Mainstream Media Finally Reports That Ukraine’s Only Option Is Making ‘Territorial Concessions’ to Russia To End the War – Without NATO Invitation

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Jan 01, 2025, 09:00

Yes oaks the Globalist fringe media is having to admit defeat which was always going to be the case as i and Mike have been saying. How crazy was the buffoons talk of Ukraine marching to Moscow. 


Bwahahahahahahahaha how utterly ridiculous these buffoons are!


Germany is being de-industrialized thanks to this war. The treasonous Globalist Chancellor, who is going to get the boot very soon, has been closing down their nuclear power stations while facing energy shortages thanks to this US led NATO instigated war. Recall how the US blew up Nordstream 2 etc. 


How the Globalist leaders of Germany hate and have betrayed the country. Ditto Starmer, Macron etc


As 2024 ends, the Russian Ministry of Defense Has divulged the numbers for the year – a significant result where they claim its forces ‘liberated’ 214 settlements (I say ‘conquered,’ Ukraine says ‘occupied’) in the special military operation zone in Ukraine and in the Russian Kursk region.

Some of the most significant successes of the year is the capture of the key cities of Avdeevka, Ugledar, and Selidovo.

And, as 2025 arrives, there are major ongoing sieges in Chasov Yar, Pokrovsk, Kurakhovo, among others.

The largest number of settlements that have been liberated are located in the Donetsk Region — no less than 157 cities and villages.

With the upcoming inauguration of Donald J. Trump as 47th US President, attention is focused on the possibility – probability, even – of real peace negotiations that will put this thing to rest.

Up until a while ago, the MSM was insisting on peace formulas emanating from the Kiev regime, which contradicts a basic formula of warfare – ‘to the victor, the spoils’.

The solution must logically address the conditions of the party that’s winning the confrontation – and that, of course, means Ukraine will cede land – a LOT of it.

It is calculated that Russia now controls around 20% of former Ukrainian territory – including almost all coastal areas. And it will keep it all, for starters.

Russian diplomats have made it repeatedly clear: negotiations are only possible following President Vladimir Putin’s ‘peace initiatives’.

Sputnik reported:

“Russia and Ukraine may clinch a peace deal in 2025, which could envisage Moscow retaining territories it earlier liberated, the Financial Times has reported.

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‘[Under the possible deal] Ukraine’s Volodymyr Zelenskyy will agree to de facto but not de jure Russian control of the land it currently occupies, with some land swaps, in return for European security guarantees with US support, while Ukraine’s NATO accession is ultimately put on ice. [Russian President] Vladimir Putin will calculate that European resolve will eventually falter’, according to the newspaper.”

The Sputnik report also quotes the Die Welt weekly (originally in German, behind a paywall), which stated unequivocally that ‘territorial concessions to Russia are the only option for the Kiev regime in terms of peace negotiations’.

“’Ukraine is significantly weakened militarily: troop morale is falling and the number of deserters is rising. […] Volodymyr Zelensky would be forced to give up Ukrainian territory for a ceasefire [talks]’, Die Welt pointed out.”

Trump has said that Zelensky told him that he ‘would like to make a deal’ to end the conflict.

“Putin, for his part, previously put forward initiatives for a peaceful settlement of the conflict in Ukraine, which, in particular, stipulate that Moscow will immediately cease fire and declare its readiness for negotiations after the withdrawal of Ukrainian troops from the territory of Russia’s new regions.”

There are a number of other conditions by Russia: no NATO for Ukraine, ever; demilitarization and de-Nazification; a neutral, non-aligned and non-nuclear status of the country – and anti-Russian sanctions must be lifted.









Jan 01, 2025, 10:48

So in 2024 Russian gained 4,168 square kilometers of Ukrainian territory mostly consisting of fields and small settlements. The largest size settlement it captured had a pre-war population of 31,000.

In return Russia reportedly sustained 420,000 causalities in 2024 alone, that 102 casualties per square kilometer of ground taken.


Jan 01, 2025, 12:09

I do not think the Russians should retain all the land they are occupying - it would not be an answer as Ukraine needs in the first instance a new Constittion that would guarantee human rights of all residents,    Tht wa absically the reason for oubreak of the civil war in 2014 and ltimtely to te Rusian inasion of  UKraine - oppression of Russian speaking people in Eastern and cases of war crimes by Ukraine in the cities of Odessa and Mariopol - which caused the UN to rate the Asov Battalion as a terrorist and mercenary organization,.    

In the case of the Crimea the pplation rejected the idea to ever become part of Ukaine again and in the case of the Crimea that will not orm any ae n which negotiations will eal with.

I would rathe support that Ukraine be gtting a federal system of Government based on the USA system and be divided in two "states" -  with the Central Govrnment being a limited role lnked of Foreign Affairs, Federal Taxes and Defense agaainst foreign agressors, as well as     Once such a Cnstitution is compiled and approved by the electorate in a referendum held nde international supervision.the rest of negotiations can start.

Once the nw Contitution has been approved new elections in accordnce with teh Constitution be held in terms of te enw Constitution     

*     The USA shall close all it's bio-labs activties in Ukraine and funding of such operations by the DOD shall be eliminated.

*     No people with links to the Nazi-linked Bandera movement be forbidden to hold any Government postion in future in Ukraine.

*     No memebrship of NATO by Ukraine will be allowed until the country prove they operate as a viable democratic country.    But the USA, EU and Russia shall guarantee the independence of Ukraine and soveeihnty f the Ukraine eected Government..   

*     That the USA, the EU and Russia  contribute to rebuilding of Ukraine and that private funding of repair prgrammes become part of the rebuilding process.

In essense the key decisions as to change of the Ne Ukaine Constitution should always be taken by refeendum to prevent a return to illegal and Unconstituional irregular Governance is fobidden.

I think that te USA shall try and get Russia away from the present co-oeration with China - remembe what Kisssinger plicy abandoned by the later regimes.   The US shall keep good relatonship with Rui nd prvent a Russian and Chinese alliance.    

In essense I believe the Ukraine Cnstittion of 1991 guaranteed inependence of Ukraine - S I would rather see a Constitutinal Government in Kiev and elimination of bribery ancd corruption in the country.   One condition I believe Trump would set for furher unding of Ukraine will be n audit f what happned o aid funding in he USA and who got kickbacks in the USA.   This kind of corruption has been a curse in the USA and flourished under the Obama and Biden Administrations..                

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Jan 01, 2025, 12:50

Great post Mike

One point though. It is being said Ukraine lost 600,000men dead. 

It is said that Russia loses 1 man for every Ukrainian Soldiers. This means 60,000 Russian dead. 

This makes total sense. Russia has a 10 to 1 artillery advantage with no lack of shells. Russia rules the skies re aircraft and missiles. 

Russia has far more tanks etc. 

Russia has far more troops that are well rotated and rested. All round they are far better cared for with better medical back up. 

Putin is a cautious Military leader he does not waste Russia soldiers for media wins. 

So that figure of 400,000 is hopelessly out and part of Western propaganda. 

I think Russia will gain control of of the 4 Russian speaking provinces, become a neutral country and be denazified. All this is a good outcome. 

Zelensky will retire to his 30 million dollar mansion in Florida if he escapes with his life. He knows too much and is a great threat to the US establishment. 




Jan 04, 2025, 23:08

Psalm 109.8

Jan 05, 2025, 01:50

Russia has now been fighting Ukraine longer than the Spanish civil war. What an embarrassment!

Jan 05, 2025, 08:08

Not as embarrassing as the 20 year Afghan War and he 21 year Iraq War,    Epecially not as embarassing the fleeing from Afghanistan in the middle of the night leaving billions of armaments behind and not informing their Afghan allie behind,   More embarrassing was the fact that the USA paid $67 billion to the Taliban Goverment to allow the departure left of at least 1000 US citizens stranded in Afghanistan and about 30 000 green card holders,   An absolute national dsgrace since afterwards the chaotic  Biden Administration got 125 000 Afghans into the USA with no idea about how many Afghan terrorists were amongst the so-called refugees evacuated by the Biden mal-administratioon.   

It is not the first time there were efforts to settle the peaceful settlement of the Afghan situation.   Merkel and Macron tried to reachana grement in 2015 - Macron tried again in 2022 - Turkey tied to get a ceasefire in 2022.    All of those three efforts were undemined by the US Governments under Obama and Biden.

So lets look at what the ideal solution ould be that could ensure a peadeful and lasting settlement in Ukraine:-

*    Acceptance of the fact that the Crimea would remain part of Russia;

*    Closure of all Ukraine bio-labs funded and controlled by the US Government;

*     Develpment of a new democratically based Constitution for Ukraine after the 1991 constitution was scrapped in 2014

*     Declaring that like Austria and Swizerland Ukaine becme a neutal Government with no ties to any military alliance  like NATO - while gurantees be provided by all counries to ensure he futueof the independent Ukraine be guaranteed  by all countries,   

I believe retention of parts of Ukraine by Russia is not morally justifiable and the solution should be centered around he 2015 Minsk agreement  that should remain part of a federal-based system of Govenment that would lead to a similar system as found in the USA.   That would lead to protection of Russian people in Eastern Ukraine - where their ancestors lived for centuries before Ukraine even existed as an independent country.   No more banning of churches like the Ukraine Othodox Church and speaking of Russian in public - as well a banning of Russian in Ukraine schools/   

The return of DEMOCRACY in Ukraine is an essential element that should be implemented and there should be an international agrement on rebuilding Ukraine war damaged infrstructure and housing,  in which Rusia should play a funding role as well.  

Furthermore there should be intenational co-operation to limit Government corruption in Ukraine - which is now even wrose than it was in 2014.   Any corruptin ivolving  the USA in Ukraine should be fully investigated to find out how the money was spent.    The latest effort of  Biden to send $72 billion - not authorized by Congress - to Ukraine should in particular be invesigated and criminal activitities attached to it should follow in both countries,

The myth that Ukraine will win the war against Russia with all-out military aid from he USA and that it would be followed by collapse of the Russian Government should be realized as non-achievable,.  Kissinger policy of tyng to keep Rusia to become allied to China should be re-instated,    It si very late for that to happen - but eforts to repair the damage caused by Obama and Biden to that ideal should follow before it is too late to achieve that ideal.

  


 

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Jan 05, 2025, 18:29

Seems Ukraine has launched another surprise offensive in Kursk.

Jan 05, 2025, 19:55

Onward Christian soldiers

Jan 05, 2025, 19:55

Onward Christian soldiers

Jan 05, 2025, 19:56

Onward Christian soldiers

Jan 05, 2025, 19:56

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Jan 05, 2025, 20:37

Stav 

Ukraine may try to retake some of he Kursk territory they lost - but the chances that is would be successfull isa remote.

   

Jan 05, 2025, 22:27

No the reported area that Ukraine attacked was not previously an area taken by Ukraine.

Jan 06, 2025, 11:24

They ahve been driven out of most of the area they took initiaially and was cnfined to two small areas.

HOwever, in Estern Ukraine Provorsk is now surrounded by Russian troops and that city will fall within te next week and other areas hav beenccupied oer he last thee weeks.  

So what Z elensky is tring to do is to stengthen his negotiation position in the upcoming negotiations - but it is nt clear whether that would work out.    .      

   

Jan 06, 2025, 11:30

HOwever, in Estern Ukraine Provorsk is now surrounded by Russian troops and that city will fall within te next week and other areas hav beenccupied oer he last thee weeks. 

So Pokrovsk will fall within the next week? Okay talk to you in a weeks time.

Jan 06, 2025, 11:35

BB

Milley was te one who came up with that BS - since he cmmitted high treasn d said it about TRump to try nd prevnt his re-election.   The idiot fled from his job fearing that he will face charge and he was not preapred to confirm teh BS afte Trump wins the election.   He and Pelosi concocted a plan not to execurte Trumps istructins to use the National Guard to prtect te protcol and was conducting regular conversaions with the ehad of the Chinese army - that is whee te high treason allegaions come from.

He also opposed the idea to remove the S Military equipment from Afghanistan agaist the orders of Trump and kept the instruction to move out of Sria fter the IS IS leader was killed.   So he is likely to strip from his rank and his pension will be red cued to that of n ordinmary soldier,   

In ordinary countries he would face  firing squad when he cted like he did.   He wnts continuation of was becase it ends up in looting of  taxpay money - unde him the DOD could nt ccont for what $250 billion was spen and nody knows what the mony wa spemt on.  

S his statements ae BS and is crimes consist of a long list/


Jan 06, 2025, 11:46

ouMaaik,  you're shameless............ :sick:

 
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