Covid jab. 

Why at this late stage with all the evidence are people still taking the deadly jab. 

My wife has a relative who is on her 5th booster shot and is now going for a flu shot. My wife has warned her but is ignored. This relative wants to be safe to travel from Melbourne to the UK. 

We are concerned she may die. 

Sadiq Khan suffers heart attack.

Is this the latest conspiracy being promoted on 4Chan and other alt-right sites?

Give 5 million people a lollipop today.....

In the next 12 days.... see how many of these 5 million people have any kind of medical issue.

Then blame the lol lipop

The numerous deaths and severe adverse events are now well documented. Glad to see the lawsuits dropping. They must jail these genocidal maniacs. 

I see WHO is warning of a new more deadly virus coming. They are probably nearing completion in creating it. 

Then it's onto another deadly vaxx and forcing everyone to get a digital ID linked to a social credit card and your bank account etc. The first Plandemic failed to achieve this so try again. 

WHO of course wants to take total control of the response to any Plandemic in the countries of the world. They would decide on vaxx, forced of course, lockdowns to destroy economies etc masks to destroy health etc and all the failed BS we saw in round 1

Anybody still denying the millions of deaths and adverse reactions is an ignorant dope or a blatant liar. 

It's all over the internet so it's difficult to believe anybody but the most ignorant could not know. 

But it's not a lolipop...it's an experimental medical treatment without long term trials..first time in history.

"Then it's onto another deadly vaxx and forcing everyone to get a digital ID linked to a social credit card and your bank account etc"

I have no words......

"But it's not a lolipop...it's an experimental medical treatment without long term trials..first time in history."

And your point is.....

Is it not obvious?

The only thing that is obvious is that the Squeaky Toy is a dull-witted, insignificant bore who has no opinions of his own and just parrots the latest person that he is sucking up to.

The conspiracists don't want to live in reality, so like an ostrich putting its head in the sand, they refuse to face reality. 

Foeitog! what a half-witted response Ru dehole, put in more effort next time.

". . . put in more effort next time."

Trust me Squeaky Toy, that was more effort than you're worth . . . as is this response.

Someone farted louder on the London Underground Tube station, it must be the Covid vaccine. They are expected to die later, along with anyone else who breathed in the fart... It is difficult times...

Is it not obvious?

Actually no it isn't.....

The facts of both examples are...... my success rate in trying to tie that lollipop to any of those deaths amongst the 5 million people that I referred to..... is exactly on par with your success rate in trying to tie the vaccine to any deaths of those same 5 million people.

You see.... all those deaths could actually have been legitimately from natural causes... but it's just harder for you to blame a lollipop.... and much easier to blame a perfectly safe vaccine

Is that not obvious...?

Edit:

I am not singing the vaccine's praises at all... far from it.... in fact I didn't want the vaccine at all, I was totally against it.... and I held off from getting it for a very long time......but I ended up taking it when far too many people close to me died after getting Covid.....but I am tired of almost every single current ailment, health scare, heart problem, lung problem, respiratory problem and deaths being blamed on the vaccines..... when all these exact same natural health issues were all there.... long before the vaccines came.

Everyone who died after the taking the vaccine was also breathing oxygen shortly before they died. There must be a link!

"Everyone who died after the taking the vaccine was also breathing oxygen shortly before they died. There must be a link!"

Oh fuck......

I don't know about everyone else but all my relatives ( mostly 80 plus) have  no issues. I don't know anyone that has even the slightest side affect from taking the jab.

Myself I have had 3 shots..

 without the slightest issue, when I got covid I have had worse colds.

All this so called stats that the conspiracy keep quoting I should know many people that have died or suffered badly from covid.

Either I am the luckiest man alive or your God loves me so much he has spared all my relatives and friends from popping their clogs because I am special.

Sorry beenshit but the odds are so strongly against your rants I just can't  swallow your obvious bullshit.

You continue to live in your land of fantasy but the rest of us will continue to laugh at you stupidity.

Good point CrusadersFan.

If one has a bad day, they can always console themselves that it could be worse - they could be Beeno or part of his tribe...

My ex mother in law contracted covid during her cancer treatment if anyone was going to suffer I thought it would be her she sailed  through it and lasted 4 months longer than any of us expected.

And she had 3 booster shots, if anyone was going to have an issue surely it would be her.

I know that this is just one example but still according to the insanity you post she should have shuffled of long before the cancer got to her .

I know you will just ignore such examples because it doesn't fit with your insanity but there is nothing I can say or any facts that I could put in front of you to save you from your insanity, unfortunately you are so far down the rabbit hole there is no saving you unfortunately  your insanity has been ingrained before you had any hope of escaping your indoctrination. Hopefully you kids do not suffer the same fate.

I'm not saying the vaccines caused significant side effects or deaths, I'm saying we have no long term data to evaluate how safe or not safe it is/was...it's barely been 2 years. What I do know is that any minor opposition to covid shots were shouted down immediately...and we do know that many people had serious reactions to the vaccine...some people are of opinion that it saved many more lives and it was worth the risk...good, I'm just glad it's not mandated anymore.

I know that my sample is miniscule compared to the total number of people on this planet but surely the odds of everyone I know that took the shot (I only know of 1 family that refussed them)  having no issues is astronomical compared  to the BS that beenshit is spreading.

Sorry but beenshits claims defy everything I am seeing and as such I put them in the same camp as all the other insanity he posts.

Beenshit if you can give me half an explanation to why this is so I am listening

Can't be sure but I got my first Vax in Jan 2020, that's 3.5 years ago and my father, aunts and uncles got it before me (my old man is 90 next year) and all my aunts and uncles are well past 80. Why have they as the most vulnerable had no issues whats so ever?

Beenshit can sprout whatever nonsense he likes but as far as I am concerned his"facts" seem beyond the realms of possibilities as far as I can see.

Would be interested to know if anyone is in a different position to me (excluding the conspiracy nuts who have proved time and again that they spew nonsense) 

I am sure beenshit will make up some bullshit to further his cause but there are enough on here that have proven themselves  to give an honest answer which holds a lot more weight that the few that are happy to lie to others to further their insanity (you know who you are and should be ashamed of yourself)

"I'm saying we have no long term data to evaluate how safe or not safe it is"

Yep, but it still does not dispute the facts of what I said.....

"and we do know that many people had serious reactions to the vaccine"

You do.....?

What serious reactions have been directly proven to be attributed to the vaccine..?

I do know of the many minor side effects of having the vaccine.....which is 100% completely normal, and is the way that the body's immune system is mounting a protective reaction to the foreign entity .... the vaccine

As I said, how do you not know that those people who had serious issues or died after taking the vaccine, would not have had those exact same issues..... or died naturally..... without having taken the vaccine.....you don't... and you can't. 

I have to correct  myself.it was more likely jan 2021. Still 2.5 years and not one side affect.

Sorry if I did get that wrong

Fuck him, if it was the jab or not is neither here nor there.

"What serious reactions have been directly proven to be attributed to the vaccine..?"

You're not serious right? You don't know of any? What would you rate as serious? Plum's sudden headaches? Eric Clapton's loss of his ability to play? People have died as a direct result...So you just ignore things you don't like? Are you aware that there's a fund in South Africa to claim for vaccine injuries?

And you know it's only been 2 odd years. ..what about over 15 years...what if it increases your risk for cancer or heart disease by only 10% over the next 10 years? Is that an acceptable risk for you? But maybe it's 30%...or not...maybe nothing happens...that's the point we don't know...that's the reason for long term trials...to find out...it's plain stupid to vaccinate 90% of people in the low risk groups without knowing the long term risks...yet the powers that be saw it fit to mandate it...people lost their jobs when they refused...but nooo, nothing to see here.

The vaccinations played a crucial role in building herd immunity. They played a crucial role in reducing the severity of Covid. If there were obvious correlations between the vaccination and general population deaths, they would’ve been exposed….this stuff is being studied all the time.

Correlation doesn’t prove causation.

Not saying it is significant, but ignoring the negatives isn't helping either...in the end Omicron was more successful than the vax...but the vax gave us enough time till omicron's arrival...still see no reason why young healthy people were forced to vaccinate.

SB

Had to laugh at your comment.  Has Biden ever travelled on the London Underground.   He is a farting specialist and his only foreign policy achievement was farting before royalty.     Mind you he could not go to the coronation because he would disturb the process by loud farting - so he sent his wife.

Beeno 

The next virus would not come from the Wuhan - it would cause a world war on its own.   So where would the extra-strong virus come from?    How about the biolabs the USA Goernment is operating in Ukraine?   Then they can blame the Russians for releasing the virus?      

CF 

I took the first shot - no negative effects.   The second shot was different and caused problems like pains in the am and neck and blurring of my eyesight - so I decided not to take another one.   

I have no problem with the concept - I have a problem with the politic lies attached to the vaccine. The claims that vaccine people would not be infected and would not spread the virus were BS.             

"You're not serious right? You don't know of any? What would you rate as serious? Plum's sudden headaches?"

Oh stop it man......

The most common pain reliever in the world, Paracetamol, which is in our Panado and many other different brands around the world like Tylenol, Panadol, Alvedon.... also has side effects, and here is just "some" of them

Trouble breathing and talking

Swelling of the throat, mouth, tongue and whole face

Bleeding or peeling skin and mouth ulcers

Tightness in the chest

Bruising, bleeding, tiredness

Skin rashes, hives

Liver problems, weight loss

Despite these very "serious" side effects, millions of people still use these products every day...

"people lost their jobs when they refused...but nooo, nothing to see here"

"still see no reason why young healthy people were forced to vaccinate"

This is where you and I do agree...

still see no reason why young healthy people were forced to vaccinate"

I remember being told that if infected most laaities experience mild symptons etc, nae bother

BUT problematic when they pass it on to oupa who's already battling with all sorts health issues.

"BUT problematic when they pass it on to oupa who's already battling with all sorts health issues."

Ja, I know that was the story but it didn't prevent them from spreading it...time and nature solved the problem.

BB

Now lets get this straight - you apparently believe and was told by the media to believe that vaccines do prevent people from getting infected by COVID and that vaccination prevented infection from being spread to other individuals by infected vaccinated people.   Both the above has been exposed as total BS.    Vaccines has been stated as reducing the level of infection and potentially could prevent deaths provided the infected persons do not suffer from other morbidities like blood pressure problems, heart problems and overweight to name a few.     So if any kid get infected  he is about as lethal with or without vaccination.     

"and potentially could prevent deaths provided the infected persons do not suffer from other morbidities like blood pressure problems, heart problems and overweight to name a few"

This is 100% correct, I do believe that the vaccine saved millions of lives

I am not saying the vaccine is perfect

I am not saying that there aren't, or won't be any future side effects..

I am saying that I do believe that without the vaccine, millions of more people would have died.

"SCIENCE, Draad, SCIENCE. Or more accurately, the WHO's science. The New Religion. There was absolutely zero reason for mass vaccinations. None. Doesn't make medical sense, doesn't make scientific sense."

Oppas Pakie, you'll be ac cused of being religious!

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Just as an aside - coronaviruses were discovered in the sixties. By April 2020, no working vaccine had ever been produced to combat coronaviruses, largely because of how quickly these viruses mutate and change and the difficulty of handling respiratory infections in this way.

60 years, nothing.

A few months later - multiple vaccines that are "safe and effective".

"Plum's headaches" are just one side effect.

The other is frequent chest discomfort.

Taking everything into account, the doctors agree that the the most likely cause of my change in health was the vaccine.

In second place they rate that Covid itself could have caused it but the fact there I hadn't have COVID at that point yet(not to my knowledge) combined with the headaches and chest issues starting on the day I got the jab...the Jab is the most likely cause.

I wish I'd never have taken that damn thing. If I don't work out regularly then my heart rate is is in the low hypertensive rage already. I think the jab may have pushed things over the edge.

DA, your point about side effects is taken but a runny stomach and cardiovascular issues aren't quite in the same league, if you know what I mean?

Sure, it's anecdotal and I'm probably in the minority. However, I won't be taking any more jabs and I'll be discouraging everybody else from allowing rushed versions of vaccines to be pushed on them.

I'll be willing to renegotiate when things get to zombie apocalypse levels.

Stav...ever with the woke reasoning.

Do tell us more about the "breathed air on the day he died" logic and do some mental gymnastics to convince us it's not the cheap employment of yet another of your false equivalencies.

...and go!!!

"However, I won't be taking any more jabs..."

Same here Plum

I do still believe that the vaccines saved a lot more lives..... but I am not in favour of how rushed it was.

"DA, your point about side effects is taken but a runny stomach and cardiovascular issues aren't quite in the same league, if you know what I mean?"

My point is, that despite these possible "serious" side effects, for a very common every day drug....people are still very relaxed about taking this medication all the time, after decades of this drug being on the market.... 

So the possibl e side effects of this paracetamol, which include cardiovascular issues,,,,against the side effects of a headache from the vaccine are not quite in comparison, unless there are any other proven side effects from the vaccine.

Stav...ever with the woke reasoning.

Do tell us more about the "breathed air on the day he died" logic and do some mental gymnastics to convince us it's not the cheap employment of yet another of your false equivalencies.

...and go!

I didn't manage to catch the game this weekend. Was away.

But I will defos see it this week. Well done to Munster. It's far better for the competition to have one of your sides win this one.

Really didn't think the all-SA final previously was a good look either.

I'll be watching every Irish game at the WC too. They're easily been the most compelling side over the last 4 years. Compact, accurate...brave. Right now, if you don't like watching the Irish play then you simply don't like rugby. And you'll probably find that everyone here agrees(I hope so anyway, but we do have DDA fans on this site...IE anything is possible).

Still, what WP has been doing is exactly what I'd like to see more of in SA Rugby. Some reports I read did mention that it appeared the Stormers lost the battle of nerves. Which is the better of the battles to lose because they don't have to change too much going into next season. 

OH, I read that RG was huge. He'll also know your secrets at the WC my friend