I hate South Africa

Ja, the lie is that South Africans only have two options which is false. You either have to choose what we have now or choose apartheid. But there is in alternative.

The only way forward is to create independent states that set up their own laws and who can vote in those states. Same as any other country, you vote in the region you were born or where you lived the majority of your life.

Create a basic framework to co-operate between states and to help with national government on infrastructure and defense etc, but let each state manage themselves.

I know this sounds like the home land bs we had, but to be honest, right now I will gladly vote for a free homeland that doesn't discriminate against anyone and that favours the people born and live in the region. That can set their own rules etc. you can't just come and square and demand financial support

BB

S ouds like you would support an Independent Western Cape the ANC will neve allow, But then the ANC is losing support rapidly and all voters are losing paience with them like happened in African Countries losing patience what happened in all countries getting independent in former UK colones,

One of the main problems in SA renains tribalism - with the Zulu's, Xhosas and Pedi's being the main tribes/ Under Mandela and Mbeki the Xhosas were controlling the ANC - Under Zuma the Zulu's amd Pedi's uited t fiht the hosa control - while under Ramaphosa managed to get support rom the Xhosas,

There is a log history of hatred between the tribal grous in SA and the only real national factor at present is a united hatred of all illegal migrants in the country and b elements in the communit of Whites, Coloreds and Idnias,

A country can never suceed if it is based on hatred like the situation in SA is at present, , , .

Spot on Mike. They are different nations that was forced under apartheid to join forces. Remember how strong the IFP was or the PAC. The ANC is very smart and has powerful Russian and Chinese allies.

I hope the DA leaves the GNU and forces either a reelection or for Cyril to pack his bags. He is only there because he was able to make a deal with the DA. Their are many factions within the ANC. Zuma took the Zulus aka MK party and Malema the radical youth league who born our of violence and defiance which Wini Mandela created.

They are all from the same rotting tree or more parasitic vine suffocating South Africa.

Anyone who vote for these parties vote for the doom of SA.

But come to think about it, there is a Zulu land or Swazi land that has the king of the Zulus. There is even a Xhosa King. Then you have the Sotho, Ndenbeni, Nguni to name a few. Remember the royal bofekeng tribe that was the richest tribe due platinum land rights. I believe these states should be created that promote their culture identity and not melt into one and end up where we are now. Preserve their culture.

You are right, Africa is to tribal and can't rid themselves from this

@Saf why are you looking up single widows again?

Guys, do you honestly believe that good leadership can fix South Africa?

It's like you've moved from one delusion of the rainbow nation, to the next delusion that SA's problem is leadership.

Do yourselves a favour. Search IQ rankings by country on Google.

Anything below 90IQ is mostly a shithole country. The leadership is mostly inconsequential. If it was about leadership, and not IQ, then you would find 1st world countries with low IQs because finding good leaders isn't actually that difficult.

So, unless you believe that no country with an average IQ below 90 has ever had good leadership for an extended period, you simply have to accept that SAs major problem is the abject stupidity of its population. Many low IQ countries have had exceptional leaders but they never climbed out of the hole.

Now look at the Eastern European countries. They lived under the worst regime ever for a very long time, and once they became independent it didn't take them very long to climb out of the hole. Those countries are mostly safe and building strong economies. Do you think that would have been possible had their IQs been 69? Of course it wouldn't. Stop kidding yourself.

So, just accept that South Africa will continue trending down, until the living standard matches the IQ. And that living standard is poverty, dirt roads, failed infrastructure, crime, disease, corruption and most likely dictatorship.

It's because you are expecting something unrealistic that you keep being disappointed.

Here is a list of counties with IQs comparable to SA's;

1. Equatorial Guinea
2. Sierra Leone
3. Mozambique
4. Liberia
5. The Gambia
6. Guinea
7. Mali
8. Burkina Faso
9. Niger
10. Chad
11. Central African Republic

TLDR: Adjust your expectations.

Well Plum, the ANC won't be lifted out of power, and as they've just shown with the RNE, they'll deliberately sabotage any possibility of cooperation to the greater good with other parties. So that's just a dream anyway. I see people who have to beg for water from the municipality every day defending the ANC. As you say, too stupid.

But yes, I believe there's enough skill and good people in SA to fix a lot of ills if the opportunity comes along. It's not going to be perfect, but it can be a lot better. BUT, those efforts can of course be derailed by sabotage and whatnot and syndicates and mafias are so deeply entrenched in everything now that we're probably on a hiding to nothing.

I taught a class today.

10 adults.

i asked them at what temperature water boils.

Nobody could answer me. The one answer I got was...20 degrees.

I then asked what the temperature might be on an average summer day in SA...the same person answered me...25 degrees.

One really has to lower your expectations and simply understand that the vast majority of the country are actually incapable of contributing to its success.

There are places I'll remember

All my life, though some have changed.

Some forever, not for better;

Some have gone and some remain.

……

In life we tend to not appreciate things we have, take them for granted. I clung to CT even though my real base was in the States. I finally pulled up stakes in 2009. The blackouts, but more significantly several people in the immediate neighborhood experienced the threat of violent crime.

Watching whales from a chair in my lounge and driving 30 minutes for a lunch in a 300 year old vineyard were unique….irreplaceable.

The same thing in a way has happened in Chicago. People rarely venture down any more. It’s a beautiful city with skyscrapers right on the edge of Lake Michigan. Walking around at night in the theatre district was never a concern….the restaurants were amazing. All now threatened by the gangs.

We live in this 21st century world with wonderful things, together with people who haven’t evolved in 2000 years. And that goes all the way through to the Politicians, Putin and Xi still have dreams that would be close to those of Genghis Khan….domination of the surrounding tribes.

‘Black the night of ages past.’

Beauty, knowledge, material advancement and still violence. It’s a puzzling journey but the boys fighting in the Ukraine are at the tip of the spear. At least most of us have been spared that.

Unfortunately for the inhabitants of what remains of RSA it is impossible to correct for the one simple reason:

YOU CANNOT FIX Afrikaner or AFRICAN STUPIDITY.

Not all fit this statement but unfortunately most do.

Sorry to say but if you folks who are stuck in the country my heart goes out not to you, but your children.

I as a young man back in 1963 understood that RSA was on a course of self destruction with Nationalist government policies that allowed the staunch Afrikaans population to dominate each and every avenue of life for all the people of the country.

As a family we decided way back then to settle overseas eventually and after many trips overseas exploring our opportunities and a future for our family we eventually settle in Vancouver, British Columbia Canada.

Yes it is very difficult to make the move when you have to leave family behind but we promise to assist any family that wished to follow in our footsteps that we would assist them as much as possible.

We managed to assist both my wife's sisters and their family plus my in-laws to make the move and resettle in Canada.

Sure we have nostalgic memories of our friends, relatives and experiences who remained in RSA but my duty was to secure my immediate families safety, security and freedom that we have found in our new country.

Many friends who turned on us for leaving have over the years contacted us to assist them in making the same journey which we did without question.

As our Nigerian Doctor says and I quote: AFRICA IS A DOOMED CONTINENT.

LIGHTS OUT.

Amen.

Are those words in the beginning of your post from a Beatles song Moz?

So Plum you basically saying that we are fucked in SA because everyone is Dumbfucks ?? Like Dave would say :)

In my opinion that is not true….I agree with Pakie that there is enough intelligent leaders that can make a massive difference…

That is why I say it Starts with us and how we treat, interact with our Black citizens.

They do not trust us because in apartheid they were treated worse than Dogs!

How do you expect them to trust us when Apartheid is still very prevalent??

Also the grass is not always greener on the other side. I lived in Germany for 7 years….enduring the freezing cold, very high living costs and tremendous control from the Government.

Very clearly seen with this Fucked up Covid nonsense how all these first world countries went ballistic on the people….

Stop picking on South Africa, a lot of you sound like White elites….

Then back at the Ranch there is a lot of shit going on in first world countries to….

you name it war, corruption, Child Labor, filthy Woke nonsense, Fanatical Muslims taking over the UK, Ireland and Germany, Elites making poorer people even poorer and most of all the levels of Control on people is out of Control….

To all those ex-pats who now hate South Africa, you're entitled to your opinion but do us all a favour, don't come visit here if you hate it so much and go find a non-South African message board to vent your anger.

Seeing chicken-runners preaching their ignorant views about the conditions in South Africa from thousands of miles away is a little bit annoying. Most of you are trashing this beautiful country simply to try and justify why you left it.

We're doing just fine thank you very much. Great weather, great people and great potential. Sure, the ANC has screwed things up but they've been steadily losing power for some years now - as evidenced by the current government of national unity - and they will continue to lose support while they do nothing but enrich themselves.

Seeing the ANC getting thumped by record margins in recent ward elections gives me a lot of hope that they won't be any part of the next government and I'll be the first to say good riddance to bad rubbish . . . but in the meantime, stop trashing the country that you abandoned that gave you so much and worry more about the issues where you currently live . . . because wherever you are, you also have issues, don't kid yourselves otherwise.

I love South Africa. Always will.

Yep M…the John Lennon song. Still haunting.

Agree Rooi.

We don't visit the country.

We feel sorry for all the people irrespective of color who suffered through each and every day under the Nats/ANC but during life you have to take a stand and think of your family's safety and future rather than digging your own grave be it under the ANC or the Nats.

Fortunately for us we made a move early in life to secure a future for our family and some friends but we don't hold it against the friends who left it late in life and have been refused or rejected by countries that they applied to for immigration and now remain in RSA.

Believe me it was a very difficult call to make as in my case my roots in the country have been traced back to the early Cape settlers (and the first person to receive land rights in the Cape was Johannes Cloete) according to records.

Hopefully trust that all will work out for the best for all folks in the country.

The government has just given itself the right to expropriate property(not just land) without compensation.

And the requirement is simply that such expropriation must be in the public interest.

So if you have two of something and somebody else has zero of that thing, based on their idea of "equity", that permeates everything they do, it would be in the public interest to take one from you and give it to the somebody else.

Yes, the socialists read the above and wonder what is so bad about it. Like there is isn't a mountain of evidence to show that it leads to poverty and destruction.

Well, the NHI is "in the public interest" and pensions are property. Of course there'll be a touch of botched window dressing as the ANC completely screw up revamping a couple of buildings in JHB CBD for "akomodeyshin for owa peepol"...but you have to be retarded if you believe that to be the real goal of this this scam.

Do you guys know how the expropriation bill actually came to be?

The various political parties met in Pretoria to discuss it and to table ways that expropriation could work. The two options were expropriation with compensation and no expropriation. 5 minutes before the end of the meeting, a no-name politician from an obscure party raised his hand and suggested expropriation with zero compensation. There was no time left to discuss that option...so it went through to Cyril as a third option. And that's the one he chose.

It was all a setup. It was carried out in that way specifically so that there could be no discussion about it.

Devious means to a nefarious end.

Rooi, Cuba has fantastic weather a great people too.

"Rooi, Cuba has fantastic weather a great people too"

Knock yourself out, ButtPlug. Move to Havana. You won't be missed.

MP, I'm not saying that SA won't succeed because it's too dumb. Every bit of statistical, scientific and historical data is saying so.

All I'm saying is that I trust the evidence because there is nothing pointing in the other direction.

"Move to Havana"

Were I as big a fan of Marx as you are, then I might.

Buttplug responding to DumbAss . . . who hasn't even appeared on this thread. Drunk or gerook again . . .

Neither.

Watching the Lions actually.

Drinksbreak criticizing the motivations of others….some might say he lacked either the guts or the skills to compete overseas. Likely both,

Oh do shut your stupid little trap Moffie. I never had drinks breaks when I played school or club cricket. You clearly never even played a minute of the game and wouldn't know which end of the bat to hold.

As for running away, no, I never did . . . and I reckon my standard of living is way better than any of you chicken-runners living thousands of miles away from your country of birth and your extended families with grey, cold weather among people you can't identify with.

Me, I live in a city with arguably the best weather in the world and I'm spending at least 6 weeks of every year in beautiful places like the Kruger Park, Hermanus or Franschoek with my children and my grandchildren.

"We're doing just fine thank you very much. Great weather, great people and great potential. Sure, the ANC has screwed things up but they've been steadily losing power for some years now - as evidenced by the current government of national unity - and they will continue to lose support while they do nothing but enrich themselves."

Fools paradise is a real place...we're not doing fine Rooi...not even close...the powerer the ANC gave up went to MK and the EFF...we're on the brink of total collapse...we're going down fast...

Yes it was always easier to stay, your children and grandchildren will pay the price for that cowardice. But have another boerewors.

We believed the lie, some still do...Rooi is nog in soos gin...pens en pooitjies!

"we're not doing fine Rooi."

Speak for yourself, Squeaky Toy, don't speak for me.

I have everything I could want. My children all have great jobs and fantastic prospects, they're all married to great partners and have wonderful kids of their own and we remain a very close family unit. Can't think my life could possibly be better anywhere else.

Paddatjies in die ketel...I want more for my kids...a future without this BS...I had enough...

Then shove off, Squeaky Toy. Why are you still here?

Drinksbreak lashes out again…people who are having wonderful lives don’t use 90% of their posts to attack others.

On this string he has posted 6 times and attacked a fellow poster 6 times.

I love SA always will, it’s home. The people make it what it is - warm, friendly and compassionate. It helps being a physically beautiful place as well.

I just hate what SA is being reduced to. That saddens me

vbnm

Belt Up

John Steenhuisen, Enoch Godongwana

While this Government will be in charge - the country will always be mismanaged, They use a system where lies reign supreme, I was informed that since the official inflation rate is 3,2% my pension increase will be 2.9% this year,

That is where fact destroy fiction. Going to the shops prices are nearer to 32% up than 3,2%, I still have other sources of income where it helps - but what about other ex-pulic sevants who depend on the Govervenment Servanys pension fund for an income? They become poorer every year.

Problems of working class people in the USA under the Biden Administration were in a similar situation to what the South Aficans are under an ANC Afministration - that is why I dislike the Demcorats that worked hard to destroy the USA hrough ulta-leftist and socialist govenanace,,

You're hiring 100 staff to man a head office in South Africa with its 69IQ average

Due race laws, 80 of your staff members will have to be black. 10 Indian and 10 white.

Going by averages you have 20 people with a 100IQ(average for whites and Indians) and 80 people with a 62IQ(actual average IQ of black South Africans).

100IQ = Bang in the middle of average IQ.

62IQ = Mild intellectual disability.

Following prescribed race laws, and proven IQ scores with their classifications, your office will predominantly be manned by people with mild intellectual disability. This means that, even with best intentions, 80% of your staff have...

1. Difficulty with abstract thinking
2. May struggle to grasp complex or non-concrete concepts (e.g., financial projections, strategic planning).
3. Limited reading and writing ability
4. Likely to have literacy skills at a basic level, making emails, reports, and documentation difficult.
5. Slow learning pace
6. May need repeated instruction and more time to learn software, procedures, or office systems.
7. Shorter attention span
8. Could have difficulty focusing on tasks for extended periods, especially those requiring sustained concentration.
9. Limited problem-solving skills
10. May struggle to troubleshoot or adapt when unexpected problems arise.
11. Difficulty with multi-step tasks
12. Tasks involving multiple steps may be confusing or overwhelming without support or simplification.
13. Reduced memory retention
14. Might need frequent reminders or checklists to recall procedures or deadlines.
15. Lower confidence and social awareness
16. Could be shy or unsure in professional interactions, or have difficulty interpreting workplace norms and cues.
17. Dependence on supervision
18. Likely to need close supervision or a job coach, especially in the beginning

Now, outside of the above, you also have to contend with the fact that the lower IQs are strongly correlated with deviant and criminal behaviour...

1. Lower IQ correlates with higher crime rates, especially among juveniles (Hirschi & Hindelang, Moffitt).
2. Incarcerated populations often have IQs 8–10 points below the general average.
3. Verbal IQ is more strongly linked to criminal behavior than performance IQ.
4. Low executive function (planning, impulse control) is associated with antisocial behaviors.
5. Traits like impulsivity and poor foresight are more common in lower-IQ groups.
6. Meta-analyses confirm low IQ as a significant predictor of persistent offending.

Okay, so, doing business in South Africa, you are stuck with a very low performing workers, that are the most likely to undermine your business through criminal and deviant activity.

Now, have a look at SA...

The Rand has lost -+450% of its value against the Dollar.

Most previously successful state enterprises have collapsed. From rail networks to public transport, healthcare and the Post Office. SAA has completely floundered...the list is exceptionally long, too long.

You guys can keep blaming leadership because it's the easy way out.

What exasperates the problem is that in 1980, most work was manual. Things were less computerised and the average worker carried out fewer functions per day. In todays's word, with access to a vast variety of computerised job tools, workers carry out far more functions, where a single person controls tools that carry out jobs previously manned by humans. For example, a secretary...

Communication Handling

Today’s secretary sends and receives emails, manages instant messages, and schedules online meetings.

Previously done by: mailroom clerks, messengers, telephone operators, telex operators, and receptionists.

Document Creation

They now type, edit, and format documents using word processors.

Previously done by: typists, stenographers, secretary pools, and dictaphone transcriptionists.

Filing and Record Keeping

They organize and maintain digital files and folders.

Previously done by: filing clerks and records officers who managed physical files and archives.

Scheduling and Calendars

They use digital calendars to arrange meetings and send reminders.

Previously done by: personal assistants and receptionists using diaries and call logs.

Procurement and Admin Tasks

They order supplies online, track expenses, and sometimes manage petty cash.

Previously done by: purchasing clerks and accounts clerks.

Travel Arrangements

They book flights, hotels, and transport online.

Previously done by: travel agents or in-house concierges and runners.

Printing and Distribution

They print, scan, and send documents electronically.

Previously done by: duplicating machine operators and office runners.

Information and Research

They look up company data or do research online.

Previously done by: research assistants and library/archive staff.

Meeting Support

They prepare presentations, manage video calls, and take digital minutes.

Previously done by: A/V technicians and minute-takers using shorthand and typewriters.

The same principle holds true for many job types where, driven by profit, complexity creep has occurred. This complexity often times approaches cognitive abilities approaching managerial level, though less focused on man management and more focused on expedited and accurate job outcomes. This is all fine, but it requires ever increasing cognitive ability. An individual with a very low IQ is far less likely to be able to keep up with the cognitive requirements and the company that hires such a person will be at a default disadvantage. A company that is forced to hire 80% of their staff from the 62IQ range is at an ever increasing disadvantage.

Now, take a look around you at SA and tell me again that leadership is the problem. The problem is far wider than leadership. The best driver on earth will never win a race, or even do well, with a car that is 30% slower than the other cars on the track.

TLDR: lower your expectations because SA is still far above where it should be and will only continue to trend down until long after most of us here are dead. It WILL be just like Zim, Mozambique, Angola...and there is nothing anybody can do to reverse the trend. The living conditions in a country ARE predicted by the average IQ of the population. There is literally no more reliable predictor.

MTLDR; Stop snorting all the hopium and believing that once better leaders are in place things will improve. It's just a lie you are telling yourself. The evidence is clear and the truth is right in front of you.

So Plum what you are saying is that Chip is one thick shit? :)

eh?

Chip don’t make Plums job easier

I don't have a "job", Dave.

And if Chips has an IQ of 69 then he is likely thick...like everybody else with a similar IQ.

But if he has an IQ of 100 then he's not thick and if his IQ is over 125 then he's probably pretty bright.

Remove Beeno and Mike from South African and it's average IQ will probably go up to 5,000.

My IQ wa tested a numbe of times - reading 160. The difference is i always th ink thngs oer carefully and ssee t he difference betweenpropaganda shit and facts. I have a form believe that Zuma was ultra-corrupt, buit did he lead the corruption stakes or learned from the USA Democrats how it is done. Ramaphosa definiely followed the Biden crime family example in that regard.

Ramaphosa is amried to Msepe's sister - a medical doctor - and one of the richest heiresses in SA. Mosepe is a partne of Rpert in ownership of the Bulls rugby team and one of the brighest beople in SA, If he was the President there would be pe for a business-orientated Government in SA - but h is hated by the USA and world media because of his opposition to socialism and ultra[keft polcies destroyig all countries where it takes roots,

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I often wondered why DumbMike calls himself CleverMike.

Initially, I thought it may have been like a tall basket player calling himself tiny.

But no... he genuinely believes that he is not stupid, with an IQ of 160...

For context, Einstein had an IQ of 165.

Is he perhaps also including the IQ of his Clicks device?

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My IQ wa tested a numbe of times - reading 160. The difference is i always th ink thngs oer carefully and ssee t he difference betweenpropaganda shit and facts.

But no... he genuinely believes that he is not stupid, with an IQ of 160...

For context, Einstein had an IQ of 165.

Gosh!!!

Mike I think you accidentally added on a 0 to that number.

And a 6.

I was going to say....just an 0?

But then I scrolled down.

Mike, you would never get the exact same score over several tests.

i think most here have foot soldier IQs; 100-115

But I do rate there are a few posters that are well above that.

Ou Maaik is without doubt the stupidest person I have ever encountered. The fact that he thinks he has a 160 IQ confirms that.

I have pot plants with a higher IQ than ou Maaik.

As much as you and I don't get on, Rooi...I do place you in the category of posters with a well above average IQ. Not that I'm an IQ guru haha

See...now be nice FFS!

You can have the highest bloody IQ in the world, but if you don’t even have common decency to treat people with respect, especially a 80 year old man, then you a Dumbfuck in my books!!

Ja, Rudehole is not stupid...just wrong on a few important things.

Well, giMp, that 80 year old man also happens to be a low-class, foul-mouthed liar who has never shown any respect to me or anyone else, so you can take your judgmental and sanctimonious preaching and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.

The above indicates some real antpathy against people an that is where the situation is at present,- one gets empty nut cases on both eladership level and then compae performance ability, In essense IQ can be mainained based onm sound education in schools:-

1. in most EU countries superior levels of education is in evidence
2. in the USA and Canada it is not - children are not taught much in Government schools and reading and maths is incomprehensible.
3. In the USA and in countie like SA decent education is confined to private schools and there are still Go Government schools in which children receive a decent level of education - and the competion of Colored B lacks and Indians to get into those schools are deserate, These schools are confined to the Westen C ape and In Kwauku-Natal in schools situated in predominantly indian ares in G auteng and Kwa_Zulu-Natal. 90% the State schools are trying to get people throughs chools by lowerin g pass levels to 30 or even less %.
4. SA is not alone in that problm. In the USA levels of reading ability and maths is atrociously low and in state shools children are taught basic issues that is more Stalinist than enhacement of thinking ability, The latter si he ase in schools in Demcoratic Party controlled areas, where politicians amke sure their childrenc oes to privae schools and colleges, The more affluent people send their children to privae schools.

That is one fo tehr easons why Trump basically shut on the Education Deprtment where communist-orientated ideas were not enahncing schooling of children and when children leve schools they are bsially unable to read, Othes turn to ome schooling because the education levels in schools ae unholy shit.

Why is the educion levels in India and China higher than in the USA and 10 times higher than in SA? Then the fact is that political brainwashing Goebbels stle also lead ti inability for people to think for themselves so evident in this case,

I had a rathr iluminating discussion with the Nigerian business owner in Rivesdale. He decided on staring off with 1 business in Rivsdasle and is now owning 3. He told em that Riesdale is the ebst place to live in - he had no roblem with major theft and looting by resiens so prominent if most SA places. He and the Chines shop ownes and staff send their children to the local pre-school kindergartens and the local Model C Schools and there only problem is their children speaks Afrikaans better than English, From year their intentions are to send their Children to Stellenbosch University,

I worked in any education department in he 1970s and early 1980's amd was at thats tage he younges Under-Secretary in SA. The problem was I was just ot diplomatic and refuse to provide info to the Seciruty Police and had a fal-out it the National Party since separation of peple on the basis of race was unacceptable to me/

However, I have eben accused o being that "Communist on the Hill" by the residents in Ballito - but was never a communism and socialist supporter. I always tried t read as widely as possible on media elvel adn used my limitedd money to buy Time Magazine hough many years, After reding up much I went on foreign tours and holidays trying to meet with ordinary people in countries I went to. That givesd me a better understadning of people and their believes,

Tat is why I believe the Woke Culture tat took over in teh USA and in EU countries is destructive and is aimd at destruction of culture and work ethics, That is why G ermany in the 1970/s the second richest county in the orld is n diwn to 5th rchest and still going down virtually on a daily basis. The vehicle industry in Germany -a key to heir economic groth at the time i not a shadow of hat it was and is destroyed by a Goivenment opposed to the indystry and ebleiving Chiese electric veihicles is the way to go - while China is laugin g all the aay to the Bank. Interestin enough - the Democrats who promoted development of electric powered vehicles nde Biden - is now orgnizing and pomoting terrorist attacks attacking the biggest manufacturer - becuase he is undermining maladministration and corruption in the USA Federal Government,

By the way Rooidoos Trump's IQ is 159 - at least double of yours, .

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Ag shame Red Neck, a very old man made you cry, boo hoo, grow a pair.

You are disrespectful to most of the posters on here, not only Mike….Do me a favour, next time you go to Kruger, get out of the Car and go and play with the lions while they feeding.

Then you will see how they treat disrespect, you annoying Fly ….

Ja, this is my last day in Cape Town and getting on a flight back home to London. After 2 weeks travelling the western cape, visiting family and seeing old friends. It is remarkable in how much denial they live these days. I had a friend in Joburg who told me 10 years ago that he would never leave SA. Yet, back then his house had electric fencing, prison bar iron on his windows. You could only be in your garden during the day and at night time you and your family had to locked behind an iron gate. You have cameras and a TV in your garage just to check the blind spots.

At night time you behave a private security with guns and flashing lights to escort you into your home. All of this luxury come at a heavy price. School fees, high mortgage rates, medical aid to name a few. The cost just keep going up. Here in sitting thinking to myself that I didn't have pay a cent for the birth of my two children, they had frequent check ups and their schooling is free. How many times have I left my car open or forgot to lock my front door. I can leave my windows open at night and my kids can walk around the house freely. Yet, that very same friend would say another kak day in Africa being sarcastic. So what happened, well, he lost his high paying job as a civil engineer. Spent two years not finding work, they had to sell everything, their lovely home in Sandton, their fancy cars. Had not been for his parents who were both Brits, things could have been differently. Now they are in England, his wife works for the NHS and I'm not sure what he does. At 50, they are still able to recover their lives.

I took my wife to the wold of birds in Houtbaai and the place had fallen in disrepair. Houtbay how have many squatter camps against the mountains spilling into the road. The sentinel has shack right up its neck. We were still able to get a couple of pizzas, they only part that made our final night pleasant was being able to go to Llandudno beach, eat pizza and watch the sunset.

This morning we went to surfers corner and grab a quick surf and enjoy a brunch at kneads.

There is still a beauty here and it is heartbreaking having to just accept this.

I feel it is not long now before the final fragments of Cape Town will get envelopped by the tide of chaos

Well, atleast the weather was fantastic...

Ja, it is hard, that said, growing up and up living here until I was 23 meant a lot to me. What I didn't realise how desensitized we were to what was going on around us. I would often drive past denoon, or past khalitsha. My mom work inside Langa for the town council. So it wasnt like I never seen it. Yet in London my neighbours come from all walks of life. It comes with it's problems but you never have to see this or live in fear. Most people have a home, a job or if not, looked after. Yet, coming back you really exposed to it.

I'm not against the poor, it is just a failure. I was speaking to my wife who is Russian on the way to the airport and she mentioned that the gypsies often steal and drug babies and use them to beg for money. It was even worse many years ago where they disfigured the children. Then it dawned on me, a society that can't look after children or their mothers, fathers and families is broken. If you allow this to happen to a child then you will never have a proper future and the cycle will continue, but it can't come from being like mother Teresa, it has to come from its own people.

Anyway, maybe I'll come back for a visit or maybe I won't. Let's see how much I miss the mountains, sea and sunshine. At least the wine and food was still great

Damn…the World of Birds is gone? That was a grandkids favorite.

Not gone, just spoiled...like most things.

Stavanger1Senior player

3,462 posts

Apr 06, 2025, 00:53

Mike I think you accidentally added on a 0 to that number.

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How about missing a million?

The Western Cape losing/harming the lucrative tourist industry would be catastrophic, for sure to be sure.

Blob...some things still works spectacularly well regardless of the ANC's knack to ruine everything they touch...what's the opposite of the Midas touch? Sadim touch I see...doesn't seem strong enough to adequately describe the Comrades.

Saddam touch :)

Kolmanskop incoming.

Umm...African Touch

Look, the black people that served us, whether it be the petrol attendant, the waiter or waitress, the checkout lady. They were all very friendly. However, the poverty is sickening, the amount of children on the side of the road, drunk adults just laying on the side walks around the shops. Dumb teenage boys harassing you when you get out of the car asking you to buy them a coke. These are all idle hands. Most of them have alcohol problems, many suffered from infant alcoholism that had seriously affected their intelligence. Yet, I do see those coloured and black families together at the beach. Those who have cars and decent clothes on. Yet, for so many that don't have it.

My mom has a friend from the UK that live in SA. She adopted her maids, a black boy from when he was a baby. The mom still had access to her son but felt it would be better for Joan to raise their boy. He went to the best schools, lives in a fantastic house and many times went on holidays, he even got as far as to get an MBA, very bright boy who got a chance. However, I just learned that he is leaving SA because he can't find work. I just wish people would band together and ignore the ANC and their stupid policies.

However, foreigners are staying away, business are forced to shut and no-one wants to hire anymore.

When I wrote I hate South Africa, I hate seeing what is happening to it. I will always support the boks and always connect with any South African, but this is not the country I had hope for. Back in the 90s I accepted that I had a privileged upbringing. The first black person I met when I went to the USA I felt I had to apologise for the harms we whites did. As a young man I carried that guilt. I said to myself, let me leave and allow another black person to get a chance at home. I got the schooling, so I would be okay. My first job I worked like a black. Cold, wet and dark, sharing a room, stuck in a basement for many months, yet I ensured for a year. So many of my friends packed in, but I got my chance to do what I use to do SA and that was to programme. I saved every penny and went to university. I had the privilege of paying £9000 a year for my degree, a degree I couldn't do in SA because my mom lost her government job when the ANC took over, my dad lost his job, so there was no money for me to go to university l, but I taught myself to programme and snuck into colleges to sit in on classes my friends went to.

I got my degree and went back to coding and I have steadily worked my way up.

Yet, I long for SA, the SA if the late 90s, my fiends, families, meeting people. However, every time I go home what ever nostalgia I had gets shattered.

I can no longer walk up long street in the evening, we hop from one home to another. I can no longer go swim on a full moon at midnight in the ocean. There are opportunist at every corner. As my friend said, Zulus and Xhosas are some of the most violent people on the planet and they won't think twice taking your life for a phone. Harsh coming from her as she never had a racist bone in her body. The white girl that lived with the Rastas of Knysna or who had a black boyfriend from Malawi or who have a half coloured sister.

The reality is, Xhosa and Zulus are the biggest problem, they are the majority and they vote for this nonsense.

I hope SA can survive and someone, preferably a black person puts a bullet through the head of melema

Evil fcs...showing why some thought Apartheid was a solution to prevent this...it wasn't, but there must be a better sollution than the current nonsense.

Pending

The GNU has always been a pipe dream.

No reduction in corruption ?

Of course there is no reduction in corruption, Blo.

The odd respectable and honest politician is never gonna make a dent in the mindset of your corrupt, leftist, socialist chommies here in SA.

That's why Trump has had to step in.

Thanks Ed for moving this thread to where it belongs.

I agree. There is a rugby section for rugby stuff.

You two should be kaskapteins...badge'n all.

I haven't been posting anything for the last few weeks, purely because my wife and I have been travelling a lot of South Africa.

I took a few weeks just to literally hit the road, and not even plan certain things to see or do, I quite literally landed up in places and asked the locals there what to do because I didn't want to do the usual tourist things.

What a epic trip .... from one side of SA to the other ... so this post was quite interesting to come back to.

Whilst I agree that things have got bad here, and will continue to do so, unless there is some intervention in the near future, I can't really agree with all the negatives.

The reason why, is because I have travelled to many countries around the world, and I see the positives and negatives in all of them, and it's nothing particularily endemic to South Africa.... not even close.

The Black people of SA have to want change, and if they don't vote for it, it never will change.

As Plum said, a huge part of the problem is the level of education across the country, and the reason why I raise and support this specific issue is because so many standards have either dropped or been reduced to accomodate BBE or BBBEE or some other previously disadvantaged person or group.....and this reflects directly in the quality and quantity of the work that gets done around the country, from school level to municipalities and government positions.... lower IQ people and substantially uneducated people are doing work that they are not qualified or experienced or educated enough to do....the government reduces the expected standard to ensure that more people qualify for the job, hence the reduction in quality and quantity of the work.... it really is that simple, but the results are devastating to the country as a whole.

Everyone in SA knows that postal, rail, airways, electrical etc etc organisations are a joke.... and nothing is improving at all.

Mostly all of the places we went to, and we went to a hell of a lot, mostly eating out for Breakfast, Lunch and Supper every day for a few weeks, we were served 95% of the time by Black or Coloured people, which showed me that young White South African people are not even getting the entry level jobs as waiters, which is very concerning, but it also illustrates just how much pressure all the companies and organisations in SA are under, to now employ previously disadvantaged people, or lose out on heavy possible income from government contracts or be heavily restricted on where they can purchase their produce or products from, depending of their supplier's BBE grading.

So no, we are not ruined yet, this is still a very special and beautiful country, filled with exceptional and talented people, with a friendly smile to assist at anytime in basically all the places we went to, but we have many problems......but the majority of the population in this country need to stand up for the change to take place, the Whites are too much of a minority to make much difference, that's just the plain honest truth.... our numbers are just far too low to even compete with changing this government, but we can join in.

Every place we went, I asked the waiters who their clientelle were mainly made up of, and the response was pretty much the same everywhere we went..... British and German, which we experienced ourselves as well by listening to the people around us.

All the places we ended up going to had basically 100% occupancy from one side of SA to the other and that was impressive to see..... the busses of people holidaying in SA was such an eye opener ... and quite frankly made me really appreciate just what we actually have on our own doorstep, that so many people travel thousands of kilometers around the world to see.

I can understand people's ongoing frustrations with SA ..... because we honestly personally know just how good it really could be for everyone here, but I think we still have so many good people and qualities going for us on a daily basis, even if there is still so much bad.

Having been to so many places around the world as stated earlier, there is still no other place I would want to be, not even close.....even if I do bitch and moan about it at times, I am entitled to..... but this is home and always will be.