host a series of regional stakeholder meetings to gather information about the implementation of the DURC policies, and it will also solicit feedback more broadly related to their implementation. 

Policy development in this important area of research will be ongoing. OSTP and HHS will continue to examine implementation of the policies and procedures that are developed to provide oversight of enhanced PPP, and they will continue to engage the public along the way. 

Jun 07, 2021, 10:37

Vister,

You're view is far too simplistic.

Firstly, the end doesn't always justify the means in science or in public policy. Yes, being prepared for virus outbreaks is important. But not important enough to risk bringing one on ourselves. And while that risk is as low as it can be in some places, there were reports of poor safety controls in the Wuhan lab. Also, as I mentioned previously, Chinese labs apparently have a poor track record as far as viruses "escaping". 

We still haven't seen the safety logs, have we? This interesting, no? With labs like these, one would think that funders have access to safety docs. I bet you it's in the contract and I'll even go out on a limb and say that there's probably a time limitation on it. 

At the very least, saying Fauci merely made "a" mistake, is wildly inaccurate.

And that's just for starters.







Jun 07, 2021, 12:11

So Fauci wanted to infect the world with Covid? 
ButtPlug's alternate Meton reality....

Jun 07, 2021, 12:59

And in Viskop's brainwashed state, that's what he interpreted from what I said. 

Vissie, we hit your limit long ago.

Jun 07, 2021, 13:16

If you are going to dodge the statement, what exactly are you accusing Fauci of? 


- Mass Genocide
- Corruption, theft, bribes etc 
- Incompetence
- Working with the CCP as a double agent

????

Do you want him fired?
Do you want him arrested?

See when you look at it rationally, what exactly has Fauci done that is wrong? 
You have no tangible accusations, but you want Fauci to be accountable for something- because he disagrees with your master Trump

Jun 07, 2021, 13:32

Just to point out that it wasn't too long agao that Fauci was the darling of Baboon-ou and the Trumpanzees. 

While Fauci was nodding his head and endorsing Bozo's ridiculous and ignorant statements about Covid he was Baboon-ou's hero. As soon as he grew a spine, started doing his job and contradicted Bozo, he suddenly became the most evil and twisted man on the planet.

Jun 07, 2021, 13:57

Viskop, 

Let's just deal with one thing at a time.

That of a funding body's responsibility RE ethics and safety for projects they fund. Now when said research is on deadly viruses, does it appear to you as though a successful exercise in due diligence was undertaken by the people under Fauci? 

You said "As much as the conspiracists hate it, at worst Fauci and the rest of the US government made an error funding research into Coronaviruses."

I've just demonstrated to you that Fauci(National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases) made at least more than one error here. That of failing to force the Chinese to perform to the full extent of the contract they would have signed and deliver the safety logs that they were very likely bound by contract to deliver.

I know that this is pointless because you won't keep up but I'll try anyway.

Zoom out a little and remember that there were MANY professionals and scientists that were calling for the lab leak theory to be properly investigated. 

It's clear that the Fowch didn't/couldn't force China to provide clarity and that after that he failed his position by not following up accordingly. 

Two weeks ago he testified that, despite the above, he had no reason not to trust China.

Where in your life would a grantee refuse to provide information in order to help clarify the cause of a global crisis...and still be called "trustworthy" by the funding body.

The answer is...nowhere.

Strangely, Fauci, whose department is the very one that should be ringing the alarm bells in this situation, remained mum until information(about the hospitaliSed lab techs) surfaced...

THAT INFORMATION WOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE SAFETY LOGS AND WE'D HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT AT THE BEGINNING OF 2020 IF FAUCI'S DEPARTMENT FOLLOWED PROCEDURE.

Again, that is just for starters and the fact you glean over it is, yet again, amusing but predictable. 





Jun 07, 2021, 14:25

How is Fauci meant to force Communist China to release all of the information, if the WHO or anyone else cant? Have you seen this contract? It sounds iron cast. 


No one may ever know how Covid happened, because the CCP is unlikely to give all the information. And they cant be trusted anyway. 

Everyone wants an in-depth investigation - because China has produced SARS, MERS and COVID. 

If the US government (and Fauci) approved a budget for Coronavirus research, it does not instantly mean that it was a lab leak.
Also if it was a lab leak, it may have had nothing to do with the funding.
China also has money for scientific research. 

Speculation and evidence are entirely different things. Based on the data, most scientists believe it was natural. At the very least, they have not seen evidence to suggest otherwise. 

China would not want to infect themselves, so at best it was a lab leak. This still has to be proven. It is unlikely China will get much funding in the future though, as it is clear that with the CCP running things, they are not a trustworthy partner. 

What motive would Fauci have to not want an investigation into what happened. 
The US government has funded research in lots of countries, that does not mean all diseases are created in labs, and accidentally released into the public- or on purpose...




Jun 07, 2021, 15:01

Let the record show that the same brainwashed and gullible fools who think Trumpvirus is all Fauci's fault are the same half-wits who think Bozo did a good job in fighting the virus and the same morons who still don't believe in things like masks and vaccinations.

Jun 07, 2021, 15:48

Whoosh!!!

Jun 07, 2021, 16:00

I've made one clear point here. Nothing special whatsoever. so, lets see how pertinent your reply was...

"How is Fauci meant to force Communist China to release all of the information, if the WHO or anyone else cant? Have you seen this contract? It sounds iron cast. "No Viskop, I haven't seen the contract. I'm just going by what is standard without even compensating for the extra measures put in place when it comes to highly dangerous research. This doesn't only apply to funding in the scientific field but at large in business as well. 

Everyone wants an in-depth investigation - because China has produced SARS, MERS and COVID.This is not what Fauci used his platform for. He said there was little to no chance it came from a lab and big tech followed his lead by banning and de-platforming people for simply saying it may have come from a lab. Lets not pretend that this is what everyone wanted all along. Two months ago those that wanted the lab leak theory investigated were conspiracy theorists...as I pointed out to you about two months back when I gave you a summary of the reasons why the lab leak theory was not a conspiracy theory...and must be investigated. Remember?


Speculation and evidence are entirely different things. Based on the data, most scientists believe it was natural. At the very least, they have not seen evidence to suggest otherwise. Irrelevant nonsense.


If the US government (and Fauci) approved a budget for Coronavirus research, it does not instantly mean that it was a lab leak.
Also if it was a lab leak, it may have had nothing to do with the funding.
China also has money for scientific research. 
More irrelevant nonsense.


China would not want to infect themselves, so at best it was a lab leak. This still has to be proven. It is unlikely China will get much funding in the future though, as it is clear that with the CCP running things, they are not a trustworthy partner. This was clear before the 2020 Covid pandemic. Another Fauci failure.


What motive would Fauci have to not want an investigation into what happened. 
The US government has funded research in lots of countries, that does not mean all diseases are created in labs, and accidentally released into the public- or on purpose...
 Career-ending mistakes tend to be great motivators.

Jun 07, 2021, 16:29

And Rooi chimes in with some irrelevant nonsense of his own.

Not even worth a response.

Up your game dude.

Jun 15, 2021, 22:23

John Stewart video.

 
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