Putin is the best leader in the world

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Jun 04, 2021, 20:41

We westerners don't understand him because westerners were last strong under Thatcher  or 2nd world war. I respect Putin, but don't know him too well, my wifes sister in law knows his family.

He is a strong man. loves, nature and outdoors and is no crook.

Jun 04, 2021, 21:01

Putin is useless. He is another egomaniac that rules using his emotions. He is a dictator pushing nationalism like the Sputnik vaccine. 

The economy of Russia is small, and they certainly have the potential to do much better. 



Jun 04, 2021, 21:14

Putin expanded the middle class by 40mil in his early years and has turned Russia from an African level rabble into a major power. These times are far removed from the dancing Boris years, when America had Russia in the palm on their hands. The unthinking parrots of the MSM will never understand. Putin also kept the oligarchs from feasting on the country. 

Jun 04, 2021, 21:32

Listen Pumpkin pip don't comment from knowledge you know nothing about...character is in a man who really knows...most are are believers in false press...always have been. 

Jun 04, 2021, 21:32

sebastien, I'm aghast at how you can have such a view.


If I believed in a god, I'd be saying "My God" in response to these tread.

There is no other way to put it, Putin is just an evil man. He's effectively the godfather of Russia his own Mafia state, putting millions if not billions into his own coffers.

Every single time anyone appears to be even a slightest political rival to Putin, they end up in prison on charges of corruption or being "puppets of the west". This has happened at least in a half dozen elections.

As President he has changed the electoral system in Russia to keep him in power for an indefinite period of time with no term limits.

A President who's country which backed up the brutal Assad regime in Syria during its civil war.

A President of a country who invaded and annexed the territory of another another European country and fermented rebellion in the same country for it daring to drift outside its percieved sphere of influence.

A President who's country has repeatedly tried to interfere in numerous elections and referendum in numerous countries across the world.

A President who's country air force repeatedly violate the airspace of neighboring countries.

A President of a country who's agents have carried assassinations in other countries included assassinations with biological weapons.

A President who presides over a country that doesn't care for human rights or equality.

I can admit Putin has pulled off some shrewd diplomatic moves and at times out witted his opponents in the west. If you want to give him credit for that fair enough, but he's really a ghastly man that should be in one way admired. He's a bully and a thug.

Jun 04, 2021, 21:56

Compared to the West, he is a saint. The West are no longer "the good guys". You can't win this one Stav. 

Jun 04, 2021, 22:02

The west are by no means perfect and have made many mistakes and errors and yes there has been double standards when dealing with Russia in the past but for anyone to express administration for Putin, you need your head examined. He's truly a very sinister person. The world would be a very dark place if Putin was in charge of a country with the the current day power of America.

Jun 04, 2021, 23:24

Anger believes the European Union is the best leader in the world, closely followed by the Committee Called Biden.

Jun 04, 2021, 23:39

Stop trying to speak for me Moz, I'm more than capable of speaking for myself. I wouldn't know if the EU is the best leader in the world, it certainly has its flaws though I do believe its been genuinely positive for all its member states and imo its certainly leagues beyond Putin's Russia.

Jun 05, 2021, 00:20

What have the little men in Brussels done other than allow Ireland to cheat on taxes, bollox up the vaccine, fail to support NATO, destroy the future for their children through uncontrolled immigration, pander to Iran and lose the most innovative country in Europe through bigoted application of petty rules?

Jun 05, 2021, 01:53

I could easily point out how utterly ridiculous you arguments about the EU are, but what's your point? this thread is about Putin, are you trying to suggest the EU or EU member states would be better off being ruled by Putin.



Jun 05, 2021, 01:55

This from the Economist today:

In 1984 a besuited 20-something American executive on a visit to France offered Europeans a few tips for corporate success. Entrepreneurs needed to be given a second chance if they failed and government bureaucrats made for lousy investors, he told a television interviewer. His advice was sage. But European companies ruled the global corporate roost alongside those of America and, occasionally, Japan. Why should they take advice from this uppity Californian newcomer?

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Nearly four decades later the company founded by that young upstart, Steve Jobs, is worth more than the 30 firms in the German blue-chip daxindex combined. Its value is not far off that of all 40 companies in France’s cac index. Apple’s success has been notable, but it is the decline of corporate Europe that is truly striking. At the start of the 21st century 41 of the world’s 100 most valuable companies were based in Europe (including Britain and Switzerland but excluding Russia and Turkey). Today only 15 are (see chart 1).

When it comes to business, Europe used to pack a punch. In recent decades companies such as Nokia, Nestlé or bp have been among the world’s ten biggest firms by market capitalisation. Now only on occasion does Europe have a firm in the top 20 globally. In 2000 nearly a third of the combined value of the world’s 1,000 biggest listed firms was in Europe, and a quarter of their profits. In just 20 years those figures have fallen by almost half. Europe is a place for companies such as Amazon and TikTok to find customers, not a base for local firms to conquer the world.

Jun 05, 2021, 02:16

Don't dodge the question, do you think European states would be better off with Putin in charge?
Would you prefer to live in Putin's Russia or a member state of the EU?

Jun 05, 2021, 08:55

Aug, you do need to visit in the bowels of the vessel more often.

It's way more fun down here.


Jun 05, 2021, 09:14

Putin, ex KGB agent, nou net 'n gangsta . Seb, I warned you about vordka.

Jun 05, 2021, 11:48

After a bottle of Russian Vodka, even Putin is great. 

Jun 05, 2021, 12:14

    

Jun 05, 2021, 12:53

During Putin's tenure his popularity rating has ranged beween 60 to 89% of biggest country (at least land mass) in the world with hundreds of ethnic groups and despite anti russian phobia worldwide. Criminal and dishonest lying bastards such as Navalny continue to spread propaganda through youtube and twitter. He still stands tall.

People worldwide believe in lying media through sheer jealousy. 

He certainly is not without fault but  don't believe he is evil and certainly more sincere, direct  and honest than any politicians.

I really don't like any politicians but a country like Russia needs a very strong and tough leader.

Call him a benevolent despot if you like but that works in Russia...none of you understand Russia or Russian folk so please don't reproduce the garbage and anti Russian propaganda you swallow from lying media. Russia is a great country and the people are kind, hospitable, strong and highly intelligent.

Please don't talk codswallop when you never have been there.

Jun 05, 2021, 13:54

 

Jun 05, 2021, 15:59

It helps your popularity when the state state TV does little else but pump out a constant stream of propaganda and all your political opponents conveniently end up in prison and journalist who ask awkward questions just disappear.

Reporters without Borders ranks Russia 150th of 180 countries in terms of freedom of the press.

"People worldwide believe in lying media through sheer jealousy. "

Ah yes so Russia didn't invade South Ossetia, eastern Ukraine and annex the Crimea, that was all lies right. It didn't supply the missile system to rebels in east Ukraine that shot down a civilian airliner. All lies brought about jealousy.

It's also lies that they tried to assassinate Sergi Skripal and his daughter in London with a nerve agent and accidentally kill another person. That was all lies too right. The British government was clearly lying about too and hood winked all those other European countries and America who took diplomatic action in solidarity. Or may all those countries where lying too.

Germany was clearly lying when it accused Russian agents of carrying out an assassination of a Chechen in a park in Berlin. The detained suspect wasn't traveling on a valid Russian passport more lies too.

The German's where also lying when they said it was the nerve agent Novichok that was responsible for Navalny illness and so was the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons and the Lancet medical journal for concluding the same. All jealous lying bastards every last one of them.

"Call him a benevolent despot if you like but that works in Russia...none of you understand Russia or Russian folk so please don't reproduce the garbage and anti Russian propaganda you swallow from lying media. Russia is a great country and the people are kind, hospitable, strong and highly intelligent.

Please don't talk codswallop when you never have been there."

What on earth makes you think you understand Russia any better than the rest of it.
Your in no position to say anyone else is talking codswallop..

Jun 05, 2021, 16:27

Christians and Muslims like an authoritarian strong man as leader, because they are not Democratic people. They want one definitive truth, with no debate or thinking. 


Jun 05, 2021, 16:30

Well Chabal has spent a lot of time in Russia and is married to a Russian lady who appreciates Dimitri Hvorostovsky. Gives him every right to say you are just reproducing material you googled 5 minutes ago. 

Jun 05, 2021, 17:21

I was aware of all of that without googling, just checked Wikipedia for some names but so what if I did google it, is any of what I said wrong?










Jun 05, 2021, 18:05

You are more or less right as far as my preferences are Shark but I cannot speak for other people.

I've long since lost faith in so called democracies and collectivsm...and I don't have a need to apologise or feel guilty about that...the masses are incapable of ruling effectively and yes I'm radical and don't go with the flow. and prefer to be ruled by 1 Lion than a 100 Rats provided the Lion has others' interests at heart and puts his country's interests first. 

There ain't no such thing as perfect governments.

Leaders should fix their own back yards first before interfering with other countries backyards. I believe if countries just that the whole world would be a better place.

Russia is a very unique and different country and have had a gutsful of socialism in it's extreme and have learnt a hard lesson...they never want to return to that...so would you if you lived in the Soviet Union, believe me.

Jun 05, 2021, 18:06

 

Jun 05, 2021, 19:35

putin,vodka,alcohol

Jun 05, 2021, 19:37

Putin warns Ukraine


Jun 05, 2021, 19:48

Russia is one of the most vaccine-hesitant countries in the world, which may be indicative of a lack of trust in the government.


Putin certified the Russian vaccine at the end of its stage 2 trial phases. (Not completing the global standard of 3 phases). 
This was all propaganda to promote Russian superiority and his government. 
The government's head of Health stepped down because he wanted three phases to be complete for safety reasons

The WHO did not certify the Putin vaccine until long after other vaccines, so it only had a Putin certification. 

If the Russian public trusted Putin so much, why does no one trust the vaccine. 
Putin is almost certainly manipulating stats like his popularity and cheating in elections. 
If he had nothing to fear, why arrest the opposition politicians...


Jun 05, 2021, 20:14

Tit, just because you married a Russian mail-order bride doesn't make you an expert on all things Russia.

Vladimir Putin is an evil tyrant and the only good thing he's ever done is make Bozo his grovelling and subservient little bitch.

Jun 05, 2021, 20:52

There....once again you smear  another Board family member with a contemptible allegation. What a low life you are Peeper. 

Jun 06, 2021, 07:27

Moz , he insulted those family members close to you as well, so I read.

 I tell you what if he said that to my face I'd fix so good that he'd end up in hospital for  a number of weeks.

I'm not a violent type but I can handle myself. and when somebody so low insults the one I love, protect and standby, with such untruth and derogatory disrespect I'd teach him some manners.

Yes he is a lowlife and a craven. coward. To call Elena a postal bride is a huge insult and she certainly was not,, far from it...this lowlife makes assumptions on people he has never met and has zero knowledge and discernment into peoples characters. He insults out of some sick delight.

Jun 06, 2021, 10:52

There might not be a perfect government but, particularly these days, there certainly are better ways to do things.

Archaic systems of government have persisted throughout the technological revolution of the last forty years and remained largely unchanged. 

This is despite referendums and civilian involvement in governance being more feasible than ever. 

In a society where the public can vote from their phones, one has to wonder what purpose members of parliament still serve? At the very least, their scope should be drastically decreased because representative government is nowhere near as necessary as it was  fifty years ago. The technology is there and the population are able to represent themselves in most cases. 

Instead of them casting your vote for you, their job should be one of clarifying the scope and consequences of legislation in order to enable the citizen to make informed decisions themselves.

Were I to adapt the software from a dated football manager game, it would probably better manage public funds than the bankrupt South African municipalities would. 

 


Jun 06, 2021, 11:05

Russia is one of the most vaccine hesitant because they are stronger people in a country with a scientific community and base of information that is more open than the stunted, backward and intellectually bankrupt West. There's the difference. So confident in their leader are they that the Russians don't fear confrontation with the USA. What we have in the West are the rabid unthinking herd like in George Orwell's 1984. 

As per Ukraine? Who was it who overthrew the elected leader of the Ukraine, installing a neo-Nazi war criminal who brought with him more criminals? The West. Who was it who adorned their soldier's uniforms with nazi symbols? The Ukraine. Who is it who is loading the border with military hardware? Ukraine. The Ukraine is the West's proxy to pressure Russia. Yet Russia is the villain? How about Russia overthrows Trudeau, installs its own dummy leader and has Canada bolster the border with its military, launching raids into the USA. I bet that'd be taken very well by the media et al. Will Biden be depicted as the despot that he really is now? Not likely. The West has a lot to answer for, and I cannot wait for the likes of Omlett and Unterhai to receive it. I won't be waiting much longer.  

Jun 06, 2021, 11:52

You can see how low this terribly screwed up poster will go...expect more...


There is some truth I believe in what AO and Plum are writing.

Ofcourse I don't know everything about about Russia and it's leader but I've been there some long periods and made friends with students, old Russians as well. I trust what I see and experience and share views. All I can say is that they are very different from western people although they do have open minds and don't hate Americans or English people...unlike us who despise them simply because we fall victims to media that has hidden and evil agendas.

I sincerely have the view that Putin is NOT an evil man, as I remarked not perfect but he can lead and is very patriotic...perfect for a Russian leader not like 2 faced Gorbachev or drunken Yeltsin and certainly streaks ahead of old communist leaders who kept Russians in cages.

No leader in the world is this popular, comprising of hundreds of ethnic groups stretching from St Petersburg to Vladisvostok in far east.

 • Putin approval rating Russia 2021 | Statista

This is amazing 146 million people cannot be wrong...ranging from 59% at lowest to 89% at peak...now thats some leadership that you don't find anywhere else.

What media in the west portrays Navalny and the Crimean and Ukranian questions is known by most Russians is the worst of untruths, falsties and taken totally out of the correct context by those ignoramuses that know sweet fanny adams about accurate Russian history. The real problem is that they don't want the truth. 

Jun 06, 2021, 12:17

As per Ukraine? Who was it who overthrew the elected leader of the Ukraine,

The people of Ukraine. Yes they where backed by the west, but the uprising at majority popular support of the people.

"installing a neo-Nazi war criminal who brought with him more criminals?"

Hmmm because after coming under Nazi rule for about 3 years in 1941 and having millions of its population die because of it, they where just dying to bring back Nazi rule where they. Your just parroting Russian state propaganda. Everyone who is against them is a fascist/Nazi.

"Who was it who adorned their soldier's uniforms with nazi symbols?"

There is some truth to this, some who signed up to defend the country are members of neo-nazi organizations and did indeed put Nazi symbols on their helmets. However its not officially part of the Ukraine uniform. Does seem like a case that the Ukraine was willing to accept any and all volunteers who signed up to fight regardless of their background.

Who is it who is loading the border with military hardware?

What the absolute feck is this nonsense. Russia literally invaded eastern Ukraine and occupied and annexed the Crimea, and your going on about the Ukrainian's building up their military strength as if they are the aggressors. You telling me Ukraine is planing to invade Russia?

"The Ukraine is the West's proxy to pressure Russia."

The Ukraine was looking west on its own accord and was close to signing an association agreement with the EU when the Russian leaning President Yanukovych started to back track, triggering the uprising that eventually overthrew him. Ukraine population has for a long time been split between the west leaning western part of the country and the Russian leaning eastern side of the country. The west leaning side does hold the majority though and it saw the refusal to sign the deal as Yanukovych pushing the country more towards Russia which they did not want.

"Yet Russia is the villain?"

Yes they are, the literally invaded another country. Next thing you will backing up Putin's line about Poland being at fault for being invaded by the Soviet Union in 1939.


Jun 06, 2021, 13:36

To get some understanding about Ukraine question you should read Mikhail Bulgakov novel Bela Garda (The White Guard).

Ukraine (means outskirts of something big) belongs to Russia, period. Before the USSR it was a land of nomadic "Dukes" with the Kiev being the main area controlled by Russia. During the Soviet Union Lenin formed a republic of Ukraine...the White Army fighting the Red Army and a lot of white russians were forced out. The question was made worse during Khrushchev whose wife was from region.

The communists made it a republic (as with other regions in USSR) but it always formed part of the bigger Russian Empire.

The only reason the Ukraine was become an issue is the USA and EU fear Russia and want it under their influence for strategic reasons...rather like Britain did not want the Falkland Is lost to Argentina ...but the Ukraine with bases on Blacksea is even more important.

That's the bottom line and the real truth.

Jun 06, 2021, 14:30

If you look at the population size of Russia, they are a big country. 
Their economy is relatively small for their population size.
Per capita is also very low. 

Spain and South Korea are ranked nearly the same as Russia but have a third of the population. 

Looks like a country that relies a lot on natural resources, instead of a developed 1st world country. 
Dictatorships stagnate quickly, and just do not work. 

All Democracies are doing their best- except for China and India that have massive populations. 


RankNameGDP Per CapitaPopulation
1United States$66,678332,915,073
2China$10,7101,444,216,107
3Japan$43,597126,050,804
4Germany$49,54883,900,473
5India$2,3381,393,409,038
6United Kingdom$42,91568,207,116
7France$43,95965,426,179
8Italy$34,62960,367,477
9Brazil$9,638213,993,437
10Canada$48,13738,067,903
11South Korea$34,00051,305,186
12Russia$11,428145,912,025
13Spain$32,02646,745,216
14Australia$57,44725,788,215
15Mexico$9,963130,262,216
16Indonesia$4,374276,361,783
17Netherlands$55,60617,173,099
18Turkey$9,51985,042,738
19Saudi Arabia$22,35635,340,683
20Switzerland$84,9878,715,494
21Poland$17,01937,797,005

Jun 06, 2021, 14:50

It is clear communism is about globalization where the whole world is under one communist system. The Soviet Union failed, but Putin and the gang are trying to reestablish it. 

Is Ukraine independent of Russia?
With the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, Ukraine became an independent state, formalised with a referendum in December 1991.

History of Ukraine - Wikipedia

Jun 06, 2021, 15:53

When will you socialists learn, it’s not dictatorship  that has limited the Russian economy.....it’s the long absence of capitalism. Just as China’s economy only emerged when capitalism arrived and Walmart created China.

Communism and it’s sibling socialism are a disaster for humanity. Yet Europe and the Committee called Biden are hell bent to try it again.

Jun 06, 2021, 16:25

Expert Information on Ukraine from Wikipedia...LOL.

Jun 06, 2021, 16:29

Communism is a political and "economic" system. 

True Communism has no private property.  

So, China and Russia have "watered" down communism with capitalism because they allow private property. 

The politicians want Communism so they can stay in power, but they realize the economic system of capitalism is better. 

Democracy and Capitalism go hand in hand. Competition and choice... relative truth. 
That means "not" a one-party state with one media.  Having lots of political parties and media is part of Democracy. 

Still, these Communist countries have improved by adding capitalism, but the Democratic countries have the best per capita- using Democracy and Capitalism. 
What are the characteristics of a communist economy?
Characteristics of Communist System
  • Abolition of Private Property.
  • Collective Ownership of Means of Production.
  • Central Planning.
  • Elimination of Unfair Gaps in Incomes.
  • Provision of Necessaries of Life.

Jun 06, 2021, 22:22

Seb take a drive to Soweto and sort out our hero from Wales.

Put a boot in for me as well.


 
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