Steve Bannon - Trump's Right Hand Man close to Jail Sentence

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Jul 21, 2022, 23:54

Lovely stuff folks... Spanner, the right-hand man of Trump is very close to going back to jail. 
We may even get him to flip on Trump, however, that would just be the cherry on top. 

Two years for contempt of court, the judge has laughed at his defence of executive privilege.
My guess is that once he is in jail, more crimes will be found... It is likely he will spend the rest of his life in jail

This sets the scene nicely for the Trump trials...

Jul 22, 2022, 03:32

What Right Hand man?   Bannon operates a private radio talk show and was not  a Trump Cabinet member..     The Democrats is trying to silence him and what is he accused of?    He will not go to jail for refusing to testify before the fake investigating committee  on January 6 - a political witch hunt.   Any jail sentence would go on appeal and that would be the end of it.    .           

Jul 22, 2022, 08:00

This sets the scene nicely for the Trump trials...

Warms the cockles of mine heart......it's such a looooovly heart warming thought:)

Jul 22, 2022, 08:52

@Denny, let's get the popcorn ready.... The main show is about to begin:woot:


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Jul 22, 2022, 18:17

If onl the idiots get facts and not pre=determined BS one can pay attention to their hearings.

Jul 22, 2022, 20:24

4th time lucky?...nope...but hope is a real bitch.

Jul 23, 2022, 12:04

Well, he has now been found guilty. He will be sentenced in about 10 weeks' time. While he has a chance of an appeal, there is no reason to think he will be successful. At this stage, it is looking like 2 years in prison.

This very person was in jail for his false campaign to build the wall to block Mexicans, all while he was stealing the money. Trump pardoned him, but at this stage, Trump has his own problems - so he is not going to be pardoning anyone.



Jul 24, 2022, 10:43

Well - it will go on appeal and nothing will come from it.   When did that incident  about the Mexican Wall story happen and when was Bannon pardoned?   Court case and sentence to be provided please.

The heading indicates Bannon was Trump's right hand man?   You make a statement and it was false so please enlighten us on that one.    .     

   

Jul 24, 2022, 15:37

Do you know how to type into Google?

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-bannon-found-guilty-crime-democrats-never-convicted

Jul 24, 2022, 17:25

S o Bannon was appointed by Trump initially - but left three years ago - so how is he Trump's right hand man?    Anyway I read the article and Tucker is right - there is one law for Democrats and an entirely different one for their opponents.     That is why it will go on appeal and the criminals will ultimately suffer badly - and that includes Cheyne.   That is also why the Democrat leadership gets away with bribery and corruption the FBI protects them and the Justice Department lay charges left out and center in Courts where they know their are leftist judges and juries and they always follow instructions from the Democrats.    Crooks galore in Governments at present.        

Jul 24, 2022, 17:44

This is another from Fox News. Tucker Carlson's target audience is the white over hill redneck relics from the 20th century. The world is changing, and they have not adapted - so they hate the world. Many old people will continue to adapt, others will not... (They are called Tucker Carlson fans). 

Jul 24, 2022, 20:36

OK = lets fac facts anybody oppose to the Demcorats - and that does not include a number of Republicans who regularly vote wirh them in the House and Senate are according to you supported by the "rednecks".    You know what happened to Clinton for calling voters demeaning names - and your effort is sht poor.   

Bannon has a listenership of  17 million people all through the USA.    Tucker comes second with 12 million viewers and so does Hannity.   In the USA CNN  and  MSNBC is losing vioewers faster than jet speed.    and so do the New York Times and the Washington  Post insofar as readership is concerned.    The people are sick and tired of being lied to.   By the way the combined daily total of viewers for CNN, MSNBC, NBC and ABC are 19 million peak time viewers.   The number of peak time viewers drop from 19 million when the January 6 Farce Committee hearings came on to 11 million for the stations combined.

One of the strongest support Groups of the Democrats in the USA are the suburban voters who over the last decade supported the Democrats.   Over the last few months more than a million voters from the suburbs have changed heir registration from Democrat to Republican.    That - and the rejection of the Democrats by the Hispanic voters  are causing a doomsday scenario for the Democrats.    Biden's disapproval rating amongst Hispanic voters  now stands at 60%.   Although some of the Hispanic votes  started moving to the Republicans under Trump already - the shift now is dangerous for the Democrats.    The conservative estimate is that they will lose 40 House seats  - but  if the voter spread is borne in mind it could be as high as 80 seats.    

The Democrats is a divided Party.   The main problem is that they have extremist leftist members who are in reality Communists and the Leftist Socialist members  the second largest group who are just short of being in league with the Communists -  with very few center left members remaining in the House (about 10) and Senate (2).   What is happening to the Center-lefists in the Party?    They are under vicious attack by the Democrats,     The home of one of them was searched by the FBI and found nothing that would lead to charges against him.   In the primary election he barely survived a onslaught by the extreme leftists who went to Texas from all over the USA to campaign against him in the primary election.    Another Hispanic candidate who also expressed moderate opinions received near to zero financial support from the DNC.   

SB - you ae totally wrong about what is happening in US politics - the people are suffering because of the repressive and corrupt Biden Regime and are leaving the Democrats in dire straights.    It is not about Trump  whom the Democrats attacked out of fear and try and use as a scarecrow - it is about the failed extremely leftist policies of the Democrats that voters will deal with in November.    What will happen thereafter is not going to be nice to Biden Harris as  well as a  string of House and Senate members on the corruption bandwagon.

The future for the Democrats is dark and dangerous.    Will that party survive afterwards?    Not sure -  most of the Democrats are rogues  and they all have skeletons in their cupboards.   As such  they may stick together for a while - but in the longer term they will become part of smaller parties or some would jump ship and join the Republicans.    The election is  78 days away and voting has already started in most states - so how manys eats will the Democrats lose this time around.              .      .       .             

Jul 24, 2022, 21:54

Let me quote the Quisling:

‘You are repeating yourself....you're saying the same things over and over again and again and again....

Do you not understand how painful it is to hear the same things everyday all day?’

….. Is it too much to ask that this bore will heed his own admonitions and stop cutting and pasting the same story every day. Sauce for the goose as it were.

Jul 27, 2022, 15:20

 https://twitter.com/i/status/1551154675394744320

"Steve Bannon has been charged with contempt of Congress & found guilty, while Brennan, Clapper & others who lied to Congress have never been charged or prosecuted. This just shows yet again how the DOJ has been weaponized by those in power to go after their political opponents.

Jul 27, 2022, 15:46

Rulings should be consistent, but just because someone else was not bust for a completely different offence, it does not mean Bannon can just ignore the law.

He claims executive privilege, which Trump denies. And Trump is no longer president, so he does not have executive privilege anyway. 

For non-Republican people, as well as +30% of Republicans,
Bannon is a terrorist who worked with Trump to overthrow Democracy.

The jail sentence is for not attending court (contempt of court), which can't be declined on a political basis.

Bannon claims that the current government is illegitimate, so they don't have the authority. However, the current government are Democratically elected, and they have the authority to issue court summons. 
Just like even the ANC can do. Even if something may not seem fair to everyone, it is legal. 


If Bannon does not have to follow the law, no one has to - which would be anarchy. 

Jul 27, 2022, 17:51

I agree with you...whataboutery doesn't excuse anything, I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy...actually, Tulsi Gabbard was, I was quoting her...and she's a Dem...

Jul 27, 2022, 18:29

Strange that none of the "Lefties" ever refer to the blatant lies and corruption that should be investigated by the so called justice dept.

But are quick to jump on any news regarding Republican members who are put through the ringers by the FBI and Gestapo Justice dept.

Then they claim that all crimes should be prosecuted.

F--ken liars and cowards.

Jul 27, 2022, 21:42

 The ones who should listen to this will unfortunately ignore it.:(

Jul 27, 2022, 23:05

Most of what Tucker Carlson says fails even a basic fact check. If someone did try to murder a politician on stage, I can assure you they will go to jail. 

Tucker Carlson knows that most of what he says is not balanced. (Like the Covid vaccine, where he will always be first in line to get it- while he tells everyone else to not get it). 

Jul 28, 2022, 06:15

You said Carlson lied  and that what he wrote cannot be fact-checked,   I have never seen anything Carlson said was snot supported by facts and quoted what the despicable Democrats and their idiotic President has not said or documented.   You do not even know what facts meant. 

We have been entertained four five years about lies concocted by the Democrats about Russian Collusion  and even when you and others  were warned it was all based on lies concocted by the Democrats  you fell for it lock stock and barrel.    There were in that period no fact-cjecking done by anybody insofar as the leftist media is concerned.

The present scenario is that the Democrats fear Trump may get back into power and make sure they are investigated for bribery and corruption and even treason.    They fear that Trump would get rid of the plants in the Justice Department and the FBI.   The whole sabotage system introduced by  Obama and even Bush aimed at protection of political criminals will fall apart,  

What real and proven evidence  has been provided at the January 6 hearings - zero to be factual.   It is all based on hearsay or deductions that is not sustainable in courts of law.  They have no proof that  Trump incited anybody to riot.    The one obvious lie was presented by a when was denied by people involved  and the Committee is seen as BS by most Americans..    Yet you live by what tis being said.   

There is not  a single thread ever started by you or others on site that has been fact-checked on anything.    The Committee  has no real evidence and even they said Trump cannot be charged with anything and any effort by the Justice Department would be considered as real evidence - so the attack is entirely political based on concocted lies.

The Bannon case has nothing to do with the hearing at all.   Bannon is regarded by the Democrats as a danger to them - just like Hannity and Carlson are.    It was a political concocted summons issued to him by the Democrats.   He was nowhere near the riots and was not involved in anything.  He left the WH three years ago and could not have known of  any "plans" the Democrats concocted. as evidence against Trump.   

You have another 5 months  to write BS on site.   The new Congress will be controlled by the Republicans and they are in a vengeful mood - they will clean out the hornets   nest created by the Democrats in both the Justice Department, the FBI and the CIA .    There is  going to be real evidence - not only political propaganda - that will be used against the guilty in those cases.

They will go for the Biden's as well.    They have the evidence of the Biden crime family and against  Pelosi and Schiff as well.   he present Justice Secretary (Garland) and Dr5 Death Faucci  is going to be some of he foremost crooks to be charged. because they lied under oath  in the Senate and House.    

By the way that guy who attacked the Republican candidate for NY Governor will get off scot-free and the DA in New York will make sure the case is totally f#cked up  before a court hearing and he will be found innocent.    Nazi and Communist judicial practices at present reigning supreme through the Democrats will be stopped in their tracks.  

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Jul 28, 2022, 12:13

Sure Redneck Mike, your take as always is totally unbalanced. If the tables were turned in the exact same situation, you would contradict everything you say.

Steven Bannon is a terrorist, and he is going to spend the rest of his life in jail.

DOJ investigations are heating up, and the fake elector scheme is going to see more of Trump's buddies in jail- including probably Trump himself.

Putting up fake electors which do not represent the Democratic vote is fraud. The rednecks see they can't win an election fairly, so they have to try to cheat. 

Jul 28, 2022, 16:41

SB

As an Afrikaans gentleman I can never be a Redneck - as an Englishman descended from England scum - you are indeed one. 

What makes Bannon a terrorist?     Because he oppose a Democratic Party Dictatorship agenda does not make him a terrorist.

They are in panic stations in the Justice Department so they are heating up investigations because they know they will be fired after November. election.  To politicize the Justice Department and FBI is similar to what we found in the USSR and now China.  It is unconstitutional and will backfire badly on the Democrats and on their agents in the said Department and the USA KGB - also known as the FBI.

Nobody has been found guilty of any elections crimes on the part of the Republicans .in 2020 - a few hundred Democrats are already tried and found guilty  - so the boot is on the other foot already.   

SB - your problem is that you have been brainwashed totally by liars and you believe whatever BS  they come up with.           

     

    

Jul 28, 2022, 17:27

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Jul 28, 2022, 17:28

The Afrikaans named you accordingly. Ha, Ha:angel:


Jul 28, 2022, 20:19

U are a Twat.

Jul 28, 2022, 20:43

FART, you are a relic of Apartheid. An angry old man that hates the world. 

Jul 28, 2022, 21:01

Shark, you have absolutely no tact and no respect for anything but your twisted views of reality...I'm glad you didn't procreate...there's enough of your ilk already...you're much worse than anything Apartheid South Africa could produce...please never come back.

Jul 28, 2022, 21:33

Draad, you are a sanctimonious praat. Somehow you think your moral opinion is fact, and the de facto standard. 

You, religious people, hate the world, you hate Democracy as your ideology is fading out of existence. Somehow you are right, despite the West moving away from ancient ideology.

I do respect lots of stuff, just not people looking backwards - instead of forward.

You say I am much worse than the AWB? The religious Nazis...sure....The evil committed against other races, and future white generations... I have never done anything like that.

Speaking shit on a message board is just that. I am no saint, but I have never done evil stuff that was committed during Apartheid, and I would never support it. 
It is no surprise you lot support Putin...

I am tolerant, just not tolerant of people who are intolerant - like you. You are so much like Islam, but you can't see it. You want people to tolerate you, but your dogmatic view does not tolerate others. Like Beeno, you use religion as a crutch to hide your lack of morals. But you will go to heaven for being a hypocrite... and everyone else goes to hell. (Islam...) Or that White people have different heaven than black people etc. 

Somehow God is on your side. If South Africa had allowed more people in from Europe, so the religious became the minority in South Africa- and moved with the times growing their Western population - South Africa may have had a chance... Instead, you lot destroyed any chance of a future with your intolerant dogmatic view of reality. 

Many Black people (who you called Kaffer's- non-believers in God) will now always hate white people from South Africa. 
Your punishment is to be trapped in South Africa in the mess that you created. You are not a first-world person and are frankly not needed overseas. You are welcome to what SA is now, which by all accounts worsens each year. Your kids will pay the price of earlier generations...

Jul 28, 2022, 21:48

"A lower-class person"


They could have stopped right there!

To think this boorish, stupid, deceitful, low-class piece of human scum considers himself to be a "gentleman"!

Waaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Jul 29, 2022, 00:09

How would you know if somebody is a gentleman….huh Peeper?

Jul 29, 2022, 01:11

Tokkie answers the critics.Die-Antwoord-Abuse-Allegations-TOKKIE-29072022

Jul 29, 2022, 02:58

Lets do the primitive test and use VisKops measure of primitive as the yardstick.

One person believes something and it’s unproven whether or not what they believe is in fact true.

Another person believed something that was demonstrably untrue since it was first uttered.

Seems to me that Mike is a lot less primitive for being religious than you are for swallowing the Russia collusion hoax.

It’s not like we need to test just how dumb you are, VisKop. You make it clear on here daily with your comical inability to understand even mildly abstract concepts, always completely missing the point and veering off into the weeds.

Remember your blunder when you tried to school us on blood alcohol levels? Remember when you failed to do math that a 9 year-old would laugh at and we had to float you down the river? Remember when you asked for a clear picture of a ufo and i had to drag you inch by inch to the point where you finally realised(hopefully) that photos are proof of nothing-and even at the end you were still banging on about photoshop, like the moron that you are. Remember the countless times that you’ve exclaimed “science!” and then in the same breath made it obvious that you lack any measure of critical thinking?

The examples of your unassailable level of numbness are so plentiful. I don’t think you know this, but most of the board consider you one of the thickest regulars here.

If you don’t believe me on that one, i’m sure a vote would reveal that I’m not wrong.

See, Fishnuts…it’s not just that you’re ignorant on some topics but rather that your general stupidity is so profound that it apparently renders you incapable in most avenues.

And this is why it’s no surprise that you make statements in support of MSM like “MSM is MSM because it’s what most people believe.” Now, as a stand-alone, this is an incredibly stupid statement. But when you realise that it is made by a marketing professional, it becomes utterly bemusing.

Taking all of the above into account, it’s obvious why you attempt to elevate yourself by talking about chavs and rednecks as much as you do. I think you probably know that you’re likely a combination of the two and it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if a right old chav has outwitted you on good few occasions. They have, haven’t they? What I’d really like to know is how frightened you are of them and how many pints you’ve sponsored against your will simply to gain favour with those chaps in the corner that you don’t like but are petrified of.

Truth is, I’ve known many Burberry cap wearing council estate lads that would run circles around you in conversation and be able to beat the piss out of you in the process too.

And finally, your fixation with religion. Have you ever noticed how you rarely seem to make counter arguments while those you are debating will often confront your points head-on? You’ve probably not noticed - see previous comments RE ignorance. Have you also noticed how often you rely on the existence of religion as the crux of your point?

Do you see what’s happening there? Why do i ask when i know that you don’t see it? My bad…i don’t generally deal with people as thick as you. Well, what’s happening is that, due to your lack of voltage - see previous comments RE your abject stupidity , you are having to fill in the many gaps in your arguments with a one-size-fits-all type of reasoning.

And now, let’s look at the other side. The religious people here, like Mike and Draad. They only refer to religion in terms of morality and never as a point to win an argument.

And isn’t that funny?

When it turns out that your limited ability has caused you to evolve a type of dogma that covers the many cracks in your abilities while the religious people, supposedly dogmatic, hardly ever use said dogma itself to get by on here.

Gosh, there’s so much material but i fear you may already be overwhelmed.

As usual, read slowly, word by word, and when your mind becomes fuzzy, breathe deeply, focus…and start again.

haha you plank!

Jul 29, 2022, 08:43

Oh Dear, a bigger soap box than normal, trouble is no-one understands your gibberish. 

Car to explain yourself?

Jul 29, 2022, 08:47

"Draad, you are a sanctimonious praat. Somehow you think your moral opinion is fact, and the de facto standard.  (Nope it's my standard and I will stand by it unapologetically.)

You, religious people, hate the world, you hate Democracy as your ideology is fading out of existence. Somehow you are right, despite the West moving away from ancient ideology.

(

  1. I believe in God, but I'm not religious.
  2. I believe in democracy.
  3. I love the world.)

I do respect lots of stuff, just not people looking backwards - instead of forward.

You say I am much worse than the AWB? (Yes, you make yest of feeding people to lions) The religious Nazis...sure....The evil committed against other races, and future white generations... I have never done anything like that.

(Oh but you regularly do. You are a bigot of note and have illustrated it numerous times even  on this very thread.)

Speaking shit on a message board is just that. I am no saint, but I have never done evil stuff that was committed during Apartheid, and I would never support it. 
It is no surprise you lot support Putin...

(I don't support Putin, but I also don't support how the West is supposedly trying to end the conflict...but I think Putin is the main aggressor. )

I am tolerant, just not tolerant of people who are intolerant - like you. You are so much like Islam, but you can't see it. You want people to tolerate you, but your dogmatic view does not tolerate others.

 Like Beeno, you use religion as a crutch to hide your lack of morals. But you will go to heaven for being a hypocrite... and everyone else goes to hell. (Islam...) Or that White people have different heaven than black people etc. 

(LMAO...All BS...you're the intolerant one...and you just admitted it without realising!!!)



Somehow God is on your side. If South Africa had allowed more people in from Europe, so the religious became the minority in South Africa- and moved with the times growing their Western population - South Africa may have had a chance... 

(What a racist thing to say! Boy are you stupid...this is so far off base, it's almost funny, if not so tragic! You're actually lamenting the fact that colonialism wasn't done on a larger scale!)

Instead, you lot destroyed any chance of a future with your intolerant dogmatic view of reality. 

Many Black people (who you called xxxx- non-believers in God) will now always hate white people from South Africa. 

(Some people will always hate...I can do nothing about that.)


Your punishment is to be trapped in South Africa in the mess that you created. You are not a first-world person and are frankly not needed overseas. You are welcome to what SA is now, which by all accounts worsens each year. Your kids will pay the price of earlier generations..."

(That's your warped opinion...I actually voted to end Apartheid....the first time I was eligible to vote and I have voted in every election since...bar one time my ID wasn't renewed in time...I'm still here, making a difference everyday. 

...while you took from the country what you could and then did the chicken run...pathetic. 



Jul 29, 2022, 08:59

Bannon is a crook and is going to jail....end of.

Jul 29, 2022, 09:45


Apartheid was largely driven by religion. It was indoctrination and brainwashing. Religion was its vehicle, the means through which it was justified. For even God was white, and Jesus was made to look white - despite being Jewish. 


Putin uses God to support his war efforts, and sure enough, the simpletons like yourself support him... It is God's will that he invaded Ukraine...

These people live in their own reality, and bend and shape things to support their beliefs - instead of looking for the truth.  For example, a Kaffer was a "wood carrier" - as told by God in the Bible, and preached to followers. 

Sure Draad, you believe in God- but you are not religious. Hypocrisy...
That is like someone who worships Islam saying they are not religious. Or a fish that does not swim. The only time when religious people voted against Apartheid, was when the Church themselves recommended to their "base" to vote against Apartheid.
By that time the writing was on the wall, and Apartheid was going to end one way or another when Mandela was released from prison. So suddenly you and others became good people...
The point was it was too late, it was a futile gesture. Change sides when you see your side is losing. 



As for ButtPlug - more unintelligible ramblings... He is religious, but he does not even know or does not want to admit it- because he likes to be a pseudo intellect that disproves facts and reality with conspiracy. 
 

Jul 29, 2022, 09:57

As for ButtPlug - more unintelligible ramblings...

Gosh I'm not the only one who believes it's Alien speak.


Jul 29, 2022, 10:17

Haha and VisKop says his first braindead thing of the day…

“ Sure Draad, you believe in God- but you are not religious. Hypocrisy... That is like someone who worships Islam saying they are not religious. Or a fish that does not swim”

Surely if a fish doesn’t swim then it has zero to do with the fish’s intention.

Here our plank makes a comparison between a conscious choice in how a person chooses to express and live their spirituality with an animal that is incapable of a basic function for survival.

Then, just to add a bit of stupid sugar to the pudding he chucks in the the word “hypocrisy”.

Note, a fish that doesn’t swim is a hypocrite.

hahahahaha

Like i said, the most dim regular here…by far.

Jul 29, 2022, 10:18

Dentsie…Call me when you testicles outgrow your vagina

Jul 29, 2022, 11:27

"Dentsie…Call me when you testicles outgrow your vagina"

Can you make calls from the afterlife.....?

Jul 29, 2022, 12:18

"Sure Draad, you believe in God- but you are not religious. Hypocrisy..."

I don't go to Church and I don't read my Bible every day...I don't practice religion, but I try to live out the ethos of Christianity as per the example Jesus set in the Gospels...I don't fear Hell and I wouldn't mind if there's no after life. I try to do the right thing because it's the right thing. I try and let my conscience guide me as much as possible. You are p!$$!ng on something you don't even understand.

Jul 29, 2022, 12:44

SB

Apartheid in SA started long  before there was a National Party in SA.   It was entirely a UK import.    Even at junification - the majority of Afrikaans people supported the nomination of John X Merriman  as Prime Minister - Merriman was a leading liberl known throughout the world s one.    However, British Government and the King hated Merriman and recommended Botha as Prime Minister with Smuts as his deputy.   The situation was that the Government was extremely unpopular and a number of revolts took place by workers against the reactionary General Smuts - the uprisings were by both White and Black people but Botha and Smuts were loyal servants of  the British Government.

Hatred of the British was strong amongst Afrikaans speaking people  and that was the reason for the ultimate rise of the National Party.    By 1930 30% of the Afrikaans Community suffer from extreme poverty and come the second WW  and the SA soldiers were treated like shit - especially after the murder by the UK Generals of General Dan Pienaar - a cousin of my grandmother.      Pienaar's main problem was he would not take shit treatment of SA soldiers and his general term was to call the UK generals and his commanding officers "Voertsek General".    On return to SA they were discharged by the Smuts Government without any compensation and the farmers were impoverished  by a "loan" of  80 million pounds to the UK - paid in gold and wool to the UK - the loan was never repaid.   That caused the defeat of the Smuts Government in 1948.

The most emphatic apartheid rules always came from the English speaking community - they discriminated against everyone else - whether Black or White.   So you are stupid enough to blame the wrong people for Apartheid.   .It was existing in SA since 1806.

When you have no argument how to answer to facts you always run to religion.  I do make my decisions on politics based on facts - not media lies (your main idiocy is you believe the lies) - and it has nothing to do with religion.   Your other idiocy is that you claim religion is against Democracy - but you are too big an idiot to realize that Democracy was started and developed by religious people - not by anybody else.    

The people who wants to destroy democracy are the same people who wants to establish a woke culture that would ultimately destroy the Western Civilization. - not that you would mind at all about it.                 

           

Jul 29, 2022, 12:52

I am not blaming all Afrikaans, I am blaming the religious ones. I have met many sensible Afrikaans- most of which are not religious. 

Also, Apartheid is an Afrikaans word that means develop Apart -so I am not sure how this can be British. The system was brought into place by Verwoerd of the NP (if memory serves me correctly) - after World War 2. 

Everyone knows that slavery existed in the past, as did racism - but the world was changing. Past injustices hardly justify continued ones. 
Apartheid was a short-term backward system that benefited the current religious Afrikaaner old white men above everyone else....
Future generations would always have to pay for this. 

It was to address to poor White Afrikaner problem, making a policy of White Afrikaner first. (particularly religious while old men).  So women were also victims of this policy. So were other white people to some degree, as well as other races. 

It was a system that legislated rights based on race, gender, and religion. A class like the coloured, were half-cast. 

My point is that instead of moving with the times, they went backwards. If more Westerners were allowed into the country, who were less religious (and therefore less backward)- and they would have been more progressive (e.g. tried to uplift smart people of all races, not keep them down). 

You support Putin. Westerners that support Putin are religious, it is the common denominator. Just like how the religious supported Apartheid. 

Anyway, you are more affiliated with the radical left, the ANC. So, you are not exactly part of the AWB. What ever values you had, you gladly sold for a quick buck


Jul 29, 2022, 14:29

"My point is that instead of moving with the times, they went backwards. If more Westerners were allowed into the country, who were less religious (and therefore less backward)- and they would have been more progressive (e.g. tried to uplift smart people of all races, not keep them down). "


Biggest crock of BS I read in a long time.

Jul 29, 2022, 17:05

Trying to uplift smart people from other races is the biggest crock of BS you have read in a long time? Eugene also felt the same way... This was a person self-deluded by religion. God was on his side...


Eugene Terre'Blanche obituary | South Africa | The Guardian

Jul 29, 2022, 17:11

Well we can add SA History to the list of issues that Sharkie knows zero about.

Apartheid is a name given to  policies that existed prior to 1948 but used more in the political arena to win favour and create division.

The Nationalist went one step further and made it the LAW of the land.

Discrimination existed prior to 1948 in SA and was also in place in many countries in Africa and elsewhere that fell under British control.

But you had to have lived in that period to understand the sad history and the many folks that suffered.

Thankfully Apartheid was abolished but now it is replaced under a new names such as  "Transformation" for example.

Old habits never die but names do!

Pity.


Jul 29, 2022, 17:30

"Trying to uplift smart people from other races is the biggest crock of BS you have read in a long time?"

No you fcn Poephol...thinking that you can uplift Africa by importing more white people, because black people are incapable of doing it on their own is what got us into this problem in the first place....typical limousine liberal...PLANK...you are bring really offensive you fool. The people pf SA are more than capable of sorting out our own sh!t...we don't need pretentious fools like you to show us the way...but your colonial genes don't realize this...please stay in Mud Island.

Jul 29, 2022, 18:40

Limousine Liberal descriptive word for "new money" classless wealth.

And don't insult the great Afrikaaner nation by putting them all in the same box.

A hypocrite democrat who pretends she loves working people, coloured guys, and street people, but who has 109 million dollars and lives as far away as possible from working people, coloured guys, and street people. They deceive millions of idiots who don't know that nobody ever helped anybody from the back seat of a limousine

Hillary Clinton is a limousine liberal. She pretends she likes beer with a booze chaser when she really likes Zinfandel. She pretends to love rural people, but thinks they are hicks, rubes, and rednecks. She is rich. She rides in a limousine to show how much better she is then you are. She feels entitled to ride in the back of a limousine because she is rich.

Barack O'Bama is a limousine liberal. He pretends he stands for the working class, then accuses them of clinging to religion and guns. He is rich and rides in a limousine to show how much better he is than you are. He feels entitled to ride in the back seat of a limousine because he is a rich coloured guy.

Other famous limousine liberals are Senator Kennedy, John Kerry, Senator Charles Schumer, and Michael Moore -- Hypocritical rich bastards all!


Jul 29, 2022, 20:22

It’s hilarious how VisKop attempts to completely separate himself from South Africans because he’s been living in the UK for a bit.

Hilarious but par for the course.

Jul 29, 2022, 20:36

Sure ButtPlug... I maintain that the religious should stay out of politics. I am not separating myself from South Africa, merely the religious ilk of Eugene Terblanche and those that were to short-sighted to see the future. 

If South Africa had fewer religious people involved in politics, perhaps there would have been a different outcome. Religious politicians are delusional, thinking that God is directing their actions... They are just not part of reality.

The brainwashing disseminated from Church propaganda ensured that there was no plan for the future. It was just to hold onto the present as long as possible, and let future generations pay the price...A narrow short-sighted view that was never going to last. 

Apartheid also prevented more white people from coming to South Africa to give a more Democratic share of the vote. 

Jul 30, 2022, 01:06

Yeah, you’re right.

Perhaps we should ban religion.

Wait, i’m sure somebody tried that before.

Jul 30, 2022, 01:33

No, just don't let people masquerade in politics as if they are God's ambassadors...
Putin tells the dumb Russians he is some type of prophet acting under the will of God. God wanted him to invade Ukraine.

Jul 30, 2022, 03:33

SB is so besotted with religion hatred that everything he likes because religion is absent and everything he hates has been caused by religion.    He is an utter fool and mixed up 100%.   The starting point for democracy  under the Greeks were based on religion and its transplant to the modern world took place because of the Christian religion and was implemented by religious people.

On the other hand the people in modern times who tried to destroy Democracy - namely the Communists and Fascists - he apparently supports all out.     So he is normally imbecilic in his deluded writing on site.           

Jul 30, 2022, 09:28

VisKop

Go and watch some videos where Republican university students, more of which are christians, are talking at rallies and meetings.

Then do the same for Dem students, hardly any of which are christians.

…one will give you a view as to future containing christianity and the other a future without.

You and i both know that there’s a clear winner.

Sure, Reps have policies that i disagree with but on average the Dems paint a future that i can’t and see myself enjoying one bit.

You keep saying that i’m religious but the truth is that i’m simply objective and for every instance where you name a bad result from christianity, i can list a worse one coming from groups that are predominately non-believers.

Let’s look at today and how dems are pushing for gender transitioning kids whereas christian’s despise the idea. Where do you land on that one?

The list is very long and i know that if i took the time to make that list, you’d end up agreeing with the christians far more than you think.

So what exactly is your problem?

Jul 30, 2022, 12:06

The fact is SB hates religious people and religion as a whole.   He blames religion for all the ills in the world.    He is in league with the pseudo-scientists making a living out of fearmongering.   So cows must be removed from existence because  they cause global warming.   So goodbye to milk production and eating of meat.    His latest perspective is Bread is unacceptable from a health perspective.   How many billions of people eat bread-related products over thousands of years - now suddenly it must be banned.

Frankly I do not believe all the BS we are fed with about  Covid, global warming and health issues we are being fed with on a daily basis through the media.    .      

He is in that respect in league with the Communists and Nazis.    They declared and banned religion and oppressed not only religious people, but everybody else.    The man is so besotted with religion as he worlds only ill - so the rest of the garbage he believes in comes from the leftist media and he has he audacity to quote those on  this site.    Brainwashed moron  that one.       .   

Jul 30, 2022, 12:11

Religious people are backward. As a statistical average, they are dumber than the non-religious in the 21st century.

The younger someone is, the less religious they are- which is very positive. It is a dying ideology. Sure, someone can be conservative - but a sensible conservative - not the religious Qanon whack jobs. 

Young people are not being forced to not like religion, they just see it as irrelevant. It is their choice. It is not banned, people are free to do it - but it is being dropped like a bad habbit.

The AWB are a fine example of religious people. We can thank people like that for SA not having a future for white people. Western Islam...   Nearly anyone who supports Putin is religious, another great advert for religion. The anti-vaxxers, conspiracists etc. etc. These lists go on. 

In 20 years time, religion will be toast in the West. 

Jul 30, 2022, 12:30

"Religious people are backward. As a statistical average, they are dumber than the non-religious in the 21st century."

Even if that was true, most of us are still smarter than you...bigoted plank that you are.

Jul 30, 2022, 12:39

Ok, VisKop…let’s play that game.

Stalin was anti-religious and actively tried to stamp it out.

Wanna compare the death tolls?

Next?

You also claimed that Republicans are toast because apparently more people are becoming liberals.

So i take it that the dems will win the mid terms then…right?

Jul 30, 2022, 12:42

ButtPlug, the West is "choosing" to move away from religion. The younger someone is, the less likely they are to be religious. Freedom of choice...

Who cares about Stalin? We could quote many politicians who were religious (e.g. The AWB) that would want everyone to be religious, or Arabs etc, etc.

Putin is the new Stalin. Putin likes religion, as the simpletons will follow him if he says he is religious. (An old political trick). See Emperor Constantine...

Jul 30, 2022, 12:44

And yet Draad, and an increasing amount of people share my take on religion... not yours...
So the West are on the same page, you are not. You are on the Qanon bus...

Jul 30, 2022, 12:57

Also, are you sure of you facts, FishNuts?

“ If you think religion belongs to the past and we live in a new age of reason, you need to check out the facts: 84% of the world’s population identifies with a religious group. Members of this demographic are generally younger and produce more children than those who have no religious affiliation, so the world is getting more religious, not less – although there are significant geographical variations.

According to 2015 figures, Christians form the biggest religious group by some margin, with 2.3 billion adherents or 31.2% of the total world population of 7.3 billion. Next come Muslims (1.8 billion, or 24.1%), Hindus (1.1 billion, or 15.1%) and Buddhists (500 million, or 6.9%).”

As usual, the resident mong is wrong because he didn’t check his facts, doesn’t understand subtlety and lacks critical thinking.

Jul 30, 2022, 12:59

Quote sources...

Religion remains strongest in the dumbest areas in the world. The smarter a place or person is, on average the less religious they are. You know this...

I have quoted sources in the past many times to back up my argument. You have 4Chan

The funny thing is that you all share my viewpoint of all religions except your own. Who supports Islam, except people from this religion?

Still what ever way the data is sliced, the younger someone is - the less religious they are. The writing is on the wall, it is dying. 

Jul 30, 2022, 13:14

Google- the younger someone is, the less religious they are. This is not just true in the West...

Whatever way you spin it. mainstream reality is moving away from religion. This is why Christians hate the West. 

  • Jul 30, 2022, 13:42

    hahaha

    what a plank!!!!!!!!!

    VisKop, the data isn’t on your side.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2012/12/18/global-religious-landscape-exec/

    As for your assertion that the dumbest people in the world are religious…

    Tell that to the Jews…aren’t they on average the highest IQ population and also the most religious per capita?

    Tell that to the Asians…in some cases higher and in other cases on par with IQs of people in the US and Europe?

    See, this is what happens when you are given enough rope to hang yourself with and you never question why you’re receiving all these rope deliveries.

    The vast majority of the world identify with or are religious.

    But cumon, VisKop…tell me exactly how you view your place in the universe. Forget shit talking other people for a moment because that’s folly.

    Be a man and tell us how you view yourself in the universe. Give us all the details.

    Jul 30, 2022, 13:47

    Read all the articles I posted. The common theme is that the younger someone is, the less religious they are. It is dying out. Just because people's parents might have taken them to Church- and therefore some association - it is dying... 
    Each 10 years, the next generation is less religious than the last. 

    Look, you know I am right, so it is pointless debating this with you. 



    Young adults around the world are less religious

    https://www.pewresearch.org › religion › 2018/06/13
    13 Jun 2018 — The vast majority of people around the world claim a religious identity, such as Christian, Muslim or Hindu. But there is a clear age gap: Out ...

    • Younger people are less religious than older ones in many ...

      https://www.pewresearch.org › ... › Beliefs & Practices
      13 Jun 2018 — For some time now, surveys have shown that younger Americans are less likely than older adults to attend church, believe in God, ...



    70% of young Brits are 'not religious' - BBC News

    https://www.bbc.co.uk › news › newsbeat-43485581
    21 Mar 2018 — Nearly three-quarters of young Brits identify as having no religion, a report suggests. Researchers asked the religious views of people aged ...

    Gen Z Is the Least Religious Generation. Here's Why That ...

    https://psmag.com › ... › Understanding Gen Z
    6 May 2019 — Generation Z is the least religious generation. About one third have no religion—about the same proportion as among Millennials—compared with 23 ...

    Are young people less religious than the past? If so ... - Quora

    https://www.quora.com › Are-young-people-less-religious...
    Polls suggest the younger generation is less religious. I believe it is due to the proliferation of information and discussions regarding religion.
    9 answers · 31 votes: %3E Wording of the question when I answered: Are young people less religious than the past? ...

    Millennials Are Leaving Religion And Not Coming Back

    https://fivethirtyeight.com › features › millennials-are-le...
    12 Dec 2019 — They've also had a dramatic impact on American religious life. Four in ten millennials now say they are religiously unaffiliated, according to ...

    Losing their religion: Younger adults are less religious, and ...

    https://religionnews.com › 2018/06/13 › losing-their-rel...
    13 Jun 2018 — Losing their religionYounger adults are less religious, and not only in the US · In a survey of 106 countries, younger people were found to be ...

    Why are older people more religious than younger people?

    https://revisesociology.com › 2018/10/31 › why-are-ol...
    31 Oct 2018 — The biological affect of ageing · Older people are more detached from society · Social changes mean each generation is less religious than the ...

    Young More Religious Than Older Adults in Just 2 Countries

    https://www.aarp.org › young-people-less-religious
    14 Jun 2018 — Another theory is that new generations become less religious in tandem with economic development — as collective worries about day-to-day ...

    Faith Forum: Why are young Americans less religious?

    https://www.rgj.com › opinion › columnists › 2016/01/29
    29 Jan 2016 — Younger Americans are becoming less religious for many reasons. Chief among them is they have not experienced the transforming power of Christ.

    Jul 30, 2022, 13:56


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    Jul 30, 2022, 15:17

    SB- the idiot. 

    You quote from some surveys and make that the alpha and Omega of everything idiotic you write.

    According to census data only 20% of the total population of London indicated that they have no religion.   You are too stupid to realize that churchgoing is not the norm.ar all.   Churchgoing is down - but it does not represent the feelings of people - more the fact that churchgoing is replaced by religious programs on TV. 

    The fact is none of the people I know and that ois many base their political decisions o issues that have no relationship with religion.     That is why all your comments are BS in the extreme.                  

    Jul 30, 2022, 15:45

    Go on VisKop…

    Declare your beliefs for us.

    We’re waiting

    Jul 30, 2022, 16:16

    I have no religious beliefs. As far as I am concerned religion is just a man-made entity. 
    For convenience, you can classify me as an anti-theist because I think religion in the 21st century does more damage than good and that the world would be better off without it - or it is just totally irrelevant. (I don't expect a religious person to respect my views). 

    This viewpoint is shared in younger generations by freedom of choice, not by preventing people from choosing their own beliefs - or brainwashing adolescents in church). 

    "a" God, or "an afterlife" may exist, but religion is just man's fictional attempt to guess what it is. However, it is possible there is no God or no afterlife.

    The word atheist was created by the ancient Greeks, which predates Christianity... So it was part of culture before Christianity...

    My viewpoint is shared with:

    1. Scientists
    2. University Educated people
    3. Younger generations (E.g. Millennials and Generation Z and Generation Alpha). 


    Religion is slipping out of mainstream thought.
    Every 10 years, it is weaker. Fewer people are taking their children to church. 

    The fact is:

    Millennials are less religious than Generation X
    Generation Z are less religious than Millennials
    Generation Alpha are less religious than Generation Z

    The wring is on the wall, we can all see where this is going...

    When Generation Z and Generation Alpha have children, and then their kids become the majority, religion will be finished in most countries. Certainly in Democratic countries...

    You can believe in the merits of religion, but you can't argue facts that the younger people are, the less religious they are as a statistical average.
    This trend is getting steeper each year. It is only accelerating, and the same thing is happening in all countries (thankfully)

    Jul 31, 2022, 13:45

    Let's see if you can keep up...

    Convergent evolution:

    In evolutionary biology, convergent evolution is defined as the process whereby distantly related organisms independently evolve similar traits to adapt to similar necessities

    Note: similar necessities.

    Now, have a look at almost every civilization that we know anything about. One barely requires a critical mind to note the prevalence of the independent evolution of religions throughout.

    What that clearly tells you is that there is a fundamental need for religion. Sure, you and I might get along just fine without the need to follow religion in any way...but how about society at large?

    As you know, the prevalence of a mechanism speaks to its effectiveness as a solution.

    But let's tackle one of your arguments about the destructive force that religion is... 

    What do living creatures on earth do? They compete for resources, genetic and environmental, in order to procreate. We agree on this?

    When ants go to war, they aren't burdened by conscious thoughts like fear and remorse. Humans are fighting the same fight as the ants are, but we have to justify our actions in some way and we require more than purely chemical motivation because we're possessed of consciousness. We have to look into the mirror before and after the fight.

    One would then have to ask whether at least one of religion's benefits is that it is both a rallying cry and coping mechanism for the inevitable actions of living beings. Meaning, it's not the cause of the fight but rather adds to the well-being and effectiveness of the fighters.

    To be fair, one does have to accept that human consciousness, as far as we know, hasn't been around for very long...not in evolutionary terms. Religion being very prevalent to date doesn't mean that a better solution/s won't arise in the future.

    I'm simply doubtful of the people, like you, claiming that religion isn't required, when they appear to have very little idea of the scope of the solution/benefit that it has and continues to provide. 

    If you're not considering the full scope of replacement that you propose to deliver, how on earth could you be trusted to deliver something even remotely adequate? 

    Again, I'm not the one yelling that science is the answer at everyone, and yet I find myself having to slow the resident scientist down and ask him not to skip over the science.




    Jul 31, 2022, 15:04

    All you are doing is arguing the merits of religion.

    I am saying that younger generations get less religious by the day. They share my view (regardless of if this view is right or wrong). 

    It is a fact that each generation is less religious than the last one, in the last 30 years- and this process is only accelerating. 

    Religion is really a pastime for the older generations, and those that are young and still religious are generally just dumb people.

    However, I disagree with your "argument" that religion is still a necessity in the 21st century, which like most of your viewpoints is not objective. Like a religious person that bases their understanding on faith and then tries to filter information to support that view. It is just bull shiting yourself to believe what you want to believe. 

    Imagine Islam did not exist? Perhaps the Middle East would eventually stop warring amongst themselves... Surely no Islam would be an upgrade to the world. 

    Jul 31, 2022, 15:38

    SB

    Younger people gets less religious - but they also get less mrals and addicted to drugs and criminality.    They have no culture and believes in nothing whether good or bad.   People must have some loyalty in life - otherwise they become total wrecks and that is the case with most young people not properly brought up.

    That is why the western countries and culture is collapsing.    Same as what happened in Rome and other countries.   Can you really believe that people without loyalty to anybody will make good soldiers in the case war?   They will just collaps under pressure. when attacked.   

    That is also why the way the West is trying to implement a world government dictatorship that will work together with China and a few other dictators  to  undermine democracy in the world.    The signs are bad in the USA and as bad in the uK and Germany.   So how will a rotten uncultured youth assist anybody when it comes to things that count in life like freedom of speech and protection of the rights of individuals.    That si going faster than it became ingrained in democracy.

    Let em explain something further.   I also believe in scientists - ut that does not include freaks like Dr Faucci and mist of the leech scientists advertising BS.   Gates - no scientist himself - believe that the ideal world population should be 5oo million - so he is pushing both global warming  and global vaccination.   It si the global warming BS that includes cows must be eliminated becasue they fart and pollute the air.    You ma not eat bread because it is a health hazard.    Wothout cows you will not have milk either.    So these idiots wants to dreduce the world population to 500 million through starvation and other so-called scientific methods.    If that si what scientists come u with it boggles the mind.       If you believe in that kind of BS - you should be regarded as the biggest fool ever on a site like this.                 

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    Jul 31, 2022, 15:52

    That is your opinion DumbMiike, and you are entitled to it.
    That does not make your belief a fact. 

    What is a fact, is that it's an opinion that is in decline as more and more people reject religion. 

    If you are right you go to heaven, and we do not.
    If it is not true, you are just believing in something that is primitive and false - like Santa...  

    Given the number of different religions, it is very unlikely that one of them is correct, while all others are wrong. (which is what all religions claim- even sects within the same religion). 

    It is more likely they are all wrong...

    Even if God or the Devil exists or does not exist, the values of being good and bad still exist.
    You are just personifying these values with "a" God and the Devil. 


    Jul 31, 2022, 18:51

    Folks don't give these Left Twats a platform to rant and rave about anything that does not fit their agenda and warped minds.

    IGNORE all of THEM.

    Jul 31, 2022, 19:00

    @FART:  We are the increasing majority, so it is you that is the marginalised minority (that is ignored).

    Left to revel in your insignificance with BAAL...

    Jul 31, 2022, 19:28

    VisKop, you are still labouring under the mistaken assumption that because younger people may be less religious in some areas, that religion itself is dying.

    You’re making a ton of assumptions actually and very few of them are backed by anything other than your bias.

    You are constantly banging in about how terrible religion is but it doesn’t seem to me that you have ever thought about it deeply or spent much time actually trying to look at both sides of the argument.

    “Even so, Pew says it would be a mistake to assume that the world overall is becoming less religious just because young people are less devout.

    "In fact, many of the world's least religious countries have populations that are either shrinking or growing only slowly, while regions with the highest population growth tend to be very religious," Pew said in a release. "For example, sub-Saharan Africa — which has the world's fastest population growth — also has the smallest age gap on importance of religion and has a high rate of religious commitment overall.

    "In the average country in the region, 88 percent of younger adults and 89 percent of older adults say that religion is very important in their lives," the release said.”

     
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