Putin Previews latest Nuclear Bomb - Satan version2

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Apr 21, 2022, 00:46



Vladimir Putin on Wednesday night boasted that he had unleashed the first successful test of a new nuclear missile known as "Satan II", which carries a dozen warheads and could be used to strike enemies around the world.

The "superheavy" 200-tonne intercontinental ballistic missile was a "present to Nato", according to the Kremlin, and would make Moscow's enemies "think twice".

Putin's sabre-rattling came at a moment of extreme geopolitical tension, coinciding with the first days of the next phase of Russia's eight-week old war in Ukraine as its troops began their assault on the eastern Donbas region.

On Wednesday night, Boris Johnson said it was hard to see how Ukraine could negotiate with Putin at this point in the conflict, adding: "How can you negotiate with a crocodile when it's got your leg in its jaws?"

The new missile, officially known as Sarmat, was launched from a silo in Plesetsk, in Russia's northwest, and delivered training warheads to a test range 6,000km away in the Kamchatka peninsula.

Putin said on Russian television that it was "capable of overcoming all modern means of anti-missile defence. It has no analogues in the world and won't have for a long time to come".

The Russian president added: "This truly unique weapon will strengthen the combat potential of our armed forces, reliably ensure Russia's security from external threats and provide food for thought for those who, in the heat of frenzied aggressive rhetoric, try to threaten our country."

He has previously claimed the missile would be able to hit a target anywhere on Earth. It can be fired over either pole, creating difficulties for ground and satellite-based tracking systems.

In a statement, Russia's defence ministry said: "Sarmat is the most powerful missile with the longest range of destruction of targets in the world, which will significantly increase the combat power of our country's strategic nuclear forces."

The missile reportedly has a range of 18,000km (11,000 miles) and can deliver between 10 and 15 nuclear warheads at hypersonic speeds.

"This is probably the most destructive single weapon on earth," Ian Williams, a fellow at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies think tank, told The Telegraph. He said it "could destroy 10 cities with one missile" as the warheads it carries can be "independently targeted".

According to one military analyst, if it was based in Russia's extreme west, it could reach London in as little as 13 minutes.

Putin emphasised that the missile was made using only Russian equipment and so would not be affected by sanctions. It will be deployed at the end of the year, according to Russian news agencies.

An image from video footage released by Russia's defence ministry shows the launch of the new missile
An image from video footage released by Russia's defence ministry shows the launch of the new missile CREDIT: Russian Defence Ministry/AFP via Getty Images

Igor Korotchenko, the editor in chief of Russia's National Defence magazine, said it showed Moscow was capable of "crushing retribution that will put an end to the history of any country".

But in Washington, Jim Townsend, a former deputy assistant secretary of defence, told The Telegraph: "It's a sign of their frustration, a sign of their insecurity, more than a warning that this is going to be in our future."

Julian Lewis, the chairman of Parliament's intelligence and security committee, said: "Russia and the Western nuclear states have had the ability to annihilate each other ever since they acquired strategic nuclear bombers, followed by intercontinental ballistic missiles, over 60 years ago.

"Putin adding this new missile to his pre-existing 'overkill' capability makes absolutely no difference to the effectiveness of our Trident nuclear deterrent submarines."

The Pentagon said it had been notified of the test launch in advance. US officials sought to calm the situation, saying they viewed the test as "routine" and not a threat to America.

Kremlin insiders were said to increasingly believe Putin could resort to a limited use of nuclear weapons after devastating military setbacks in Ukraine. Insiders and business figures indicated there was no sign of him reversing course and suggested he may escalate, according to Bloomberg.

At the Kremlin earlier, the Russian president had told a group of schoolchildren that he dreamed of bringing peace to Donbas. He said: "As I have said from the very beginning, the purpose of this operation is to help people living in the Donbas, our people living in the Donbas. Just like you."

Meanwhile, Mr Johnson will have a street named after him in Ukraine in tribute to Britain's contribution to the war effort. The council of Fontanka, near Odesa, said: "The Prime Minister of the United Kingdom is one of the most principled opponents of the Russian invasion."

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In the devastated city of Mariupol, a Ukrainian commander in the besieged Azovstal steel plant issued a desperate plea for help, saying his marines were "maybe facing our last days, if not hours". 

Serhiy Volyna, from the 36th Separate Marine Brigade, said: "The enemy is outnumbering us 10 to one."

Top finance officials from the UK, US and Canada walked out of a G20 meeting in Washington when the Russian representatives spoke.

The cyber security agencies of the UK, US, Australia, Canada and New Zealand – which form the "Five Eyes" intelligence-sharing alliance – issued a joint warning about potential increased Russian cyber attacks.

Apr 21, 2022, 07:38

Will Putin use nuclear bombs against the West?   Unlikely - the attacks will probably start from the West with dementia  Biden the originator.     

By the way the devastated military setbacks in Ukraine - is propaganda and nothing more.   The original targets of the  Ukraine attacks have all been at cities and areas where the Russian ethnic population has been  in the majority and those areas have largely been taken over by the Russians - even Mariupol has fallen to them  and the hostages held by the Azov battalion released.    

By the way the Russians informed the USA about the tests of the new missiles - that is  mentioned in the article you quoted and then ignored in the rest of the story.     If they intended using it against the West there would be no such warning at all.     Read the following - maybe you will wake up to some facts for a change;-

"What was the US reaction to the test?

The Pentagon said in response that it had "not deemed the test to be a threat to the United States and its allies."

Pentagon spokesperson John Kirby said that Washington had been "properly notified" of the "routine" test as per Russia's nuclear treaty obligations. Kirby added that the test was "not a surprise."

The missile has been known to be in production for many years. The launch was carried out weeks ahead of Russia's Victory Day celebrations marking the end of World War II in Europe on May 9, which is accompanied by a military parade and other tributes to Russian veterans."

 The story originated that Russia wanted to take control of the Ukraine and re-incorporated  into the Russian Federation - that was the propaganda BS to start with.   Looking at the maps provided in the media there were zero chance of ground attacks on Kiev and the attacks are basically air attacks and missile attacks - never ground attacks.   

You can look at all the areas occupied by Russian Ground forces and they are all in areas where ethnic Russians live in Ukraine and where the 2013 election showed majority support for the then pro-Russian President at the time  - in other words where the civil war cost 18 000 lives  in areas where  the people were attacked by the Ukrainian army in the Donbas area  since  2014.      

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Apr 21, 2022, 15:23

Oh I see….all the pictures we see of destruction in Kiev and other non Donbas cities is just Western propaganda.

Apr 21, 2022, 15:33

Apparently, Russia says this bomb takes 11 minutes to travel from Russia to the furthest point in the world. 

Its tactical warhead has 16 separate nukes which can be individually targeted to different cities. 

Who would build this type of monstrosity? 

Apr 21, 2022, 15:34


Apr 21, 2022, 17:34

Mozart

You are totally misleading - I said the Russian troops did not launch a ground force attack on Kiev - they used missiles and air attacks to cause damage in Kiev and other cities.    if you do not understand that you must be ignorant  about warfare.   The USA did not want to attack Japan with ground troops - because the casualties would be massive - so they used atomic bombs against Japan.   

The propaganda machine in  the USA churn out  propaganda that the Russians want to absorb Ukraine.   Yet of you look at the maps - the area they occupied  were where ethnic Russians live.  You can compare those maps and then look at the election results of the 2013 election and see he comparison.   The people in the areas occupied by the Russians are the same areas where the people voted for the  pro-Russian President  ousted in a coup in 2014.   Nothing much else.  

       

Apr 21, 2022, 21:59

Japan attacked the USA….Russia attacked Ukraine. Spot the difference. There is no justification for Russia destroying this country just because they can do it. You are just parroting Hitler’s garbage.

Apr 22, 2022, 05:40

No Mozart - that is not what I drove at at all.   Either you deliberately change what I was driving at - or you are totally ignorant about wars.    Attacks in urban areas are always a nightmare for ground troops - even in modern times.   My reference to Japan was an example of that situation.    There has only been cities like Mariupol - where the Azov battalion has put up a desperate defense knowing that the Nazi's in that battalion will not be shown anything bar destruction if they surrender.    They will deservedly be charged with attacks on Russian speaking people lasting from  2014 to date and will be lucky to get sent to prison - most likely they would be executed for murder of thousands of people.    

Fact is I never condone the Russian invasion  Ukraine - I merely pointed out the difference between news media propaganda and factual situation prevailing in the  case of Russian speaking people living in Ukraine a a result of the Communist ideas to ensure that there are more Russians living in Ukraine than Ukrainians.    That created another Yugoslavia model that could never work and would always end up in chaos and civil wars.     .   .   .              

Apr 22, 2022, 08:08


Apr 22, 2022, 08:38

Well if tough-guy Putin's new super bomb performs as well as his military forces in Ukraine, it will land with a squelch and spit out pink marshmallows. 

Apr 22, 2022, 09:59

https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/554294-military-aid-ukraine-total-war/

https://www.rt.com/bulletin-board/news/

 

We will see who is speaking the truth in the end, be prepared for a massive wake up call.


Sep 25, 2024, 01:18

A significant setback has occurred in Russia's nuclear missile program, as the RS-28 Sarmat missile, also known as Satan-2, exploded during a recent test launch at the Plesetsk cosmodrome in Russia. This failure marks the fourth consecutive unsuccessful test of the weapon, which is touted by the Kremlin as one of the world's most powerful nuclear missiles.

The Incident

The explosion took place as the missile was being refueled, creating a massive crater at the launch site. Satellite imagery revealed extensive damage to the surrounding area, including:

  • A 200-foot wide crater at the launch shaft

  • Destruction of the test site

  • Damage to nearby roads and buildings

  • A forest fire that required response from four fire trucks

The incident likely occurred during the fueling process, as the Sarmat is a liquid-fueled missile. The explosion destroyed Russia's only site suitable for testing this hypersonic rocket, potentially delaying the program for years or even leading to its cancellation.

Implications

This failure has several significant implications:

  1. Program Delays: The test program for the Satan-2 missile may now be delayed for years due to the destruction of the testing facility.

  2. Reliability Concerns: With four consecutive failed tests, questions are being raised about the reliability of the weapon system.

  3. Strategic Setback: The Sarmat missile is considered a key part of Russia's nuclear arsenal, and this failure represents a major blow to Putin's claims of nuclear superiority.

  4. Economic Impact: Each Sarmat missile reportedly costs £38 million, making these failures a significant financial burden.

Background

The RS-28 Sarmat, or Satan-2, is a nuclear-capable intercontinental ballistic missile with the following specifications:

  • Length: 35 meters

  • Range: 11,000 miles

  • Payload: Up to 16 nuclear warheads

It was unveiled by Vladimir Putin in 2018 as a replacement for the smaller original "Satan" missile and has been a centerpiece of Russia's nuclear deterrence strategy. However, the missile has only had one successful test launch to date, which occurred in April 2022.

This latest failure adds to growing concerns about the state of Russia's military manufacturing capabilities, with some experts suggesting that it indicates serious degradation in this sector



    Sep 25, 2024, 04:55

    The fact is the weapomns have been developed and as a result Trump tore up te nuclear treaty negotiated in the 1980's because Russia was breaching the conditions.of the Treaty.   

    In the history of the world the only country in the world who used nuclear bombs in wars were the USA,     The fear in the countries antagonized through refusal to deal with issues on a negotiation basis are afraid the USA will attack them and use  nuclear weapons since other alernatives would be impossible.   

        

    Sep 25, 2024, 05:30

    Saarkie, lovely news  ................ may all their evil bombs remain duds.

    Sep 25, 2024, 22:50

    SB

    "The explosion took place as the missile was being refueled, creating a massive crater at the launch site. Satellite imagery revealed extensive damage to the surrounding area, including:

    • A 200-foot wide crater at the launch shaft

    • Destruction of the test site

    • Damage to nearby roads and buildings

    • A forest fire that required response from four fire trucks"

    • Just an easy question when did that explosion at the Plesetsk cosmodrome happen?


    Sep 26, 2024, 15:22

    SB

    No answer yet from SB  - an easy question wh=en did the accdent referred to happen,   Pleas inform us all on tha tpic.  

    Sep 26, 2024, 16:04

    Type it into Google and do your own research. It appears to have happened recently. 
    Satelite photos show that this was certainly recently - assuming the Satelite photos are real. 

    Sep 26, 2024, 16:40

    No  SB

    I googled it snd the only missile accident at that cosmodrome was in 1967  - as confirmed by satelite photos.   So the writer was taking a fat chance and you as epected fell fr it ock stock and barrell,.

    It is not possbl for any such accident not being picked up by sattelit and it would have been confirmed  by the US Government as well as the Rusian Government as well - iince it is impossible to hide such things anymore,

    So try again - it probably coem from the CIA specializing in such stories to im,py tat te new missle are farcical snfd not a hreat to the USA.  

    Best advice - fact-ccheck things before you get proven as an  branwashed imbecile. 

    I in fact decided to act-checjk eveything that people came up on site with because most are plain propaganda spread by the US Government,    The USA wants a war with Russia and they are not going to get it,

    Trump is going to put his foot down and force Russia to abandon the project as too dangerous for the whole world and negotiate a new nuclear treaty between the USA and Russia,   That s the answer - not warmongering and sabre-rattling.

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    Sep 26, 2024, 17:47


    Russia’s new Sarmat ballistic missile ‘blows up during test launch’

    Analysis of satellite images show 60-metre crater at silo suggesting a ‘catastrophic failure’ after ignition 

    Reuters
    Mon 23 Sep 2024 17.43 EDT

    Russia’s Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missile – known in the west as Satan II – appears to have suffered a “catastrophic failure” during a test launch, according to analysis of satellite images.

    The images captured by Maxar on 21 September show a crater about 60 metres (200 feet) wide at the launch silo at the Plesetsk Cosmodrome in northern Russia. They reveal extensive damage that was not visible in pictures taken earlier in the month.

    The RS-28 Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missile is a key weapon in the modernisation of Russia’s nuclear arsenal. It is designed to strike targets thousands of miles away in the US or Europe, but its development has been dogged by delays and testing setbacks.

    “By all indications, it was a failed test. It’s a big hole in the ground,” said Pavel Podvig, an analyst based in Geneva, who runs the Russian Nuclear Forces project. “There was a serious incident with the missile and the silo.”

    Sep 26, 2024, 17:50

    Just an easy answer to a stupid question

    Sep 26, 2024, 19:01

    Glad I'm not living in a major US city, the cavalier way some are daring a nuclear capable madman...

    Sep 26, 2024, 19:21

    So where is the satelte images - they would be all over the internet if what the media claim did happen.   One cannt keep that kind of situation secret anymore,  

    So now your source is the Guardian - is the WSJ and NYT not givng out enough disinformation anymore?

    What story was manufactured - if it did happen when did it happen - nothing other than allegations without any proof,   Why not get the sattelite photos from the US Government or for that matter from any Government to prove what happened,   Why not include the sattelite images in the report?

    A story from the Guardian prove nothing at all unless satellite images are included and you fell the BS - I never expected that tyoe of shit fom you - Ihought you would look for real proof and Guardian BS is no real prove

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    Sep 26, 2024, 19:24

    Who's daring him?


    No one wants nuclear war, but the west should in no way give into nuclear blackmail.

    Sep 26, 2024, 19:37

    Shooting missiles at one of the major nuclear powers is daft...there's no way of spinning it into anything else than stupi...sorry...it is what it is.

    Sep 26, 2024, 20:22

    S tav

    If we read all the garbled BS propagnda idiots want to use weapons to attack Russia and that means they want all out war agaist Russia,   However, NATO is weak and dvided so how would the imbeciles in the USA wants to overcome Russia - since if going nowhere in doing that thouggh normal milatary means - the fear worldwide is that the USA will use nuclear weapons in a war against Russia,   

    There is no idication that Russia wans a war aganst NATO - here are plenty indations that the USA wants a war against Russia,

          





        

    Sep 26, 2024, 23:13

    Shooting missiles at one of the major nuclear powers is daft...there's no way of spinning it into anything else than stupi...sorry...it is what it is.

    So the world should just allow this major nuclear power to rain down missiles on another country and take its territory.

    Tell me if that's the case what's to stop Russia from doing this again to another country? Would you say striking back then is still daft or stupid?

    No what's daft and stupid is not allowing Ukraine to strike back against legitimate military targets and giving the Russian's a sanctuary space in which it can attack Ukraine with near impunity.

    Don't you see all Putin has is nuclear rhetoric because he's got nothing left conventionally to escalate too. But he knows its the end of him he uses nukes. 


    Sep 27, 2024, 04:36

    A satellite image taken on Saturday showing a Sarmat missile launch site that was apparently damaged in an explosion during a test launch.Credit...Maxar Technologies

    Sep 27, 2024, 04:50

    Wanker hastens to defend his favorite regime….when it won’t even issue a denial itself. He believes himself rather than the whole world press.


    Here is the link to the South China Post….are they also lying?



    Sep 27, 2024, 04:50

    Thanks for the photo - bit wwhere is the laucvh site,   There are 32 launch sites at Plesks and the past accdent at the cosmodrome of launch site.  However from the photo it must have been a huge crater with the roads on the photo being intact,    Anyway - of it was sucha massive accident why is no in anymedia throughout the world,   

    Another ssue - if a lauch in Russia it si a catastrphe in te usa what is t?            

    Sep 27, 2024, 04:51

    Just go to the South China Morning Post link….you click on it….then you apologize.

    Sep 27, 2024, 04:55

    "So the world should just allow this major nuclear power to rain down missiles on another country and take its territory."

    A lot of things happened before that invasion...and a lot of yhings thereafter...none of them a serious attempt at a diplomatic sollution to prevent the invasion...now a whole country is in ruin and hundreds of thousands dead.

    "Don't you see all Putin has is nuclear rhetoric because he's got nothing left conventionally to escalate too. But he knows its the end of him he uses nukes. "

    He's got more than rhetoric...more than 5000 nukes more...and it we would be the end of us all if a mad man uses nukes...

    Putin has to be dealt with and something must be done, but backing him into a corner is not a good idea...there are other ways.

    Sep 27, 2024, 05:06

    You click on it and then you apologize.

    Sep 27, 2024, 05:14

    Mozart

    This is really amazing - Rusia as two launch sites for launching of rockets for testing - the one is Baikonur - which is now situated in Khazakhstan - and Plesk - which is in European Rusisa .   The Rusians must pay compensation to Khazakhstan for usage o Bikobor and it is mainly used for launching of sattelites,  

    The Rusians will not test missiles like the one under dscussions in a foreign country aand definently wihout permission of the Khazakhstan Government - so that missile would never have been tested at Baikonur - it would have been tested at Plesks which is in northern Europe.  

    The other part is that the huge crater caused by te missile was indeed also not clear - the roads on site was not effected by the crater.    If you did any reading up you would find that the military missile tests are at Plesks - Balkonur is only used for sattlelite launches and has been used as such since the Soviet Era.

    You can read up the situation in Wikipedia anyway.    There could have been a missile problem at Baikonur - that type of problem has been encountered in the USA as well.   So with all due respect the report on Centrl Asia is baloney - so try again.       

                   

    Sep 27, 2024, 06:55

    Lol.

    Sep 27, 2024, 09:00

    A lot of things happened before that invasion...and a lot of yhings thereafter...none of them a serious attempt at a diplomatic sollution to prevent the invasion...now a whole country is in ruin and hundreds of thousands dead.

    Because the Russian demands where so unreasonable that it was clear they never wanted to negotiate in good faith.

    He's got more than rhetoric...more than 5000 nukes more...and it we would be the end of us all if a mad man uses nukes

    He won't because of the consequences. If he uses a nuke in Ukraine, that will 100% guaranteed bring NATO into the conflict in Ukraine in a conventional manner. Russia is struggling to make any significant headway against Ukraine in over two and half years of war, up against NATO the Russian armies in Ukraine would be annihilated.

    He uses a nuke against the west, that's the end of him and Russia. He knows this.

    Putin has to be dealt with and something must be done, but backing him into a corner is not a good idea...there are other ways.

    He's not cornered, he has the option of ending the conflict with Ukraine. And appeasement is not a way of dealing with Putin. 

    Sep 27, 2024, 09:55

     We'll see what happens...

    Sep 27, 2024, 10:56

    Stav

    "Because the Russian demands where so unreasonable that it was clear they never wanted to negotiate in good faith"

    .The only demands that Russia were that 

    *    Ukraine be a neural country - same as  Austria as an example - and not join NATO;

    *     Ukraine's borders be respected and acceped internationally ; and

    *     Whereas after the 2014 coup and the Ukraine Constitution of 1991 was destoyed  and be replaced by a new Democatric to be compiled and approvd by the voters in Ukraine through a referendum 

    The above was signed by both the Presidents of Ukraine and Russia and submitted to the UN Security Council for confirmaion in 1915.    When Macron  visited Moscow two weeks  before the invasion  all that was agreed to again and both Zelesnskyy and Putin signed the same resiultion that was agreed upon in 2015 in the Minsk agreement.

    That was the only requirements of Russia  - nothing  else.

    The USA would have nothing of it nd a week before the invasion Ukraine arrested all Russian speaking  members of he Ukrainea Parliament - implying a breach of the agreement already signed.   

    Before the actual invasion Russia submitted full details of the bio-labs operated by and conrolled by the USA in Ukraine - which would entail a treat to all people in te region - to the UN.   The USA lied and claimed there were no  such labs in Ukraine - only later admitting tere ideed were such biolabs in Ukriane.

    What was so outrageous about the above were so unreasonable and why was that a stop to future negotiations - outright BS  spread by the CIA and the media.

    After the invasion the Turkish Government tried to negitiate a ceasefire and meetings between the  Foreign Ministers of   Ukraine and Russia and an agreement was ready to be initialled before submission of the agrement to the Presdients of Ukraine and Russia in April 2022.   This was confirmed by both the Ukraine Ambassador in Turkey - who attended the meeting - and the Turkish Government,   Out of the blue the Ukraine Foreign Minister got an instruction from the US Government to leave Istanbul and not  initial anything - he left Istanbul the same day and the talks broke down.

    In the 2019  election campaign zelenskyy campaigned on he absis tha he would end the Civil War in Eastern Ukraine - but eh found out soon enough that he ahd no pwer on that issue.   If Ukrane did anything the financial support of the Ukraine Government by the USA will stop and he was powerless to neogitate anything.  Any real decision of the Ukraine Government was trictly controlled by Washington. and the Ukraine Government had no say on anything involving the situation in Easern Ukraine.

    Prove to me that the above docemented agreements were not in existence and signed and selaed - her than the ceasefire agreement referred to of you mke statements unlike the above.

    Draad is right to about Zelenskyy's message to .Trump as quoted above.   Zelenskyy knew that the only hope for a rightful peace in Ukraine is through negotiations led by Trump and not the shit at present in charge in te USA..

                       

       

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    Sep 27, 2024, 12:48

     We'll see what happens...

    You do understand Zelensky already met and spoke to Biden and Harris and also wanted to meet Trump because either him or Harris will be the next US President.

    The message Zelensky sent Trump is absolutely prudent. I've no doubt Zelensky would prefer Harris win the election much in the same way that most of Europe would as well but Trump may well win and the rest of the world will have to work with him.



    Sep 27, 2024, 13:18

    Stav

    If Harris wins the war will go on endlessly like the Armaments Industry demand and the CIA especially desire.   Zelenskyy knows that and that is why he approach Trump to help him to negotiate a reasonable peace agreement.

    In the nmeantime the only power who used atomic bombs in warfare was the USA and that is why nobody accept the USA - that under the present Government would using nuclear bombs using nuclear bombs in future.   The present USA is Government is corrupt and enhance instability in the world - so very few Gvernments really trust the shit ruining the USA at present.. .   .      

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    Sep 27, 2024, 15:02

    If Trump win in November his plan to end the Ukraine war is to force Ukraine to concede territory to Russia under threat of cutting off military aid if they don't. This is why Zelenskyy wants to meet him, so he can try to convince Trump to change his mind.

    Sep 27, 2024, 17:00

    W here did you get from Stav.   Trump has alays eben frm on deaings woth Russia and Putin said it si difficult to negotiate anything wth Trump because eh always put the iterests of the USA first.   Trump would nt saboage negotations like Biden did.    It is not in te nterests of the USA to put Democray frst somethng the DP has already abandoned and he would insists that Ukraine get a new Constitution foUkraine and made sure i is approved by the ukraine voters in a refernendum.

    The 1991 Constitution was thrown out by the US Government in 2015 and subsequentlly would not allow US cmpanies like Black Rock to strip Ukrainins of their country - like Bden announced a year ago.

    Black Rock and the C IA has interests in a US subsidiary of Black Rock funded by the company and known as the United Ukraine Force.   What si weird is that the two people did promotion work for the UFF and ended up trying  to assassinate  Trump.   The seocond parson jobless ad with no money went from Hawai to Ukraine - were he stayed for months and from their went to Iran, Pakistan and Thailand offeing voluteers $1 250 dollars per mont.  

    When he ent back to Hawai he ad no moneys still - but flew from there to North Carolina  to Florida where the assassination was supposed to take place.   

    This is being investigated with major suspicions Black Rock and the CIA had anvolvement i botha tempts,   It is being imvestigatd by the Congres and there are numbers of questions  to answer.  However invesigation by the Florida Police the statement was trhat it was an organized attempt to kill Trump and not  voluntary effort by the accused in this case.   It wil take time to find ut what happened - what is clear the CIA - the FBI and Justice Departmeent will be cleared up to stop abuse of the human rights of people.   

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    Sep 27, 2024, 17:52

    "You do understand Zelensky already met and spoke to Biden and Harris and also wanted to meet Trump because either him or Harris will be the next US President."

    Of course I do...he's covering his bases.


    "If Trump win in November his plan to end the Ukraine war is to force Ukraine to concede territory to Russia under threat of cutting off military aid if they don't. This is why Zelenskyy wants to meet him, so he can try to convince Trump to change his mind."


    And you know this how? We'll see.

    Sep 27, 2024, 18:53

    It is such a difficult situation. With nuclear bombs, everyone has feared this day. 

    On one side if you back down to a bully, they will do it again.
    If you stand up to them, you risk losing everything.

    No matter how many times I think it through, I feel the logical course of action is to give Ukraine long-range weapons.

    The UK have nuclear deterrent submarines. The instructions are to hit Moscow if Putin nukes the UK. 

    This will come to a head after the US elections. If Trump wins, Ukraine will cede land. If Harris wins, long-range weapons will be approved.


    Sep 27, 2024, 19:12

    And you know this how? We'll see.

    From various interviews he's made and what Vance said recently.

    Basically Trumps plan is that Zelenskyy has to make a deal and that's basically to give up the territory Russia has already occupied because if he doesn't he will cut off American military aid to Ukraine. He will tell Putin he has to accept this deal and end the fighting because if he doesn't he will greatly increase military aid to Ukraine.

    The UK have nuclear deterrent submarines. They instructions are to hit Moscow if Putin Nukes the UK.

    Indeed for all Russia's sabre rattling about destroying the UK in a hail of nuclear missiles or creating a giant tidal wave to wipe it out, the UK has submarines with nuclear missiles of which at least 2 are at sea at all times and unless Russia can locate and take them out the UK has the ability to level Russia's major cities with own nukes if it was ever the victim of a nuclear attack. France also has that capability as well. Never mind what the US would do in response.

    Sep 27, 2024, 19:20

    The poor UK army - how many fighting soldiers permenantly employed by the UK got?

    The UK submaines is 40 plus years old and so are the rockets to be used,

    By the way lonmg distance missiles indicate direct involvment in a war the US  Government and surrogates in Ukraine are fightig against Russia,   

    The world is according to a Advisory Committe appointed by the US Government  in 2017 the world is staggering to a new WW.   Why is that happeening?   Because the ruler of the USA see the war as a means to destroy Russia for their own benefit.   So they do not negotiate because there is nothing  they can offer othe than bribery and corruption.   .       

    Sep 27, 2024, 19:40

    The poor UK army - how many fighting soldiers permenantly employed by the UK got?

    More than you have braincells.

    The UK submaines is 40 plus years old and so are the rockets to be used,

    Do the UK rockets explode on their launch pads like Russian rockets do?

    Sep 27, 2024, 19:43

    "Basically Trumps plan is that Zelenskyy has to make a deal and that's basically to give up the territory Russia has already occupied because if he doesn't he will cut off American military aid to Ukraine"

    Horse manure...show me the video where he says that or concede that you were parroting anti Trump propaganda.

    Sep 27, 2024, 19:51

    Horse manure...show me the video where he says that or concede that you were parroting anti Trump propaganda.

    To quote Fox News who quote Trump.

    "I know Zelenskyy very well, and I know Putin very well, even better. And I had a good relationship, very good with both of them. I would tell Zelenskyy, no more. You got to make a deal. I would tell Putin, if you don't make a deal, we're going to give him a lot. We're going to [give Ukraine] more than they ever got if we have to. I will have the deal done in one day. One day," Trump responded.

    To quote Newsweek about Vances comments.

    "I think what this looks like is Trump sits down, he says to the Russians, the Ukrainians, the Europeans: 'You guys need to figure out. What does a peaceful settlement look like?' And what it probably looks like is the current line of demarcation between Russia and Ukraine, that becomes like a demilitarized zone," he told the Shawn Ryan Show podcast in an episode released Wednesday.

    Vance didn't specify exactly where he thinks the demilitarized zone should be, but said it would be "heavily fortified so the Russians don't invade again."

    "Ukraine retains its independent sovereignty, Russia gets the guarantee of neutrality from Ukraine—it doesn't join NATO, it doesn't join some of these allied institutions. That is what the deal is ultimately going to look something like," he said.

    Sep 27, 2024, 20:39

    Ja ja, where did he say what the deal should be and that Ukraine  must surrender territory?

    Sep 27, 2024, 20:55

     Interesting...it should have never happened...

    Sep 27, 2024, 22:07

    Put two and two together Draad. 



    Sep 27, 2024, 22:52

     Stac 

    you pu 2 anxd 2 togehe and get 6 bsed on B S you not prove, 

    Sep 28, 2024, 02:04

    He didn’t have to say that….Putin is never giving back the Ukranian territory currently occupied. Any peace agreement will have to accept that, or Ukraine has to fight on.


    That’s a decision for the Ukranian people to make and for the world to respect, given the sacrifices they have already made. Implying there is a simple solution available without Ukraine accepting the Russian land grab is naive.


    Sep 28, 2024, 04:53

    Back to the main BS spreader S B

    "In the devastated city of Mariupol, a Ukrainian commander in the besieged Azovstal steel plant issued a desperate plea for help, saying his marines were "maybe facing our last days, if not hours". 

    There is just one issue that SB either does not know about the issue of Mariopol.   In 2015 the Asov battalion  took over Mariopol by using human shields - especially women and children,   As a result of a UN investigaion as well  one in Odessa (wheee the batalion murdered thousands of workers)    and coneqiently declared the Asov battalion a terroist and mercenary  organization.   

    The US Goverrnment had a problem  - so the  Asov Battalion was incorporated into the Ukraine army with their own command structure - but is still a mercenary and terrorist organization.   The defenders of Mariopol against the Russian and fought desperately to  the last to protect themsleves - since they knew that if surrendering to the Russians they would not be treated as POW's - but as criminals who committed murder of women and children.    When he Russians attacked Mariopol iniially hey did he same and used women and children as human shields - so the Ukrane rmy were allowed by he Russans to withdraw from Mariopol and the  Asov Battalion ended up in the factory from which that video came.    

    In the end even the USDF admitted the Asov Battalion was guilty of war crimes - but would not act against them.    So the battalon hold-outs in the end surrendered and 5 of them were found to be ISIS members recruited in Turkey by the Battalion and Russia sent them to Turkey - who did not wat them either and returned them to Ukraine - where they were welcomed personally by Zelenskyy.    

    What happened to the rest of the war crime criminals nobody knows - they were never exchanged as POW's arranged from time to time and were probably executed  as criminals - which is exactly in terms of the UN decision on the battalion they were,    Weird how interntional criminals are painted as heroes by SB - twisted as such by the  media.   Hope the Russians killed them as proven murderers of thousands of innocent civillians.

    Keep on posting media propaganda shit on anything the media tells you to believe.   It is really easy to show how tragic the situation really is.    In the end the Russians moved over 3 million women and children out of Eastern Ukraine to safety in Russia,    The war criminals from the Battalion should be killed and not used as heroes.     

     

    Sep 28, 2024, 05:02

    Mozart

    "He didn’t have to say that….Putin is never giving back the Ukranian territory currently occupied. Any peace agreement will have to accept that, or Ukraine has to fight on.


    That’s a decision for the Ukranian people to make and for the world to respect, given the sacrifices they have already made. Implying there is a simple solution available without Ukraine accepting the Russian land grab is naive."

    Please provide any proof that BS if you have any,    No media BS from the Guardian, the WSJ and NYT is evidence,     
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    Sep 28, 2024, 07:40

    Another war crime ......... genocide & child kidnapping*. The list goes on & on.

    * moving them to safety se gat. Shame on you.

    Sep 28, 2024, 10:59

    No Braindead Bob

    The parents of Russia  Spaking people sent their children to Russia for education purposes when the Ukraine Government banned teaching of Russians in schools and use Russian for eachig children in schools - so the Ukraine Government claimed the children was sent to Riussia resulted from child kidnnapping and nothing  bar propaganda BS was used by the Ukraine proxy Governmnt was ever proved.   What really happened is disproval of  Ukraine and USA propaganda lies, .   

    The UN also found that the Asov Battalion used women and children as human shoelds when they attacked Mariopol in 2015 and listed the Battalion as a  mercenary and terrorist organization.  They did it again when the Russians attacked Mariopol and it is admitted after further investigations and the fact is the Russians sent 3,5 million women and children for safety purposes to Russia,    The latter was never denied by anybody - so you are suiffering again from BS brain-washing sickness.

    In those areas where the Ukraine Government is still controlling it was found by an international welfare organiztion trying to get children out of the warzone the parents tried to hide their children to prevent them being put in unform and sent to the warfront as child soldiers where their life-expectancy was less than a day.   That came from represntatives of a recognized international organization - who claimed the parents hid their children - although they did not mention why parents tried to hide their children - although it is the actual reason for hiding of the children.       

    By the way even the USDF admitte that the asov Battalion committed war crimes in Ukraine - but the US Government did nothng about it,   Just a bit of factchecking would have clarified the issue,   

           

    Sep 28, 2024, 18:44

    Would a direct quote of Putin be evidence? 

    Speaking to a meeting of Russian ambassadors in Moscow on Friday, Mr Putin called on the Ukrainian government to withdraw from four regions partially occupied by Russia - Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia.

    He also said Ukraine would need to officially give up in its efforts to join the Nato military alliance for the Russian advance to be halted.

    Mr Putin said: "As soon as Kyiv declares that it is ready for such a decision... an order to cease fire and begin negotiations will immediately follow from our side, literally at the same minute."





    Sep 29, 2024, 09:00

    Wh at Putin said ahd no bearing  on the issue - waht si clear that Crimea would eb non-negotible as 95% of the people in the Crimea - who had their on Parlaiment in terms of the 1991 Ukraine Constitution to govern the area locally do not want ever to be part of Ukraine again.

    Te Minsk agreement between  Ukrane and Russia of  2015 and resigned in February 2022 were the absis o which Russia will negotiate - but cannot negotiate s long as he USA wante the war to go on.   The sabotage of the 2022 agremnt was soabotaged by the US - as well as the efforts made by the Turkish Goverment to arreang ca ceasire in April 290022 were both sabotaged by the US Government,   

    At present the Ukraine has no constitution and the Government installed by the USA is nothing bar a proxy dictatorship fully controlled by the USA  - an exaple is the further destruction of even a remotely demcratic regime in Ukraine on a constitutional basis has never been supported by te USA.   Matter of fact the Ukraine Government was told to postpone the Presidential election in Ukraie indefinitely.

    Wha relly is a crime a gainst humanity undermining negotiation that would ahve establsished a federal government constitution system in Ukraine through negoiations was what the USA regime in Wshington never wanted.    An example - in is election campaign Zelenskyy promisd he would end the Civil War in Eastern Ukraine through negotiations and the USA told him nt to try anything they do not approve of.   That message was cnveyed to him within month when that great and hoest Senator Menendez visited him a moth after his iauguration,   He soon lerned he had really no por on anything,   He even had to fire hs army cmmander in Eastern Ukrane because 70% of the arms supply by the USA ended up on the armament black market and that impled that te commander would ot take isntructions from Washington  as to conduct of the War and ws in tehw ay of the USA  when t cam to the war, 

    As to joining of NATO it was always total BS  and had been the reason why the USA wanted to control Ukraine as an attack on Russia and getting  hold of the Russan naval facilites  in the Crimea,   Ukraine agreed twice not to join NATO and sgned areements as to tha end - but the USA undermned both agrements on that one.   The USA are supporting a war where milions fo people fled from and hundreds f thousands of people were killed because of a believe that Russia would collapse and surender to become controlled by the USA Government.   That deam of the ultralefitst regime in the USA will neve happen anyway,   The Russians will never accept the Woke culture and attacks on religion now pevailing in the USA,   

                  

    Stop spouting BS on site based on media reports and stc to facts as well.   I think that Zelenskyy sincerely hope that the shit in Washigton will end if Trump is re-elected as President,   .    .

      

     
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