ICC judges issue arrest warrant for Vladimir Putin over alleged war crimes

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Mar 18, 2023, 06:42

Arrest warrants issued for Russian leader and his children’s rights commissioner for ‘unlawful deportation’ of Ukrainian children

in Washington and


Fri 17 Mar 2023 20.58 GMT
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/17/vladimir-putin-arrest-warrant-ukraine-war-crimes

The international criminal court (ICC) in The Hague has issued an arrest warrant for Vladimir Putin for overseeing the abduction of Ukrainian children, sending Russia another significant step on the path to becoming a pariah state.

Mar 18, 2023, 06:43

Hang the evil bastard.

Mar 18, 2023, 07:09

"Reports first emerged last spring that Ukrainian children in occupied territory were being taken to Russia, and even being adopted by Russian families. Russia has presented its actions as a humanitarian mission to save Ukrainian children from the war. But Ukraine has accused Russia of genocide and described its actions as a war crime.

The alleged abductees include children taken from Ukrainian state institutions in the occupied areas, children whose parents had sent them to Russian-run “summer camps” from which they never returned, children whose parents were arrested by the Russian occupying authorities, and children who were orphaned by the fighting.

several hundred children from the occupied territories remain in Russia after they attended “re-education” camps with the consent of their parents but were then not returned.

^^^^THIS IS VERY CONCERNING...but having war orphans addopted by Russian families away from the war zone sounds logical.

Mar 18, 2023, 08:49

I am not sure whether there is any real problem here when it comes to Russia.   It is a fact that 3,2 million Russian speaking people from Ukraine have been evacuated to Russia and those include women and children.   Many of those people have families in Russia and they often stay with those.

The rest of the story looked rather suspect - are the Russians really running indoctrination re-education programs and to what extent are those run.   The fact is that some parents sent their children to Russia to be educated there because the Ukraine Government banned the teaching of Russian in Ukraine schools.    Nobody in their right minds would send children back to the present Ukraine hell-hole anyway.

I am also aware of the fact that in Bakhmut the few parents still left have allegedly hidden their children to avoid the Police becoming aware of them - because the Ukraine army and police grab boys  from the age of 14 to 17 and send them into the war zone where on average they die within hours.   

WAR IS TERRIBLE AND THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR.   THE EFFORT IS TO GAIN INTERNATIONAL  SUPPORT THROUGH PROPAGANDA AND.    AS BAD AS THE RUSSIANS ARE IN THIS WAR - SO BAD IS THE UKRAINE GOVERNMENT.                   

Mar 18, 2023, 10:59

Jislaaik, Russians kidnapping kids, as a 'humanitarian mission to save 'em from the war ' .... altho, its officially, a 'special military operation', not a war, & Monty Pythonesque, if not for the millions suffering & dying 'cos this jumped-up ex KGB agent attempts to justify twenty plus dictatorial years in power doing f''all & now this disastrous attempt to recreate the Russian Empire.



Mar 18, 2023, 11:20

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Mar 18, 2023, 12:00

A humanitarian mission by kidnapping kids... If they never invaded in the first place, there would not have been a humanitarian crisis in the first place. Bombing schools and hospitals was Putin showing his compassion.


If your kids were abducted and taken to America against "your" will - the legal guardian, it is not as if this would not drive any parent crazy.

The kids that were taken were probably the ones that were the most against being taken to Russia for brainwashing.



Mar 18, 2023, 12:15

It would be humanitarian to put a bullet between Putin's eyes.

Mar 18, 2023, 17:04

Listen the article said clearly the parents send their kids to Russia not for re-education - but to attend schools there because the Kiev regime banned using and teaching Russian in Ukraine schools - despite the fact that at least 32% of the Ukraine population has Russian as home language.   Do you think the parents whom they refer to would want to have their children back in the hellhole Ukraine has become as a result of the war.   Use your logic please

Since Eastern Ukraine was incorporated by the Communists in 1953 to off-set the fact that many Ukrainians sided with the Germans in WW2 and co-operated with the Germans  led to a decision to artificially increase the Russian Speaking population in Ukraine and that was done by just redrawing the borders between Ukraine and Russia.   When the Communists lost power in 1991 Ukraine with its large Russian population in Eastern Ukraine carefully negotiated a Democratic Constitution  for the country - which guaranteed protection of human rights of all people living in Ukraine - it allowed for the Crimea to have their own Parliament.   FACT  A high percentage of the Russian-speaking people living in Ukraine have family members in Russia.

The 2014 coup organized and funded by the USA resulted in an illegal power grab not in line with the Ukraine Constitution and in the process the Constitution was nullified.   The USA in fact prescribed who should form the new Ukraine Government    FACT  - there is a video in which the Obama Assistant Secretary of State criticized some potential leaders and said who should be the new leaders of Ukraine.

This story would be a tearjerker for idiots.  A few days ago there was a report of a welfare organization operating from the EU that they are desperately trying to evacuate children from Bakhmut - but they have problems since some parents were hiding the children.   Now that is where there is a major problem - but why were they hiding their children?   The reason was clear to any thinking person.   Boys between the ages 14 and 17 are handed over to the Ukraine Army when found and then without any real military training send into the firing line and killed within hours.     The latter happens all over Ukraine.   

Before the Invasion started the Ukraine Government had all opposition party members (most of whom were Russian-speaking) arrested.   Zelenskyy then forbid functioning  of all the opposition parties in Ukraine - as well as the majority church in the country.    The Zelenskyy Government also announced total censorship of all media in Ukraine.   So now you have a dictatorship supported by all of you under total control of the US of which it is a client state - in other words where the USA has a puppet in Kiev to carry out instructions.

You will find it impossible to prove the story relating to the so-called empire other than in propaganda news story,   There has been no evidence that the Russians want to conquer Ukraine and make it part of Russia.    It must be borne in mind that a civil war started after in Eastern Ukraine in 2014 and in a conference in Minsk in 2015 a ceasefire was agreed upon.   The agreement was negotiated agreement consisting of the German, French and Russian  Government, as well as the Government of Ukraine and the leaders of  the rebel fighters in Eastern Ukraine,  covering many aspects - but there were two resolutions of particular interest that Putin agreed to.   Those were -

*   guaranteing the integrity of the 2015 borders of Ukraine; and

*   a new Constitution to replace the 1991 discarded Constitution.

The US Government in 2021 want no peace in Ukraine and in two meetings in 2022  the 2015 Minsk Agreement should be retained and implementation enforced.  A week before the Invasion took place a further meeting between President Macron, the German and Russian Government took place and the Minsk agreement of 2015 was accepted by all the Parties - but Biden cancelled out the agreement and the Zelenskyy Government had no choice but to follow instructions from Washington.   A third similar meeting - that time organized by Turkey met and it was agreed that Russia would withdraw its troops threatening Kiev in an effort to see whether the conflict could not be negotiated.    Again the basic principles of the agreement based on the Minsk agreement was on the cards - but the negotiations fell apart because of a telephone call from Washington forbidding the Ukraine negotiators to take part in the meeting.  

The situation is clear - the USA for some reason prefers the proxy war situation and has sabotaged every time an agreement on the future of Ukraine was on the cards.   FACT.

The above story is total BS and propaganda.    The Kiev Government is taking boys away from their families and without training thrust them into the front line - life expectancy of those kids  less than 7 hours.                                  

 

Mar 18, 2023, 17:26

Russia’s invasion was not welcomed or even anticipated in America. All the ‘experts’ pretty much thought he’d negotiate for an advantage and pull back. His recognition of independent states inside Ukraine was the first moment of reality. No the US didn’t want this war, but once Russia chose to impose this atrocity on the world the West rightly decided to make them pay ….and the fall in oil prices is going to hit them hard.


Mar 18, 2023, 18:22

"….and the fall in oil prices is going to hit them hard."

The only way to kick Putin in the nuts...het oil closer to 40$ a barrel...been saving it for the duration of the war...throttle the fckers...draai hulle krane toe.

Mar 18, 2023, 19:50

Yes, the oil price is back to where it was a few years ago, and probably even less for Russia due to the West shipping insurance.

And now he is feeling the loss of sales to Europe...

Putin was lucky last year that the sanctions just drove up the price of oil which offset the reduction in Russian energy sales.
Other suppliers not selling more oil made the problem worse.

India is no longer buying lots of oil from Russia because it can source it at the same price from other places, and China is also buying less.  

The shipping insurance solution has fixed that problem. It is a pity the supply/demand problem wasn't anticipated, and the shipping insurance applied from day 1.  

Russia refers to itself as a world power, but the only thing they have is the most nukes.
Perhaps a nuclear world power, whatever that is - but not a world power in anything else.

Democratic countries around the world (not just NATO) are slowly crushing the life of Putin's Authoritarian Russia. 



Mar 18, 2023, 20:58


Mar 18, 2023, 21:22

SB

You must by now realize that you are my favorite idiot on site,    I know that your brain capacity equal that of an 8 year old child.   Zero capacity to understand that the lies should not be pushed on site until the truth has been determent.   

Now look at the case of the oil price.   Biden decided to sell oil from the Strategic Oil Reserve to force the prices down,  Sure it worked - but the USA must be careful.    With reserves that low China will attack Taiwan and South Korea whenever President Xi decided on the detail and the oil reserve is so low - the USA will not be able to sustain any war for longer than 2 months - That information came from a General who was competent and not like the idiots now in charge in the Pentagon.

THE REST ARE JUST STATEMENTS FROM THE MEDIA  - IN OTHER WORDS READ THE FOLLOWING;-

In a moment of unbelievable Honesty - answer to question - Hunter said  "Ask my dad - he is a bigger crook than I am".       

Mar 18, 2023, 21:55

Mozart

There is real evidence that the negotiations  co-ordinated by Turkey was stopped on instruction of the WH telling the Ukraine Government representatives not to attend the meetings.   

I gave you the details of the Minsk 1 agreement and also the Minsk 2 agreement  ready to go forward when the brilliant Biden said the aim of the upcoming war in Ukraine is to remove Putin as President of Russia.    End of negotiations.

Now lets get to the efforts since 2015 to stop the civil war in Eastern Ukraine and guarantee the territorial integrity of Ukraine - why did Obama not side with the negotiations on the issue - but why did Biden and his lot now try to get a war between Russia and the USA starting.   

Is it because Biden - excuse the word - fucked up everything he touched since he became President and his only way out of the shit he created would be through starting a war directly against Russia that he believes could change the image people have of him as President.     Amazing - but true

However, he will not get Congress approval for such a war - so the proxy war in Ukraine is the only thing he can hope for.    .     

  

Mar 19, 2023, 03:12

'Russia’s invasion was not welcomed or even anticipated in America. All the ‘experts’ pretty much thought he’d negotiate for an advantage and pull back.'

Really?

"Additionally," the U.S. official added, "reporting from aircraft observers indicates Russia violated Ukrainian airspace earlier today, flying possible reconnaissance aircraft for a short period over Ukraine.

A source close to Zelenskyy's government also confirmed to Newsweek that such a warning was received, but noted that this was the third time in a month Kyiv was told to prepare for imminent large-scale military action by Russian President Vladimir Putin."

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It was common knowledge that Ukraine had been warned of an impending Russian invasion.

More egg for our resident Pompous twat.

Fixed your typo yet? Bwhahahahahha

Mar 19, 2023, 15:38

Hypocrisy and double standards.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrghwzOWYAIu_a0?format=jpg&name=medium

Mar 19, 2023, 15:57

Why is Julian Assange in jail for disclosing the crimes committed against civilians in Iraq?

What happened to weapons of mass destruction lies by Bush?

https://youtu.be/Dw_5tZqzwXg



Mar 19, 2023, 17:43

Assange found the proof of how corruption in the USA amongst Politicians operate    He paidd particular attention to what the role is iro the Arms Industry and the kickback system works benefitting the corrupt politicians and bureaucrats.    Trump ordered that US troops were to eb withdrawn from Syria - the army command kept them there and lied to Trump about it.

Everyone know that the withdrawal from Afghanistan was chaotic  The end result was that the propaganda started for a new war to keep the Arms Industry and their kickback beneficiaries happy.   So voila the new Ukraine war started with the Biden administration sabotaging  all potential peace negotiations.                      

Mar 20, 2023, 06:50

Why is Julian Assange in jail for disclosing the crimes committed against civilians in Iraq?

What happened to weapons of mass destruction lies by Bush?...."and Blair"

Totally agree.

Mar 20, 2023, 06:53

Hey Pompous........nudge, nudge, once you've wiped the egg off your dial have a go at this one.

'Russia’s invasion was not welcomed or even anticipated in America. All the ‘experts’ pretty much thought he’d negotiate for an advantage and pull back.'

Really?

"Additionally," the U.S. official added, "reporting from aircraft observers indicates Russia violated Ukrainian airspace earlier today, flying possible reconnaissance aircraft for a short period over Ukraine.

A source close to Zelenskyy's government also confirmed to Newsweek that such a warning was received, but noted that this was the third time in a month Kyiv was told to prepare for imminent large-scale military action by Russian President Vladimir Putin."

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It was common knowledge that Ukraine had been warned of an impending Russian invasion.

More egg for our resident Pompous twat.

Mar 20, 2023, 07:49

Ole Denny with his usual 5c input.

Doesn't have a clue what's going on as usual. 

Mar 20, 2023, 08:08

I must agree with Denny here - the fact was that in the week before the invasion there was a meeting of leaders to try and avoid war,  They reached an agreement that the Minsk agreement of 2015 should be implemented.

The day before the end of the meeting referred to above that retarded President in Washington delivered a speech in which he stated that the pending war in Ukraine was aimed at getting rid of Putin as Russian President,   If the US Government was not involved in warmongering how come did they know a war was coming.    All the actions of the US since 2015 was aimed at ensuring there is no agreement ever implemented in Ukraine.     

This was particularly so after the chaotic flight of  the US army from Afghanistan  - the Arms Industrial Complex needed another war and the corrupt Washington politicians and bureaucrats thriving from kickbacks they receive iro Government weapon orders were out in full force to support the starting of the war.    Politicians like Biden, Pelosi,Schiff and Clinton were up to their necks involved in corruption in Ukraine - so they wanted a war to allow them to continue their corruption  agenda.   There are heaps of documents proving the latter statement.             

Mar 20, 2023, 10:47

I just obtained a full report on the farce that developedd by the Demcorats to arrest Trump on bogus charges  relating to an account he paid to Cohen when the latter was his attorney.   He paid the account sent by Cohen and now it is suddenly deemed as misrepresentation - since apparently Cohen paid a settlement about an allegation of sexual relationship involving Daniels.   What misrepresentation that amounts to really is a joke.   

Apparently after the January 6  farce ended and the Democrats disgraced as liars they needed a new "criminal charge" they could concoct against Trump.  The same happened when the Mueller investigation failed to find anything - they concocted lies about the Biden crime family issue and the Schiff office worker acting together with Schumer's lawyers  concocted a whistle-blower's report used to try to get Trump impeached.   Afraid that the "whistleblower" would be exposed as knowing zero about the issue and making false statements  the identity of the whistleblower was kept in secret by the Democrats - but enough people knows where that one came from.

The new farce was probably leaked to Trump by a FBI insider - knowing about the BI and Justice Department plans.   One wonders how much Trump knows of Democrat politicians corruption and they desperately try to create "scandals" - knowing if he will make sure the crooks are jailed if he is re-elected in 2024. 

Time to clear out the crooks - both politicians and bureaucrats - out of the Washington Government.              


           

Mar 20, 2023, 10:51

I just obtained a full report

ROFL

Did you hire some investigative journalists to obtain it or do you have some sort of government department working for you on this report?

Obtained a full report LMAO.

Mar 20, 2023, 11:12

LMAO!


Who knew ou Maaik received classified reports from the CIA and the FBI?

We'd better all be a bit more careful what we say on here!

Mar 20, 2023, 11:13

Sure 

I got it from Fox News and they have exposed lies and corruption of the Democrats continuously and they are indeed a news agency and not in general spread lies and disinformation like the  Fake Media - which you are stupid enough to believe and spread on this site on a regular basis for 7 years now and none of your BS was ever true.  Happy Idiot's Day to you. 

Mar 20, 2023, 12:13

Ummmm . . . ou Maaik, I know you're not the shiniest coin in the fountain but your beloved Fox News is currently facing billions of dollars of defamation suits for spreading lies and disinformation.

Mar 20, 2023, 15:08

 In December, the CIA issued classified reports concluding that Putin hadn’t yet committed to an invasion, according to the current and former officials. In January, even as the Russian military was starting to take the logistical steps necessary to move its troops into Ukraine, U.S. intelligence again issued classified reporting maintaining that Putin had still not resolved to actually launch an attack, the officials said. “The CIA was saying through January that Putin had not made a decision to invade, but he was putting in place pieces for an invasion,” said a senior U.S. intelligence official, who asked not to be identified in order to discuss sensitive matters. “I think Putin was still keeping his options open.”

……. Egg Comrade, glorious egg

Mar 20, 2023, 21:47

"Additionally," the U.S. official added, "reporting from aircraft observers indicates Russia violated Ukrainian airspace earlier today, flying possible reconnaissance aircraft for a short period over Ukraine.

A source close to Zelenskyy's government also confirmed to Newsweek that such a warning was received, but noted that this was the third time in a month Kyiv was told to prepare for imminent large-scale military action by Russian President Vladimir Putin."

……. Egg Piles, glorious egg


Mar 21, 2023, 00:06

DESPITE STAGING A massive military buildup on his country’s border with Ukraine for nearly a year, Russian President Vladimir Putin did not make a final decision to invade until just before he launched the attack in February, according to senior current and former U.S. intelligence officials.

In December, the CIA issued classified reports concluding that Putin hadn’t yet committed to an invasion, according to the current and former officials. In January, even as the Russian military was starting to take the logistical steps necessary to move its troops into Ukraine, U.S. intelligence again issued classified reporting maintaining that Putin had still not resolved to actually launch an attack, the officials said. “The CIA was saying through January that Putin had not made a decision to invade, but he was putting in place pieces for an invasion,” said a senior U.S. intelligence official, who asked not to be identified in order to discuss sensitive matters. “I think Putin was still keeping his options open.”

It wasn’t until February that the agency and the rest of the U.S. intelligence community became convinced that Putin would invade, the senior official added. With few other options available at the last minute to try to stop Putin, President Joe Biden took the unusual step of making the intelligence public, in what amounted to a form of information warfare against the Russian leader. He also warned that Putin was planning to try to fabricate a pretext for invasion, including by making false claims that Ukrainian forces had attacked civilians in the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine, which is controlled by pro-Russian separatists. The preemptive use of intelligence by Biden revealed “a new understanding … that the information space may be among the most consequential terrain Putin is contesting,” observed Jessica Brandt of the Brookings Institution.

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So the intelligence community thinks Putin never made up his mind until just before he launched his attack…and the intelligence community believed he hadn’t made up his mind.

Despite the build up many experts thought it was just gamesmanship……schplotttttt!



Mar 21, 2023, 02:02

US and UK intelligence warnings vindicated by Russian invasion


Spy chiefs had been worried by troop movement near Ukraine’s border for some months – and their warnings proved accurate

It was in early November that US president Joe Biden took the rare step to dispatch CIA director Bill Burns to Moscow. The spy chief’s message – in part – was to warn his Kremlin counterparts that the West was concerned about unusual troop movements it was seeing near Ukraine’s border.

‘Putin chose this war,’ Biden says as he announces new sanctions – US politics as it happened
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British officials were anxious, too. “We keep on coming back to crises over Ukraine,” one said later that month. “President Biden does not send Bill Burns to Moscow unless he is very worried about something. And so, you know, without being able to go into the full details, there is enough substance to this to make us concerned.”

A few days later, in early December, the Washington Post reported that US intelligence had found that the Kremlin was “planning a multi-front offensive as soon as early next year involving up to 175,000 troops”, from the north, east and south.

It was in early November that US president Joe Biden took the rare step to dispatch CIA director Bill Burns to Moscow. The spy chief’s message – in part – was to warn his Kremlin counterparts that the West was concerned about unusual troop movements it was seeing near Ukraine’s border.

‘Putin chose this war,’ Biden says as he announces new sanctions – US politics as it happened
Read more

British officials were anxious, too. “We keep on coming back to crises over Ukraine,” one said later that month. “President Biden does not send Bill Burns to Moscow unless he is very worried about something. And so, you know, without being able to go into the full details, there is enough substance to this to make us concerned.”

A few days later, in early December, the Washington Post reported that US intelligence had found that the Kremlin was “planning a multi-front offensive as soon as early next year involving up to 175,000 troops”, from the north, east and south.

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Timeline: How did the recent Ukraine-Russia crisis start?

Months of diplomacy have failed to resolve the crisis, as fear grows over an imminent Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Moscow, which has repeatedly denied it plans to invade and says it is responding to aggression by NATO allies, dismisses those warnings as “hysteria”.

Here is a timeline of the main events so far.

November 2021

Satellite imagery shows a new build-up of Russian troops on the border with Ukraine, and Kyiv says Moscow has mobilised 100,000 soldiers along with tanks and other military hardware.

December 7, 2021

US President Joe Biden warns Russia of sweeping Western economic sanctions if it invades Ukraine.

December 17, 2021

Russia presents detailed security demands to the West, including that NATO ceases all military activity in eastern Europe and Ukraine and that the alliance never accept Ukraine or other former Soviet nations as members.

January 3, 2022

Biden reassures Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskyy that the US will “respond decisively” if Russia invades Ukraine.

The two men spoke on the phone to discuss preparations for a series of upcoming diplomatic meetings to address the crisis.

January 10, 2022

US and Russian officials meet in Geneva for diplomatic talks but differences remain unresolved as Moscow repeats security demands that Washington says it cannot accept.

January 24, 2022

NATO puts forces on standby and reinforces its military presence in Eastern Europe with more ships and fighter jets. Some Western nations start evacuating non-essential embassy staff from Kyiv. The US puts 8,500 troops on alert.

January 26, 2022

Washington presents a written response to Russia’s security demands, repeating a commitment to NATO’s “open-door” policy while offering a “principled and pragmatic evaluation” of Moscow’s concerns.

January 27, 2022

Biden warns of a likely Russian invasion in February. China throws its political weight behind Russia and tells the US that Moscow’s “legitimate security concerns” should be “taken seriously”.

January 28, 2022

Russian President Vladimir Putin says Russia’s main security demands have not been addressed but that Moscow is ready to keep talking.

Ukraine’s President Zelenkskyy warns the West to avoid creating “panic” that will negatively affect his country’s economy.

January 31, 2022

US and Russia spar over the Ukraine crisis at a special closed session of the UN Security Council.

US Ambassador to the UN Linda Thomas-Greenfield told the council a Russian invasion of Ukraine would threaten global security.

Russia’s UN envoy Vasily Nebenzya accused Washington and its allies of drumming up the threat of war despite Moscow’s repeated denials of a planned invasion.

“The discussions about a threat of war is provocative in and of itself. You are almost calling for this. You want it to happen,” Nebenzya said.

February 1, 2022

Putin denies planning an invasion and accuses the US of ignoring his country’s security demands.

“It is already clear that fundamental Russian concerns ended up being ignored,” he said.

February 6, 2022

Russia has established 70 percent of the military buildup it needs to launch a full-scale invasion of Ukraine, according to American officials cited anonymously in US media.

February 8, 2022

French President Emmanuel Macron meets Putin for marathon talks in Moscow and tells reporters Russia will not escalate the Ukraine crisis.

However, the Kremlin denied that Macron and Putin struck a deal on de-escalating the crisis. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said that “in the current situation, Moscow and Paris can’t be reaching any deals”.

February 10, 2022

UK Foreign Secretary Liz Truss and Russian FM Sergey Lavrov hold fruitless talks.

In an icy press conference, Lavrov described the meeting as “a conversation between a mute and a deaf person”.

He added that the “facts” presented by his team on the crisis “bounced off” their British counterparts.

Truss, who warned of tough Western sanctions if Ukraine was attacked, challenged Lavrov about his assertion that Russia’s buildup of troops and weaponry was not threatening anyone.

February 11, 2022

Biden’s national security adviser, Jake Sullivan, says US intelligence shows a Russian invasion could begin within days, before the Beijing Olympics end on February 20.

The Pentagon ordered an additional 3,000 US troops to be sent to Poland to reassure allies. Meanwhile, a number of countries called upon their citizens to leave Ukraine, with some warning that a military evacuation will not be guaranteed in the event of war.

February 12, 2022

Biden and Putin hold talks via video conference. The US president said a Russian invasion of Ukraine would cause “widespread human suffering” and that the West was committed to diplomacy to end the crisis but “equally prepared for other scenarios”.

Putin complained in the call that the US and NATO have not responded satisfactorily to Russian demands that Ukraine be prohibited from joining the military alliance and that NATO pull back forces from Eastern Europe.

Yuri Ushakov, Putin’s top foreign policy aide, said that while tensions have been escalating for months, in recent days “the situation has simply been brought to the point of absurdity”.

He said Biden mentioned the possible sanctions that could be imposed on Russia, but: “This issue was not the focus during a fairly long conversation with the Russian leader.”

schplotttttt!


Mar 21, 2023, 03:26

Denny

Just one explanation please.  Why did the USA repeatedly sabotaged the meetings that really count in this case where agreements were reached in 2015 and 2022 (a week before the invasion) on the issue in Ukraine?   The USA had no interest in solving any problems in Ukraine and the Geneva meeting was a farce as well. 

Let me refer to the meeting between Macron and Putin.  What is said about the meeting came after a speech by the idiotic Biden in which he stated the objective of the expected war removal of Putin that actually came out  before the final agreement was put together - so the quote above is a lie - especially since it ignored the war incitement in that Biden Speech.   That  caused the statement you quoted of Russia not accepting Macron's proposals and that no agreement was reached.   You are welcome to check out that speech of Biden that was published.

The statement you summarized has lots of spaces where the  US Government made false statements and you can be assured  Macron was the hell in with Biden on account of that speech.   Anyway - the USA negotiations consisted of demands by the USA that the Crimea be handed back to Ukraine which was an demand the Russians would never agree to.   The Crimea was covered in the 1991 Constitution of Ukraine by including a provision that the Crimea would have their own Parliament that operate on all governance issues in the area of Ukraine and that the power of the Ukraine Government was limited with a  further agreement abut the use of the Russians of the Sevastopol Naval facilities used by Rusia was in place.   The USA responsible for organizing the 2014 unconstitutional coup in Ukraine and deciding  on who should lead Ukraine was the cause of the Civil War in Eastern Ukraine and the Crimea Parliament decided that a referendum was to be held in Ukraine as to incorporation of Ukraine into Russia.    The referendum was held  and the result was over 94% of the voters wanted incorporation in Russia.   Not surprising since the population was 85% Russians, 10% Tartans (Descendents of the Muslim  Sultanate that Governed Crimea and Eastern Ukraine until the 1770's  with zero links to Ukraine at all - and 5% Ukrainians.  The US Government claimed that the referendum was rigged - but two subsequent opinion polls by  USA and German Pollsters confirmed the validity of the election outcome.   So not even the German and French Governments demanded the return to Ukraine of the Crimea in the negotiations in Minsk in 2015 to end the Civil War in Ukraine I referred to before.   They realized that it was a non-negotiable condition the Russians would never agree to.

Where there was an agreement on the way forward in Ukraine the USA sabotaged the agreements and lied about what happened.   An example is the operation of Biolabs doing dangerous research in Ukraine was proven in documents submitted to the UN.   The USA denied that the biolabs exist - but then landed themselves in serious trouble when the Biden Deputy Secretary of State confirmed under oath in the Senate that there were biolabs in Ukraine and the USA Government is afraid the pathogens from the labs would fall in Russian hands.   If the research done was not dangerous as claimed by the Americans - why the fear that the pathogens will fall in Russian Hands.

No Denny - the USA and the UK wanted a war in Ukraine and they caused the war by undermining real peace negotiations to settle the issues that cause the civil war in Ukraine and all that came out  from negotiations between the USA and the UK were demands that Russia submit to their wishes and no solution to the real problems in Ukraine to be solved by negotiation  an issue they wanted solved.   The USA wanted war in Ukraine and was never interested in a peace settlement. ending the civil war in Ukraine.   As a fair man  basing my views on established facts and documents - the US Biden Government was set against any peaceful settlement of the Ukraine issue and sabotaged everything that could result in a peaceful settlement in the Ukraine.

There can be two reasons the USA Government  wanted war in Ukraine - and both are issues that involve the Biden Administration and politicians on both sides of the USA political Divide.   The one issue is a long history of leading USA politicians involvement  in corruption in Ukraine and the fact is the War opened space for further corruption in Ukraine through kickbacks  - an example being the FTX scandal where the US transferred  $1 billion in aid to Ukraine and the Kiev Government invested the money in FTX - from where  $70 million taxpayer money went to the Democratic Party - the rest of the $5 billion invested in FTX  vanished into thin air.   In any event politicians like Biden, Pelosi, Schiff and Clinton were up to their necks involved in Ukraine corruption and they would not allow any government in Ukraine that would not do their bidding in Governance.    

The second reason is the fact that everything the Biden Administration touched in the USA has turned into shit and Biden is desperate to use the war to improve his image in the USA.    So what came out of that Administration is routinely based on lies and distortions.                                    



Mar 21, 2023, 18:02

Yes they were issuing warnings, because Biden wanted to avoid looking like a fool. We all know that. But it wasn’t until February the Intelligence Community became convinced he was going to invade,  and still,  many believed he was bluffing. 

Case closed.

 
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