“They shot a girl!” someone yelled as the crowd ran out of the southeast entrance.
If this was the other side the nation would have been at a standstill today. Does Babbitt, an Iraq was veteran, matter less than others who have died at the hands of law enforcement? Apparently.
Do stupid criminal acts and thats the risk you run. Only a retard would think what she was doing carried no risks.
No mention of the innocent cop that was just doing his job and was murdered I see, his life not worth anything to you obviously since he was killed by your side.
My sympathies are with him and his family not the criminal.
I see double standards are alive and kicking with you snowflake
Oh you mean criminal acts like shooting a taser at the police and running away? There is no evidence I have seen that this woman was a danger to anybody.
The policeman who died is a hero, but that is widely acknowledged in this case....the woman who died apparently deserved her death....that was an act worthy of being shot. Sader obviously thinks so.
I’m just wondering why if police shootings are a concern, it’s not a concern in the case of this woman who served her country on foreign fields.
‘A law enforcement official told NPR that Babbitt was unarmed’.
The double standard is disgusting .
"The double standard is disgusting."
Indeed...compare this incident to George Floyd...or the bloke who got shot during the riots...I actually saw footage of Babbit being shot...looked like cold bloody murddr to me. It wasn't a stray bullet. She was shot point blank while climbing through a window. If she was black and from the left, America would be up in flames.
You're a sad pair of fools.
Are you're still more boring than a queue.
"You're a sad pair of fools."
I uppose you are with Sader? - She had it coming? What was she thinking climbing through that window?...she sure as well was put right back into her place, right? Her kind should put up and shut up!
I cry for every life lost...lefties AND right-wing-rednecks the same...we are all being played...but I suppose Only Black Lives Matter?
WTF is wrong with the world? Can't anyone see this isn't even close to normal? Orwell anyone?
Please explain to me how this girl's life is worth so much less than Floyd's.
Explain yourself Blob ....if you have the guts, you usually cut and run. Why should the concern that Draad and I have that this woman was needlessly shot qualify us as a ‘ sad pair of fools’.
We are racist rednecks.
I thought the point of the thread was to highlight the difference in coverage of the killings.
Floyd was a martyr and Blake was a hero...and according to the media a great stain on America when they were killed.
How is CNN covering her death?
Is she also a hero and also a martyr?
I have not been watching the news but my spider sense says that words like terrorist, violent protester and insurrection where probably used.
What if a POC was killed while trying to burn down the courthouse in Portland? Hero or terrorist?
You already know the answer.
And that answer tells you plenty about why Trump is supported and why the on ly fool here is the ever bland Lego Blokkie.
So all the protestors trying to breach the capital or trying to get into the White House in the summer deserved to be shot, regardless of whether they were threatening anybody at the time. Well that’s a novel point of view.
Explosive devices, hangman nooses and a range of weapons were found on people. Some of them were chanting for Mike Pence to pay etc.
Who knows at the time which ones were peaceful protestors and which ones were not.
Especially if someone is trying to get into the building through a broken window.
Your logic would justify many acts of violence by authorities that have been rightfully condemned.....Tiananmen Square and Sharpeville for example.
I'm in total agreement with Crusader & Saarkie ........ eulogizing the death of a rioter who was involved in the violent siege on Capitol Hill whilst virtually ignoring the cowardly murder of a heroic cop ..... that's sad.
But calling mozart & Draad fools was wrong, I apologise ........... ' one-eyed bigots' is probably a better match.
Violence by the police and army can be investigated afterwards.
They are under instructions to secure the building and remove any threat from it.
Minimum and only necessary force is the modern view. To me Blob’s and your indifference to this veteran’s death is simply because she’s white and a Trump supporter.
Most on the right condemned Floyd’s death and that of the taser shooter. A drug user who had threatened a pregnant woman with a knife vs a veteran who served her country on a dangerous tour of duty. But conservatives saw the principle involved with Floyd .....I have heard no voices questioning the security people in this instance.
‘We have come so Congress can do the right thing, to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard’
Noted Blob...really sorry you feel that way.
Shark, both the policeman and Babbit's were tragic unnecessary deaths....and totally unjustifiable.
I never said her death was justified, just pointing out that there are risks forcing your way into a (supposedly) secure government building defended by armed police (who's live were obviously under threat by the fact there were injuries and a death).
Why wasn't snowflake pointing out why isn't America burning because the cop was murdered, maybe because he supports her side so she was justified in her illegal actions where the nasty policeman was stopping her god given rights to break the law?
Ever heard of excessive force?
Don't be sorry that he swallowed the blue pill.
These twits are only to happy to soak themselves in white guilt.
It makes them feel superior to you when they attempt to take the moral high ground as defined by the MSM tailpipe that they can't stop sucking on.
Stand up for yourself. You know what you think in this regard, and so do I.
None of us support excessive force by C ops and we all hate Cops being killed too. Blo and his pals only try to make you feel like you're a biased bigot because it's their only refuge.
They choose moral arrogance over logic. Don't stand for it.
All I can say is Plum is Fuck off you moron, I don't have any white guilt to soak in.
Always find it amusing with you ultra right twats, if anyone steps off the party line by an inch then you are automatically a leftist pinko liberal supporter. Take beeno for example if you say one thing bad or make a joke about his god Chump then you are a democrat end of story.
For your info I am and have always voted for the right I just dont lean as far as you lot as I like to remain standing , you lot are so far right your permanently laying down.
Animals... This video appears to show the moment she was shot. (While trying to break a door down).
Don't bother getting up Buttplug.
CFan put you down so hard on your weak little arse that it would just be embarrassing if you even tried to get up, Stupid, predicatable dolt!
I despise Bozo more than any person I know and I don't call myself a leftie. I may be very green politically (Trumpanzees actually call that red) but I have many conservative qualities and beliefs.
I don't read or listen to any MSM. I used to enjoy following Bozo on Twitter (until the conceited and stupid buffoon got permanently banned - Jack 1575, Bozo 0) because there were so many great memes and hilarious put-downs but I still enjoy winding up Trumpanzees on Baboon-ou's favourite sites like the Gateway Pundit. I get both sides of the story . . . and trust me, websites like Breitbart, InfoWars, Gateway Pundit and the Echo are nothing short of pathetic . . . and anyone reading any of that delusional garb age and believing it or repeating it as if it's not just ultra-right propaganda is a fool in my book.
You get a real sense of how small-minded and brainwashed people like Baboon-ou, ButtPlug, Moffie, AJH, the Squeaky Toy and the other Trumpanzees are now as their idol and cult leader self-destructs to the extent that he's going to be the first "president" to be impeached twice and he may not complete his term (how great would that be) and these Kool-Aid swigging troglodytes have still not conceded defeat for Bozo, let alone the fact that the "rigged" or "stolen" election was the figment of Bozo's injured pride and naked narcissim and only believed by the most loyal of Trumpanzee cult members . . . the kind that would actually take Bozo's advice and storm the Capitol, then get photographed carrying Nancy Pelosi's stand . . . and then try sell it on Ebay. That's the level of intelligence we're dealing with here.
Only stupid people could have swallowed all Bozo's bullshit and some Trumpanzees are starting to realize it . . . but can't admit it because they'd be admitting they're stupid. Too hilarious for words.
Bozo leaving the White House in the most embarrassing, humiliating and predictable manner possible . . . while his Trumpanzees stand there with drool dripping from their slack jaws . . . not sure whether to admit they were suckers or to defend Bozo's latest disgusting behaviour.
Even repulsive cowards like Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham have finally gotten it . . . heck, even Mike Pence has finally seen through the bluster, the lies and the greedy self-serving nature of the world's biggest loser.
But clearly Trumpanzee zealots like Moffie, ButtPlug and the Squeaky Toy still don't get it.
I tend not to follow people I don't like nor do I make post after post about them.
But then, I've never been consumed with unadulterated envy.
Who knows, perhaps it's par for the course.
‘Get what’ you left leaning robot. You have been programmed from birth to hold the positions you hold. Before birth actually....right back to the little Welsh mining town your family escaped from. Anti English, anti authority....a left wing pawn.
So what are these right wing views I hold:
1 One human/one vote.
2 Free Speech
3 Zero discrimination because of color
4 A helping hand for those have fallen on hard times.. .not just from the government from me personally at more than 10% of my income.
5 Merit based and compassionate immigration but secure borders.
6 Respect for the police in the dangerous work they do.
7 Deploying the military only when it’s absolutely necessary.
8 Fostering capitalism as the best way to lift all boats.
9 A fair tax system which doesn’t tax income more than 40%....short term capital gains in the US which is what the left wants you to pay if you sell your house at a profit, taxes income at 46% with no offset for inflation.
10 A respect for the dignity of all people, not on a piece of paper, but in your life....with everybody you meet, especially those who make your life easier.
11 Gun ownership should be totally limited to sports equipment, no concealed weapons sold and certainly no automatic weapons.
12 All kids should grow up in families or extended families. No kid should be allowed to make a ‘sexual choice’ before they are at a responsible age.
13 Everybody should get taken care of when they are sick and have access to healthcare. That happens today and could be further improved if the legal excesses driving out of line US medical costs are curtailed.
There are many other principles but that’s a start. Trump has had a massively successful presidency in all the things that you can measure......jobs, wealth, border control, the ME, protecting military lives, the courts, vaccines....everything that’s concrete and actionable.
But he never won over half the country and in an election that was on a knife edge the Dems mail in voting tactics and the fact that half the country still believed the Russian lie, did him in. He lost the election many times.....in the press conferences on the virus and in the first debate where he was tone deaf for example.
And his failure to get re-elected underlines the old principle that once you are a leader, you have to be a leader of your whole constituency.
So we move on and the country will adjust, but it will remain the USA. The almost 50/50 vote shows despite the loud right and left wings.....the control rests in the middle.
Indeed, I just can't understand why more people can't see it...and the rabid hatred for the man...it's not dislike, it's pure, unadulterated hatred.
"I despise Bozo more than any person I know and I don't call myself a leftie."
I love the way these Germans and Austrians whose fathers our fathers fought to save decency are now lecturing us.....in the most juvenile terms. Face it Arnold couldn’t pass Matric.
I despise Trompie & I don't call myself a leftie either......... in fact during my lengthy residence in NZ (on the occasions that I chose to vote) I've never voted for the current ruling Labour Party..... if I lived in the UK my vote would be probably be Tory. Vok, I was never allowed to vote in SA, but I'm blue ....WP QPR MaggieT Dems.
Question for Trompie's fan club........... what's paramount, GOPism or Trumpism ?
Ja, & as an aside, as auntie AngelaM said, ' the times when we could completely rely on others are , to an extent, over.'
The US & their allies have dodged a bullet getting rid of this muppet.
Well that would be a good thing. The US had to rescue Europe from the Nazis and then they had to protect the next generations of Germans from Russia for 45 years. One would imagine that might be worth a little gratitude, but now that there is no longer an overt threat there apparently is a lot wrong with America.
"Question for Trompie's fan club........... what's paramount, GOPism or Trumpism ?"
Neither. I'm a Libertarian at heart. I didn't like Trump, but the totalitarian fascist opposition of the far left opened my eyes to a few things. He was never given a fair chance. Total impediment since day one...the Hate told a story of its own.
Hell, before 2016, I didn't follow US politics at all. I thought Bill Clinton and Obama were good presidents...and I disliked Bush1...I say again, it was the way the left opposed Trump that turned me against them. I despise bullies.
In that case you should also despise Christianity then as well? They have bullied the world for centuries or is it only some bullies you despise and the ones you agree with you don't count as bullying?
It might be time for you to admit that you are having serious reservations about being an atheist.
Come over to the agnostic club bud...we're much happier people.
No thanks Plum, more than happy being an Atheist,
I dont know if there is a god or not but I am 99.9 9% certain that the christian god does not exist.
Welcome, you're on the agnostic spectrum haha
No I am an atheist as I do not believe a god exists. I am just not claiming its a fact that no god exists. You as an agnostic are just sitting on the fence.
If you do not believe there is a god then you are an atheist.
s o you claiming back that 0.01% then?
More evil has been committed in the name of Christianity than in the name of the Devil...Christianity should be more about turning the other cheek than about an eye for an eye...so I despise the atrocities committed in the name of Christ even more than those done by heathens.
I'm also angry about injustices perpetrated over the years, but I don't hate God or the idea of a god for something humans did.
In the end it's about a choice between Good and Bad...and if it's bad, it's not from God...know them by the fruits they bear...Order vs Chaos...the Old War.
PS, I'm not the one who dragged religion into the discussion.
"you can ruin neighborhoods of homes and businesses, and you can take down historical statues
Think your confused Plum, being an Atheist is not saying a god does not or cannot exist I just BELIEVE that no gods exist .
You as an agnostic just say you don't know and are to scared to say either way in case you are wrong. So are you an agnostic atheist (lean towards no god) or an agnostic theist (lean towards there is a god) ?
Draad yet you believe in the god of the bible that murders millions of people, The god of the bible is bad, in fact he is what anyone would call pure evil.
PS it was me that dragged religion into this discussion
Indeed, agnosticism is a complete cop-out for weak fence-sitters. No surprise to see ButtPlug in that corner.
The Squeaky Toy is just a very stupid person who parrots the few bits and pieces that he reads on his alt right websites and actually understands.
The alleged god of the old testament was a powerful presence if the scriptures are to be believed. Yes he could be a bit genocidal but he at least made things happen even if they were almost Trump-like in their conceit and self-importance (Just read the first 5 commandments) and he was a god to be feared with all his smiting of entire tribes and his raining down fire and brimstone on cities. People knew he was there. That god is either dead or an impostor has taken his place because this current god (indulging the delusional fantasy that there is one at all) just turns the other cheek and ignores people burning his churches and killing his people . . . while giving us a pandemic to deal with at the same time as a certified moron is in the most powerful position in the world.
I'm an atheist. The very idea of a benevolent "supreme" being who would allow so much evil is a bridge too far for me. He's either "supreme" as he claims but he doesn't care about evil, pandemics and poverty or else he does care about th ose things and is too weak to do anything about it.
It's one of the two.
Christianity was a vast moral advance on any religious views existing at the time. Christianity hasn’t always been implemented in the same spirit. But the role Christianity plays today is largely benign, catholic priests aside.....education, medicine, food. Would all these acts of charity be forthcoming absent the religious motivation? Very doubtful, burying oneself in a hellhole like Rwanda takes great courage and conviction.
So admitting that you don't know when you in fact don't know, is weak.
Instead, be strong and assume that human consciousness is the apex. Assume there is no greater and that, even if there was, you would be able to wrap your recently chimp brain around it. Always demand proof, because it will you help to avoid considering possibilities that you fear.
In a universe that we've barely explored beyond our atmosphere and where we haven't yet discovered the smallest particle. Where the smartest physicists can't make up their mind about the nature of reality and where the math tells us that we're probably infants within cosmic society.
Don't believe in a God because it's too mystical but certainly take the unexplainable quantum reality, upon which your reality is built, very seriously. Don't worry about the fact that physics keeps revealing more and more that the universe is likely created.
Believe what you like, RooiCommie.
I'll be on this fence forever...and a day.
PS This statement kinda reveals your philosophical ineptitude: "The very idea of a benevolent "supreme" being who would allow so much evil is a bridge too far for me."
I know you won't, but if you're citing earth's evils and human suffering as a reason to exclude a God from your worldview, perhaps reading some Kundalini teachings on the nature of life might help. Ja, not gonna happen...I know.
Netso Plum! He's an Atheist because he hates the idea of a god and the accountability that might come with that. "Do what thou wilt" out the window.
I am an Atheist because your religion (in fact all religions) is complete nonsense.
I struggle to understand how a 5 year can think its real let alone a adult.
I could say you are just a christian because you are a coward and cannot face the fact that when you die you cease to be.
I could say your just a christian because you are gullible fool
I could say you are a christian because you were indoctrinated into it
I could keep on making shit up just like you if you want.
I do not hate the idea of a god I simply do not believe there is one as I have seen no evidence that such a being exists.
I think your biggest problem is you hate the fact people think your religion is bullshit and your an idiot for believing in fairy tales so you have to come up with reason why they dont believe otherwise it is raises huge doubts about your religion
Let's start with your first point.
"I am an Atheist because your religion (in fact all religions) is complete nonsense."
How do you know?
Easy question should ha ve an easy answer...
Wasn't talking to you Sader...but I sense anger in your response all the same...
" I could say you are just a christian because you are a coward and cannot face the fact that when you die you cease to be. "
That would have it been way easier ...the path is narrow and hard...a struggle actually....your way is much simpler...no consequences actually...but let's leave it at that...we're way off topic. We both have our views and won't change our minds by discussing it here...