I don't think there was any poster who got more egg all over his stupid face than fArt in the lead up to the 2020 election after all his screaming about "4 more years" . . . only for Bozo to lose to the weakest candidate of all time and for fArt to disappear under a mountain of egg.
To see this same egg-faced fool shrieking "4 more years" again is just hilarious!
If Trump wins, Democracy in the US will end.
Trump tried to overthrow the lawful turn over of power with bogus election claims.
This next time he will be successful.
Then Don Jr will take over the family business (the US economy).
Nonsense!
Nonsense that he tried to overturn the last election, or that he will try it again?
And the House, the Senate, the Justice Department, the FBI, state courts and the media are going to allow that to happen?
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Just a bit of advice - the job approval rating is way down in the 36 to 41 range with most differnces being 15% . In other words Biden was a shit President and his performances in public is so bad that he is losing suipport by the day.
He ran on the basis that he would unite the US public after years it turned into hatred by the Democrats of any opposition to them. Biden did the exact opposite - he bcame a bigger symbol of division by calling all opponents to his disastrous regime "White Domestic Terrorists" and using the FBI - as proven by the FIS Court - to spy illegally on opponents. Aside from that he got the Justice Department to lay fake charges against opponents and that represented undermining of the US Constitution and also undermining of human rights in the USA.
The charges against Trump was all concocted by the WH legal team helped along by the Justice Department and in higher courts the rulings are going against the Biden attemtpted banana republic regime.
So tell us again - what law did Trump break for which he was found guilty in the New York case? Remember th ough hat payment of hush money is not a crime in the US A and their is nio law broken in that regard,
So tell us please what law Trump broke - so we can LOAO.
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Not a single losing candidate since 2000 - bar in 2008 to 2012 did nott ry th e same. Clintn definitely committed a crime after the 2016 - which made Trump's issue a real farce/
Shame same old story over and over.
A walking mummy in the WH at present who cannot work more than 6 hrs a day/ perhaps 4 days a week and is unable to climb the stairs of AF 1 so they use the flight crew stairs to load the "Old Fart".
What happened to all the "lock him up charges" that are reported to "LOCK up the Orange man" you yellow bellies?
You lefty lunies are now sinking in you own BS.
FOUR MORE YEARS coming with a proud american who loves his country in charge and making the country GREAT AGAIN.
Love it.
Cheers.
No egg Soweto Kid the "Dead voters" and double and triple counting of ballots for Biden deprived the true election result.
You know it but your TDS won't allow you to admit that President Trump actually won.
Go have another Juba with your neighbour.
@Mozart, elected leaders in other countries have been able to appoint themselves for life by stacking the various branches of government with loyalists (including the 4th estate - the media).
This has never happened before in the US - but that is because it is the first time that one of the two main parties realises it may become impossible for them to win a Democratic election.
People under the age of 50 are further left than ever before- especially in cities where most of the population is. A vote for under 50s in the UK and US would be about 65-70% left-wing - or centre that is just not going to vote for the politicians that are conservative.
Conservatism will always exist, but what that is will change.
The current conservative politicians from pre-2000 are not going to win elections.
They have just become bribed lobbyists masquerading as politicians.
A new breed of conservativism is needed. One that is low tax for everyone, not just the richest 10%- and dumping tax on everyone else.
The House- Probably will not have the power to stop Trump
The Senate - The one ring answers to Trump alone, it has no other master. Trump has already gotten rid of the better conservatives such as Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney, Cheney,
The Supreme Court - is already stacked with Trump Loyalists and religious whackjobs.
The Justice Department - Trump can appoint a loyalist - like he almost did before Jan 6th to replace the replacement of Barr
The FBI - a Trump lackey to do his bidding will be appointed.
State courts - This would be Trump's strongest challenge
The media are going to allow that to happen? - Trump has already said he will close down some media organisations like CNN and MSBNC
If Trump wins he is not going to have the sensible conservatives holding him back. This time it will be nutcases like Steve Michael Flynn, Steve Bannon, and Marjorie Taylor Green. The type of people who should not be anywhere near governing - regardless of what their ideology is.
And the House, the Senate, the Justice Department, the FBI, state courts and the media are going to allow that to happen?
Why even take the risk.
He could have the House, the Senate and favourable Supreme court on his side and if the courts are on his side it really doesn't matter what the Justice Department the FBI or the media want.
There is a genuine belief in Republican circles that the election was tampered with, if not stolen. Trump had every right to challenge results. What he never should have done was encourage protests. It was a legal/administrative question, not one that should have been influenced by protests. Legal procedures existed.
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You are still dreaming about younger people becomi.ng leftwing dummies like you nare. In the elections in th e EU countries and the case is in the USA at present according to opinion polls it is the younger people that turned against the establishment and the BS they face as a result of fake leftwing policies.
That is why the Stalinist indoctrination in the USA schools an colleges the Demcorats tried to enforce in State schools - have left the situation that the education stadards has dropped so badly as one Black pastor called so clearly "when they complete their shooling they cannot read". That is why the younger Blacks and Hispanis left the plantation mentality of the Democrats and despite their parents loyalty to the Democrats openly said they are going to vte for Trump.
So the younger generation now favor the Republcians Party, Theys ee themselves as hving no future and they misse the time when Trump was Pesident. Even at Colleges there is a rebellion against the socialist and communist teaching and the Hamas Riots are starting to be rejected and the riots at colleges funded by George Soros leads to further rejection of the far left establishment.
So the tide is turning against the Ultrs-Left and against the Democrats - as a Professor I know well told me tat all students are leftists - but by the time they are 30 years old th ey have learned that the things they were told at Unicersity is BS and just make them poorer when they start working.
So your belief as to ultra-left younger people is not what is happening in real life. When people start work and found they cannot afford even basic needs they quickly learn that in the real world the leftist BS hss no foundation. .
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Sorry - but their is no ru, ling the S uprfeme Court made that is not inits entirety based on the US Constitution. Th e BS you were told about Trump on the issue of January 6 also abckfired in Court since it was not absed on fact but propaganda..
The present situation is that in an opinion poll the majority of voters beleive that Biden is a bigger threat to Demcoacy than Trump is/ When Trump was President he was never guilty of acting uncosntitutionally - Biden broke all basic principles of the Constitution reg ularly and th e courts reaced on that basis ag ainst th e resent banana republic trend in the D emocratic Party is dangerous and unprecedented.
You have just described what is th e real situation is in the USA. The Justice Department aand FBI has abused the cosntitutional principles on a continuous basis and Biden wanted to pack the Supreme Court to implement exactly what you said could happen. So you re worried about what could happen - when it is already ahppening under the Democrats with a Zombie as President who does not kknow what is ahppening and allk things he has to sign is signed on instruction.
That is why a vast majority of the voters in opinion polls said Biden's maladninistration was rekjected by a large majority of people. Have a look at he following website:-
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/approval/
Open Approval to get the real feelings of the epeople at their Zombie President.
You can also look at Favourability findings as well as populartity of Biden . That is largely based on the conduct of the Demcoratic Party establishmet and Biden in particular, Will the FBI and CIA accept the election outcome or would they repeat what did in 2016 and start another HOAX - which could involve violence on their part.
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Which Republican circles was this... Sidney Powell, Michael Flym, Marjorie Taylor Green and Guiliani and Beeno1?
William Barr (DOJ) and the head of cyber security said the election was secure. Nothing that impacted the outcome of the election. These were appointees by Trump himself.
More than 40 judges dismissed cases as frivolous nonsense- even judges appointed by Trump.
Trump himself has encouraged his supporters to use mail-in ballots in the next election, and he himself voted by mail in the 2020 election.
There was no controversy in the outcome, other than the losing president challenging the results- even to this day.
It has totally undermined Democracy in America. It was the most unpresidential act in a Democratic society.
Worzel Gummidge could beat Biden, and Trump is a contender. Someone who should be in jail ages ago for trying to overturn the election
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S top beleiving the BS spreading by the media and the fact si the majoruiity of voters 62% in opinion polls in fact believed that there were voter fraud oin the 2020 election - but 18% of those voters was not convinced it was widespread enough to change the final outcome of the election.
There wer no 40 judges who ruled against the objection to the case - there were only 23 cases the Repblicans lodged objections to breaches of laws were broken by the Demcorats and of those 14 ruled that he States should apply their election laws - but the States concerned decided to ignore their own election laws and used the COVID pandemci as a reason for non-compliance - so they ignored the court rulings. So stop spreadig the BS on the issue.
Then the myth that voters younger than 50 votes for the Democrats and become brainless idiots like you believing in leftist policies are also not true. In recent opinion poles the Democrats ws horrified to find that in the opinion polls that the majority of voters between ages 18 and 35 voters in the age group 18 to 35 are going to vote for the Republicans. So your delusion that people vote for leftist BS is nt working out. What ws hrrying the Democrats is that the older Blacks and Hispanics stil vote for the Democrats - but their children are turning way from the idelogy of the older voters who still vote Democrat.- and the youner voters rebel a ainst the leftist BS.
Incidentally the recent EU elections showed the same in the EU election and that is what killed the ultra-leftists you supported. So all your BS is slowly trurning againt the opporession of people by the leftist polticians and bureaucrats. The initial results i France showed the same tendency and the voters are going in the send round to vote the RN into power. Even teh centrist voters are not going to vote for the leftists and especially not the Communist controlled alliance being the main opposition to the RN party of Le Penne. You obviously support Communist dictaotrships - so you are not even facing reality.
In the USA in opion polls 55% of the voters siad Biden is a reater threat to Democracy than Trump is. so all the scaremongering does noi work anymore. . ..
There is a genuine belief in Republican circles that the election was tampered with, if not stolen.
Regardless if the belief was genuine or not, there was simply no evidence to back up that belief.
The belief was based on lies, lies pushed by Trump and right wing media organisations who have spent years fear mongering about the left and pushing conspiracies.
I didn't believe anything would change, but some of the voting procedures, eg the absentee voting, have become controversial. There should be no controversy.
Again its right wing media pushing the narrative that voter fraud is a major issue when they have no evidence to back up that claim. Simply repeating a lie often enough doesn't make it the truth. Really its simply about voter suppression.
And I forgot to mention the military …..they swear an oath the United States which comes before their oath to the President.
I think your missing the point. Trump doesn't necessarily need them. I'm not saying Trump is going to order the US military to stage a coup or anything like that. But those institution's you view as a check on the power of the President are going to become under increasing strain and may gradually be eroded.
"But those institution's you view as a check on the power of the President are going to become under increasing strain and may gradually be eroded."
Why do you think so?...SCOTUS might be leaning conservative, but that doesn't mean they are pro Trump...they are still bound by the constitution...the House and Senate are very evenly balanced, there is no way any president will get away with a serious abuse of power.
SCOTUS might be leaning conservative
It's not just leaning, the conservatives have got a 2:1 bias in their favour.
As I said before, their should be no such thing a political appointed Supreme Court Judge, the process should be completely apolitical and their should be fixed term limits.
but that doesn't mean they are pro Trump
The ruling yesterday certainly favoured Trump.
the House and Senate are very evenly balanced,
If the Republicans where to win both even with small majorities we have already clearly seen how even moderate Republican's will back Trump to the hilt.
there is no way any president will get away with a serious abuse of power.
It's still mind boggling to me that Tump's political career wasn't finished after January 6th. The fact that he's faced no consequences for it and is free to run for the office of the Presidency is a damning indictment of both the American political and justice systems.
Oh stop bitching.
Nothing President Trump does meets your low standard of justice but you are very excited when he is found guilty by a Demorat selected jury with a bias Judge on a bogus charge instigated and supported by the Biden WH, the AG and fumbling and obstructive FBI.
Get a life you YB.
You yellow bellies are quick to complain when verdicts do not support your TDS medical issues irrespective of the corruption and bias in the legal circles headed by Demorat operatives with assistance from Biden WH staffers.
Wake up and get real.
FOUR MORE YEARS coming your way with the Orange Man.
SB
The Supreme Court is not leaning to the right is in fact BS . The decisions of the court is based on the US Constitutional principles and that makes the leftwing banana republic party and their supportive media very unhappy. The Court realize the danger of the unconstitutional practices of the present regime and it is not only the Supreme Court - but also the Federal Courts that is becoming criticical of the practices of th e Zombie President - the question remains who really is ruining the USA Biden as a front.
The House and Senate will not be balanced in future. The Demcorats are in deep shit and the House and Senate members will have to explain to the voters why they supported things like the open border policy and of the criminals ruling the roost in Cities govered by the Democrats.\- as well as the inflation driving ordinary people deeper into poverty.
The reasons why Republicans are supporting Trump is because they realize what the Zombie President is up to - or at least his unelected handlers and puppetmasters. The story of Janaury 6 has been exposed as propaganda BS used by the Democrats. You are advised to read the Houe report on the issue. Trump advised people at the meeting that he cannot stop people from going into Washington to protest against voter fraud, but he told them clearly not to break any law and listen to and follow the instructions of the Police - and wsnt on to tell them not to do what the Democrats did months before when they organized and funded rioters who went overboard and murdered 46 innocent people (incluive of 13 police oifficers), seriosuly wounding over a 1200 police officers by using guns and Molotov coacktails provided to the rioters on an organixzed basis and caused through looting and arson causing over $5 billion in damages in inner cities, He also days before the riots offered Nancy Pelosi National Guards troops to guard the Capitol and she refused the offer. All that is on record and ignored by the Demcorats and the media. Unlike Democratic Party organized and funded by the Demmocrats the protestors were unarmed and the so-called insurrection story is total BS concocted by the Democrats and the media.
There was never an attempted insurrection - but you obviously are free to believe the Guardian stories not based on any facts. A fter determined efforts to get details of the 5 policemen the Democrats were killed by the emdia the eforts of teh House was unsuccessful and when in evidence under oath could not provide any names.
You obviously should check the facts first and especially whether there are written proof of not supporting what you claimed happened. Incidentally the Supreme Court found that the arrest and charging process of people arrested on January 6 was unconstitutional. What irked them was the fact that the people were told they would stay in jail without bail until they plead guilty to the charges concoted by the Biden Justice Department. That aly actual evidence s nt provided to the court and the accused rights are destryyed.
By t way the so-called Pelosi Committeee destroyed thosuands of documents that proved they were talking shit at the hearings. TNhat is alos a crimin al offence since nobody can destoy document based on H ouse or senate proceedings. So try again and this time first read te House oficial report on what really happened on January 6.
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CM, you are wasting time and energy trying to reason with the TDS activists.
Not once have any of these Yellow Bellies ever suggested that some or all of the charges against President Trump are either rigged by the Demorat appointed Prosecuters, Judges, WH staffers, AG, FBI and jury members.
Plus when verdicts and/or appeals do not meet their aims it is called biased.
Why you may ask.
Simple TDS in all cases, an insane determination filled with corruption at all levels of justice to prevent President Trump from running in 2024 and exposing the corruption and criminal activity that has transpired during Bidens terms as VP and President.
But it is important to note that every "Appeal" launched by the Trump legal team against the biased court cases run by corrupt Judges, DA's the WH has been overruled or referred to a higher corrupt Demorat controlled appeals court.
Humping, pumping and corruption at all levels within the justice sector was started way back in Clintons presidence, really cemented during Obama's terms and now exposed during Bidens term as circus cheerleader.
FOUR MORE YEARS.
BTW, Trump is libertarian and not right-wing...he reduced more regulations than he made laws...reducing government interference in everyday life...but keep on spreading that narrative...more people are waking up to this BS fear mongering.
It’s naive to believe these cases weren’t decided with some political bias. Here’s the evidence:
Table 5: Judicial votes in 2020 presidential election cases, by judges’ perceived party affiliation
My position is when the election is close there will always be challenges in the courts. That’s a healthy thing because it settles the election for most people.
Trump may have been reaching, but it wasn’t undemocratic to challenge results in the courts. It was undemocratic to riot.
I guarantee you if Trump wins narrowly the Dems will resort to the same tactics this year. No different to the TMO checking a forward pass. In these big contests we have, perhaps sadly, moved beyond being a good sport.
Is it normal to still be saying the election was stolen - almost 4 years later?
This is the first US president that I have seen doing this. It is 3rd world stuff.
The Capitol riot was also third-world stuff- the result of Trump lying.
Trump knows he lost. He is a drifting conman, but he even does not buy into the story about Italian laser beams, aliens from the moon, Dominion etc, etc.
The sensible conservatives that worked in the government, were interviewed in the j6 riots committee and were on record saying that none of them believed the election was stolen. It was obvious to anyone that election was free from election fraud - other than Trump himself
Well it wasn’t obvious to 35% of Republican judges. There were all sorts of shady in that election.. but the biggest was leaving the Russian collusion hoax uncorrected which probably swayed enough votes to change the election.
Snarkhole, Killary is still saying Trump stole the election from her 8 years ago..and back in 2016 the after election riots went on much longer than J6 and the death toll was much higher...the hypocrisy of the left is astounding...
Well "Juba King from Soweto" they have recently discovered cases of Demorats election supervisors count votes more than once and in one case not counting thousands of votes cast.
Some Demorat election officials have been prosecuted while other cases are in process of being brought to trial.
Guess why??????????
Now if you add in the Dead votes plus the folks 115 years or older who voted and the scam postal votes perfected by the Demorats you will see a completly picture.
But NO with your TDS problem you are unable to understand or admit the truth.
Shame....get drunk or get HELP your choice.
There were all sorts of shady in that election.. but the biggest was leaving the Russian collusion hoax uncorrected which probably swayed enough votes to change the election
LOL, it was the Russian collusion hoax that cost Trump the election...yeah sure it was.
the hypocrisy of the left is astounding...
Almost as astounding as the rights ability to make bogus comparisons.
Data point 1.
‘ While Biden won the popular vote by 7 million votes, across Arizona, Georgia, and Wisconsin, the three states whose electoral votes contributed to Biden's win, Biden won by fewer than 45,000 votes’
Data point 2.
"So the election was won very narrowly in a few key states…."
A few key counties in a few key states...you don't need wide spread voter fraud to swing an election...45000 votes spread over a few counties over a few swing states isn't that difficult now, is it?
The current Justices on the Supreme Court are:
| John Roberts (Chief Justice) | September 29, 2005 | George W. Bush (R) | D.C. Circuit Judge |
| Clarence Thomas | October 23, 1991 | George H.W. Bush (R) | D.C. Circuit Judge |
| Samuel Alito | January 31, 2006 | George W. Bush (R) | Third Circuit Judge |
| Sonia Sotomayor | August 8, 2009 | Barack Obama (D) | Second Circuit Judge |
| Elena Kagan | August 7, 2010 | Barack Obama (D) | U.S. Solicitor General |
| Neil Gorsuch | April 10, 2017 | Donald Trump (R) | Tenth Circuit Judge |
| Brett Kavanaugh | October 6, 2018 | Donald Trump (R) | D.C. Circuit Judge |
| Amy Coney Barrett | October 27, 2020 | Donald Trump (R) | Seventh Circuit Judge |
| Ketanji Brown Jackson | June 30, 2022 | Joseph Biden (D) | D.C. Circuit Judge |
Let me help:
1) The state based US Constitution is widely respected. Instead of becoming more confrontational, people migrate to areas in Continent where they feel supported..
2) I don’t personally know incorrect Russian collusion was the swing factor…but I suspect it made quite a difference. Proven by the quote:
‘ Americans did feel slightly more positive about Trump after learning the findings of the 22-month investigation into Russian meddling in the election, the national opinion poll released on Tuesday showed.’
3) I never said it was the one point, but it was easily correctible by the media and they left the misconception hanging out there for their own dishonest reasons.
4) I guarantee you there was election fraud. There is always election fraud. Most of these cases were decided along legal/accounting lines…there was no way to go back to the basic process.
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Anger you are as convinced on the left as HasBeen is on the right…two sides of the same coin.
Have you ever watched Cracker? I thought you might enjoy this quote:
‘You are presumed innocent until you are proven Irish’
1) The state based US Constitution is widely respected. Instead of becoming more confrontational, people migrate to areas in Continent where they feel supported..
Secondly in my view if you feel you have to migrate to another part of the country you live in order to feel supported because staying would be too confrontational that's a damning indictment of that countries society.
2) I don’t personally know incorrect Russian collusion was the swing factor…but I suspect it made quite a difference. Proven by the quote:
‘ Americans did feel slightly more positive about Trump after learning the findings of the 22-month investigation into Russian meddling in the election, the national opinion poll released on Tuesday showed.’
Well you certainly come across as someone's who's convinced it was the decisive factor. There was numerous reason's why people voted for Biden or voted against Trump. How many lies did Trump tell during his term as President and during the 2020 campaign, like for example that Biden was going to do away with protections for people with pre-existing medical conditions, despite it being the exact opposite of Joe Biden's position being just one example. All those lies he told and Trump's fear mongering how much of that translated into votes for him?
And as I've brought up here several times on this forum (only to be greeted by the sound of crickets), the Muller report did find the Russian's where interfering in the election in Trump's favour, and while Trump wasn't found to have been personally involved, what does it say about Trump that he' was Vladimir Putin's preferred choice to be US President.
3) I never said it was the one point, but it was easily correctible by the media and they left the misconception hanging out there for their own dishonest reasons.
The media reported the finding of the Muller report accurately.
No evidence was found of a conspiracy between Trump and Russia.
Russia did interfere in the election in Trump's favour.
The Trump campaign knew of and expected to benefit from Russian interference.
Several people in the Trump campaign had troubling links to Russia.
The question of whether Trump obstructed the investigation was left opened.
4) I guarantee you there was election fraud. There is always election fraud. Most of these cases were decided along legal/accounting lines…there was no way to go back to the basic process.
Yes, there always is and always be election fraud in pretty much ever election in every country around the world. But that's not what I'm arguing an you know it. The question is, was it significant enough to affect the outcome of the election and in the case of 2020 US presidential election the answer is no absolutely not. The amount of election fraud in that election was miniscule to be completely insignificant. The 2020 election was free and fair.
Anger you are as convinced on the left as HasBeen is on the right…two sides of the same coin.
LOL. I better start posting a long thread anti-Republican and anti-Trump memes to educate the oaks so.
1) The migration is happening today and the Southern cities are booming….Dallas, Miami, Atlanta. The constitution of the United States launched the most successful country in the modern era. Rights are protected. Absolutely no reason to tamper with it.
2) and 3) Trump and Biden were favored for many reasons. But Trump’s persona was incorrectly shaped by the media as basically a traitor. I don’t know for sure that it changed the election, I have never seen a properly conducted study. But all my instincts are that it was enough to ensure a very narrow majority.
4) Again we don’t know the answer to the question. In this case my guess is it didn’t swing the election. But the early, absentee voting was just another opportunity to game the system. The Republicans had every right to challenge the result….they had no right to protest it.
As to you and HasBeen being joined at the hip, you the left and he the right hip, I rest my case. Nutters in chorus.
There is a genuine belief in Republican circles that the election was tampered with, if not stolen. Trump had every right to challenge results. What he never should have done was encourage protests. It was a legal/administrative question, not one that should have been influenced by protests. Legal procedures existed - opines the mozzietard
Of course the election was stolen and the evidence is overwhelming and has been outlined on this board.
Of course there should have been and were protests. informed people now know Trump never instigated anything. He spoke about peacefully protesting.
We now know Nazi Piglozi must be investigated and charged ffor her role in J6.
We now know the J6 Committee must be charged with Treason.
We also know a number of demonrats are soiling their depends and are terrified that Justice is coming their way.
All these things will be properly and fairly investigated and people will be going to jail.
Then the Globalist media will pretend to be shocked like they pretend regarding Joe's dementia. By the way Joe's dementia may be a way for Joe to avoid prosecution.
When will the drooling loons here learn!
1) The migration is happening today and the Southern cities are booming….Dallas, Miami, Atlanta.
I wasn't referring to migration for economic reasons.
The constitution of the United States launched the most successful country in the modern era. Rights are protected. Absolutely no reason to tamper with it.
In terms of wealth, military power and global influence, sure you can argue the US is the most successful in the modern era but that doesn't necessarily translate to the best standard of living or that the lives of the average citizen can't be improved.
Rights are protected, such as a women's right to chose?
And could the reason you wouldn't want to see an end to the electoral college is that you know it would make it harder for Republicans to win an election. Heaven forbid that an election ibedecided by the majority.
2) and 3) Trump and Biden were favored for many reasons.
Precisely.
But Trump’s persona was incorrectly shaped by the media as basically a traitor. I don’t know for sure that it changed the election, I have never seen a properly conducted study.
Well if such a study was done, could we add in a few extra questions. Like for example how many people less would vote Republican is they didn't believe in deep state conspiracy for example.
But all my instincts are that it was enough to ensure a very narrow majority.
Narrow majority. He won the popular vote by 7 million votes. No wonder you think the electoral college should remain.
4) Again we don’t know the answer to the question. In this case my guess is it didn’t swing the election. But the early, absentee voting was just another opportunity to game the system. The Republicans had every right to challenge the result….they had no right to protest it.
As to you and HasBeen being joined at the hip, you the left and he the right hip, I rest my case. Nutters in chorus.
So let me get this straight. Muller report finds no evidence that Trump personally colluded with Russian...and your in view that's Trump completely exonerated.
But when the Attorney General who Trump appointed found no evidence of election fraud. The head of Cyber Security found no evidence election fraud, the Director of National Intelligence found no evidence of voter fraud. Judges throw out 40 cases about election fraud, investigative journalists turn up no evidence of voter fraud, a Trump commissioned report showed no evidence of election fraud, election monitors found no evidence of election, state governors found no evidence of election fraud, yet somehow to you this is still an open question after 4 years!
And I'm the nutter?
You are the nutter, it would be more honest if you just embraced it. We can go on pinging each point, without achieving anything…but I’d like to clarify on Trump.
When Trump was supposedly colluding with Russia, Hillary was way ahead in the polls. His chance of election was minimal. So we are supposed to believe for a small chance of success he was willing to engage in a tactic that might not even have moved the needle at all….but at the same time take the risk of blowing up his whole life. Trump is many things, but he isn’t terminally stupid.
He was then investigated more intensively than any human being in the history of the world and they found nothing actionable. Best they could say was they couldn’t clear him of the charges….that in itself was contrary to legal ethics. Many cases are given as not guilty because they couldn’t be proven while there still is a measure of doubt.
The whole thing was a political witch hunt, which unfortunately fooled those who wanted to be fooled….yourself included.
That played a roll in the election, but some of the loss was self inflicted. If the Trump of the debate last week, showing a bit of restraint, had debated Biden in 2020, he likely would have won.
I’m not a Trump supporter, I favored Hailey or de Santis. But there is no doubt he was never given a fair shot as President.
"The question is, was it significant enough to affect the outcome of the election and in the case of 2020 US presidential election the answer is no absolutely not. The amount of election fraud in that election was miniscule to be completely insignificant. The 2020 election was free and fair."
Just because something can not be proven, does not mean it didn't happen...I'm also not arguing that it did, I'm just saying it's not at all that farfetched...their voting system is flawed...for no good reason...why?
You are the nutter.
Wow man you got me, brilliant rebuttal.
it would be more honest if you just embraced it.
I'm curious, where have I been posting conspiracies on this forum or actually even talking about what political polices I actually support. Where are my nutty posts?
When Trump was supposedly colluding with Russia, Hillary was way ahead in the polls. His chance of election was minimal. So we are supposed to believe for a small chance of success he was willing to engage in a tactic that might not even have moved the needle at all….but at the same time take the risk of blowing up his whole life. Trump is many things, but he isn’t terminally stupid.
Well given that Trump was perfectly content to lie about election fraud over and over in 2020 and beyond, and was found guilty of committing financial fraud to order to illegally influence the 2016 election, I don't think its a massive stretch to think that he might take any advantage offered to him. Trump is terminally ignorant but when it comes to legal matters, he's not stupid when it comes insulating himself from the legal consequences of his words and actions.
He was then investigated more intensively than any human being in the history of the world and they found nothing actionable.
Emm...he was found was found guilty in a criminal case of committing financial fraud to order to illegally influence the 2016 election.
Best they could say was they couldn’t clear him of the charges….that in itself was contrary to legal ethics
In response to Trump defenders claiming he was completely exonerated, which he wasn't when it came to the matter of obstruction.
Many cases are given as not guilty because they couldn’t be proven while there still is a measure of doubt.
Except reports are not legal cases. They don't give guilty or not guilty verdicts. The findings of reports are what leads to criminal cases.
The whole thing was a political witch hunt, which unfortunately fooled those who wanted to be fooled….yourself included.
Again to quote George Orwell's 1984 "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command".
Or Trump supporters in 2024 "Orange man bad!"
That played a roll in the election, but some of the loss was self inflicted. If the Trump of the debate last week, showing a bit of restraint, had debated Biden in 2020, he likely would have won.
But that's catch 22, a restrained Trump would have never developed the cult like following he now has and never riled up his supporters to come out in the numbers they did in 2020.
I’m not a Trump supporter, I favored Hailey or de Santis. But there is no doubt he was never given a fair shot as President.
Well you once where, though that appeared to change after January 6th. You defended Trump till the hilt up to that point but I think even you knew his actions on January 6th where beyond the pale and at that point you soured on him. But what I think really galls you is that you know deep down its confirmation that everything the other side said about Trump was true, but after advocating for him for so long your ego can't handle that so you have to hold on to this clutch that Trump was never given a fair shot and that unfair treatment pushed him over the edge. You need to delude yourself.
I am curious, assuming as it likely will on election day that it comes down to Biden Vs Trump, will you still vote for Trump or just not vote. If Biden was to stand aside would you ever consider voting Democrat?
Stav
Is it normal to still be saying the election was stolen - almost 4 years later?
This is the first US president that I have seen doing this. It is 3rd world stuff.
The Capitol riot was also third-world stuff- the result of Trump lying.
Trump knows he lost. He is a drifting conman, but he even does not buy into the story about Italian laser beams, aliens from the moon, Dominion etc, etc.
You have been indoctrinated badly by leftist nedia that you never bother to ch eck any lies they conme up with,
So lets do a bit of nanalysis for you - just for the record. In 2026 Clinton and the NDC 0 supported started th e lies about the Trump's collution with Putin and that he is subservient and a foreign agent of PUtin. T he result as the appointment of two special Councils to investigate the claims:-
* Mueller was appointed by the Under-Secretary of Justice to find proof of evidence o existence of such collussion so that they ccoulfd get rid of Trump as President. Mueller found no real evidnce of any cillusion - but came up with a story that somebody from Russia spent money on F aceBook rto syupport Tru,mp's presidency. Wh atn wsa laug ihable was th e amount spent on Facebook advert was $41 000. In the USA the money for political adverts run nto millions - so very few people even looked at th e advert. TNh e wjhole escapade cost t he US Government $40 million and in fact waqs fruitless expenditure.
* There were members of the House upset about the issue and they asked Mueller why he did not investigate where th e claims orginted from. Based on that Barr appointed Durham to inv estogate where the claims orginiated from. It turnd out that th e wh ole farce was based on lies conciocted by the Obama Administration and Clinton together with the DNC.. Durham spent another S40 million on hsi investifation. I was found that the F BI playmed a major role in leajkage of Info to th e emdia and the media tattacks took years
* Th e Inspector Gemeral of Justoce found that the FBI and Justice D epartment applied permission to spy on t he Trump election campaaign and got it from falsfiation of statements and usage of the Steel Dossier and flasiicatnion of a certificate that Page was a agent of theirs and frward the applicatio to the FIS Court for permission to spy n Trump and hsi campaign. When teh Inspector Geenral's report came out the end result was a serious rebuke of qwhat the F BI and Juistice D epartment concocted.
In the case of the 2016 there were complaints lodged by the two parties t the fF ederal E$lection Committee and in the -
* of Clinton she was found guilty of spending $6.9 milion of political doations on the Steele Dossier and she prsonally was finmed a $100 000 dollars;
* the evidence submitted to the Court in New York was submitted to the Committee and the Committee commited nothing in contravention of the F ederal E;ection act and no charges ofr fines followed that one.
T o this day Clinton did not admit sh e lost the 2016 election and th at is not 4 - but 8 years ago. However, there is one serious issue and that was th e illegal means to try and overtrn election based on lies had much more serious consequences than what happened in the protestors in Washington on January 6, The whole issue was based on lies and had far more serious implications than anythin that happened in 2016.
Now back to the January 6 incient. Trump at the meeting became awatr that a portion o he crowd. Towards the end of his recded sppech jhe stated that if people want to protest in Washington he cannot stop them from doing so. In his s[eech he said further that should they go - there is one thing they m ust adhere to and that was not to break any law and isntructions from the Pol;ice. and went on to the riots of the Democrats 5 months earlier in which 46 peopele were murdered - where over a thousand police officers were murdered or seriously injured by rioers using fire=arms and motov cocktails and arson and looting amounting to $6 billion took place.
So how rthe D emocerats are going to prove that Trump caused the riot aimed at an insurrection has as much chance of suviving like a snowball in hell. THE WHOLE SAGA WAS TURNED INTO A PROPAGANDA .BS AND ANYTIME YOU COME UP WITH REAL PROOF ON THAT STORY - I WILL PUBLICLY APOLOGIZED TO YOU.
Just anoth er bit of information you may find useful, In 2017 a proven submission was amde to the effect that there were 5,6 million dead or missing voters on te voting roll, The judge ruled that the California Government should clean out the voters rol. In Response Newsom - - Governor of Californaia signed a law that nobody's name could be removed from the voters roll without the written application from the voter concerned. so the voters rol was not cleaned out as ruled by the Judge. So the 5.8 million would by now would be much higher than was in 2017.
So general advice is that on the first Turesday in November every fiurth hyear people are advised tos tay awaty from cemetaries since they do nt know what th e corpses on the way to vote may do.
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Just because
Oh noes Draad, Plum's going be very upset you used those words.
Just because something can not be proven, does not mean it didn't happen
I prefer to live in a world where if you make a claim, you provide evidence to support it. You don't need evidence to support a negative.
their voting system is flawed...for no good reason...why?
How's it flawed?
Poor Mike your having a Biden moment.
"I prefer to live in a world where if you make a claim, you provide evidence to support it. You don't need evidence to support a negative."
Indeed, but you asserted:
"The amount of election fraud in that election was miniscule to be completely insignificant. The 2020 election was free and fair."
Just because the opposite wasn't proven doesn't mean it didn't happen...where is your proof it did not happen?...I never said it did, I said it might have...so I don't have to prove anything...you said it definitely did not happen, yet you did not submit ant proof...???
....and being able to vote without proper identification or regularly scrutinized voter rolls is even worse than 3rd world...calling voter ID requirement racist is just plain stupid...even us Saffas know better...when last did you vote without proper ID?
STAVASS is about as ignorant as they come. He obviously has not seen the mountains of evidence of voter fraud and rigging.
He thinks no signature verification, no ID and tens of millions of mail in ballets floating around all make for a secure elections.
Law were changed but not by state Legislatures. That is illegal.
The Dominium machines were easily hacks led by anybody and votes could and were flipped.
Then we had the Hunter Biden Laptop, the censorship of Conservative voices.
We had Ballot dumps nearly all for Biden in the early hours of the morning after election day.
We had Biden losing all the bell weather states bar 1. We had Biden winning less countries than Obummer. We had Biden campaigning from his basement getting 81 million votes.
Now I have not gone into details about ballot images not tallying with Ballots on hand and the numerous problems there were.
This wax the biggest election steal in American history.
Many articles and evidences are available. However sucker's still suckling on the teat of Globalist fake news will not have seen it. As we see repeatedly they are very ignorant and totally duped again and again. Bwahahahahaha. Absurd creatures.
California according to aq court ruling 5,8 million dead and missing still in the voters roll and the California Govertment to clean up the Voters role as a amtter o urgency. The respnse to that ruling was to pass a Law to the effect that nobody.s name may be reoved from the California voters roll without the voter applying in writing for teir name to be removed from the role.
This is found in all States Governed by the Demcorats.
Why do the Democrats refuse to take of dead people from the rols, A ll dead people would have voted for the Democatic Party trough harvesting,
Again in California in terms of State Law agents of parties involved van colleet votes from peiople on the roll who did no vute on eection day for 14 days after the election. ht sysem is wdely used for voting by the dead/ In 3 of the Federal House districts in San Diego he 3 members up for re-lction had 252 000 mre votes than their DP challenger when all available votes have been couted, In the two weeks available to them DP agents colleted 256 000 votes, Easy to do you find 200 000 votes came from dearly departed
Biden wanted the California Election Act applicable to be a Federak Govenrmeent fuctio. F or obvius reasons the Democrats effectively use a very simple ideology. All dead voters would vote for them and nobody else,.
Just because the opposite wasn't proven doesn't mean it didn't happen...where is your proof it did not happen?
I'm not the one making the claim the election was stolen, so its not up to me to prove it wasn't stolen.
...I never said it did, I said it might have...so I don't have to prove anything..
Oh come oh. Would you ever stop being so mealy mouthed.
you said it definitely did not happen, yet you did not submit ant proof...???
Jesus H Christ, Picard face palm x100. An election occurred, people voted, the votes where counted, and when those votes where counted the person that ended up the most electoral college votes was elected President. You know all the stuff that's suppose to happen in an election and all of its pretty much common knowledge. Are you suggesting any of this did not occur?
....and being able to vote without proper identification or regularly scrutinized voter rolls is even worse than 3rd world...calling voter ID requirement racist is just plain stupid.
When has lead to any significant voter fraud in American elections?.
...calling voter ID requirement racist is just plain stupid..
Its not called racist, its called voter suppression, because it throw up barriers to voting, typically to people from deprived backgrounds (who tend to be from minority groups) would wouldn't want to spend money on the required ID and typically those who are more inclined to vote Democrat.
But an easy compromise could be reached on this. If its a requirement to have ID, then the government should provide it for free. That way both sides can be happy.
..even us Saffas know better...when last did you vote without proper ID?
South African rates considerably worse for corruption and somewhat worse in freedom indexes than the US.
So I’m curious, Anger, who would you vote for…..the supposed scoundrel or the clearly incompetent octagenerian.
S tav
Trump was not c opnv icfted ofc anyth ing - since accorfding to law he is only conicted as sucx af trewr his appeals are nnot being sustainmed. Since the New York Judge is delaying sentencing to 10 July and now it is delayed to Sptember 2024.
Yopu ah ve been ask,ed 20 times abo/utr which Laws TRump broke in th e New York trrial - apaprfently the Judge himselfc does not know - since he tgold the Jury to deal with the issue no/t absed on any psefdfic laws - but to find Trump guilty based on the evidenc e provbided by the Prosecution and disregard the laws involved in terfms of whiuch he was accused of. A wird instruction by the Judge - sinmce iot si basically against normal judicial practise in the USA .
In anym event Trump had the right to appeal any sedntense the Judg e may come up with and until thosed apeasls ahve been dealt with he is not convicted of any crfime
You obviously as an extreme leftist you would vote for destruction of demcofrac y in the USA and at the sdame time wsorldwide. Amazing. .
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Okay just for the hell of it I'm going copy Mike's post and remove any spelling and grammar mistakes to see if it makes any more sense.
Trump was - since to law he is only as his appeals are being. Since the New York Judge is delaying sentencing to 10 July and now it is delayed to 2024.
been 20 times which Laws broke in New York the Judge does not know - since he the Jury to deal with the issue on any laws - but to find Trump guilty based on the by the Prosecution and disregard the laws involved ins of he was accused of. A instruction by the Judge - basically against normal judicial practise in the USA .
In event Trump had the right to appeal any the may come up with and until been dealt with he is not convicted of any
You obviously as an extreme leftist you would vote for destruction of in the USA and at the time Amazing.
Well said Mike, I think Americans are awakening to the disaster the Illegitimate Biden Regime has been.
With lawfare now failing this anti democratic scumbags what are they relying on. Well they reckon the can manufacture millions of ballots and certain demonrats are calling for the murder of trump and that Biden must simply jail him.
It actually looks like only assassination will stop Trump.
It actually looks like only assassination will stop Trump.
The funny thing is Biden could probably get away with assassinating Trump now, thanks to that batshit supreme court ruling.
Stav for FS get yourself in check or find an Irish site to post your TDS garbage.
"It actually looks like only assassination will stop Trump."
You mean post the same brainless garbage as yourself and join you in the far right circle jerk. No thanks.
tav
There is no BS rul;ing of the Supreme Court - the Supreme Court cn firmned tgfhe basic principles ofc the US Constitution as applied from Washington to Biden and made very clear that President made decisions in his official capacity that cannot be regarded as crimes a fter deaprture from office base on political issues.
The Suipreme Court went on to state that no President make only politcal decisions - but also person al dxecisions. The latter can result in criminology - but it means that any ex-President can be charged ifd he takes decisions that is pof a cxriminal nature. So the first thing that should be proved against Trump must first be investigated as to what decisions he gook of a perfsonal nature that could be regarded as criminal in nature. In other fake charges like the 2 in New York - where the court was never tgold and proved what laws or law Trump broken is unaccpetable. The Georgia case was so mucked up with corruption involving the DA that it will go nowhere.
The tfewo Smith cases has a problem as well. Smi.th basewd the charges on what transpired at the Pelosxi Committee heafrings and is in a jam that the Committee members have illeally destroyed thousands of documents after the "hearings". A fuirther sisue is that the House Committee held a whole range of hearings under oath and if their was criminality it was caused by the Biden Administration. That leaves Smioth in a mess as the Courts are likely to regardx the charges as BS - since the hearfings by he Pelosi Committee was a political sidedshow and the findings of the House Committee on the issue is valid. So the chareges of Smith would be virtually impossib le in any Court of Law.
As the issue of the documents taken by Trump is not illegal and he ahs the right in terms of law to declasify documents. The fact si there are some factors that is proiblematic for Smith to prove and that rfelates to what happened to the Mar-El-Lago raid on Trumps home. Their was clear evidence thatthe State Library inspected the documents taken and aksed that solme of hiose be returfn ed to them and that was done. The rest of the diocuments were in a secure room - since there was a double lock on the entrance to he room and on key was kept by the State Security Staff guareding the House and the other ekly waas held by Trump or his lawyer. So there are no chance of any document be made public without Security clearancxe.
The documents were kept in 32 closed boxes each with a list of documents and a list of declssified docments on top. In gther House invetigation on the issue i was found that an FBI photo leaked to the emdia was a fake and then the case started c ollapsing since the Judge ruled that the documents takena way by the FBI can be insopectged by the Legal Team rfepresening Trump in the case. So the FBI semt back -
* 21 boxes of the 32 documents taken fom the Mar-El-Lago home; and from those,
* there were docxuements missing.
That infurfiated tfhe Judge concerned and initially decided that the court heafring be postponed indefinitely until all the documents taken have been retgiuened to teh court foer inspection. The suspicicion si that the FBI ands Justice Department, as well as the WH was worried that the documents taken relartted to illegal con ducxt by B iden and unmcosmntiotitutional c onduct by the FBI. So that case will also be virtually impossible to prove anyway.
The other issue is the apopointment of Special Cpouncils by the Justice Department in at lesast the case ofc the appointment of Mueller by a relatively junior official in the Justice Dep[artment. Appointments of Sppecial Coiuncils werfe rare in the past - but in the l;at 8 yeafrs 4 Special Council appoitments were made/ Since Speciasl Councils cost millions at least some Judges beleive that Congressiona approval for appointment of Special Councils arfe essential. The fact is tghat Special Councils in the past appointments have been senior Government Legal Officials with experience in adminsitrative law - in the Smith case an appoinmtm,ent was amde of a lawyer that never served in Government - in oter words an appointment amde under questionable conditions.
So the only problem is to pove criminal offenses Trump is huilkty of and none ahs been poven trhus far. The reals itruation is that the DP and their supporting mewdia woiuld get rid of Trump as political "lawfare" - hence the media storm about the Supreme Court D ecision. In this regard the Court did not find Trump not guilty of any offense - what the Supreme Court ahd to eb decuided on is soimething that happened for the fdirst time ever in the USA and priovde guidelines as to how comstitutional rights of people against political abuse must be dealt with.
The Democrats wants to establish a Banana Republic wehere opponents to their regime can be sent to jail illegally and uncosntirtutionally. They are desperate to get rid of Trump as an opponent - the only way they can do that is laying fake charges against Trump and hope something will stick. So far nothing did. . -
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Since Biden is not the real President but the Democrat establishment is desperate to have a Zombie in ther WH, but he is metally a blank and does no look healhy at all.,
The question remains - who is unelected fasctually running and ruining the USA
So Anger, in Ireland you just go to the voting station..say I’m Sean Fahrty and cast your vote?
Anger?
Does this ring a bell:
In Ireland, voters receive a polling card in advance of any election or referendum. While it is not necessary to bring this along to vote, voters are required to bring identification with them in order to vote. Acceptable forms of identification include passports (including Irish passport cards), driving licences, workplace identity cards (with a photograph), student identity cards (with a photograph), travel documents (with a photograph), Public Services Cards or a bank or credit union account book with an address in the constituency. If the individual does not have one of these, they can also present a cheque book or card, a credit card or birth or marriage certificate together with proof of address in the constituency (e.g. a utility bill).[35]
I guess it’s an inconvenient question!
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Well what's NEXT on the Demorats AG's/Biden list of Trump political motivated charges.
Another political case bites the dust.
Best hurry folks time is running out..................
FOUR MORE YEARS.
Got to hand it to President Trump his legal team is way ahead of the Demorat AG and his so called legal squad also known as the henchmen.
Trust that when the dust settles that President Trump goes after the Demorats and Biden criminals for costs with all the "manufactured" criminal charges he has had to pay for.
Really going to have a 'Double shot" of JW tonight and celebrate true justic at last.
Cheers you Trump hates.