Ok Stav, we may as well start a new thread on this issue

I will reply back to some points that you made, but also add some more context to this discussion as well.

"You mentioned something was potentially about to come out in the US media about Joe Biden or the democrats a few weeks back"

I said it was possibly about Kamala or Melania, and both of them had suprising news stories coming out in the media about a week later .... which I then said that I did not really consider big news....go back and check

But even that, how the hell does that constitute "Always" .... man you like to exaggerate things.

"Yet absolutely no one is talking about banning the Christian Church or blocking Christians from entering the country for some reason. (no I'm not advocating for that before anyone says I am)"

Then start a thread, because I have already discussed this specific issues many times on this forum before, going head to head with Beeno on it,  saying the exact same thing that you are saying to me now.

"Perhaps I know whats going on my doorstep better than someone 12,000km away?"

You quite simply don't, so don't even try and pretend to.... because it is very much evidenced by your responses on here ......you are so ill informed it is crazy.... to be very honest, you should actually be embarrassed.

"You're in denial about who's pushing this agenda, although its not entirely the far right."

You are in denial about anything Muslim related because you don't want to be seen as being racist by identifying a certain group that is responsible for absolutely heinous crimes against young White girls.

"Now there has been genuine cases where the fear of being labelled a racist has enabled crimes. The Rochdalle grooming case case being an example of that.  There have been others as well, but again its been blown out of proportion by people with an agenda."

Rotherham, Telford and Rochdale are only a few places where this has occurred, with easily more than a dozen other places being identified already....but it has not been blown out of proportion at all..... the truth has just been revealed, that's all.

This article is available on the internet that is not behind a paywall, I suggest you read it, because it only came out two days ago.... you have no idea at all on what you are talking about, and this is very clear to me just from your comments on here.

Grooming Gangs

There has long been a reluctance by the police to investigate any crimes committed by the "Asian" community due to the sensitive and potentially racist implications it would bring to communities... or as has been discovered now...... it was "Politically Incorrect"....... which is a bullshit excuse.

The investigations were never carried out because there was a genuine concern that a race riot would develop, which I completely understand, but that doesn't mean you supress any complaints or investigations due to it being a sensitive issue.

What do you say about the former Rochdale MP Simon Danczuk confirming that Ex-Labour chairman Tony Loyd didn't want any abuse linked to the Muslim community because of the adverse electoral impact it would have.

What about in Rotherham, where a senior police officer told an upset father that the town would erupt in riots if the routine abuse of White children became public knowledge.

Rochdale police and social workers were both accused of failing to investigate "Asian" grooming gangs, because they did not want to be perceived as racist .... 9 men were eventually arrested, but by then, they had sexually assaulted and abused 50 young White girls...

Here is the report

Rochdale

Some people are reporting that up to 250 000 girls have been groomed, but nobody has yet confirmed this number.

Jordan Petersen has just come out and said that he knew very well about this issue 15 years ago, and that it was well known that the police were supressing any information about Pakastani men abusing young White girls.

How about another senior police official saying that the abuse by Asian men of young White children, has been going on for over 30 years, but that it needs to be kept quiet due to it being doing by "Asians"

How about another daming report from the West Midlands Police that stated that "Pakastani" men were grooming young white school girls with alcohol and drugs, and that the West Midlands Police have admitted that they supressed this report to avoid inflaming racial tension.

Here is the report

Asian Grooming

How about another report in 2019 from a detective that reported that "Asian" grooming gangs were left alone to roam the streets and target young White girls, because the police were told to target other ethnicities to investigate.... here is the report.

Other Ethnicities

What about the one time where the police even tipped off the abuser that the child had come in to make a case against him, so he sent her a message whilst she was still in the police station, saying I have your 11 year old sister with me, so you decide how this goes from here....

She dropped the case

Maybe you can explain why Qari Abdul Rauf is a convicted grooming gang leader, who was stripped of his British citizenship and ordered to be deported after being found guilty.... 9 years ago.

Why is this convicted sex offender still living in the same city as his victims, 9 years after being convicted and "deported"

Why is it that in England and Wales, 6785 incidents of sexual grooming were closed, yet 32% of those cases requested the suspect to not be identified.

How effective is your police force, when they arrest the fathers of the young children that they are trying to rescue from being held against their will from Pakastani men.... how pathetic is that...

Or, how pathetic is it that they are arresting 12 year old girls for being drunk in a house with 6 Pakastani men .... yet nothing at all happens to these men...

More police officers are coming forward with evidence saying that they were specifically told not to hassle or arrest Pakastani men due to the sensitive race relations in these towns, and to overlook grooming and sexual assault and abuse.

You know nothing Stav, evidenced by your ridiculous and naive respones to this issue.

How about waking up to the fact that from 1997 to 2016.... 1 in every 73 Muslim men was prosecuted in Rotherham for grooming young White girls.

Grooming Gangs Truth

Have you even read the 16 page sentencing remarks / outcome of his honor, Judge Peter Rook QC from the 27th June 2013, regarding the big trial of  these men ....Akhtar Dogar, Anjun Dogar, Kamar Jamil, Mohammed Karrar and Bassam Karrar..... I did, and I do this to actually learn about what has happend in the past and what is still currently happening to these young vulnerable White girls all over the UK.... unlike you..... 

Google it.

Here are some excerpts from Judge Peter Rook when sentencing.

"To enforce your demands, you told her that you’d come and burn her house down, and burn her little brother. She believed you and it was always in the back of her mind."

"Quite apart from using her for your own sexual self-gratification, you coerced her into providing sex to vast numbers of strangers. Up to four or five men would be invited to addresses so they could have sex with her. Men were brought from Bradford, Leeds, Slough and London. Sometimes the sex would be photographed no doubt to lure more customers. Men would say they had come a long way to see her. AB describes you and the men who would come as having a “pack mentality.” You were oblivious as to what was happening to her. She became emotionally and physically exhausted. Threats were made to kill her. Your only concerns were your own self-gratification and the satisfaction of your customers so you could achieve commercial gain from arranging for others to abuse her. If she resisted, she would be coerced. Customers would become angry. For instance if oral sex was required, her head would be pushed down, her hair pulled and she would be slapped. Strangers would burn her with cigarettes. A stranger almost throttled her. One deliberately scratched her vagina with his nails. One inserted a hairbrush into her vagina"

"One of the rapes of which you have all three been convicted relates to the terrifying ordeal to which you subjected AB at Shotover Woods [Count 10]. This episode provides a graphic example of how you would react if she failed to comply. AB pretended she had a period to avoid sex. You, Akhtar, reacted by putting your hand down her trousers so as to check whether this was true. You Akhtar, Anjum and Kamar Jamil then embarked upon a wicked plan to punish her for lying. At night you took her to a remote car park up a hill near Shotover Woods. It was pitch black. You ignored her pleading. You made her get down to her knees and forced her to give each of you oral sex. You subjected her to verbal abuse telling her that she knew what they do to pigs, and they were going to cut her throat if she did not comply.” It is a clear inference that you had invited others to join you. Another car arrived within 10 to 15 minutes. There were four men in that car. She was made to give oral sex to all four. She said they were all encouraging each other. You then abandoned her. Ironically, so pitiful was the state in which you left her, she had to contact you as she felt there was no one else she could turn to in the circumstances."

Then lastly and disgustingly

You, Mohammed Karrar, prepared her for gang anal rape by using a pump to expand her anal passage. You subjected her to a gang rape by five or six men (count 30). At one point she had four men inside her. A red ball was placed in her mouth to keep her quiet. Not only were you both involved in the commercial sexual exploitation of GH, you also used her for your own self-gratification. You both raped her when she was under 13. When she was very young, although it is not clear whether she was under 13, you both raped her at the same time (oral and vaginal/anal). It happened on more than one occasion"

"Mohammed Karrar, on one occasion when GH was 12, after raping her, she threatened you with your lock knife. Your reaction was to pick up a baseball bat with a silver metal handle, strike her on the head with it, and then insert the baseball bat inside her vagina. You treated her as if she was your commodity. You branded her (with your initial near her anal passage) using a hot hair pin. If GH did not comply with your wishes, if you were not with other people, you would lose your temper with her. As part of the grooming, you would provide her with crack cocaine and you injected GH with heroin on numerous occasions (Count 40)"

You pretend to know what is happening, but you have absolutely no idea at all Stav ....you seriously don't, and nothing you reply with will convince me that you do..... you are extremely ignorant to such a huge and sensitive issue.

Now call me a racist as much as you want to, I face reality, which you wouldn't see if it hit you straight between the eyes.

I have seen old and current information, evidence and testimony on this specific issue.... from citizens, senior police officers and government officials that clearly indicate to me that this has been covered up on a national scale, to prevent racial tensions or even race riots all over the UK, and if you want to keep denying that, go ahead, continue being ignorant, but at least research what has happened, and what is still happening on your very own doorstep, before professing that you do know, and accusing others of not knowing anything.....when very clearly you personally don't and never have known anything.

I would also strongly suggest you start taking a bit more interest and pride into what is actually happening on your own doorstep and stop labelling people racist or bigots for pointing these very serious issues out for you.

Great post DA.

StavASS is an empty headed weak loon. His lives in some sort of weird leftist bubble much like those other freaks we have here Blobbrain the bullshitter and the very Dense Denise the ultimate dork.

Elon Musk has been posting on this major issue, the biggest scandal in British history. One guy did a count and his posts already have been viewed by over 200 million people. The whole disgusting mess has exploded.

Elon posted an extract from the court papers and this is depravity the likes of which you have never seen before

He has accused Starmer of being complicit. Starmer was Crown prosecutor for 6  years knew about all this and did virtually nothing.

Musk has criticized the lawfare against Tommy Robison who has fought for years to bring this EVIL to the attention of the British People. I see many people at last realizing Muslims don't belong in the West with their defence of old men marrying children etc.

The left are of course the party of pedophiles and these are the people Bolbbrain and the very dense denise support. One can only conclude they support pedophiles.

Musk came out supporting Tommy Musk saying free Tommy Robinson. Farage stupidly tried to tell Musk that Tommy was jailed for disobeying court orders eg still showing his documentary. Musk blasted Farage saying he the r4ason Tommy was jailed but that the sentence was absurd. This was a civil conviction that ended with Tommy getting 18 months and being put in solitary confinement. The latter proving that this is all political.

Must went on to say Reform needs a new leader a Farage did not have what it takes.

On X various videos of Farage and his weak stance on Islam and immigration have been appearing and many people are incensed.

So how does this play out.  My guess is that Musk wont back down. I think Trump's calculus is that Musk is a lot more valuable to him than Farage and he will side with Musk and give Nigel the message. I think Farage and Tice and reform will be forced to mend matters with Tommy who today is a British folk hero.

Bye the way these muslim rape gangs were so depraved that Farage said don't read the court documents you wont sleep at night. I only read a few lines and almost puked. Yes mike the number of British girls raped by these muslim rape gangs is estimated at 250,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anybody objecting to this was silenced, cancelled. Katie Hopkins says this all presents an opportunity to know stand together against this horrific evil and speak out. The tide has turned

I see Globalist Trudeau may be resigning next week.  Lets hope so. He is another traitor deserving the death penalty

Why is President Musk sticking his nose into other people's business? Hasn't he got his own country to run now? Doesn't he have a lapdog to ruffle feathers on social media?

Why is President Musk sticking his nose into other people's business? Hasn't he got his own country to run now? Doesn't he have a lapdog to ruffle feathers on social media?

He's made Farage look like an absolute fool as Farage was only just singing his praises.

But what Musk doesn't understand is Farage is the Reform party. Getting rid of Farage would be like getting rid of Trump to the MAGA crowd.

But also just another example of Musk being an absolutely horrible person by supporting Tommy Robinson. Even Farage knows that Robinson is an absolutely toxic brand in the UK after the recent riots and Reform want nothing to do with Robinson or his followers.  

Well .... this response says so much more about you to me Stav.... than I actually ever imagined.

Bullshit is flowing  again.     83% of the population is White - while 17% are of other races - but it does not stick to facts since 75% is White and 25% from the cases re by 17% commits the other 25% of similar crimes,   That means the ratio are heavily found in the  non-white communities compred to the White Communities.

This type of percentage fiddling indicates that although it is more evident in that 17% o the Commuity and that in itself represents a major prblem.    I am sory but if you reduce BS from what is a major problem in the UK when  crime in he White Community is less prevaletn than it is in ther commuities,

It really is laughable becase it is using figures to try and hide the issue and statistically it is BS.                

Well .... this response says so much more about you to me Stav.... than I actually ever imagined.

I responded with a link to a video explaining how the UK government's own relatively recent report found that the majority of child sex abuse cases are found to be disproportional committed by white British.

Report can be found here.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/iicsa-report-of-the-independent-inquiry-into-child-sexual-abuse

Additional report can be found here.

https://www.csacentre.org.uk/app/uploads/2024/02/Trends-in-Offical-Data-2022-23-FINAL.pdf

What a truly utterly pathetic response to such a huge and horrific problem....

How is my response pathetic. Because you don't like it?

DA, shame on you .................. misrepresentation being the lesser offense.

I see our Pedo supporting pricks are dismayed at Musk calling this all out. What a nasty man Musk is. He Musk be Islamophobic, racist etc etc. 

STAVASS says these Muslims can take my daughter. One must be kind to these wonderful pedophiles. 

Stop interfering in British politics whines poor perverted Rooitwit dancing up and down in his very tight pink tights in rage. 

But didn't the UK  foreign minister call Trump terrible names. Didn't Labour send 100 operatives to campaign for Kamala in Pennsylvania. Bwahahahahahaha.

Wherever Migrants have invaded European countries crime rates have dramatically increased. 

You far left leftist loons can wail about how unfair it is to criticise Muslim Rape gangs but the European  are turning strongly against the invasion of their countries courtesy of the elite Globalists open borders policies. 

Leftist Globalist Starmer has sunk like a stone in the polls. 

Leftist Globalist Trudeau in Canada is about to get the boot.. 

National Rally in France is now the biggest party. 

The very young AFD is now the second biggest party in Germany plus Weidel is the most popular candidate for Chancellor. 

The cry to deport all the invaders just  keeps growing. Trump will begin his mass deportation on the 20th of January. This will encourage Europeans to demand the same happens in their country. 

Ireland of course needs to strip traitors like StavASS of citizenship and send him to Iran. Great to see the videos of Irish Patriots protesting while wee StavASS cowers in his basement. 

"Your dismissing it because you don't like it findings. If the report said what you wanted it too you be bringing it up as supporting evidence."

No.... I am dismissing it because it's all bullshit .... and I mean all of it

"DA, shame on you .................. misrepresentation being the lesser offense.

What the hell are you on about here......

Here is Samantha Taghoy

"Most child sex abuse in the UK is committed by white men… because it is a majority white nation.

Just 2.7% of the population is of Pakistani origin, but Pakistani-Muslim men are the perpetrators in nearly all child sexual exploitation gang cases"

Samantha Taghoy

Here is a father that tried to rescue his daughter and got arrested

Father

Here is Robbie Moore discussing this specific issue in parliament, just look at Keir's party representatives .... one person

Robbie Moore

Here is Jordan Peterson discussing the hidden truth behind these Pakastani grooming and rape gangs in the UK, and how long it has been very well known about.

"This is the worst scandal I’ve ever heard of on UK child abuse cover-up

They didn’t just ignore it, it’s worse than that, they ignored it and tortured the people who brought it to light." 

Jordan Peterson

Dionne Muller, ex police officer from Leicestershire on facts regarding Pakastani Muslim rape gangs and how police were tols to ignore it.

Dionne Muller

Camilla Tominey, they are not grooming gangs, they are child rape gangs

Well-known Islamic scholar with millions of followers, Zakir Naik, says Allah allows abuse of girls who do not follow Islamic dress code. This is Islam

Zakir Naik

Now I know Stav....

He will just try and attack the sources of these videos as Ultra right wing organisations or activists or whatever else.... but the fact of the matter is....is that this is what people are coming out and admitting now.... innocent victims or people who were either involved in some way, or knew something was happening but could not say anything for whatever reason....whether it be ex-policeman, past politicians, or victims.... etc etc

I don't care at all who hosts these videos or conducts the interviews, I am just glad that the truth is finally coming to the fore.

"But this is what the right wing media and DA whether he's aware or not do"

Nope, I just don't act like you and sweep any thing that might be concerning or illegal, under the carpet and pretend it isn't happening on my doorstep.

"Kier Starmer just today responding to criticism of him from the Tories and Musk over his record as DPP"

"So this government will get on with the job of protecting victims, including child sexual abuse, mandatory reporting, accelerating the processes"

Yesh, well unlike you I prefer to listen to the public that were and still are involved in cases like this and are speaking out.... as well as the victim's themselves.... and ex police personnel who are now admitting that information on Pakastani rape gangs was deliberately supressed

You carry on believing the politicians ....

Beeno's hero.

No.... I am dismissing it because it's all bullshit .... and I mean all of it

On what grounds do you call it bullshit. Was there a flaw in how the inquiry was carried out?

Nope, I just don't act like you and sweep any thing that might be concerning or illegal, under the carpet and pretend it isn't happening on my doorstep.

I'm not sweeping anything or the carpet. I'm not denying there hasn't been cases of child abuse involving Muslim grooming gangs in the UK, I'm just not over exaggerating their occurrences so I can denigrate an entire religion.

Yesh, well i prefer to listen the public that were and still are involved in cases like this and are speaking out.... as well as the victim's themselves.... and ex police personnel who are now admitting that information on Pakastani rape gangs was deliberately supressed

Yes absolutely there has been cases of Muslim grooming gangs abusing children in the UK and their have been failings by the police, in some cases a reluctance to investigate them as they didn't want to be seen as racist,  and there was also a failure by them to believe the victims possibly due to classism.

No one is is denying these things happened. The issue we have is both the right wing legacy media in the UK and right wing media online both in the UK and around the world focus and amplify these cases, while ignoring or not covering in as much detail cases involving white people abusing children which create the perception that Muslims are far more prone to this sort of thing than British/Western people.

You carry on believing the politicians ....

Lets see the stats in a year or two's time rather than taking a politician's word.

"On what grounds do you call it bullshit. Was there a flaw in how the inquiry was carried out?"

Because a comprehensive research project was done by people from multiple universities....and the Department of Childhood, Social Work and Social Care..... that left absoltely no doubt whatsoever, who the main perpetratorts were regarding GLCSE...... Group-Localised-Child-Sexual-Exploitation.

You are welcome to read the outcome, but in summary, of the 2 000 press reports between 1997 and 2017, 83% of the people in those cases had "recognisable" Muslim names.

It also stated that 1 in 2 200 Muslim men over the age of 16 in England and Wales have been prosecuted for a sexual offense.

Here is the very comprehensive report.

GLSCE Report

Now you might want to dispute this report, and that is fine, but my opinion on this whole issue is based off of witness testimony and evidence that has been previously provided, and also the ex police or social services individuals, as well as parents and victims that have previously and are now finding the bravery to come forward.... so you keep your opinion that it's all just racist rethoric...., and I'll keep mine, that this is factual.

Besides this very detailed report, I am also calling it bullshit because of the large amount of research that I have done on my own from multiple sources, and all of them are telling me the exact same thing.

"I'm not sweeping anything or the carpet. I'm not denying there hasn't been cases of child abuse involving Muslim grooming gangs in the UK, I'm just not over exaggerating their occurrences so I can denigrate an entire religion"

Stats don't lie... and I am not denigrating any religion, I am merely pointing out well researched stats and facts on sexual exploitation of young White girls in the UK.....it is not my fault that a certain religion has a huge disparity compared to others in this regard.

"Yes absolutely there has been cases of Muslim grooming gangs abusing children in the UK and their have been failings by the police, in some cases a reluctance to investigate them as they didn't want to be seen as racist,  and there was also a failure by them to believe the victims possibly due to classism"

You just keep minimising what happened to all these young White girls....you keep doing this continuously and very well I might add......so you keep downplaying what really happened.

Information and evidence, as well as testimonies from many many children, was hidden, suppressed, ignored.... thrown away and totally disregarded.....they were made to feel like nothing.....they were continuously threatend by Pakastani men and some even killed.

There were not just "some" cases that they were reluctant to investigate, there was an outright directive in some cases to never investigate a lot of these crimes....and also not to even report them......and in other instances, to literally leave them completely alone to roam the streets and target young White UK girls.....

"Now I'm not justifying her son's violent actions, but the fact that the motive for the violence was not reported wasn't unintentional. It was left out by people who want to give the impression that Muslims are just violent people by nature and who commit random acts of violence"

I'm not sure why you need to lie so much, but you seem to do this often

The motive for the violence from the Muslims's at the time was not known by anyone, hence why it was not reported

Stop lying to try and sensationalize a news story..... absolutely nobody reported about that close to when this incident happened, because at the time basically nobody knew what happened on the plane.... and I didn't see anything in the media until you just updated it here

You are being really childish and stupid here by playing this card that I didn't post anything at the time or go back and update an old post.... like most people here don't.......grow up and stop acting like a child.... I could do that with you and all your previous posts.

"Funnily enough DA never came back to give us an update on that incident. Doesn't fit with the two tier police system narrative does it"

Well clearly you decided to do a follow up on your own..... if you had asked, I would have obliged....but you just like to stoop too low because lying is disgraceful

I do not ignore facts - hat S tav ignore wwas what was ha ppening in  Sweden the crime country in Europe.   When the Socialist lost te eelction  last  year the new Pime Minister got the authority of the King to use the army to stop the raging battles between Migrant gangs fighting each other and the wider community. 

Those gangs basically were Muslims and the killing and  sabotage was so bad the  Swedish Police could not cope with it,    In Europe their were attacks on communities and terrorism in a string  coontries  and hudreds of people killed in France, the UK and Germany by Muslim fanataics and recently the French media were afraid that a civil war could erupt in Europe between Muslims and the Freench community,  

When I was in France  in 1972 I stayed in an Hotel near the Gare d' Nort which was an elite area for tourists.    When I was in Paris in 2000 I booked on the intenet accommodation in the hotel accomodation in St Denis and i took a taxi to the hotel.  The taxi said it was too dangerous  for him to enter the area and he dropped me off two street blocks from the hotel and explained to me how to get to the hotel and I walked the rest of the way.    So when I went to Paris  for the RWC in 2007 I booked accommodation in a h otel near the Gare d'Nort from where it is easy travelling to the Stade d' France.     Apparantly I was very lucky the hotel was about 200 meter from the station  and  there were heavy armed soldiers all over the show,   On my return to SA a French friend of mine said I should know that there are regular gun battles between the Police and the Muslim gangsters in the area,   The army was there to protect the tourist using the Gare d' Nort  to go to the rugby.    Since then there were at least three major majr terrorist attacks in France all inviolving Muslim gangs operating in Brussels and an attack in Brussels itelf,.

Sad to say  - but aside from alleged sexual abuse  there are also criminal gangs operating in the Mulim communiyies in Paris and in other Fench cities like Marseilles,    So i am not saying crime is confined to Muslims - all I am saying crime has grown substatially and migrant communties are the main perpetrators,      

DA

Stav is all for mass immigration because he lives on a mud island, likely far away from any area that has been overrun by foreigners that have basically taken over and turned it into something unrecognisable.

It's the type of person that will hail "diversity" as the saviour of everything human but won't actually be able to justify why it' s so amazing. 

I believe its called hook, line and sinker.

Because a comprehensive research project was done by people from multiple universities....and the Department of Childhood, Social Work and Social Care..... that left absoltely no doubt whatsoever, who the main perpetratorts were regarding GLCSE...... Group-Localised-Child-Sexual-Exploitation.

It was conducted by two universities and department of childhood, social work and social care was a department within one of those universities.

Absolutely no doubt? Did you actually read the report because in it they do acknowledge other researchers have made the point that the findings of the study could be skewed by the fact that the sample size is quite small and the fact that the research was reliant on media reports to find cases of GLCSE, thus if the media has a bias in reporting cases of Muslim grooming gangs over non Muslim gangs its going result a sampling error.

You are welcome to read the outcome, but in summary, of the 2 000 press reports between 1997 and 2017, 83% of the people in those cases had "recognisable" Muslim names.

It also stated that 1 in 2 200 Muslim men over the age of 16 in England and Wales have been prosecuted for a sexual offense.

Here is the very comprehensive report.

Coincidentally the percentage they arrive at of 83% is suspiciously similar to the 84% found in a report carried out bye Quillian who they reference in the paper, but that report was found to have used highly flawed methodology and wildly discredited.

Very comprehensive?. If you exclude the cover page and the reference pages, its a little over 17 pages long. Compare to that the reports I linked too.

Stats don't lie... and I am not denigrating any religion, I am merely pointing out well researched stats and facts on sexual exploitation of young White girls in the UK.....it is not my fault that a certain religion has a huge disparity compared to others in this regard.

I literally produced stats, but because you don't like them you just say there bullshit.

You just keep minimising what happened to all these young White girls....you keep doing this continuously and very well I might add......so you keep downplaying what really happened.

I'm not minimizing or downplaying anything . I'm just not fixated on these occurrences over and above occurrences of it when its done by white people, in attempt to push an agenda.

Information and evidence, as well as testimonies from many many children, was hidden, suppressed, ignored.... thrown away and totally disregarded.....they were made to feel like nothing.....they were continuously threatend by Pakastani men and some even killed.

There were not just "some" cases that they were reluctant to investigate, there was an outright directive in some cases to never investigate a lot of these crimes....and also not to even report them......and in other instances, to literally leave them completely alone to roam the streets and target young White UK girls.....

That's exactly what it was "some" cases that you are fixated on.

"Coincidentally the percentage they arrive at of 83% is suspiciously similar to the 84% found in a report carried out bye Quillian who they reference in the paper, but that report was found to have used highly flawed methodology and wildly discredited."

Much like the Steele dossier.

Care to comment?

I'm not sure why you need to lie so much, but you seem to do this often

The motive for the violence from the Muslims's at the time was not known by anyone, hence why it was not reported

Stop lying to try and sensationalize a news story..... absolutely nobody reported about that close to when this incident happened, because at the time basically nobody knew what happened on the plane....

The incident occurred on July 24th, the motive was known within less than 24 hours.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/manchester-airport-incident-live-video-33325112?ruid=1e78850f-5152-4c39-a6d7-41d2ae33a784

When you brought up the incident on this forum weeks had passed since the incident occurred yet you never mentioned the motive. I suspect you didn't know because where you get your news from either didn't report it or mentioned it briefly in passing and you didn't notice or didn't pick up on it enough to remember.

And aside from the point, if you didn't know what the motive was shouldn't you refrain from commenting on it, what about getting all the facts?.

and I didn't see anything in the media until you just updated it here

Odd that. You seem to get all the news that reflects badly on Muslims and pick up everything you perceive as two tier system favoring Muslims and post about it here, but miss the news when it contradicts that. Awfully coincidental.

You are being really childish and stupid here by playing this card that I didn't post anything at the time or go back and update an old post.... like most people here don't.......grow up and stop acting like a child.... I could do that with you and all your previous posts.

You didn't have to go back and update a post. I just find it odd that you keep bringing up stuff of your own free volition that makes Muslims look bad but never take the time to post any of the stuff that contradicts that.

Well clearly you decided to do a follow up on your own..... if you had asked, I would have obliged....but you just like to stoop too low because lying is disgraceful

Why do I need to ask. I mean you took an interest in talking about the incident in a certain way. You where quite annoyed that the Muslims who where involved hadn't been charged, implying that it was more evidence of a two tier legal system in the UK favoring Muslims. Just find it interesting that the traffic is all one way with you. Zero balance.

Stav is all for mass immigration because he lives on a mud island, likely far away from any area that has been overrun by foreigners that have basically taken over and turned it into something unrecognisable.

LOL...How many times you guys going try that Mud Island troll?

Can you guys not even properly troll?

OMG the Muslims are taking over Europe, with their less than 6% of the EU population (+Norway & Switzer land)...quick run for the hills.

It's the type of person that will hail "diversity" as the saviour of everything human but won't actually be able to justify why it's so amazing. 

I believe its called hook, line and sinker.

Well I think diversity is a good thing and makes things more interesting and less boring in general and that immigration brings economic benefits. Its not without issues but I do believe the benefits outweigh the negatives. But hailing diversity as a savior of everything human...em no...I don't actually spend all that much time thinking about it.

Much like the Steele dossier.

Care to comment?

HOLY THREAD DERAILMENT BATMAN!!!

Stav, you're making the mistake of assuming Dumbass is capable of changing his narrow and closed little mind or has an IQ greater than a pot plant.

Neither one is true.

"HOLY THREAD DERAILMENT BATMAN!!!"

Lol

Don't you mean...

HAULEY TRED DEROILMENT BA'MAN

Two Pot talking about potted plants….haha…a classic.

Hook, line and sinker…..but I think you might land Anger more easily on a Woolly Bugger.

I feel for Stavie

He's out here dying for the cause, alone.

The UK newspapers report the numbers differently, so it is hard to know the true stats.
Although it may be hard to get the correct stats. certainly, "if" a certain ethnic group is underreported.

If it is true that Muslims are under reported due to protecting multiculturalism, that is not in the public interest. Everyone should know what the available information is. The rights of the victim must take precedence.

When these occurrences of the police being unwilling to look into Muslim perpetrated child abuse cases, its not so much protecting multiculturalism as it is the desire not to be seen to be racist. There may also be concerns that investigations into Muslims child sex abuse cases would whip racial violence in the UK. Ironically its these sort of incidents that drive up suspicion of Muslims.

We have to be careful of our own biases. Muslims are not my favourite cup of tea, so I often assume the worst when they are involved in something bad.

This is something that needs to be gotten to be bottom of, as on one side it could mean blaming Muslims in general - regardless of what % are involved in this. On the other side, if they are in fact much worse than the national average - then why are more new imports allowed here?

Well the previous UK government commissioned a report which made 20 recommendations which it ignored. Its a more than a bit ironic that the Tories are now calling for another report.

But some people just are set in their ways.

Look at DA's first response to my post. I posted a link to a video that cited that report. And he started questioning my character and calling me pathetic. All I did was cite a source that was quoting what amounts to about as hard evidence as you can get on the issue. I mean I wasn't expecting him to respond positively but how else are you suppose to try to have a debate on the topic. Its clear that some people have already made reached their conclusions and won't even begin to consider other possibilities.

Stav has a weird logic - if Muslim criminals commit murder - like ISIS did - or if mslims mmarry child brides of as young as 9 ears old - people  must not discuss such issues because by doing or you criticise all Mslims in a region.   in other words you must keep quiet about atrocities and just ignore what happened,    

Look at DA's first response to my post. I posted a link to a video that cited that report. And he started questioning my character and calling me pathetic. All I did was cite a source that was quoting what amounts to about as hard evidence as you can get on the issue. I mean I wasn't expecting him to respond positively but how else are you suppose to try to have a debate on the topic. Its clear that some people have already made reached their conclusions and won't even begin to consider other possibilities.

No surprises, DA is being true to his tradition, firstly he won't debate sincerely, just like ButtPlug he's all about winning the 'debate' and to put you down in the process by insulting your character as they have in the above posts. Like Buttplug he is a child of Apartheid, when a muslim rapes a white girl it is 10 times worse than when a white man rapes a white girl, the comparison to Apartheid as an example is no different, when a black man raped a white girl it was 10 times worse than when a white man raped a black girl. I'm quoting South African magistrates.

Stav, once again I'll say to you, you're wasting your time debating the pair of prejudiced and racist would be's if they could be. 

Mike please for just one thread, or even for just one post, can you stop being the dumbest indoctrinated motherf**ker on the planet.

"Absolutely no doubt? Did you actually read the report because in it they do acknowledge other researchers have made the point that the findings of the study could be skewed by the fact that the sample size is quite small and the fact that the research was reliant on media reports to find cases of GLCSE, thus if the media has a bias in reporting cases of Muslim grooming gangs over non Muslim gangs its going result a sampling error."

Duh ....precisely why I trust the report.

They have openly admitted and discussed all possible negatives and potential positives which could affect the outcome and integrity of the report..... they have been very transparent on what criteria could have skewed the research and still posted their results after extrapolting certain information using the census and other information.... after doing everything they can to ensure the integrity of their research.

"I literally produced stats, but because you don't like them you just say there bullshit."

They are 100% bullshit....you need to read more into what your stats are, and how they were obtained.... I won't do it for you.

"I'm not minimizing or downplaying anything. I'm just not fixated on these occurrences over and above occurrences of it when its done by white people, in attempt to push an agenda"

You do and always have

"That's exactly what it was "some" cases that you are fixated on."

I hope they do another full investigation in this, because this is going to come back and absolutely burn you and totally embarrass you..... I have no doubt at all, and you can hold me to this for as long as I stay on this forum...... you have no idea what you are talking about...

"The incident occurred on July 24th, the motive was known within less than 24 hours"

"When you brought up the incident on this forum weeks had passed since the incident occurred yet you never mentioned the motive. I suspect you didn't know because where you get your news from either didn't report it or mentioned it briefly in passing and you didn't notice or didn't pick up on it enough to remember.

And aside from the point, if you didn't know what the motive was shouldn't you refrain from commenting on it, what about getting all the facts?."

"Odd that. You seem to get all the news that reflects badly on Muslims and pick up everything you perceive as two tier system favoring Muslims and post about it here, but miss the news when it contradicts that. Awfully coincidental."

Yeah, what is really odd to me is that you yourself never mentioned any of this information back then, within the 24 - 48 hours after the incident, to disprove anything that anybody was saying on here, including me..... which goes to show me that you also found this information out much later after it occurred.... so you are lying again.

"Why do I need to ask. I mean you took an interest in talking about the incident in a certain way. You where quite annoyed that the Muslims who where involved hadn't been charged, implying that it was more evidence of a two tier legal system in the UK favoring Muslims. Just find it interesting that the traffic is all one way with you. Zero balance"

Well, it seems to have been very important to you, and if it was, you would have provided the motive for what happened back then..... within this 24 - 48 hours after the incident and post was made...but much like me, you were clearly not aware of it back then, hence why you didn't post anything..... and you are only doing it now because you only recently became aware of it when you researched what happened to these Muslims and the cops after the fact.....

You are not a very truthful fellow Stav, it's very obvious how you operate.

"Look at DA's first response to my post. I posted a link to a video that cited that report. And he started questioning my character and calling me pathetic. All I did was cite a source that was quoting what amounts to about as hard evidence as you can get on the issue. I mean I wasn't expecting him to respond positively but how else are you suppose to try to have a debate on the topic. Its clear that some people have already made reached their conclusions and won't even begin to consider other possibilities."

Because you tend to undermine how serious certain issues are, like this, that can affect so many innocent people around the UK, and that you also have no idea at all about what is happening on your own doorstep, which is disgraceful in my eyes.

"No surprises, DA is being true to his tradition, firstly he won't debate sincerely, just like ButtPlug he's all about winning the 'debate' and to put you down in the process by insulting your character as they have in the above posts. Like Buttplug he is a child of Apartheid, when a muslim rapes a white girl it is 10 times worse than when a white man rapes a white girl, the comparison to Apartheid as an example is no different, when a black man raped a white girl it was 10 times worse than when a white man raped a black girl. I'm quoting South African magistrates.

Stav, once again I'll say to you, you're wasting your time debating the pair of prejudiced and racist would be's if they could be."

At least we don't want to kill a whole race of people.... based on the colour of their skin......over and over again ..... in the most horrific and disgusting ways....

"When these occurrences of the police being unwilling to look into Muslim perpetrated child abuse cases, its not so much protecting multiculturalism as it is the desire not to be seen to be racist. There may also be concerns that investigations into Muslims child sex abuse cases would whip racial violence in the UK. Ironically its these sort of incidents that drive up suspicion of Muslims"

Whether it could or would wip up racial violence is still no excuse at all to supress the conc erns and facts regarding what is happening, which you would support.

The media have refused to cover it, either by direct instructions from certain politicans, or from other individuals or organisations.... the same for the police, which is now becoming very apparent.

Have you ever heard of "Lexis"

Well here is a report from Matt Goodwin in the UK, regarding research on the media coverage of grooming gangs over the years in the UK....

Here it is below

Today, a number of prominent journalists criticised my suggestion that the UK media class has failed to sufficiently cover the rape gangs scandal, which will go down as one of the biggest scandals in our history

So, I decided to take a closer look at the data.

Trust me, you'll want to read until the end

First, the boring bit. How did I do it?

I used something called Lexis, a database researchers use to search content across UK newspapers

Every good researcher out there knows how to use it so they can duplicate my work and check

One of my critics today said my use of "grooming gangs" in my initial numbers was misleading because much of the coverage in UK newspapers uses "grooming gang" not "gangS".

OK then, let's use that

And let's just look at articles that are specifically about this scandal and don't just mention it in passing

What did I find?

Let's look at the years 2011-2025 because before that, even though the rape gangs scandal goes back decades, there was NOTHING in UK media.

Nothing.

They didn't touch it AT ALL --despite widespread rumours pushed by groups like the BNP and EDL

2011 is a crucial year because it's when renegade and HERO Andrew Norfolk, at The Times, started to write the first early pieces, despite abuse & harassment

First, let's look at ALL UK newspapers

In 2011-2025 there were 4,659 articles specifically focused on the "grooming gang" phenomenon

Wow

Sounds a lot right?

Remember the number.

"Grooming gang" = 4,659

But now let's compare that with how much coverage the media class gave to other scandals and terms

"white privilege" = 6,146

"anti-Muslim" = 17,152

"post office" and "horizon" =20,274

"extreme right" = 21,252

"Islamophobia" = 23,461

"Greta Thunberg" = 22,717

"expenses scandal" =25,585

"Stephen Lawrence" = 29,808

"anti-racism" = 34,484

"Windrush" = 35,515

"George Floyd" = 38,824

"Black Lives Matter" = 59,338

"Grenfell" = 71,422

"Britain" and "racism" = 75,693

"Net Zero" = 141,367

"far right" = 231,540

"racism" = 382,069

I could go on.

I think the numbers speak for themselves.

Relative to other scandals and amid a strong liberal bias in parts of the media class, the mass rape of young, working-class white girls & women just wasn't a priority

Yes, there were newspapers that broke the story and pushed it, like the Times in 2011

But even there, the 440 articles built around "grooming gang" between 2011-2025 is dwarfed by, say, the 2,868 on "Islamophobia", the 3,202 on Stephen Lawrence, the 2,603 on George Floyd, or the 5,524 on BLM

My point is not to bash individual newspapers but to say that relative to other race-related stories and debates, the rape gangs scandal --ARGUABLY THE BIGGEST SCANDAL IN OUR HISTORY-- has received very little coverage from the media class

I'd give you the numbers for liberal progressive papers like The Guardian/Observer but frankly they're absurd

Oh ok then

Between 2011 and 2025 the Guardian had 113 articles on the grooming gang phenomenon compared to 3,325 for "Islamophobia"

What about the BBC?

We can look at BBC News 24 and BBC Radio 4

There were 357 specific mentions of the "grooming gang" scandal in BBC News/Radio 4 transcripts

Meanwhile, there were 7,537 for "George Floyd", 3,219 for "Stephen Lawrence", 7,416 for "Black Lives Matter", and 2,259 for "Islamophobia"

You get the picture. I won't keep going

But what I will say is this.

These girls were never a priority in Media Land

Relative to other scandals they were at first ignored and then downplayed

Too many of the middle-class, Oxbridge-educated, socially liberal if not radically woke progressive elites who control the parameters of what they think is our national "debate" routinely steer clear of scandals and issues that violate tightly-controlled taboos around immigration, multiculturalism, "diversity" in all its forms, and which are backed up with alarmist narratives about the "far right" and "Islamophobia" to warn others off from asking difficult questions or challenging the elite consensus in Westminster and London

This HAS to change

As I wrote in my Substack this morning, @elonmusk has done Britain a favour by forcing us to reckon with a truly NATIONAL scandal that has for too long been ignored and pushed to the side by political, media, and cultural elites in wider society

This past week, we have been pushed into a new era in which millions of people up and down this country are either learning about the rape gangs crisis for the first time or hearing shocking new details they did not know before and can scarcely believe

And millions of people are now asking some enormous questions. How did our country let this happen to our children? Why was it overlooked? Why did so many people stay silent? Is it still happening today? What can we do to stop it? Who is pursuing the truth in media? Who is naming and shaming? And why does the UK media class fall over itself when a single American man dies in Minneapolis while seemingly not giving a shit about the thousands of CHILDREN who have been abused, raped and harassed here in Britain?

The people have tuned into this scandal, in other words. They have taken notice and they are watching. The only question now is whether the media class has bothered to notice and will actually get on top of this scandal and push it to front of the agenda or continue to ask ridiculous questions like it did for much of today, deflecting from its glaring failures to instead obsess about Elon Musk.

Find the truth and tell us the truth.

That's your job.

I really don't care what you believe, and I am not here to convince you of anything....but I do know that I myself have made an informed decision based on a lot of information, evidence and testimony that I have read, viewed, and listened to, from politicians, ex police members, victims themselves, including Muslim members of their community etc etc, so nothing will convince me that this has not been a massive and concerted suppression of sensitive and disturbing information, to protect a certain group of people, at the expense of young and innocent white girls across the UK.

"Well the previous UK government commissioned a report which made 20 recommendations which it ignored. Its a more than a bit ironic that the Tories are now calling for another report"

When you post something like this, that's when I know for sure that you are absolutely oblivious to what and how that report was conducted.....

There are very clear and explicit reasons why so many people are demanding another investigation into this issue..... and I can see that you clearly have no idea at all what you are talking about

Then you start realising that information is coming out now that this grooming and sexual assault of young Wihte girls has occurred in over 50 cities around the UK

Grooming Cities

Then you get Douglas Murray, who is spot on with this statement 

“If you are working class and white, and you don't like the mass rape of young girls, you're labeled a Na zi in this country.”

Douglas Murray

CPS under Keir Starmer would often not prosecute these Muslim child rapists, even when DNA was found on the child's underwear

Starmer Failure

Here I agree with Nigel Farage ...

Keir Starmer is sweeping the failures of the establishment under the carpet

Nothing less than a full national inquiry into the rape gangs will do

Nigel Farage

As much as I agree and disagree with Tommy Robinson, he was 200% spot on here ... back in 2011

Tommy Robinson

And let us not forget, what actually started this, back in 2011

The Times

And people still want to believe that everything was done properly, with integrity..... and that all of these investigations were all above board and that the resulting reports were accurate and nothing was redacted, ignored or taken out completely to prevent any unn ecessary disruptions to the social make up of the UK

Yeah, well if you still believe all that, especially after everything that is coming out now, nothing will ever convince you of anything different... ever. 

Duh ....precisely why I trust the report.

They have openly admitted and discussed all possible negatives and potential positives which could affect the outcome and integrity of the report..... they have been very transparent on what criteria could have skewed the research and still posted their results after extrapolting certain information using the census and other information....

So you trust a report because it has potential flaws?

Cut the crap, you trust the report because you want to believe its findings because they support your world view.

after doing everything they can to ensure the integrity of their research.

Nice little flourish you added at the end, something you have zero way of knowing. You're just tacking that on in end end to that report sound more convincing.

They are 100% bullshit....you need to read more into what your stats are, and how they were obtained.... I won't do it for you.

AKA The report is bullshit, but I won't tell you why its bullshit.

You do and always have

The problem is you're so far down the right wing rabbit hole in general you have no concept of being able to assess any topic subjectively and just lash out at all that don't agree with you. That's why back during the riots you where so fixated on a small amount of incidents involving Muslim criminality (usually lacking context), while there was literally hundreds if not thousands of incidents of criminality being carried out by the the mostly white British rioters.

I hope they do another full investigation in this, because this is going to come back and absolutely burn you and totally embarrass you..... I have no doubt at all, and you can hold me to this for as long as I stay on this forum...... you have no idea what you are talking about...

LOL yet another thing that's going come out...eventually...(sometime before the heat death of the universe hopefully). I won't hold my breath.

Yeah, what is really odd to me is that you yourself never mentioned any of this information back then, within the 24 - 48 hours after the incident, to disprove anything that anybody was saying on here, including me..... which goes to show me that you also found this information out much later after it occurred.... so you are lying again.

So you're not going admit you where wrong when you said absolutely nobody reported the motive close to the event. But nice deflection. I knew about the motive when I looked up the topic when you brought it up back at the time we had the back and forth about the riots. I had heard of the incident in passing before that but hadn't looked it up till that discussion. But aside from that point I wasn't the one who brought up the incident to portray Muslims in a negative light, if you're going do so then you might want to spend sometime getting all your facts straight first.

Well, it seems to have been very important to you, and if it was, you would have provided the motive for what happened back then..... within this 24 - 48 hours after the incident and post was made...but much like me, you were clearly not aware of it back then, hence why you didn't post anything..... and you are only doing it now because you only recently became aware of it when you researched what happened to these Muslims and the cops after the fact.....

I didn't bring up the incident or comment on it within 24-48, because I'm not obsessed with making threads on Muslims crimes. I don't make threads on the crimes of white people either.  As for the motive I knew from the time I looked it up from the that previous thread where it came up, I had only heard of the incident in passing up till that point. As for the update on what happened to the Muslims and cops involved, I've known that since early December when the news came out. I'm bringing it up now because its relevant to the discussion we are having.

You are not a very truthful fellow Stav, it's very obvious how you operate.

Hopefully one day you will figure out I'm probably one of the few people interacting with you on these topics that isn't lying too you, I'm not the one exploiting your prejudices.

Because you tend to undermine how serious certain issues are, like this, that can affect so many innocent people around the UK, and that you also have no idea at all about what is happening on your own doorstep, which is disgraceful in my eyes.

So posting a link to a video about a government report into the topic under discussion is undermining the issue? Absolutely child sex abuse and group child sex abuse incidents are very serious topics, they are literally among the worst and most vile crimes that exist, no one is saying otherwise. But its also very serious issue too hyper focus on the crimes of one minority group of people while not placing the same emphasis on the cases that are committed by non-minorities in order to create an atmosphere of general hostility towards the minority group.

Whether it could or would wip up racial violence is still no excuse at all to supress the concerns and facts regarding what is happening, which you would support.

I agree with that, its not excuse and suppression of concerns or facts actually has the opposite effect, it increases suspicion.

The media have refused to cover it, either by direct instructions from certain politicans, or from other individuals or organisations.... the same for the police, which is now becoming very apparent.

Occurrences of these things did happen but as I've said its being hyper fixated on the right wing media in the UK, such as the Daily Mail, The Telegraph, the Daily Express and GB News. They are creating a distorted impression of reality.

Have you ever heard of "Lexis"

No I never heard of Lexis. Just looked it up.

Well here is a report from Matt Goodwin in the UK, regarding research on the media coverage of grooming gangs over the years in the UK....

Matt Goodwin another right whinge bag with his own show on GB news. I recently came across a video he made on how to solve the issue of illegal migrants entering via small boats which was full of factual inaccuracies and misrepresentations.

But lets look at some of his points.

Let's look at the years 2011-2025 because before that, even though the rape gangs scandal goes back decades, there was NOTHING in UK media.

Meanwhile one second google search later.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-derbyshire-11799797

Well that's that point destroyed.

They didn't touch it AT ALL --despite widespread rumours pushed by groups like the BNP and EDL

Oh my, lets listen to rumors from two known fascists organizations of which the EDL has had over 60 of its members charge and convicted on charges relating to child sex abuse.

Remember the number.

"Grooming gang" = 4,659

But now let's compare that with how much coverage the media class gave to other scandals and terms

And you accuse me of being dishonest. As if Grooming gang is the only possible term a news organization could of used to cover the topic.

So for example here is a news article that would of been missed by his search

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089.amp

A more recent example.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn4xnv02nr0o

Another

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1558705/Woman-gang-raped-14-tells-horrifying-ordeal.html

Its a clever but disingenuous trick passed off as some sort of scientific research. And then comparing a search to something very specific like "net zero" a global topic which you literally have to actually say for people to understand what your talking about its just ridiculously dishonest.

I really don't care what you believe, and I am not here to convince you of anything....but I do know that I myself have made an informed decision based on a lot of information, evidence and testimony that I have read, viewed, and listened to, from politicians, ex police members, victims themselves, including Muslim members of their community etc etc, so nothing will convince me that this has not been a massive and concerted suppression of sensitive and disturbing information, to protect a certain group of people, at the expense of young and innocent white girls across the UK.

Well we can all believe what we want. Question is there enough evidence to back up those beliefs.

When you post something like this, that's when I know for sure that you are absolutely oblivious to what and how that report was conducted.....

There are very clear and explicit reasons why so many people are demanding another investigation into this issue..... and I can see that you clearly have no idea at all what you are talking about

Its very clear that some people will only accept a report if its findings are what it wants the findings to say.

Of the 4 links you posted only one of them is working for me. The one about Starmer failure.

Which doesn't prove what you think it proves. Nothing about the CPS not willing to prosecute Muslim simply because they are Muslim but a case in which the CPS did not believe the victim was credible enough for a successful prosecution, a class of classism.

As for Douglass Murray, another disingenuous argument. Of course we are against rape of working class girls and anyone else for that matter. The issue we have is the exploitation of these cases by bad faith actors to push an agenda.

As for Farage, come back to me when's not singing the praises of Andrew Tate a man facing charges of having sex with a minor and trafficking underage persons.

And you bring up Tommy Robinson, FFS the man who campaigned for justice for EDL member Richard Price a man who admitted to having child porn and the same Tommy Robinson who's antics outside a court nearly caused a grooming case trial to collapse and never once condemned a single one of the over 60 members of the EDL (the organization he created) who were found to have committed sexual abuses mostly against children. Its clear as daylight Robinson doesn't give a shit about child abuse committed by white men, only when its a Muslim.

The fact that you would link to anything that man would say and pass it off as credible and then you have the nerve to question my character.

And let us not forget, what actually started this, back in 2011

Lol you link to a tweet by Pier's Morgan and go on talk about integrity. Bit of a joke.

And people still want to believe that everything was done properly, with integrity..... and that all of these investigations were all above board and that the resulting reports were accurate and nothing was redacted, ignored or taken out completely to prevent any unnecessary disruptions to the social

You see this throwing as much mud on the wall and hoping something sticks. I've already said that there having been cases in which the UK police where reluctant to investigate Muslims suspects in child abuse cases in fear of being seen as racist. But that doesn't mean later inquires reports where not done correctly or lacked integrity and its not the fault of the present government that recommendations where not followed up on by the previous government.

Yeah, well if you still believe all that, especially after everything that is coming out now, nothing will ever convince you of anything different... ever.

I believe that the recommendations of the 2022 report should be implemented in full.

"So you trust a report because it has potential flaws?

Cut the crap, you trust the report because you want to believe its findings because they support your world view"

That would be correct, because it also ti es in with all the other information that I have received.

Unlike you, I can actually accept the flaws.... because they actually deliberately address these possible flaws mulitple times in their own report.... they have opened it up for scrutiny.

"Nice little flourish you added at the end, something you have zero way of knowing that. Your just tacking that on in end end to that report sound more convincing"

Says the guy who believes the other reports in circulation without questioning them at all.

"AKA The report is bullshit, but I won't tell you why its bullshit"

That's about it ...I told you already, do better, I am not doing it for you.

"The problem is you're so far down the right wing rabbit hole in general you have no concept of being able to assess any topic subjectively"

The irony

"LOL yet another thing that's going come out...eventually...(sometime before the heat death of the universe hopefully). I won't hold my breath"

You mean like your blatant lies that I "Always" do that..... you can't control your dishonesty dude, live with it.

"I knew about the motive when I looked up the topic when you brought it up back at the time we had the back and forth about the riots. I had heard of the incident in passing before that but hadn't looked it up till that discussion"

Another blatant lie.... because otherwise you would have set me and everyone else straight who went against your view or opinion back then in that post..... yet you did absolutely nothing at all...because you knew nothing at all back then...liar.

You are really stupid if you really want people on here to believe that you knew exactly what the truth was back then, but just decided to keep it to yourself, without taking the opportunity of correcting anybody.... what a blatant liar you are.

You only brought it up now because you only recently researched what happened to everyone involved well after that incident, just like me...so just stop lying man.

I didn't bring up the incident or comment on it within 24-48, because I'm not obsessed with making threads on Muslims crimes. I don't make threads on the crimes of white people either.  As for the motive I knew from the time I looked it up from the that previous thread where it came up, I had only heard of the incident in passing up till that point. As for the update on what happened to the Muslims and cops involved, I've known that since early December when the news came out. I'm bringing it up now because its relevant to the discussion we are having.

LMFAO .... "awfully coincidental" hey

"Hopefully one day you will figure out I'm probably one of the few people interacting with you on these topics that isn't lying too you, I'm not the one exploiting your prejudices"

Mmmmm... just LOTS of coincidences 

"But its also very serious issue too hyper focus on the crimes of one minority group of people while not placing the same emphasis on the cases that are committed by non-minorities in order to create an atmosphere of general hostility towards the minority group"

Yeah, well, if there was an issue with the under reporting of White or other race or ethnic based crimes in the UK, I would gladly bring it up and discuss it, but there doesn't seem to be a national and historical issue with that... simple

"Occurrences of these things did happen but as I've said its being hyper fixated on the right wing media in the UK, such as the Daily Mail, The Telegraph, the Daily Express and GB News. They are creating a distorted impression of reality"

You sound like Starmer now

"Its a clever but disingenuous trick passed off as some sort of scientific research. And then comparing a search to something very specific like "net zero" a global topic which you literally have to actually say for people to understand what your talking about its just ridiculously dishonest"

Not at all, unless someone else can dispute this information, using the same technology that he did, I will accept his information 

He challenged all other journalists in that post to dispute or double check all of his information that he provided, and he posted it publicly knowing that he was opening himself up to being corrected and criticised by his peers...... and if you thoroughly investigate how Lexis works, it is a very comprehensive and respected process / program, so a few Google searches by you won't change anything in that regard...

"Well we can all believe what we want. Question is there enough evidence to back up those beliefs"

If there is a new full, comprehensive and transparent investigation..... you would be thoroughly embarrassed.... mark my words, and as I have said, you can hold me to this statement.... I only hope that all the public pressure makes another proper investigation possible with the correct people involved. 

"Which doesn't prove what you think it proves"

I am not here to prove anything to anyone, and never have been...

I state my opinion and then post information on why I believe that information and why I made the decision to believe what I have, and if you don't want to accept that information, I really don't care at all.... just stating my opinion.

"Nothing about the CPS not willing to prosecute Muslim simply because they are Muslim but a case in which the CPS did not believe the victim was credible enough for a successful prosecution, a class of classism"

If it was just one case I would agree with you..... but it's not.... by far.

"As for Douglass Murray, another disingenuous argument. Of course we are against rape of working class girls and anyone else for that matter. The issue we have is the exploitation of these cases by bad faith actors to push an agenda"

Of course it is, because according to you and Starmer, anyone who wants to bring this up and actually get a proper investigation underway into why it happened and who was involved and responsible, is just a right wing activist... because under no circumstances whatsoever can we upset the Pakastani people.

"As for Farage, come back to me when's not singing the praises of Andrew Tate a man facing charges of having sex with a minor and trafficking underage persons"

I see, so according to you, Farage is wrong for saying and demanding this .... 

You see, I really don't care who he sings the praises for....in fact it's a very immature response from you...and I might not agree with a lot of what Farrage does or says, but with this statement of his, I do..... clearly you don't....and I dispise Andrew Tate as I have said many times on here before.

At least we don't want to kill a whole race of people.... based on the colour of their skin......over and over again ..... in the most horrific and disgusting ways....

You don't want to kill a race of people based on the colour of their skin?

Really?

But your lot did, not only that you demonized the oppressed for 46 long years. You denied them their humanity, crushed their spirit, stripped them of the right to vote, like pigs at a trough you grabbed the best of what there was for yourselves and wrote it into law(Immorality Act, Group Areas Act, Job Reservation)

Detention without trial, deaths in detention, the Sharpeville riots where kids who were running away were shot in the back. The Hector Peterson memorial is right on your doorstep in Soweto, bet you've never been to Soweto neither do you have any interest in going there huh? Activists were drugged, their bodies were loaded onto a plane then tossed into the Atlantic Ocean. 

 Did you say you didn't kill any racial group ? You fuckin destroyed them! 

For 46 long years!

"And you bring up Tommy Robinson, FFS the man who campaigned for justice for EDL member Richard Price a man who admitted to having child porn and the same Tommy Robinson who's antics outside a court nearly caused a grooming case trial to collapse and never once condemned a single one of the over 60 members of the EDL (the organization he created) who were found to have committed sexual abuses mostly against children. Its clear as daylight Robinson doesn't giv e a shit about child abuse committed by white men, only when its a Muslim.

The fact that you would link to anything that man would say and pass it off as credible and then you have the nerve to question my character."

This is what you always seem to get so wrong......very ...very often

Take the blinkers off just for a second.....you are so hyper focused on the ugly or bad things that people do... and because of that, you can just never ever see the good.... it actually completely blinds your moral judgement in so many of your posts....

Was Tommy Robinson wrong regarding his reporting of the sexual assault of young White english girls back in 2011 by Pakastani groups of men, which is what that link refers to...... yes or no?

"Lol you link to a tweet by Pier's Morgan and go on talk about integrity. Bit of a joke."

I actually linked to the news article from "The Times", that Piers posted, hence why I specifically called the link heading "The Times" and not Piers Morgan....stop being stupid and obtuse.

Why.... was the Times article that I referenced not true.... yes or no?

Just like I mentioned in another post, that I don't like Andrew Tate at all, in fact I dispise him, but I actually enjoyed some of the policies that he would want to implement if he were PM.

Thats the difference between you and me, I can separate that kind of reasoning and logic.... you can't, you are too emotional and never rational.... you just see the names Farage, Piers Morgan, Tommy Robinson and Andrew Tate and think, hell no.... there is absolutely nothing good at all that they could say.....when in fact, they can and often do.....but you just cannot see past their faults, whilst I can... so maybe .... just maybe you should actually go and read up on what Andrew Tate said are the policies he would implement if he were PM, and tell me he does not have some excellent points.

You are so bloody one minded.... you never ever seem to take the blinkers off and look at the bigger picture..... sheesh man.....grow up a bit.

"Really?

But your lot did, not only that you demonized the oppressed for 46 long years. You denied them their humanity, crushed their spirit, stripped them of the right to vote, like pigs at a trough you grabbed the best of what there was for yourselves and wrote it into law(Immorality Act, Group Areas Act, Job Reservation)

Detention without trial, deaths in detention, the Sharpeville riots where kids who were running away were shot in the back. The Hector Peterson memorial is right on your doorstep in Soweto, bet you've never been to Soweto neither do you have any interest in going there huh? Activists were drugged, their bodies were loaded onto a plane then tossed into the Atlantic Ocean. 

 Did you say you didn't kill any racial group ? You fuckin destroyed them! 

For 46 long years!"

I see where you are going with this.....

Maybe I should just blame you for everything the Zulu's and Xhosa's ever did in our hi story...

Does that also work for you?

"But your lot did, not only that you demonized the oppressed for 46 long years. You denied them their humanity, crushed their spirit, stripped them of the right to vote, like pigs at a trough you grabbed the best of what there was for yourselves and wrote it into law(Immorality Act, Group Areas Act, Job Reservation)

Detention without trial, deaths in detention, the Sharpeville riots where kids who were running away were shot in the back. The Hector Peterson memorial is right on your doorstep in Soweto, bet you've never been to Soweto neither do you have any interest in going there huh? Activists were drugged, their bodies were loaded onto a plane then tossed into the Atlantic Ocean. 

 Did you say you didn't kill any racial group ? You fuckin destroyed them! 

For 46 long years!"

Denise, you forgot to finish with BLM and a picture of a black fist.

Also, you're a rapist, murder, thief. You've been one for 350 years.

Cry a little for us...or are you already?

"

"I've already said that there having been cases in which the UK police where reluctant to investig ate Muslims suspects in child abuse cases in fear of being seen as racist"

Reluctant........ bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Sugar coat it as much as you want to dude....

"I believe that the recommendations of the 2022 report should be implemented in full"

I would take the recommendations of any new full and completely comprehensive report about what happend, who all was involved, what was investigated, what wasn't investigated.....what was redacted or left out of all these reports.... what was amended, and what testimony was literally edited to sound better and far less serious ..that resulted in so many victims not signing off their affidavits.

Problem is, I personally believe it would create such a huge issue for the British government that they probably would not really know what information to release, because of the extremlely volatile reactions from the British public.... but it needs to be done.

I see where you are going with this.....

You do...really?

Good for you, it's taken a while, I wonder why, actually if you weren't the racist scum that you are then there was no need to tell you. I mean at one point in your privilege life you must have wondered how it all came about. I mean you do live in South Africa don't you? You must have wondered why white people had all the privileges and that the oppressed didn't.  

Gosh that's wishful thinking on m y behalf, racist scum don't actually think that way do they? Course not, they didn't think that way for 46 years.

"You do...really?

Good for you, it's taken a while, I wonder why, actually if you weren't the racist scum that you are then there was no need to tell you. I mean at one point in your privilege life you must have wondered how it all came about. I mean you do live in South Africa don't you? You must have wondered why white people had all the privileges and that the oppressed didn't.  

Gosh that's wishful thinking on my behalf, racist scum don't actually think that way do they? Course not, they didn't think that way for 46 years."

I'm really pushing it here.... but I guess you missed the sarcasm....lol

Denise has been embarrassed so much on this board lately that she's now hiding in the last refuge that she has.

And you know that she soaks up everything CNN and MSNBC have to offer so she believes that as soon as she complains about racism everybody should be quiet and listen.

Denise, nobody gives a shit.

All those nights you cried yourself to sleep because "Whitey so mean and Whitey so cruel"...

We don't care.

Now, go and cry yourself to sleep some more. It's obviously doing wonders for your personality.

I'm really pushing it here.... but I guess you missed the sarcasm....lol

And that's all you've got, perhaps the only foil for the shame your misery caused to millions of innocent people.

You truly are a disgusting person.

Denise, nobody gives a shit.

What's new, you didn't give a shit for 46 long years, why would you, now.

"Denise, nobody gives a shit.

What's new, you didn't give a shit for 46 long years, why would you, now."

That's right Denise, nobody gives a steam y pile about your opinion.

That's right Denise, nobody gives a steamy pile about your opinion.

Let me translate that.......I'm racist scum and I don't care that I am.

Taken your meds yet?

This is what you always seem to get so wrong......very ...very often

Take the blinkers off just for a second.....you are so hyper focused on the ugly or bad things that people do... and because of that, you can just never ever see the good.... it actually completely blinds your moral judgement in so many of your posts....

Was Tommy Robinson wrong regarding his reporting of the sexual assault of young White english girls back in 2011 by Pakastani groups of men, which is what that link refers to...... yes or no?

I'm blinkered and hyper focused?. Tommy Robinson's rap sheet is insane. He started off as a football hooligan, formed a fascist organization, has assaulted women, stalked women, he's been convicted on multiple accounts of libel, multiple accounts of contempt of court, entering a country illegal, multiple counts of fraud. Its clear as day to anyone who isn't completely and hopelessly biased that the man's an absolute fraud and grifter who takes in hundreds of thousands of pounds pushing the most appalling racist and hypocritical stuff to fund lavish 10 month holidays and fund his coke habit.

But you never stop and think, hang on these guys are taking me for an absolute mug, maybe I should question the motives of the agenda these types of people are pushing.

Was Tommy Robinson wrong regarding his reporting of the sexual assault of young White english girls back in 2011 by Pakastani groups of men, which is what that link refers to...... yes or no?

Which report. I have no doubt he was shouting about the case from the rooftops in an attempt at  exploiting the situation for personal gain.

People can of course bring up that case and ask perfectly legitimate questions without being Islamophobic or racist, but its utterly clear he's would of done it purely to push an agenda

Is Robinson not a hypocrite for not calling out the rampant child abuse among EDL members? The truth is Robinson does not give a shit about abused children, he only cares about how he can exploit the situation.

I actually linked to the news article from "The Times", that Piers posted, hence why I specifically called the link heading "The Times" and not Piers Morgan....stop being stupid and obtuse.

Why.... was the Times article that I referenced not true.... yes or no?

A link to a news article from the times tweeted by Morgan, a man who's mired deep in the culture wars and pushes the same right wing agenda as the likes of the Daily Mail, Telegraph, GB News and the Express. Now he's no where near as bad as the likes or Robinson and he does do some good journalism at times, because unlike most right wing pundits in the UK he does ask tough questions to right wing politicians but after the phone hacking scandal everyone knows what he is, a liar with no integrity.

Again that 2011 times article may have been accurate, but the reason Morgan is tweeting it is he's wants to keep the focus on these cases to distorts public perception of this happening constantly, and create a fear and suspicion of Muslims.

Just like I mentioned in another post, that I don't like Andrew Tate at all, in fact I dispise him, but I actually enjoyed some of the policies that he would want to implement if he were PM.

Thats the difference between you and me, I can separate that kind of reasoning and logic.... you can't, you are too emotional and never rational.... you just see the names Farage, Piers Morgan, Tommy Robinson and Andrew Tate and think, hell no.... there is absolutely nothing good at all that they could say.....when in fact, they can and often do.....but you just cannot see past their faults, whilst I can... so maybe .... just maybe you should actually go and read up on what Andrew Tate said are the policies he would implement if he were PM, and tell me he does not have some excellent points.

Think about the insanity of your position, you harp on about muslim child sex abuses but you think a muslim man facing charges of child sex abuse charges has some good political positions.

Yeah Hitler made some good roads and banned fox hunting, I think I'll overlook his other political positions and support him.

You have been taking in by these bad faith actors. Completely blind to what they are.

You are so bloody one minded.... you never ever seem to take the blinkers off and look at the bigger picture..... sheesh man.....grow up a bit.

I'm bloody one minded?. I'm not the one shouting MUSLIM GROOMING GANGS EVERYWHERE!!! ITS A COVER UP!!!...THE TRUTH IS ABOUT TO BE REVEALED!!!.

"And that's all you've got"

It's all I am willing to give you .... lol

It's all I am willing to give you .... lol

I'm not surprised, why would I be when it's what I expect from someone who has nothing to give.

We knew it was only a matter of time before Denise pulled the race card, again.

We still don't care about your opinion, Denise. And it's got nothing to do with your race.

"Boo whitey don't want to listen to me...weeeee whitey must be racist."

Bwhahahahahahaha

The creepy cringe is never ending!

"Which report. I have no doubt he was shouting about the case from the rooftops in an attempt at  exploiting the situation for personal gain."

His Report - Statement - Interview - Speech that I referenced above .... ok....so I take that as yes, he was correct.

"A link to a news article from the times tweeted by Morgan, a man who's mired deep in the culture wars and pushes the same right wing agenda as the likes of the Daily Mail, Telegraph, GB News and the Express."

Yeah, the same guy that has very publicly condemed Tommy Robinson, and dispises him.....

You see how your train of thought is always so bloody one dimensional .....the same far right Piers Morgan who hates the same far right Tommy Robinson... but they must all be the same by your flawed and stupid logic..... it's immature and naive.

"but after the phone hacking scandal everyone knows what he is, a liar with no integrity"

Oh, so he was found guilty of that..... that's news to me, please provide the evidence..... but I know what this is.... just more assumptions from you, which you are brilliant at.

"Again that 2011 times article may have been accurate, but the reason Morgan is tweeting it is he's wants to keep the focus on these cases to distorts public perception of this happening constantly, and create a fear and suspicion of Muslims"

What a complete and utter bullshit and dishonest statement..... fuck me, do you ever stop being dishonest and lying so much?

Did Piers Morgan not tear Tommy Robinson apart on national TV about using his Muslim rethoric to turn people against Muslim people and to fear them, and did he and does he not still consistently tweet about this specific issue with Tommy Robinson.... even up until today.... Yes or No....

Man, your level of dishonesty and deceitful posts is pathetic.... truly disgusting.

Watch here in full.... it is only just over 3 minutes....so you should have no excuse not to watch the whole video.

Piers Morgan vs Tommy Robinson

EDIT:

Here is the full 18 minute interview between Piers and Tommy Robinson.

Sadly, all it does is just make you look more of an idiot and a liar than the 3 minute clip I posted

Piers vs Tommy

Watch that and tell me you are not pathetic and a blatant liar...... 

If anyone at all has taken on Tommy Robinson it is Piers Morgan, ALL the time.... and he still does it daily on X, up until the last 24 hours, go and check yourself.

You have no idea at all how Piers Morgan still annihilates Tommy Robinson on X, all the times, go and look yourself, again, I won't do that for you.... and this happens from you all the time because you think both Piers and Tommy are both right wing activists so they must all be the same, so therefore blatantly lie about them..... piss poor man... just piss poor.

This is exactly what I referred to earlier..... you are just too bloody one minded and too emotional... and never rational....and this is a absolutely perfect example of that....

If you could ever take an example of just how dishonet you are, it is right here for eveyone to see....just no rational thought at all.

A lack of integrity is such a poor character trait to have.... shame on you

Piers Morgan is tweeting this because like a huge amount of the British population, he wants answers..... but no, he mos can't do that .... because then he is just another disgusting right wing activist.... but he is THAT same right wing activist that absolutely destroyed another right wing activist on national TV for stirring up unnecessary fear and hatred against Muslims...

LOL.... you are hilarious man.... but sad.

"Think about the insanity of your position, you harp on about muslim child sex abuses but you think a muslim man facing charges of child sex abuse charges has some good political positions.

Yeah Hitler made some good roads and banned fox hunting, I think I'll overlook his other political positions and support him.

You have been taking in by these bad faith actors. Completely blind to what they are."

After this thread here, I have absolutely no doubts in my mind just how dishonest and deceitful of a poster you really are, who lacks any foresight and integrity with certain topics that make you too emotional to make a reasonable and rational deduction.... just pathetic man... seriously.

Do your research before you make any statements or opinions, because you don't, and that is blatantly obvious to anyone.

"I'm bloody one minded?. I'm not the one shouting MUSLIM GROOMING GANGS EVERYWHERE!!! ITS A COVER UP!!!...THE TRUTH IS ABOUT TO BE REVEALED!!!."

No, you just continuously blatantly lie yourself through discussions and just hope that people don't actually either know better than you, or call you up on all your constant deliberate bullshit and lies.

"The raping hoards of Muslim grooming gangs are coming for us...quick everyone run for the hills!"

Your usual 5 year old immature response...... just minimise and ridicule what has been going on to thousands of young innocent girls .... for decades....

Fucking disgusting....

"Translation I would take the recommendations of a report if it agrees with my preconceived views and reject anything that contradicts them."

Well, at least I would be honest in my statements ... unlike you who is a habitual liar...

"The problem is the report has already published it but people like you won't accept it because you don't like what it says."

Actually, it's really because people that conducted that report had some of your very obvious and repeated tendencies that we see on here.... deceitful and dishonest behaviour... ...so if the shoe fits...

His Report - Statement - Interview - Speech that I referenced above .... ok....so I take that as yes, he was correct.

His statement that there was a conspiracy between Muslim leader and the police, what evidence is there of that?, he describes the process on the how gangs groom the victims which is probably accurate but also largely the same methods used by non muslim grooming gangs as well.

So his statement could only be described as partially accurate but he's phrasing it in a way to push his agenda.

Yeah, the same guy that has very publicly condemed Tommy Robinson, and dispises him.....

You see how your train of thought is always so bloody one dimensional .....the same far right Piers Morgan who hates the same far right Tommy Robinson... but they must all be the same by your flawed and stupid logic..... it's immature and naive.

Farage condemend Tommy Robinson as well that doesn't mean both of them are not pushing the same agenda, its just Farage and Morgan are little less overt about how they do it, so they don't get into trouble with the law.

Oh, so he was found guilty of that..... that's news to me, please provide the evidence..... but I know what this is.... just more assumptions from you, which you are brilliant at.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/dec/15/piers-morgan-denies-knowing-phone-hacking-judge-rules-did-prince-harry

What a complete and utter bullshit and dishonest statement..... fuck me, do you ever stop being dishonest and lying so much?

Would you just stop for like one post with the accusations of lying and dishonesty and actually trying to debate like an adult.

Did Piers Morgan not tear Tommy Robinson apart on national TV about using his Muslim rethoric to turn people against Muslim people and to fear them, and did he and does he not still consistently tweet about this specific issue with Tommy Robinson.... even up until today.... Yes or No....

Its irrelevant if he did, he's still pushing a similar agenda to Robinson.

Man, your level of dishonesty and deceitful posts is pathetic.... truly disgusting.

How was I being dishonest. You post a link to a video I wasn't talking about it and act like I was lying about it somehow.

Watch here in full.... it is only just over 3 minutes....so you should have no excuse not to watch the whole video.

Watch that and tell me you are not pathetic and a blatant liar......

Would you just stop with this stupid hysterics and ridiculous fake outrage.

If anyone at all has taken on Tommy Robinson it is Piers Morgan, ALL the time.... and he still does it daily on X, up until the last 24 hours, go and check yourself.

You have no idea at all how Piers Morgan still annihilates Tommy Robinson on X, all the times, go and look yourself, again, I won't do that for you.... and this happens from you all the time because you think both Piers and Tommy are both right wing activists so they must all be the same, so therefore blatantly lie about them..... piss poor man... just piss poor.

If you don't think Piers Morgan isn't pushing a right wing agenda you are delusional. As I said in the previous post he has held right wing politicians to account in the past and asked difficult question of them, and his shtick to an extent is to be an contrarian. But its clear from anyone who's familiar with Morgan where his political views are at particularly with the amount of time he spends on culture war stuff . When you accuse of me saying Piers and Tommy are all the same. I literally said in my previous post Morgan was nowhere near as bad as Robinson. And you call me a liar?

This is exactly what I referred to earlier..... you are just too bloody one minded and too emotional... and never rational....and this is a absolutely perfect example of that....

I literally said he was no where near as bad as Robinson. You call me emotional. Look at how you reacted to my very first post. Straight away attacking my character, just for posting a video that referenced an actual government report into the matter. And these constant accusations that I'm lying. Look at your posts, you come across as someone who's in a constant rage, I can almost imaging you screaming out what you're typing in response to me. Your nothing but emotional, incapable of engaging in normal civilized debate.

A lack of integrity is such a poor character trait to have.... shame on you

I didn't hack anyone's phone and lie about it.

Piers Morgan is tweeting this because like a huge amount of the British population, he wants answers..... but no, he mos can't do that .... because then he is just another disgusting right wing activist.... but he is THAT same right wing activist that absolutely destroyed another right wing activist on national TV for stirring up unnecessary fear and hatred against Muslims...

He's tweeting because it because its his profession. An outrage merchant.

You seem to struggle with the concept that there is a sliding scale when it comes to people. Criticisming a person for being too far right doesn't mean a person is not right wing themselves and pushing similar narratives just less aggressively.

After this thread here, I have absolutely no doubts in my mind just how dishonest and deceitful of a poster you really are, who lacks any foresight and integrity with certain topics that make you too emotional to make a reasonable and rational deduction.... just pathetic man... seriously.

Jesus H Christ on a bike, again accusing me of dishonest and lying. Really shows how little you can actually debate, just constant projection of your own failures on to others.

Do your research before you make any statements or opinions, because you don't, and that is blatantly obvious to anyone.

So my first post was linking to a video that cited the government commissioned independent report in child sex abuse in the UK. How was that not me doing my own research?

No, you just continuously blatantly lie yourself through discussions and just hope that people don't actually either know better than you, or call you up on all your constant deliberate bullshit and lies.

Again with the accusation of lying. You know you could of just accused me of it once to make whatever point you think your making, instead of wasting everyone's time and coming across as a raging hysterical person.

Your usual 5 year old immature response...... just minimise and ridicule what has been going on to thousands of young innocent girls .... for decades....

Fucking disgusting....

Where did I ridicule child abuse? For someone who spends so much time accusing me of lying you do a lot of it yourself. And that's a pretty disgusting accusation you just made.

Well, at least I would be honest in my statements ... unlike you who is a habitual liar...

LOL and there you have it folks and admission your not going accept any evidence if it contradicts your world view.

Actually, it's really because people that conducted that report had some of your very obvious and repeated tendencies that we see on here.... deceitful and dishonest behaviour... ...so if the shoe fits...

Well leaving aside your clear views on me, you have zero evidence to indicate anything in that report was done in a deceitful and dishonest manner.

Stav, you're expending a lot of time and energy on a hopelessly biased and indoctrinated zealot who would stand by his narrow-minded dogma even if you conclusiv ely proved him to be wrong.

You're either crediting him with the intelligence to recognize his errors or the objectivity to concede defeat.

Sadly, neither one is true. 

Sadly…..oh dear are you saddened 2 pot? Should I suggest a good book?

 Rooinek  and Stav

Nobody has desctined the conduct by you two bette than the following  coming  from empty head Rooinek-

"stand by his narrow-minded dogma even if you conclusibely proved him to be wrong."

If you two has any dogma it must be what The Guardian and CNN tell you to believe - I know Rooinek is a toal idiot whith no caacity to think for  himself - but  Stav is chsing hard to overtake him    

"Rooinek is a toal idiot whith no caacity to think for  himself"

We all know that Rooi is the real low-born slut, isn't it Mike.

The true origin of low-born sluttery.

FYI that slur has now made its way through much of my family and friends.

"FYI that slur has now made its way through much of my family and friends."

ButtPlug, I'm quite sure I speak for the majority of posters when I say we don't really care about the lack of breeding or loose sexual morals of you, your family or your (alleged) friends.

Two Pot says:

‘Ou Maaik, I don't read CNN or the Guardian and - unlike you - I'm quite capable of thinking for myself’

Hahahaha he ‘reads’ CNN. The poor fool is so insular he doesn’t even realize CNN is a cable news network

LMAOFY&Y…..yet another embarrassing foot shoot.

Who's going to tell the doddering old fool that CNN is also a website? If I tell him it will lead to a hands-on-hip teapot foot-stamping scenario with the geriatric old drunkard sticking out his tongue, putting his thumbs in his ears and waggling his fingers.

Of course it’s a website, so is the BBC….but people primarily watch both. But perhaps I do you a disservice….is it not provided on your basic TV package

Doesn't matter, Rooi...

You're still the lowest born slut of them all.

And how do you know that Stav doesn't care about the lack of breeding and loose morals of my family and friends?

A good(bad) chunk of them are Irish, btw.

I wouldn't know. I don't watch it, I don't read it and I don't search for it . . . which is the point I was making before you exploded in yet another of your childish fits of spiteful and pathetic one-upmanship.

‘spiteful and pathetic.one-upmanship’

Gosh that’s a new bit of punctuation. What exactly is that period after ‘pathetic’. And I would recommend a capital after a period.

Too late you egg-faced old fool. I corrected that typo before you posted your predictable and childish little barb . . . as if it makes one iota of difference to what I'm saying about your truly pathetic and juvenile character.

Don't take my word for it, look at the timestamps and get your nurse to help you wipe all that egg off your fat face.

LMAO!

Oh no…..not another massive, ignorant stupid blunder. You Moron, the time stamp of the defective post remains as it was originally when you posted it. It does not reflect when you corrected it with my help.

So all we know from time stamps is you made a defective post at 19.39. I pointed out the defect to you at 19.45. You then corrected it and documented that at 19.50.

What you are trying to say is you made  that small correction before I made my post. But it then took you at least 5.00 minutes to make your next post.

You’re lying. 

Moffie. I think we all know how important it is for you to finally get one over me, but take some friendly advice, before you try, educate yourself and try to behave like an adult . . . and then you may have some kind of chance.

You’re lying Peeper, you just completely humiliated yourself again…thinking the time stamp changed when you updated the post. Why else would you think the time stamp proves anything.

The typo was edited before you posted your childish little nyaah nyaah tongue-sticking weak-arsed schoolboy effort.

Fact, timestamp or not.

So your admonition to me to look at the time stamp was incredibly stupid…..a simple yes or no?

No, you posted your childish little squeal after I'd corrected the typo. Spin that however you want, loser.

How do we know that? All we have is your response 5 minutes later. I don’t believe you. But regardless, asking me to look at time stamps was total ignorance.

"Boo whitey don't want to listen to me...weeeee whitey must be racist."

I shouldn't bother responding to your childish and immature utterings but just to set the record straight.

I don't believe every whitey is a racist and even during the Apartheid era there were a few who were outspoken critics of the system.  Being white does not mean you're a racist and to believe that every white is a racist makes you a racist.

As for the posters on here I don't believe Rooinek is a racist and I've posted alongside of him for over 20 odd years...... and neither is Draad. 

As for you and your mate Underpants, I believe the two of you are unashamed racist scum .

No, Denise, I'm transphobic. 

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/dec/15/piers-morgan-denies-knowing-phone-hacking-judge-rules-did-prince-harry

I will ask you again, where was Piers Morgan found guilty of phone hacking and what was the penalty / sanction or punishment.

Just provide the legal outcome to this accusation you made.

"Its irrelevant if he did, he's still pushing a similar agenda to Robinson"

Tell your lies somewhere else.... Piers Morgan has fought extremely hard for the Muslim population and Isla maphobia for many years already.... you are just too ignorant and stupid to not see it.

"So my first post was linking to a video that cited the government commissioned independent report in child sex abuse in the UK. How was that not me doing my own research?"

Because the report is complete and utter bullshit and it was fabricated to leave out so much more evidence that should have been included, but you are just too ignorant and stupid to either research more enough into it and just take it at face value, or just look a little bit further than your own one dimensional, blinkers on thought process.

Why not just enlighten yourself and look at how many people have spoken out now about why their testimony was not included in that initial report, or why so many refused to sign their affadavit's at the police station because their own testimony was edited or changed, or totally excluded completely.......which is the testimony and amended reports that ended up in the report you referred to.

"Where did I ridicule child abuse? For someone who spends so much time accusing me of lying you do a lot of it yourself. And that's a pretty disgusting accusation you just made"

The accusation stands, because the proof is right there....you are despicable man.

If you don't think the statement about running for the hills away from grooming Muslims gangs, who have horrifically and systematically sexually abused thousands of young girls over decades... is not ridiculing the sexual abuse that these very young girls went through because of these very same Muslim grooming gangs you are joking about....... and with what they have done and continue to do till today, then you are incredibly dumb and insensitive to what they went through..... and what is actually more frightening is that you don't even see anyhting wrong with it at all... as I said....you are despicable and disgusting.

"Well leaving aside your clear views on me, you have zero evidence to indicate anything in that report was done in a deceitful and dishonest manner."

Witness testimony, victim impact statements ....  seen quite a lot of them

"How was I being dishonest. You post a link to a video I wasn't talking about it and act like I was lying about it somehow."

Because you say that Piers Morgan is posting things about Muslims to sow fear and suspicion about Muslims, whilst he is on national TV fighting for the entire Muslim population in the UK..

You are dishonest

"but just to set the record straight.

"I don't believe every whitey is a racist and even during the Apartheid era there were a few who were outspoken critics of the system.  Being white does not mean you're a racist and to believe that every white is a racist makes you a racist."

You try and keep changing that story of yours Denny boy.... hoping that one day, just maybe someone might believe all your bullshit.... to finally make you feel a little bit better about yourself.

If you really and honestly didn't think that all White people were racist, then why, according to your very own statement below, did you hate ALL White people, and that you wanted to kill them all, but not only just kill them.... you actually devised ways of killing them over and over again....

"I began to believe that white people were inherently evil"

"From thereon in I hated all white people and I thought of ways of killing them. Not only killing them but to devise ways of repeatedly killing them"

"I couldn't get myself to sit next to a white person in a train"

I carried that hate with me to Australia, would vent at the slightest stir from the locals......suffered many an outburst. I'll never forget the dumbstruck look on their faces.

Racist much......?

The fact of the matter is the British People are today very much aware that they have been monumentally betrayed by the Open Border Globalists who are destroying their country.

"The first and preferable response  to these invaders is to deport every single one of them"

Disgusting how this can take 9 years or more to deport someone who was found guilty of this crime and even had his citizenship revoked.

No fool, I've explained it all in my first post but you fail to understand or you refuse to understand. But I'll give you the benefit of doubt and say perhaps because you lived in a separate world where Apartheid propaganda and brainwashing ruled lets pretend that it's difficult for you to understand.

I'll say it one more time but I don't hold out hope that you'll try to understand. Either way I don't care whether you do or don't, it's obvious that you hate me and will do anything to bring me down. 

You never felt the effects of Apartheid being in your privileged position with a white skin but to the oppress the system proved dehumanizing and demonic. Do you understand? Do you understand what it means when I say dehumanizing and demonic? Do you understand that millions of the oppressed felt the same way as I did and that one man brought sanity to a nation which had lived in an insane and toxic environment for over 4 decades? That Mandela and Mandela alone turned things around and used Rugby as a catalyst to achieve harmony and peace by successfully uniting the people.

Nelson Mandela was aware of the bitterness and hate hence the reason he tried to unite the country and stop it from going up in flames.

My statements which comes across as a treasure trove to you were made out of my own volition, it's not something I was forced to disclose, I did so under my own free will and the reason is simple, I spoke as the oppress would speak, I spoke of the pain and humiliation and the damaging effects the system caused  over 46 years 24/7. I also spoke of the struggle I suffered in my earlier years in Oz trying to rid myself of the bitterness and hate which I'm happy to say  took a while but has proven successful.

So there I've given you an almost full description of my comments.

Answer me this, if you suffered as the oppress how would you have felt and dealt with it?

Look DA I don't expect a reasonable approach from you, you're on a point scoring mission as per normal, I'm not asking for your sympathy or understanding, believe me, I don't need it, but I understand that most white folks were indifferent to what was happening on the other side of the fence and I'm sure that unlike you they'd appreciate an honest insight from the other side of the fence. I hope to have achieved that end.

But go ahead, tell me how you'd feel about detention without trial, deaths in detention, denial of political representation of your fellow people........and amongst other things dehumanized?

The floor is yours.

"My statements which comes across as a treasure trove to you were made out of my own volition, it's not something I was forced to disclose, I did so under my own free will and the reason is simple, I spoke as the oppress would speak, I spoke of the pain and humiliation and the damaging effects the system caused  over 46 years 24/7. I also spoke of the struggle I suffered in my earlier years in Oz trying to rid myself of the bitterness and hate which I'm happy to say  took a while but has proven successful."

Then stop pretending you are not or ever were racists, because you clearly were, and still are, just by the way you 

"Look DA I don't expect a reasonable approach from you, you're on a point scoring mission as per normal, I'm not asking for your sympathy or understanding, believe me, I don't need it, but I understand that most white folks were indifferent to what was happening on the other side of the fence and I'm sure that unlike you they'd appreciate an honest insight from the other side of the fence. I hope to have achieved that end.

But go ahead, tell me how you'd feel about detention without trial, deaths in detention, denial of political representation of your fellow people........and amongst other things dehumanized?"

I absolutely detested and dispised Apartheid, mainly because I grew up with a LOT of black friends and I saw how it affected them and even me....

I could not do things with my friends or share personal life experiences with them because of the colour of their skin.

At the same time, I detest people like you who try at every opportunity to make me feel guilty for being White when I did absolutely fuck all wrong.

I don't need to explain anything else, I have said enough

I will ask you again, where was Piers Morgan found guilty of phone hacking and what was the penalty / sanction or punishment.

Just provide the legal outcome to this accusation you made.

Did you miss the part where a Judge ruled that Morgan both knew and was involved in the phone hacking scandal. I'll also take the word of the Head of the Independent Press Standard Organization when called out Morgan's statement of denial.

Tell your lies somewhere else.... Piers Morgan has fought extremely hard for the Muslim population and Islamaphobia for many years already.... you are just too ignorant and stupid to not see it.

Morgan's just another right wing political commentator (who happens to be left on Gun control, because the UK right wing isn't as insane as the American right wing) who constantly pushes right wing talking points. As I've said he's not nearly as bad as Robinson and has done good journalism in the past when asking tough questions on both side of the political spectrum, but that doesn't hide his political biases. His tweeting of that headline is a case in point, he's asking a question but its in bad faith. He's not wanting an answer to a question, he want's to put the idea into people's mind.

Because the report is complete and utter bullshit and it was fabricated to leave out so much more evidence that should have been included, but you are just too ignorant and stupid to either research more enough into it and just take it at face value, or just look a little bit further than your own one dimensional, blinkers on thought process.

Why not just enlighten yourself and look at how many people have spoken out now about why their testimony was not included in that initial report, or why so many refused to sign their affadavit's at the police station because their own testimony was edited or changed, or totally excluded completely.......which is the testimony and amended reports that ended up in the report you referred to.

The report took 7 years to complete and cost 2 million pounds. And here you are just saying its complete and utter bullshit based on absolute zero evidence. You dismissed it without even reading it. Which parts of the report where fabricated, what evidence was left out of this specific report. Who's testimony was not included? Your just throwing shit at this stage desperately hoping something will stick.

The accusation stands, because the proof is right there....you are despicable man.

If you don't think the statement about running for the hills away from grooming Muslims gangs, who have horrifically and systematically sexually abused thousands of young girls over decades... is not ridiculing the sexual abuse that these very young girls went through because of these very same Muslim grooming gangs you are joking about....... and with what they have done and continue to do till today, then you are incredibly dumb and insensitive to what they went through..... and what is actually more frightening is that you don't even see anything wrong with it at all... as I said....you are despicable and disgusting.

Child abuse is one of the most vile and serious crimes around, its not a laughing matter. Anyone convicted of abusing a child be they Muslim or any other religion nationality or skin color should receive extremely long jail terms and the victims should be supported as much as possible. All the recommendations of the Jay Report should be implemented in full as soon as possible to reduce the likelihood of recurrences of these offenses.

I'm mocking the hysterical over exaggeration of racist, Islamophobic bigots that focus almost exclusive on the crimes of Muslims of which you most definitely are. Truth is you don't give a shit about the victims of child sex abuse, much like Robinson and co. You're only looking to exploit them to have an excuse to hate on Muslims, just as you where doing with the Ashley Biden diary story. Its extremely disgusting.

Witness testimony, victim impact statements ....  seen quite a lot of them

Specific examples that apply to the Jay Report please.

Because you say that Piers Morgan is posting things about Muslims to sow fear and suspicion about Muslims, whilst he is on national TV fighting for the entire Muslim population in the UK..

You are dishonest

That's exactly why he made that tweet. Should we bring up his appearances on national TV where he's confronting Muslims?

You make it sound as if the debate is painful, well, it works two ways. But just before you float away,  I ask again.......if you were part of the oppressed how would you have felt towards the whites who were the oppressors and who by majority voted for evil Apartheid?

"Did you miss the part where a Judge ruled that Morgan both knew and was involved in the phone hacking scandal. I'll also take the word of the Head of the Independent Press Standard Organization when called out Morgan's statement of denial."

No, I just missed the entire part where Piers Morgan was ch arged, found guilty and convicted for hacking people's phones....

So much for you always demading that we deal with the actual facts .... just spouting more bullshit statements again.

Piers has on many occassions very publicly asked people who posted something on social media to retract their statement about him being found guilty of hacking phones, otherwise he would sue them.... and every single one of them did.......that is not the actions of a man who was proven to be guilty of a crime.

"he's asking a question but its in bad faith. He's not wanting an answer to a question, he want's to put the idea into people's mind."

You are just absolutely stupid and naive

Go and look at how Piers Morgan has tackled Islamaphobia in the UK, both on TV, in the media and and on social platforms like X ...... he has been doing this for years, literally hundreds of times... non-stop.......and if you did actually look into it, which you won't, because it proves you to be horribly wrong.... it would also make you look like the totally ignorant moron that you are.

I don't like some of things that Piers agrees with, but to accuse him of deliberately inflaming the UK population to sow fear and suspicion on the Muslim people is just downright dishonest and lies...period.... it's actually disgusting tactics, but no surprises coming from you.

"The report took 7 years to complete and cost 2 million pounds"

And exactly what is your point here.....that time and money makes it accurate.

You guys were always harping on about the Mueller report and Trump being guilty and that it doesn't make Trump innocent ... and that cost $42 million and that was done over 22 months .....

"I'm mocking the hysterical over exaggeration of racist, Islamophobic bigots that focus almost exclusive on the crimes of Muslims of which you most definitely are"

No, you are the one who constantly uses the running for the Hills analogy when trying to ridicule a particular issue or topic with someone .... you have done it a few times already.... it's extremely childish.

"Truth is you don't give a shit about the victims of child sex abuse"

If there is any clear evidence on this very thread about who does not give a shit about child abuse, sexual assault, and grooming, and makes light of it.....it's you.

"That's exactly why he made that tweet. Should we bring up his appearances on national TV where he's confronting Muslims?"

Yes, by all means, do that.... as a journalist I would fully expect him to debate both sides, no matter what the topic or issue is.

But since you made this suggestion / challenge, clearly to again try and portray Piers Morgan in a bad light regarding Muslims..... let's also compare how many times Piers Morgan has defended the negatives and positives to anything related to Muslims, Islamaphobia.

"You make it sound as if the debate is painful, well, it works two ways. But just before you float away,  I ask again.......if you were part of the oppressed how would you have felt towards the whites who were the oppressors and who by majority voted for evil Apartheid?"

If you hate me so much, I really don't get why my opinion on a serious issue such as this would matter to you at all... or even why it is important for you that I answer you.......I really don't, because I know it will not mean anything to you at all.

Over the many years on this forum, in the long term, at specific points, you have shown nothing but anger and complete hatred towards White people, repeatedly over the years calling us so many times "You Lot" ..."Your Lot"...... "arrogant White South Africans" ... "Your Kind" ...Racist  and quite a few other very choice descriptions for being a White man in South Africa.....

Growing up for me personally, there were so many of "our lot of arrogant White South Africans" that were actually 100% dead set against Apartheid and what it stood for, why it was implemented and how it was enforced, and how it horribly and disgustingly affected millions and millions of totally innocent people ......

But it honestly doesn't really matter at all how I feel about it..... because I will automatically still be called that racist arrogant White South African, by you, and many people like you... even though I had absolutely zero to do with Apartheid, and absolutely hated it.... but purely because my skin is fair..

So that is all I am prepared to respond with, because all you or someone else will end up doing is taking any lived experience or information that I provide or submit, and use it against me in some extremely insulting way, which is precisely why I never ever reveal personal information on this forum... 

So Keir Starmer is specifically ordering Labour MP's to block a national inquiry into the rape gangs plaguing the United Kingdom, despite a national outcry from so many people across the UK, for a new inquiry to be done, due to the amount of information, testimony, evidence etc etc that was not included in these official reports.

Nigel Farage has also now just recently said that if Labour do not hold a full and comprehensive public inquiry into the rape gangs scandal, that he believes were deliberately suppressed or "Played Down" to prevent any racial tensions across the UK, then Farage says that he will ensure that this inquiry is done properly.

When asked if he has the statute of powers to start an inquiry like this, Nigel said that he doesn't, but also that he doesn't need it and that he already has the funds right now, to start an in depth inquiry like this.

He said that they would bring in ex-judges and experts in this specific field and proceed with an in depth inquiry.

Either way, I hope this happens soon

What Quisling is asking for, is for ordinary people as individuals to have changed the system. How would one have done that…I’m curious. But surely not by running away to Australia.

Starmer will onviously efuse to have such an enquiry held = it will be problematic in constituincoies witha large Muslim communities and it could hurt his party adly if he does,   What is bothesone that while  Government institutes such investigations the efort would be to protect the ruling elite and has part of its onjective not embarrass the Government.   

An example is the two Special Counil sappinted by Grland to investigate the removal of Government documents b Hur and Smith.   The problem as that Biden and Garland wants  Smith to investigate and charge Trump with charges and thought that Hr would find nothing wrong in the Biden case.   Hoeve Hur had experince of procedures and when he interviewed Viden and fond that he was nebtally deficiet and although he ound extreme negligence and usage of cladssified documents written by a person with no clearance to use in his ook - Biden was clearly acting against he Law and could be charged witha  criminal offence - but w=de to his finding would not charge Biden due to mental incapacities  Grland refused to release the actual interview Hur condcyed with Biden.  

Smith had no experience of prosecutin in US courts and made a foul up early in his investigation and when Trump said the invetigaion was based on irregularties  he went to the S opreme Court directly and  told by the crrect to follow normal practice in approaching courts,  In other wotrld he must firrst get apprval from Local Courts and then tp the Federal Courts and finall to the Supreme Court.    When the situation reached that the Presidnt has immunity frm prosecution since it could result in legl chaos if the daily decisons are to be regarded as crimes afterhe left the Presidency - it would elad to Presidents not decidinmg on conmtrovesial issues and an uconstitutional situation arise when that threat hangs over the Heads f Presidents.   The Supreme Court the sggest that Congress should pass a law dealing with legal and illegal decisions  of Presidents and that should take into account criminality when eh take decisions that relaes to private issue as against official ations.   The Supreme Cort then advised Congress that in their opinion official decisions ae not to be egarded as a basis for criminal decisions - t private decisions  can be used against Presdents after they leave office,   

That left Smith ina difficult position and he decide to charge TRmp of the remova of documents taken to Mar--Largo and then Smith in his efforts to pleae Biden in a very deificlt situation. Itgot worse when the Florida Judge found that the FBI took fake photos of documents lying on hes trongroom where the documents were taken and some in the toilet adjoining the enterainment room were Trump meetshis guessts abd spread them in te emdia.   She was not amused by that thn ordered  Smitha nd the FBI to returnm all raen sdocents  for inspction by the defense team of TRump - a standard pocess  in US courts.  After epeated warnings the FBI delivered 21 boces of dicuments after they took 32 boxes of documents when they raided the Trump home and wanred Smith and the FBI to sbmit all boces of documents t te Court hich they failed to do and then the Judg e dismissed the charges.    Smith asked te court to allow him to appeal he devision to the Deferal Court - ut before that could be decided on he withdrew the appea.  The only case Smith has left was based on the Pelosi committee findings  which wa odf=ser by an official investigaion by te H ouse comprising 17 000 pages,   He realized that the further invetifation wil nealiz any court case against Trump/

I quoed te above examples since Investigtions initited wil always endeavor to find in favor of he Govrment and never to find the rel problems involved,   

However an investigation by Farage coudl eb sued as a political weapon to be used in futre elections/      So there isa  counter againsta Grage intentions as well so we wil ahve and wait t see what happens in future,  ,             

"You make it sound as if the debate is painful, well, it works two ways. But just before you float away,  I ask again.......if you were part of the oppressed how would you have felt towards the whites who were the oppressors and who by majority voted for evil Apartheid?"

If you hate me so much, I really don't get why my opinion on a serious issue such as this would matter to you at all... or even why it is important for you that I answer you.......I really don't, because I know it will not mean anything to you at all.

So you won't answer the question instead you withdraw yourself and make it all personal. It's quite simple really, all I've asked is to put yourself in the shoes of the oppressed and to then tell your feelings towards those who would have oppressed you.

Over the many years on this forum, in the long term, at specific points, you have shown nothing but anger and complete hatred towards White people, repeatedly over the years calling us so many times "You Lot" ..."Your Lot"...... "arrogant White South Africans" ... "Your Kind" ...Racist  and quite a few other very choice descriptions for being a White man in South Africa.....

It's a pity but those are just blatant lies and once again political point scoring from you. I have only once used the term "You lot" not over many years. For a little while there I was foolish enough to believe that we were going somewhere with this debate, I now recognize I was hopelessly wrong. But here's the thing, whites were a law unto themselves, did whatever they wanted to do to the oppressed, thought of black people as kaffirs and called them such, also called colored people Hottnots, magistrates and white priests and I quote "Black people mustn't say Our Father because God was a white man" but here you are offended when I say 'You Lot' on an insignificant rugby message board. Helloooooooo.

Growing up for me personally,  there were so many of"our lot of arrogant White South Africans" that were actually 100% dead set against Apartheid and what it stood for, why it was implemented and how it was enforced, and how it horribly and disgustingly affected millions and millions of totally innocent people ......

Really??? Funny that for some strange reason"there were so many"  didn't reflect where it mattered most and that was in the ballot box. Another funny when one speaks to white people of that era, like you the first thing they'd say is I had many black friends. How was that possible when ethnic groups were divided into what was known as Group Areas and that it was illegal for black people to frequent white areas after dark. I mean you did say you had many black friends.

But it honestly doesn't really matter at all how I feel about it..... because I will automatically still be called that racist arrogant White South African, by you, and many people like you... even though I had absolutely zero to do with Apartheid, and absolutely hated it.... but purely because my skin is fair..

Well, we've all been affected by Apartheid, just in different ways, what you can't deny is that the system affected white people in that it was beneficial to them simply because of their pigmentation.

Arrogant much? 

Did you know that there was an immigration policy fully funding whites to migrate to South Africa? Did you know that the Nationalist party was dissatisfied with white South African population numbers and funded white families so as to produce more offspring?

So that is all I am prepared to respond with, because all you or someone else will end up doing is taking any lived experience or information that I provide or submit, and use it against me in some extremely insulting way, which is precisely why I never ever reveal personal information on this forum... 

Which is exactly what you're guilty of when I revealed my opinions on this forum.

I ask nothing of you or any white person I guess all I wanted was for a healthy debate , I don't seek reprisal, the past is the past it can't change, we just have to live with it as best we can, we've had our differences but that is just part and parcel of a message board. I'm happy in Oz. Also as part of my cleansing process I've spent time with a few white SAFFAS on this forum, go ahead, ask them about me. I also have several white ozzie friends. Pardon my speak, it's a shame that it's sunk to this level for as a rule I see humans' first long before I see colour.

Enough has been said, it's a pity that it was a wasted effort but you take care, we can only control what we can, we are all victims of circumstance.

I'm done.

You haven’t explained just how ordinary South Africans were supposed to change the system

You didn't answer my question.

I have no idea what question you are referring to Quisling. But you have called us racists….actually according to you all but 2 of those posting on the Board are racists. 

‘ I don't believe every whitey is a racist and even during the Apartheid era there were a few who were outspoken critics of the system.  Being white does not mean you're a racist and to believe that every white is a racist makes you a racist.

As for the posters on here I don't believe Rooinek is a racist and I've posted alongside of him for over 20 odd years...... and neither is Draad. 

As for you and your mate Underpants, I believe the two of you are unashamed racist scum’

……

So as a supposed racist, what exactly was I supposed to do as a schoolboy and a college student. What was my path to save the country.

You really have to up your style, it's predictable and boring. 

Must be the weather, gawd you must be awfully bored stuck inside for weeks on end. 

I feel your pain.

Hope your nuts haven't frozen off

So you don’t have an answer…just an empty accusation that everybody on the Board barring two are racists. You’re the biggest racist on this Board by a mile. You see everything in life through a racial lens.

So let’s have it, how was a person who left the country by his mid twenties supposed to have fought Apartheid. And while you are about it, tell us why you didn’t do that.

Run away se gat ................. I'd no intention of staying where cos of my skin colour I could expect fewer career opportunities, lower wages & restrictions about where I could eat, what cinemas I could frequent or where I could or couldn't live or purchase a house etc. Fck at Newlands we were restricted to a standing area behind the goalposts on the south side.

My Dad was a war hero, wounded in North Africa, repatriated, returned to the war in '43 in Italy where he was again wounded . After the war he received a 60% disability pension. Twenty years after the war he stood alongside my Ma at Cape Town Docks & waved goodbye to his firstborn daughter as she headed to the UK to marry her white boyfriend.

I couldn't wait to get out ............. Boer se moer was the creed.

South Africa was paradise ................... but just for honky.

& my Homeland truly deserves its spot on Zapiro's, 'Trash Heap of History'

"But your lot did, not only that you demonized the oppressed for 46 long years. You denied them their humanity, crushed their spirit, stripped them of the right to vote, like pigs at a trough you grabbed the best of what there was for yourselves and wrote it into law(Immorality Act, Group Areas Act, Job Reservation)"

"Did you say you didn't kill any racial group ? You fuckin destroyed them! "

A lot of "you" being used here. And this was directed at DA.

So Denise, are you blaming DA, or are you blaming all whites people?

You claim that DA and myself are massive racists, but that Draad and Rooi aren't.

Do Draad and Rooi also fall under the plural you above, or was it only DA and myself that did all the apartheid'ing?

Do you wish for a personal apology from each whitey you meet, or do you just want for us all to throw you a nice big pity party, and crown you the most "affected" on the board?

"Really??? Funny that for some strange reason"there were so many"  didn't reflect where it mattered most and that was in the ballot box."

Actually,  the first time it w ent to the ballot in 92, it was voted out by a huge margin...a vote for the Nats wasn't a necessarily a vote for Apartheid,  it was a vote against the Sappe...die arm blankes have been fighting their demons since before Apartheid...it was a stupid symptom of that fight...in our fight for survival, we trampled on the rights of others...it was shameful and we know it...that's why we ended it.

Hang in there Buttplug and Moffie....be back shortly

Here.....apologies for the delay

Draad, I have a mile of respect for you, we won't and don't always see eye to eye but you're a decent person. you do make a difference on this board. Pity we couldn't touch base.

edit: it was shameful and we know it...that's why we ended it.

I've heard a different story, I'm not sure how true it is but I got this from a white SAFFA lawyer who ran his own very successful company.

He said that the boycotts had ruined the country's economy hence the reason the Nats handed it over.

"Do Draad and Rooi also fall under the plural you above, or was it only DA and myself that did all the apartheid'ing?"

Yes Plum, particularly myself,  as I am Afrikaans...we will forever live with the shame of Apartheid...but we did not create and end Apartheid only...we did a few other things too...not all bad...

Draad: Care to comment re my above Edit?

Denise wants so desperately to believe that whites are racist...but as it turns out, the first chance the white majority got, they ended apartheid.

But let's cast our minds back to Jan 6. Something Denise often uses to decry the racist Trump and his supporters. And let's ask how many people were harmed that day by the terrible racist scum? Here are some stats...feel free to correct any that are wrong.

Total People Injured: Over 140(I’m not sure about this number) police officers were assaulted, including more than 80 from the U.S. Capitol Police and over 60 from the Washington, D.C. Metropolitan Police Department.

Deaths:

• Police Officers: 1 officer, Brian Sicknick, died of natural causes after suffering strokes following the event.
• Civilians: 4 individuals died during the event:
• 1 rioter was fatally shot by a Capitol Police officer.
• 1 rioter died from a drug overdose.
• 2 individuals died from natural causes.

Property Damage: The attack caused approximately $2.8 million in damages to the U.S. Capitol building and grounds.

But, remember when Denise was on here preaching BLM to all of us, and actually signing off posts with ”BLM”? Well, let’s take a look at some stats relating to his party.

Here are some stats for the BLM/Antifa riots...

Total People Injured: ~2,000+ police officers, thousands of civilians (exact number unknown).

Dead Police Officers: 2 reported.

Dead Civilians: At least 19 reported.

Property Damage: $1–2 billion in insured losses.

Has Denise treated these two with the same “objectivity” and holier-than-thou good faith?

Have we ever heard her talk about the disgusting acts carried out by BLM, threatening and harming elderly people, beating up people for no reason at all, killing people, robbing and looting, and causing billions of dollars in damages?

Of course not.

Why?

Because she will buy anything that any race trader is selling. And this goes back to the discussion that I had with Stav recently where I tried to explain to him why actual evidence is needed when you wish to demonise a group. See, Denise bought into the whole “50% of the US are complete racist scumbags” much like so many young US kids did. And the results, just look at the statistics above, at the damage to property and persons. Actual, harm caused by sustained and dangerous rhetoric for which there was little to no evidence. Rhetoric that Denise supports in full.

Why was it allowed to happen?

Because of the “othering” that Stav mentioned. And Denise has taken full part in that othering, calling others Nazis, fascists and racists. All the lies the mass media pumped out about how racist Trump was, how “far-right” anybody who didn’t support BLM was, and how fascists must be destroyed at every turn. Denise bought it all. Denise othered people, and continues to do so, to this day.

Why does Denise behave like this?

Denise is a racist looking for an excuse to demonise others while completely excusing the massive wrongdoing of those who look like her or agree with her.

And that’s why Denise called Karim-Allah “her girl”. Denise is completely absorbed by race. She doesn’t have anything substantial against Trump. She just knows that if she’s against Trump then she can scream racist and bigot at people at the top of her high-pitched voice. She has full license to demonise those who don’t agree with her, and that’s all she really wants to do. Not because she really believes those people are racists and bigots, but simply because she wants to cause some harm and she sees that as the safest way to do so.

An intellectual and emotional coward, not worth anyone’s breath.

An intellectual and emotional coward not worth anyone’s breath.

Wehe.....This from the Liar who's served the board a bible reading crock of shit.

"So you won't answer the question instead you withdraw yourself and make it all personal"

Correct, because it is a very personal issue to me, and I expect it would be for any other White person growing up back then.... and I refuse to reveal any personal information on this forum.... and why the hell is it so important for you to get my pesonal thoughts on issues like this when you despise me so much..... move on dude.

It's a pity but those are just blatant lies and once again political point scoring from you. I have only once used the term "You lot" not over many years"

And there I was.... expecting a little bit of honesty from you.......

"For a little while there I was foolish enough to believe that we were going somewhere with this debate, I now recognize I was hopelessly wrong."

I am not foolish enough to think or believe that anything at all that I might say, will satisfy your hatred of the White man.... I am not naive or stupid enough to believe that I could ever quenche that deep seated hated that resides in you, which pops it's head up every now and again.... it really is that simple.

You can profess as much as you want to, to everyone on this forum, that you now like or love the White man..... what absolute bullshit.... your inner hatred of us White people surfaces every now and then, so stop trying to pretend that you are this new and better version of yourself.... you are still a very noticable racist.

"Really??? Funny that for some strange reason"there were so many"  didn't reflect where it mattered most and that was in the ballot box. Another funny when one speaks to white people of that era, like you the first thing they'd say is I had many black friends. How was that possible when ethnic groups were divided into what was known as Group Areas and that it was illegal for black people to frequent white areas after dark. I mean you did say you had many black friends"

And this is where we always get back to.......and always from a racist Black man's perspective

How can you possibly say that you had lot's of black friends, because we were socially divided back then, almost every single day....

I grew up with boys in the bush that later became "Makhwethas" and we would very often go swimming in resevoirs, fishing in lakes or rivers... and get chased in the bush by Kiviki birds all the time, protecting their nests, whilst we would hunt for snakes...... you don't know anything about me and I will never feel the need, urge or ncecessity to explain myself to someone like you.

You left this country, and I could have done the exact same thing at any given time... many....many times... but I chose to stay ...... so don''t be so angry about the choice that you personally made.... because I'm not, and never will be.... I have a bloody fantastic life. 

Arrogant much? 

Arrogant for stating my own truth........ see what I mean, it's your usual insulting response..... racist much?

"I ask nothing of you or any white person I guess all I wanted was for a healthy debate"

No you don't, and you never have.... stop bulllshitting everyone, we are not naive or stupid.

All you want is ammunition to use later in some derogatory or insulting way

Your hatred of the White man is 100% crystal clear, and nothing you will ever say will change my mind on that..... so don't bother.... you are totally oblivious to your very obvious racist behaviour.

You pretend to start some innocent debate to get information from people, purely to try and extract that information and use it in some extremely insulting and disgusting way later on...... I have seen you do it far too many times on here dude.....just like some of your buddies do.

I have absolutely zero interest in explaining or defending why I am White, to you, or any other person on this forum.... I know what I myself have personally done over the years for the previously dissadvantaged, previoulsy disenfranchised, homeless blah blah blah blah... which is something I would never get into with someone like you, or anyone else, because it's just not me, you don't ever discuss shit like that.... you do it quietly, behind the scenes, without seeking affirmation or recognition from anyone, especially racist people like you.

And maybe you could answer Moz's question on what exactly you expected from the young people back then to do.....

But...let's just go back to you hating me because I am White, because then at least I know things are back to normal

"Draad, I have a mile of respect for you, we won't and don't always see eye to eye but you're a decent person. you do make a difference on this board. Pity we couldn't touch base.

Ja Denny...of all the places I could work while you were in Cape Town, it had to be in a place with no phone reception...it's been 7, 8 years already...damn, time flies...

And yes, our different backgrounds will have us at loggerheads...probably more often than not, but if we don't have these conversations,  we will learn nothing new...and I've learned a few things on this bo ard over the years...

"Yes Plum, particularly myself,  as I am Afrikaans...we will forever live with the shame of Apartheid...but we did not create and end Apartheid only...we did a few other things too...not all bad..."

Well, white South Africans won SA through conquest, which was the order of the day on the entire planet. That was the world. If you can't beat us, then we take your shit. The blacks themselves did it. Shaka is supposed to be some hero...well, he was around at the same time as the colonisers but you won' t hear him being talked about as a rapist and murderer. 

List of Atrocities Committed by Shaka Zulu

1. Forced Conquests: Expanded the Zulu kingdom through military campaigns, resulting in the deaths of tens of thousands of people.
2. Mfecane (The Crushing): Initiated widespread chaos and displacement across Southern Africa, leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands through war, starvation, and migration.
3. Brutal Punishments: Used execution, torture, and brutal punishments to enforce loyalty among his subjects and soldiers.
4. Massacres: Orchestrated mass killings of rival clans and tribes, often slaughtering entire communities.
5. Cattle Seizures: Confiscated cattle from conquered peoples, leaving them impoverished and starving.
6. Reign of Terror after Mother's Death: Ordered widespread executions and a year-long prohibition on planting crops, resulting in famine, to mourn his mother, Nandi."

Now tell me, have you ever heard of any land or country that any black group ever gave back after winning it through conquest?

I haven't. 

Whites won the conquest game, by a mile. A game everyone was playing. And whites have given back far more conquered land than anybody else, while actually having the power to simply destroy the locals and keep the land if they wished. 

And just to finish on Denise. The racially holy Denise. 

She cares ever so much about apartheid after whites handed the country back to blacks...who have by the way been destroying it for 30 years, but we never hear about how the massive atrocities happening in Africa TODAY. 

"Global Slavery Index (2021): Estimates around 7 million people in modern slavery across Africa, including forced labor, human trafficking, and forced marriage. This is based on a broad definition of modern slavery."

Now, will Denise condemn blacks in the same way that she has condemned whites? As far as I can tell, whites don't own slaves today but Africa is replete with blacks that own black slaves.

In my view, whites made the same mistakes that ALL people did, but whites were the first to rectify their mistakes by giving back more land than anyone else, ending the Atlantic slave trade and not actually owning any slaves for a very long time now. 

Meanwhile, all the stuff Denise seems to be accusing whites of, is actually happening in AFRICA as we speak...but not a peep out of her. 

So she doesn't care about non-white suffering. She only cares about blaming whites.

A pathetic and damaged person.

Finish now......?......good. I thought we'd moved on after I'd said "I'm Done" but now that the cavalry has arrived you've got the wind up your snatch Huh? 

Coward.

You don't bother me, I know your type and I've stepped over your kind and created a life for myself.

So what I've previously said about you sticks.......and here's to u as well

"You don't bother me, I know your type and I've stepped over your kind and created a life for myself."

Yeah, best you don't actually engage, Denise...

You know there's another big old serving of embarrassment waiting for you.

"He said that the boycotts had ruined the country's economy hence the reason the Nats handed it over."

The boycots and mostly the oil embargo played a huge part, but the economy was in a better state back then than it is today...I don’t know what motivated De Klerk to do what he did, but I know the people in general were tired of the way things were...the vote in 92 was a massive mandate to end it.

"but the economy was in a better state back then than it is today"

The entire country was ......not just the economy 

SAA

Transnet

Eskom.

And just way too many others to mention

A British dad says that when his 13 year old daughter was raped by Pakistani migrants the police told him to let it go and threatened to arrest him for racism

Father's Plight

One of the first actions the Police took was to force a contraceptive pill into her mouth, yeah, these girls were protected 

Pill

And so the police intervention continues

Tonight a police station contacted a victim of child sexual abuse to tell her to stop talking about the rape gangs that plague our country

Samantha

The main reason Starmer doesn’t want a national inquiry into grooming gangs and exactly why any current report about this out there right now is complete and utter bullshit.

This is just one of many .... many... testimonials 

Bullshit Baffles

You keep believing in your own little ideal world Stav

I don't believe every whitey is a racist and even during the Apartheid era there were a few who were outspoken critics of the system.  Being white does not mean you're a racist and to believe that every white is a racist makes you a racist.

The conundrum of group association, another favourite for liberals.

On what ground did those white people  opposed a racist system? Certainly not on the base of being white. They opposed on other ground.

It is an absence of argument that makes a mere coincidence an essential point for decision.

People who happened to be elegible to consider as white people opposed the system. They did not oppose as white people.

Liberals are so used to bathing into contradictions they probably no longer perceived them.

Many other funny things like liberals claiming they do not believe in races and when asked, declare thesmelves white people. Or liberals claiming that christianity had a hand in ending slavery as people involving in ending slavery were christian.

n my view, whites made the same mistakes that ALL people did, but whites were the first to rectify their mistakes by giving back more land than anyone else, ending the Atlantic slave trade and not actually owning any slaves for a very long time now.

Rectifying mistakes? When? Painting themselves as having rectified mistakes for sure as they can not handle the burden of their actions. Other than that, they are fleeing responsibility and accountability for anything they deem bad. Crafting tales in the doing.

Rectifying mistakes? When? Painting themselves as having rectified mistakes for sure as they can not handle the burden of their actions. Other than that, they are fleeing responsibility and accountability for anything they deem bad. Crafting tales in the doing.

Well said Trad, couldn't have said it better myself.

"Painting themselves as having rectified mistakes for sure as they can not handle the burden of their actions"

"Other than that, they are fleeing responsibility and accountability for anything they deem bad"

What burden ...... I feel nothing close to it.

Also.... I am fleeing absolutely sweet fuck all ....nothing whatsoever... not a iota.

The only satisfaction that you would ever want and need is for my great - great - great - great grandchildren to walk around ....every single day..... feeling extremely guilty and remorseful for being White.

Just like me, they have absolutely nothing at all to be ashamed of.

A few days ago old Denise was telling Trad to crawl back into obscurity.

Today Trad jumps on the white guilt bandwagon and Denise can't wait to say how right Trad is.

...but you'll note that there is zero batting of a single eyelid at the mention of 7,000,000 slaves in Africa today.

Your morals are thin, Denise. Transparent even.

DDS 

Gosh the Bore is droning me again Bwhahahaha

We see you, Denise...

Or rather, we see through you...

What burden ...... I feel nothing close to it.

Liberals... They behave in a blatant way and yet keep asking not to take into account that behaviour. If indeed white people felt no burden about their past and current actions, all the media would depict them as they behaved and not in a version that concealed the whole of it.

Liberals can not take a look in the mirror. They are in high demand for distoried images of themselves.

No, I just missed the entire part where Piers Morgan was charged, found guilty and convicted for hacking people's phones....

So much for you always demading that we deal with the actual facts .... just spouting more bullshit statements again.

Piers has on many occassions very publicly asked people who posted something on social media to retract their statement about him being found guilty of hacking phones, otherwise he would sue them.... and every single one of them did.......that is not the actions of a man who was proven to be guilty of a crime.

A Judge rule that Morgan knew about it. Why wasn't he given a conviction and sentenced?, well perhaps it might be to do with the fact that the lawsuit was directed at the Mirror Group Newspaper (who offered no evidence to contradict the multiple testimonies that elaborated on how widespread the issue was)  and not at Morgan directly and the fact that Mirror Group Newspaper settled and agreed to pay damages.

I don't care if Morgan has denied it, a Judge made a ruling on the matter. How can he sue someone who points out what a Judge ruled. Laughable stuff.

You are just absolutely stupid and naive

Go and look at how Piers Morgan has tackled Islamaphobia in the UK, both on TV, in the media and and on social platforms like X ...... he has been doing this for years, literally hundreds of times... non-stop.......and if you did actually look into it, which you won't, because it proves you to be horribly wrong.... it would also make you look like the totally ignorant moron that you are.

I don't like some of things that Piers agrees with, but to accuse him of deliberately inflaming the UK population to sow fear and suspicion on the Muslim people is just downright dishonest and lies...period.... it's actually disgusting tactics, but no surprises coming from you.

Literally hundreds of times, lol seriously. I suppose you watched everyone of them right? As I said Morgan's a shock jock and an outrage merchant eho does on occasion criticize right wing talking points and pundits, but anyone who's familiar with him knows where his political leanings are at.

And yes that tweet he made is a deliberate attempt to inflame the population.

And exactly what is your point here.....that time and money makes it accurate.

You guys were always harping on about the Mueller report and Trump being guilty and that it doesn't make Trump innocent ... and that cost $42 million and that was done over 22 months .....

That that much time and money would indicate its likely a pretty comprehensive report.

Where did I say Trump was guilty, I said I have suspicions about Trump regarding Russian interference  but acknowledged they were not able to prove it in the report. I have no issue with the fact that as a result Trump of the report faced no legal consequences  and was able to continue his political career, nor am I calling for a second report into the matter.

No, you are the one who constantly uses the running for the Hills analogy when trying to ridicule a particular issue or topic with someone .... you have done it a few times already.... it's extremely childish.

Well I ridicule extreme positions based on hysteria. Just look at your first response to my first post, straight away in with personal attacks and this indignant outrage.

If there is any clear evidence on this very thread about who does not give a shit about child abuse, sexual assault, and grooming, and makes light of it.....it's you.

I want the recommendation of the report to be implemented in full ASAP. Not waste time with another report. You are only interested in the topic because you want to use it justify your hatred of Muslims.

Yes, by all means, do that.... as a journalist I would fully expect him to debate both sides, no matter what the topic or issue is.

But since you made this suggestion / challenge, clearly to again try and portray Piers Morgan in a bad light regarding Muslims..... let's also compare how many times Piers Morgan has defended the negatives and positives to anything related to Muslims, Islamaphobia.

LOL as if your interested in a debate. Again look at your first response to me, you had already blown your gasket for me daring too bring up an official government report that contradicts your view point. Instead straight in with personal attacks and a dismissal of the report without having read it or any evidence.

So, here are just some articles or tweets from Piers Morgan on Muslims....

There are literally, without exaggeration, hundreds more of these references that I could post here where Piers Morgan has personally and specifically spoken positively about or defended Muslims and Islam.

These are the posts and statements from a guy that Stav openly accuses of deliberately creating and posting and spreading inflamatory news or information about Muslim people, purely to sow fear and suspicion of Muslim people..... 

You cannot make this shit up..... and the level of dishonesty doesn't get much worse than this, just to try and scores some points in a random online debate..... very sad indeed.

Piers congratulating first Muslim cricket captain

Piers congratulating first Musl im actor on winning an oscar

Piers referring to 1st Muslim All Black

Piers vs Trump on Muslims

Piers on Christchurch and Muslims

Piers showing how Muslims are treated worse

Piers attacking Musk for Muslim comments

Piers on Muslim discussing far right cop

Piers defending devout Muslim

Piers defending Muslims

Piers defending all Muslims after Southport attack

Piers stance on Muslims and Islam

Piers defending Islam

Sure ... of course there are some other articles where he has tackled issues involving Muslims and has spoken out against them....as he bloody well should..... being a journalist, because it works both ways, and of the very few that I have read, I fully agree with him as well.... but the absolute clear majority of all of his personal posts, statements or media articles are where he is seen to be speaking extremely positively and highly of Muslim people, whilst staunchly defending them against everyone, including the then President of the United States, Donald Trump.

You just don't get more dishonest than this unfortunately Stav  

"I don't care if Morgan has denied it, a Judge made a ruling on the matter. How can he sue someone who points out what a Judge ruled. Laughable stuff.

Just like you believe Trump is guilty without any physical evidence.... it's how you roll.

"Literally hundreds of times, lol seriously. I suppose you watched everyone of them right?"

Unlike you, I do my research and don't make assumptions all the time, every day........

"That that much time and money would indicate its likely a pretty comprehensive report"

LMAO... so was the cold fusion report from 1989

Even the MMR Vaccine and Autism Study in 1998

Or how about the Stanford prison experiment in 1971

Or maybe the Iraq report with the weapons of mass destruction in 2003, which resulted in trillions spent during the war...

Do you remember Y2K.... or the Millennium Bug from the 90's, where we all panicked that everything would freeze or stop working when we hit the year 2 000...... well over $100 billion was spent to avoid it happening, when they didn't need to...

All expensiv e and comprehensive research and reports..... all wrong.

"Well I ridicule extreme positions based on hysteria. Just look at your first response to my first post, straight away in with personal attacks and this indignant outrage"

I understand.... I do tend to do this at times, but only with dishonest or deceitful people..... I will try and restrain myself in future.

"I want the recommendation of the report to be implemented in full ASAP. Not waste time with another report. You are only interested in the topic because you want to use it justify your hatred of Muslims"

Nope, I just want every single policeman, judge, lawyer, social services personnel and perpetrators who managed to slip through all these massive cracks....to get locked up for a very long time, for hiding the truth and supressing information which resulted in all of them still walking the streets.... 

Very simple indeed.... you just don't see that or get that... to you this is all about race ... as I said a few times now.... one directional... blinkers.....no thought process.

Hmmm . . . I'm starting to think DumbAss wants to be groomed by Piers Morgan . . .

"Think about the insanity of your position, you harp on about muslim child sex abuses but you think a muslim man facing charges of child sex abuse charges has some good political positions"

I certainly do

Explain to me exactly what is wrong with mentioning that Andrew Tate has put together some interesting policies for the UK, which would benefit the entire UK population in a massive way.

I said this in the very same post where I also specifically said in that same post that I don't like Andrew Tate, and I also recently said that I despise the guy as well, I always have.....and I even specifically mentioned that I didn't even want Andrew himself implementing these policies, such is my dislike of him.

You see Stav..... that is the huge difference between you and me..... you just cannot differentiate your emotions or feelings towards someone, and actually take a step back and make a rational and reasonable decision.....

This statement of yours about me above is a clear cut example of that, and it is also why you lie.

So, in your inffinite wisdom from what you stated about me above....... Andrew Tate has some extremely interesting policies, that he would implement if he were the PM, and these policies would hugely benefit every single citizen of the UK in a massive way...... but I cannot like, support or even mention any of these policies in any way, because these policies belong to Andrew Tate, who I despise...

Got it

Yeah, that is how you operate..... stupid ..... just incredibly and unbelievably stupid.

So Quisling I’m still waiting, what were the people on this Board supposed to do as individuals…get born first I guess in many cases…to stop Apartheid.

Tell us man and tell us why you left leaving others to do it, whatever it is.

Raid the capitol and seize back the power that was taken away from them... OOOpppsssie, wrong country...

Interview with Andrew Norfolk the journalist who broke the Grooming Scandal back in 2011. 

Powerful stuff.

I was thinking of Wednesday as "White Guilt" day.

Apparently we are supposed to take accountability for our crimes against humanity.

Who is with me?

It'll be fun, we can rub ash on ourselves and kneel before a statue of Bill Cosby while wearing traditional Zulu garb.

...and then Denise can choose which of us has shown the most remorse and declare that person an "ally" for a week.

I prefer White Lives Don’t Matter day.

I guess it's a tad too difficult for Denise to comment on BLM or modern day slavery in Africa.

Her victim mentality can't handle atmospheres that challenge it.

Once the victim in her dissolves, she fears there'll be nothing left.

"Interview with Andrew Norfolk the journalist who broke the Grooming Scandal back in 2011"

Nice video, which supports my opinion that these young girls were not looked after at all, not supported at all, and completely left on their own to fight their own battles, even in court.

How the hell they ma de that one young girl take the stand for 12 days ..... As Andrew said....."The system was staggering unfit to look after these girls" ...."she was getting shredded by one defense barrister after another"

Andrew also refers to the several Pakastani men not getting arrested by the police for having two half naked 12 year old girls in their house, drunk..in the early hours of the morning..... who were reported by the Pakastani's neighbours for screaming.......how is that even a "lack of understanding" ....that is just negligience in performing your duties.

Glad to hear later that they eventually determined that it was a cover-up .... and the police were involved, but that's my question... how many more were invloved that were never identified as cover-ups.

I am not saying Starmer deliberately covered anything up, but I am categorically saying that a lot of information, evidence and testimony was deliberately overlooked, suppressed, or completely ignored, by far too many people in various different positions within these communities, whether it be from the police, social workers, lawyers, or community leaders....which I believe has led to so many perpetrators or other guilty parties that were complicit in this ..... still walking the streets.

I also see nothing wrong with implementing all the necessary recommendations from earlier reports, but only whilst another fully independent and transparent investigation is carried out.

If there is one way to make this issue go away, you need to appease the people .....give the UK citizens what they want, because the longer you deny their requests for a fully comprehensively detailed report on this very specific issue.... the more you are sending the wrong message to your citizens that you could be perceived to be actively trying to hide something from them or covering something up.

Here is an article that came out this morning, from Sue Reid regarding the grooming gangs.

For space reasons, I wish I could just have just posted the link, but it is behind a paywall, so I will have to post the article itself unfortunately.

Sue was the first writer to expose these grooming gangs back in 1997, and even includes the multiple headlines that she wrote back then in this article, which I won't post those here because I think the images will destroy the margins... Sue is agreeing with the British public that a completely new investigation into what happened needs to be done, and when you read this column of hers, one can understand why.

SUE REID: I was the first writer to expose the grooming gangs - and had 'Racist Scum' daubed outside my house. Only a national inquiry will expose the extent of the cover-up I witnessed

Published: 01:54 GMT, 10 January 2025 | Updated: 03:19 GMT, 10 January 2025

I vividly remember the moment I was first told of a grooming gang's rape of a young white girl in a northern town.

A crude message flicked up on my Nokia mobile phone with a number to call. 'I have a something bad to tell U,' it said. 'My daughter has been stolen and f***ed.'

I rang back the caller who had sent me what was a desperate cry for help.

It was 1997, and she was a mother from Lancashire whose innocent 12-year-old girl had been lured into the clutches of the gang, believing – naively – they were glamorous would-be boyfriends.

After turning up in a big flashy car, they had chatted her up at the school gates one afternoon during her first term at secondary with the words: 'Fancy a lift home, love? We can go for pizza.'

In the months that followed, the men took turns to savagely rape her in locations ranging from car parks and sheds to the back rooms of kebab shops, until, as the mother told me: 'There wasn't much left of her.'

A loyal Labour voter, she first turned for help to her Lancashire town's councillors. When she got no joy there, she tried her local MP, then the police and finally social workers. But no one would listen.

Even the children's charity on the nearby High Street ignored this woman's pleas for help to rescue her daughter from the gang of predominantly Muslim men of Pakistani heritage. In desperation, she sought help from the local branch of the fascist British National Party.

It was a terrible story. But to my lasting regret, the mother's links to the BNP silenced me. I did not drive the three hours from my home to meet her face-to-face to check whether what she was saying was true.

I now know that other national newspaper journalists back in the early years of Tony Blair's premiership – when I got the mother's phone message – were hearing similar horror stories about the gang-rapes of girls in the North and Midlands.

Parents were given journalists' numbers by the media-savvy BNP – to whom more and more desperate and ignored families turned. But I, like my colleagues, was terrified that writing up the mothers' stories would give the oxygen of publicity to a neo-Nazi political party with an inflammatory racist agenda.

It was only 13 years later – in 2010 – that I became the first British newspaper journalist to write about the child-abuse scandal, which we now know had been covered up for decades by a liberal-Left officialdom worshipping at the altar of a false god: multiculturalism.

That year, in August, my first story ran in the Mail under the headline: 'Predatory gangs, middle-class girls forced into the sex trade and a very troubling taboo.' A second, in November, declared: 'Asian gangs, schoolgirls, and a sinister taboo: the disturbing crime few dare talk about.'

The backlash to these carefully written articles was ferocious. I was smeared in anonymised emails and letters as a liar and a racist. Meanwhile, savage monsters, apparently with impunity, continued to take away the innocence of hundreds of thousands of girls, predominantly white and some as young as eight.

At last, this shameful episode in British history is receiving the national, and international, attention it deserves. And that is thanks, in large part, to the world's richest man, Tesla founder Elon Musk – and his unlikely support for Tommy Robinson aka Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, who like that Lancashire mother of a raped child all those years ago is connected with the rabble-rousing BNP.

Robinson, 42, is a Luton-born former supporter of the party. A founder of the far-Right English Defence League, he is an ill-educated, violent ex-druggie, currently serving a prison sentence for contempt of court.

Musk believes he is a political prisoner who should be released.

Deeply reprehensible though Robinson appears, the documentaries he has made over many years and his social media posts revealing the vile gangs' activities have been viewed by millions worldwide.

One of them was Musk, who brought the matter to international attention last week by posting horrendous details from a court transcript (too graphic for a family newspaper to publish) of one particular white schoolgirl's ordeal – and by attacking Keir Starmer for his woeful failure to act over the scandal which goes back decades.

The first to raise the matter of the 'sex grooming' taking place on British streets on an industrial scale, however, were British Sikhs.

Tensions between the Sikh community and British Muslims escalated in the 1970s and, in 1988, a Birmingham local TV station produced a report on 'child rape for profit'.

In it, Sikh leaders alleged that 'Muslim youth are coming around our schools abducting and raping girls'. One added: 'We don't want this. We know what happens to the girls after – they are sold into prostitution.'

The Sikhs, with a reputation for being fierce warriors, scared the gangs off. But the plight of their daughters was a terrible, unheeded, warning.

This week, the Sikh community reposted the 1988 TV report on social media, with the comment: 'The UK authorities later wilfully buried the truth about this cancer, with [Muslim] newcomers making white Caucasian girls their target instead. They have let it metastasize countrywide over three decades.'

Blair's New Labour government, which took power in 1997, had launched an open-door immigration policy. In this new world the authorities were determined to uphold the image of a successful multicultural society at all costs – even if it meant denying justice and protection to the child victims of rape.

Sir Keir Starmer only fanned the flames this week when he claimed those demanding a statutory inquiry (where evidence is given under oath) were 'jumping on the bandwagon of the far Right'.

In one fell swoop, he denounced a wide array of people who have grown ever more disturbed about the mass child rape gang epidemic. Not least among them, family members of what is thought to be upwards of 250,000 girls attacked repeatedly by street gangs in 50 British towns and cities over the past 40 years. 

I first met one such victim of a street gang in August 2010. Emma Jackson (not her real name), then in her early 20s, agreed to speak on condition of strict anonymity after I had tracked her down having heard of her case. Years after escaping the gang, she was still frightened of being attacked by them.

In my Daily Mail report, I changed the name of the area in West Yorkshire where she lived because the family were terrified of retaliation from the gang who had plagued them with threatening phone calls and messages, day and night, in a bid to keep them quiet.

'U R 4 it,' a text would tell the family out of the blue. 'Open your mouth and you will get a bullet in it.'

If Emma's mother Jane answered her mobile, a man would say: 'Put her on the phone, love. Just do it or else.'

In other cases, the gangs have forced girls to stay silent by threatening to tell their families they are prostitutes, or rape their little sisters or kill their parents with knives or firebombs.

Emma's family moved abroad to escape the gang and returned years later, only to find the same men waiting for them in the same town. Men who began sending the same repulsive and threatening messages.

When she was first raped – multiple times – Emma was 13, still playing with dolls and had never kissed a boy. The highlight of her week was Saturday when she would meet friends in the play park at the local Tesco shopping centre while her middle-class parents, Jack and Carol, stocked up on groceries.

Yet by her 14th birthday her innocence was over. She had been sexually abused by 54 men from all over Britain.

'One minute I was playing with dolls, the next I was a sex slave,' she told me in a heartbreaking interview. 'I was wearing my favourite candy-striped ankle socks when I was first raped on wasteland. Afterwards, my white coat was covered in blood and they left me to go home on the bus alone.'

Emma had been lured into the gang by a teenage Pakistani boy her own age. He met her in the play park and introduced her to older relatives, in their 20s and 30s, who told her they wanted to be her friend, too. They then plied her with vodka, cigarettes and cannabis joints.

'I thought I was having a great time. I had no idea the men were part of a gang,' she told me. 'They were more exciting than my school friends. I began to meet the men every day after school before catching the bus home.'

Sadly, Emma's story is typical. I have been told almost exactly the same horror stories by girls in a myriad different towns. One called Jessica was the daughter of a property developer, and was living in Rochdale when she became embroiled with a gang.

Suddenly, at 15, she wanted to be out late all the time, her father told me in 2012. 'If we kept her in she'd climb out of the upstairs window onto a flat roof above the porch, jump down and disappear into the streets.

'I would drive my BMW around trying to find her. It happened more times than I can remember. It was much worse than normal teenage rebellion.'

Their daughter – studying for her GCSEs – had been lured into an underage sex-for-sale ring operating from kebab shops and takeaways in Rochdale, and run by men of Pakistani heritage. At one stage, horrifyingly, she was forced to sleep with five men a day, four or five times a week.

One day, the gang's 59-year-old leader invited her to a kebab shop for a chat. He hurled her onto a mattress on the floor and raped her. During the ordeal in an upstairs room she just stared at a children's clock with the face of an angel on it hanging on the wall. Afterwards, the man told her not to cry.

At a trial which ended just before I met the family, that ringleader and eight other men were jailed for rape, aiding and abetting rape, the trafficking of girls and conspiracy to have sex with a child. One was an Afghan national and the rest were of British Muslim Pakistani heritage.

Part of the cover-up – for that is what it has been – is the apparent reluctance by officialdom to chase down perpetrators. Child protection officers in the town where I spoke to Emma were accused by the police watchdog's chief inspector of deliberately 'undermining' the girls by 'disproving their word'. 

A rape survivor from the same area was this week told by police to delete her social media posts which blame local officers for turning a blind eye.

At one stage only three part-time officers were responsible for finding child rapists who had abused 'hundreds' of children.

Labour politicians this week voted against a new national public inquiry into this most appalling scandal because we had an independent investigation into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA) published two years ago.

Charlie Peters, a reporter on GB News – which has been at the forefront of the latest exposures – begged to differ. He produced data showing that the IICSA probe was selective, not nationally focused, and used six case-study areas where there were no significant reports of Pakistani-Muslim gangs roaming the streets to find girls.

None of the northern towns –such as Rotherham or Rochdale where the abuse first emerged –were chosen for scrutiny.

While online sex grooming and allegations of paedophilia by Roman Catholic clerics were given their own sections in the report, Bristol was the only place with grooming gangs examined in depth (and this involved convicted Somalians).

To my mind the case for an inquiry into grooming is undeniable. In Derby, three teenagers bravely gave evidence at a trial which resulted in nine men being jailed for a string of offences involving 27 girls.

The gang – all but one a Pakistani Muslim – had taken them to rundown flats with mattresses on the floor. They were locked into rooms and turned into sex slaves for strings of men who paid gang leaders a fee to rape them.

Incredibly, the gang members told the Derby court that the girls had agreed to multiple rapes. 'These are girls I did not respect who are just partying and taking drugs and we had consensual sex,' said the leader Abid Saddique.

The men hid their double lives from their wife or wives, who were often unable to speak English having been brought from Pakistan for arranged marriages.

I wrote at the time: 'There is an uncomfortable element to this. In politically correct modern Britain, it is taboo for anyone involved in bringing these cases to court – including the police, social workers and councillors – to talk about the ethnicity of the perpetrators.

I found that children's charities helping the victims recover hid the racial make-up of the gangs. One called Risky Business, which operated in Rotherham, refused to answer any of my questions relating to the background of the perpetrators.

Assimilation is a bad thing. These dudes behave the way liberals have behaved in many places around the world and instead of welcoming liberal brothers and sisters, white people scream racism. Go figure.

Darn white folk, they fck up everything, nè Trad?...how convenient for you? No accountability, just passing the buck...pathetic.

Trad is a non Saffa whitey. Us mean Saffas hurt him a little too much.

LOL 

Trad is a commie...his race is of no relevance...his ideas make him an idiot, not his race...plenty smart people of all races...unfortunately plenty of idiots of all races too.

It also doesn't help when you have immigration lawyers in the UK processing fake asylum claims and briefing clients on exactly how to lie, to beat the system and win their right to stay in Britain.

And so the truth is coming out.......from an article posted this morning from an ex-Labour MP

This is exactly what everyone has been saying and suspecting......

The cover-up was done, to protect votes for the Labour party....

Despicable....

I know the sickening reasons Labour wanted to cover up the rape gang scandals. What I was told when I was Rochdale MP is utterly shocking... and now I'm exposing those politicians: SIMON DANCZUK

Published: 01:53 GMT, 13 January 2025 | Updated: 01:59 GMT, 13 January 2025

Even today, more than a decade after the rape gang scandal first exploded, I still struggle to read the court transcripts from the trials of the perpetrators. The cruelty of the criminals is too depraved, the suffering of their victims too traumatic.

What makes their testimony all the more painful for me is that I was the Labour MP for Rochdale, one of the northern towns where the scale of the abuse had been at its worst.

On the streets of my constituency, vulnerable, white, working-class girls were exploited by groups of men of Pakistani origin whose ruthlessness was matched by their inhumanity.

In my parliamentary role, I had played a significant part in exposing their vicious activities as I sought justice for their victims and demanded much greater urgency from the authorities in breaking the cycle of abuse. But it was a harrowing experience that revealed to me the strength of the Labour Party's willingness to cover up the scandal in order to protect its support among local ethnic minorities.

In effect, innocent young girls were sacrificed on the altar of political expediency. That cynical, opportunistic spirit still lingers on today, as exemplified by the Labour Government's refusal to set up a national inquiry into this grim saga. In the long and lamentable catalogue of child abuse in Britain, this could be the biggest scandal in our history. It is certainly the worst of this century. That is why no stone should be left unturned in the quest to find the truth.

The British public, shocked and bewildered that this could have happened in our once well-ordered, gentle civilisation, rightly wants answers as to why the agencies of the state were paralysed by inaction for so long. But under Sir Keir Starmer's pedestrian leadership, the party has dug itself into a hole by its inexplicable and unjustified rejection of the proposal for a national inquiry.

Indeed Labour's values seem badly warped on this issue. On public platforms and in interviews, Starmer appears far more vexed about attacks on his frontbench – particularly the embattled Safeguarding Minister Jess Phillips, who rejected a request for a national public inquiry into child sexual exploitation – than the physical and psychological scars of the real victims.

But we should not be surprised by such hypocrisy and lack of integrity from Labour. After all, the party has often been a malignant force in this tale. Compassion is meant to be one of the central qualities of the Labour movement, yet when it came to the activities of the rape gangs, the party's representatives – motivated by cowardice, ideology and vote-grabbing – often turned a blind eye.

I became aware of Labour's instinct to conceal when I wrote a biography of Cyril Smith, one of my predecessors as the MP for Rochdale. Beneath his genial image, the Liberal MP was a serial and sadistic abuser of vulnerable boys.

As I discovered in the course of my investigation into his activities, he was also protected by the State and the local political establishment, including some Labour figures, though when I challenged them, they denied it.

The book sold well and was given several awards but its findings were eclipsed by the far darker revelations about the grooming gang scandal. Before I became Rochdale's MP in 2010, I had been a Labour councillor in the nearby town of Blackburn and, through the local government grapevine, I had been dimly aware of talk about gangs operating outside children's homes.

As the Rochdale rape gang story broke in 2012, some local councillors tried to deter me from examining the evidence too closely but I was not prepared to be dissuaded, especially when I met some of the victims' families and learnt about what they had endured. I was also encouraged by signs of more rigorous action from Greater Manchester Police.

Yet even after the first arrests of gang members, other Labour politicians and municipal bureaucrats seemed more worried about self-protection than achieving justice.

I will never forget a briefing I received from one of the directors at Rochdale Town Hall in 2012 during the trial of nine gang members. When I asked the director what further steps the council would take to crack down on the exploitation of working-class girls by these predatory groups, the director said to me: 'This is a new phenomenon and we haven't had guidance yet from the Home Office.'

I could not conceal my amazement at this complacent and morally stunted attitude. 'You don't need guidance from the Government to know that any type of child abuse is wrong,' I said. But that briefing was typical of the unco-operative, at times hostile, outlook I encountered whenever I raised the subject in Parliament or with the Press.

At one point Jim Dobbin, the veteran MP for the neighbouring seat of Heywood and Middleton, took me to one side and told me not to make any link between the abuse of girls and the local Asian Muslim community because that would undermine Labour's election prospects.

In essence, Jim was a decent man but such a comment showed how his anxiety to retain the local Muslim vote had eroded his moral judgment.

A more aggressive stance was taken by Tony Lloyd, who represented a Manchester seat and was chairman of the Parliamentary Labour Party.

He made strong objections whenever I highlighted the predatory conduct of the British Asian rapists. 'Keep religion and race out of it. You'll lose us votes,' he said, a disgraceful comment which showed that the rights of the victims mattered less to him than the votes of local Muslims.

Later, when Tony became Police Commissioner for Greater Manchester, I attacked him in print over his dismal performance on grooming gangs. He rang me and said that if I ever repeated such comments, he would 'bounce me all the way from Rochdale to Westminster'.

While an obsession with retaining Muslim votes has obviously been the key factor in Labour's shameful approach to the rape gangs, there are two other contributory factors.

One is the Left-wing orthodoxy which paints ethnic minorities as eternal victims and white people as permanent oppressors. This is the theme at the core of so much progressive thinking about race. It can also be seen in the ugly attempts by Labour to paint concerns about grooming gangs or calls for a public inquiry as the product of agitation by the 'far Right'.

But this is a recipe for division and a denial of reality. In the rape gang scandal, the worst racism came from the perpetrators, who treated their targets like dirt because of the colour of their skin. One victim recalled that her attacker told her that he raped her 'because she was sinful and a non-believer. He said that he would not have done it if I had been a Muslim'.

The other factor is the sheer snobbery towards the victims. Labour was created as the mouthpiece of the working-class but in its modern incarnation – particularly in the affluent, intellectual circles of the metropolitan middle-class – it is impossible to escape the whiff of disdain towards the lowest income groups in the white population.

These are, in the words of one commentator with impeccable Left-wing credentials, 'the always complaining and wretched classes' kept in their beer-swilling indolence by 'taxpaying migrants'.

There was something of that outlook on the campaign trail in Rochdale in 2010, when Gordon Brown – thinking he was speaking in private – described local voter Gillian Duffy as 'a bigoted woman' after she had challenged him about soaring levels of immigration.

As the sickening cover-up of the rape gang scandal shows, the real bigotry can often come from Labour.

I’ve read an awful lot about these despicable human beings over the years and signed dozens of petitions calling for a proper and full inquiry into the actions of both the gangs and those who have covered up their crimes. 

I’m glad they are finally gaining the recognition they deserve. 

Yes there have been multiple groups of people who have abused youngsters in this country and they all deserve the same treatment. 

However, these gangs all used the same MO and only groomed these girls because they were white and working class. Racism rearing its ugly head……but surely that can’t be right as the victims are white and we know it’s impossible to be racist towards a white person !! 

Politicians, Police Forces, Mayors etc all need to be looked at and held to account for their role in this. 

It’s a national scandal with hundreds, even thousands, of lives destroyed because of it. 

They’re still grooming girls and it needs to be stopped.

Those who have been arrested and found guilty have not served long sentences and not been deported on release when the courts ruled they should be, which is reprehensible. 

The Govt needs to act but I wouldn’t hold your breath. Oh and I certainly think the hypocrisy of those in the last few Govts only now calling for action is disgraceful. The Conservatives had 14 years to act and they did nothing. They are also culpable in the coverup. 

I could not agree with you more Becs.

There are just way too many people coming forward now, with more evidence and testimony on just how wide spread this was covered-up and how high it went in the government and emergency services.

It's very hard for me to understand how some people cannot see just how serious this is and how much of a cover-up occurred across a huge portion of Britain, and just how ineffective all other previous reports were that were carried out.

There are some extremely naive people in this world

Much like South Africa,....there is also a lot that needs fixing in Britain.... and clamping down on asylum applications and immigration lawyers should be one of them.

As I said earlier, despite what some people like Stav believe of me ... I just want every single person who hid, suppressed or deliberately ignored anything that happened regarding this ongoing issue with these thousands of girls.... to be locked up, which is why I fully support another detailed investigation.