Survey for the Trump bashers

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Nov 12, 2020, 16:39

Those of us who think Trump had a remarkably successful presidency while being hounded by his opponents, have listed his accomplishments.....wage growth, no wars, Middle East Peace, exposing China and many others. But the bashers seem to feel Trump has a list of failures which make for a failed presidency. Here’s your chance to become specific....the floor is your’s.

Nov 12, 2020, 18:20

His economic successes were overstated and he's come no where near achieving peace in the middle east.

His failures.

Withdrawal from the Paris Climate Agreement and his denial of climate change.
Withdrawal from the Iran Nuclear Deal.
Withdrawal from the WHO.
His recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.
His Middle East Peace Plan for Israel-Palestine conflict.
The assassination of Qasem Soleimani.
Peace negotiations with North Korea.
His handling of Corona Virus Pandemic.
His border wall with Mexico.
His efforts to reduce America's trade deficit,
His trade wars.
His embarrassing gaffs, from bleach, to airports during the America civil war, to his lack of understanding of international affairs and his general ignorance.
His constant lying.
Creating the concept of fake news and alternate facts.
His constant attacks on the media for calling him out for lying.
His promotion of lies and conspiracy theories.
His racist dog whistles.
His inability to listen and take advice from experts and professionals in their respective fields, be it his own countries intelligence agencies or medical/scientific advisers.
His deepening of divisions in American society.
His praise for authoritarian world leaders.
His attacks on allied countries, and the increasing isolation of America on the diplomatic world stage.
The reputational damage he's inflicted both on the office of Presidency and America's standing in the world.
His dubious claims of election fraud after he was beaten in the 2020 election.

There's probably more that will come to me later.


Nov 12, 2020, 20:50

Up your game Stav ...... there's a shit load morte that can/should be added to your list.

Frogmarch the mad, sad & bad fwit outa the House.


Nov 12, 2020, 22:42

His childish, egotistical behaviour is not befitting of a leader of a country

The guy comes across as pretty stupid l

Nov 13, 2020, 03:09

Withdrawal from the Paris Climate Agreement and his denial of climate change...   justified Paris is costly and ineffective.
Withdrawal from the Iran Nuclear Deal....,necessary
Withdrawal from the WHO......they are culpable in spreading China’s disinformation about the virus.
His recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.....heroic,
His Middle East Peace Plan for Israel-Palestine conflict.....progress has been made for the first time since Assad.
The assassination of Qasem Soleimani.....terrorists  are killed not assassinated
Peace negotiations with North Korea... justified to address a dangerous situation.
His handling of Corona Virus Pandemic.....called for isolation before any other world leader, fastest vaccine response ever, massive equipment production.
His border wall with Mexico....justified to stop uncontrolled immigration
His efforts to reduce America's trade deficit,....trade deficits need to be reduced it’s basic economic theory 
His trade wars.....necessary if negotiations don’t work, all the US asked for is a level playing field. 
His embarrassing gaffs, from bleach, to airports during the America civil war, to his lack of understanding of international affairs and his general ignorance.....not gaffs, brainstorming turned into gaffs by a hostile media
His constant lying....all politicians lie...take Obama’s you can keep your doctor lie. 
Creating the concept of fake news and alternate facts.....fake news exists....take the Russia hoax. 
His constant attacks on the media for calling him out for lying....no his attacks are against media bias.
His promotion of lies and conspiracy theories....blah, blah.
His racist dog whistles...  Trump is no racist, nor is he anti semetic..
His inability to listen and take advice from experts and professionals in their respective fields, be it his own countries intelligence agencies or medical/scientific advisers....his  diverging from expert opinion particularly at the Fed was hugely right.
His deepening of divisions in American society... how?
His praise for authoritarian world leaders.....all in the quest of improving problem areas and only while they were cooperating,
His attacks on allied countries, and the increasing isolation of America on the diplomatic world stage.....Allied countries have been living off America for too long. Germany not paying their way is disgusting,
The reputational damage he's inflicted both on the office of Presidency and America's standing in the world.....America’s standing is in robust health.
His dubious claims of election fraud after he was beaten in the 2020 election..  watch this space.

Okay so there was no criticism with any substance in that long sad list. Just the same old obvious angles of attack....best economy, most progress on the ME, least number of soldiers killed, no wars started, most progress on CO2.

And many more.....all achieved while the left tried to block any action he took. And I’ll add many of those actions were the fulfilling of election promises which formed the basis for his election.

Nov 13, 2020, 08:44

I think most people with reasonable intelligence and a half-decent education would know that Bozo was a disaster as president from start to finish.


Assuming Moffie can still read with all that egg dripping down his fat face after Stav's accurate but not comprehensive list, I would add . . . 

Not getting Mexico to pay for the Wall as promised

Putting up a few kilometres of fence instead of a Wall

Sharpiegate (LMAO!)

Getting the virus after downplaying it

Shutting down the government like a sulky child

The ineffective travel restrictions that allowed Americans to return from China in huge numbers with no PPEs, testing or screening in place that seeded the virus in the USA
 
Demanding the return of "Noble (sic) Prizes" (LMAO!)

Being impeached

Claiming he will not allow Twitter to "stifle free speech", failing miserably and still using Twitter (LMAO!)  

Calling the USA recording the most cases of Covid-19 in the world a "badge of honour"

Describing Seoul as a city with 38 million people after misreading a Wikipedia article stating the altitude of Seoul as 38 metres (LMAO!)

Claiming a dementia test was very hard when he had to identify animals like rhinos and hippos and remember some basic sequences that a 4 year old child could do.

Like Stav, I'll probably think of lots more but I'll leave it there for now. 

As for Moffie's claim that Bozo's statement "Our army took over the airports" (in 1776) was a brainstorm turned into a gaffe by the hostile media, well, if you believe that then it's hardly surprising you might think an impeached one-term failure was a successful president.

Nov 13, 2020, 13:51

And now for the rebuttals of the rebuttals

justified Paris is costly and ineffective...Perhaps Paris doesn't go far enough but its far better than nothing, in the long run the cost of inaction will greatly exceed the costs of implementing the Paris agreement.

necessary...why, all indications where that Iran where complying with deal. Iran is now likely closer to developing nuclear weapons and America's reputation for honouring international treaties is trashed.

they are culpable in spreading China’s disinformation about the virus...Quite simply this is a lie.

heroic...biased would be a more accurate term. Its a move that makes solving the Israel-Palestine conflict more difficult and proves that America is not impartial broker in the peace process.

progress has been made for the first time since Assad...Trump's Middle East plan was panned around the world as basically giving Israel everything it wanted and trying to buy the Palestinians off. His achievements in getting other Arab countries to recognize Israel are a positive development but are overstated in their significance in bringing peace to the region. (Its also highly likely that Sudan will not ratify the agreement in their parliament)  There will never be peace in the ME until the Israel-Palestine conflict is resolved.

terrorists  are killed not assassinated...killing the top military commander of another country is a highly provocative move that could have and may still have serious repercussions in the region.

justified to address a dangerous situation...yes the noegotations where justified and I supported his efforts to do so, wasn't an issue that he tried to resolve the situation, its the fact that he failed.

called for isolation before any other world leader, fastest vaccine response ever, massive equipment production...no he wasn't the first call for isolation, the vaccine response had nothing to do with him, all countries ramped up equipment production but America was slow on testing at the start of the pandemic and Trump made various other blunders in his handling of the Pandemic.

justified to stop uncontrolled immigration...was a waste of time trying as it was never going to be effective, only got a few miles of new wall actually built and didn't get Mexico to pay for it. Again a failed policy.

.trade deficits need to be reduced it’s basic economic theory ...again not disputing that, its the fact the trade deficit went up during his term. Again a failure.

necessary if negotiations don’t work, all the US asked for is a level playing field...America also don't play on a level playing field. As powerful as America is having trade wars with so many other major trading partners is just dumb and ending up hurting America's economy more than it helped. Failed policy.

not gaffs, brainstorming turned into gaffs by a hostile media...nope they where gaffs.

all politicians lie...take Obama’s you can keep your doctor lie...true all politicians lie and should be called on it, but Trump takes to a whole other level, the sheer volume of his lies is unprecedented. I believe the Washington's post fact checkers had him down as making over 20,000 false or misleading claims during his Presidency up till July of this year.

fake news exists....take the Russia hoax...you mean the investigation that found the Russians where meddling in the 2016 election in Trumps favor, that Trump's campaign knew about it and expected to benefit form it, the resulted in jail sentences for several of Trump's campaign team and did not exonerate Trump who may yet face charges after he leaves office?

no his attacks are against media bias...no doubt there have been lies told about Trump and he's entitled to call them out, however he can't just lie on the scale he does and not expect to be called on it. Calling out a lie and fact checking him is not media bias, its the media doing their job.

blah, blah...blah blah.

Trump is no racist, nor is he anti semetic...so I didn't hear quotes about rapists from Mexico, white supremacists as very fine people, for white supremacist group to stand back and stand by and that George Soros was funding antifa?

his  diverging from expert opinion particularly at the Fed was hugely right...his diverging from medical advise was hugely wrong.

how?...his branding, scaremongering and misrepresentations about the Democrats as a radical far left party, the way he's handled the race riots in America, his politicization of face masks, his claims of election fraud.

all in the quest of improving problem areas and only while they were cooperating,..Putin was never co-operating, he was playing Trump like a fiddle, has Erdogan done anything else but what he's pleased. Did he need to singing Kim Jong Un's praise while trying to negotiate with them, when he was negotiating with China on trade was he concerned about their human rights abuses?

Allied countries have been living off America for too long. Germany not paying their way is disgusting...as powerful as America is it can't go it alone in the world.

America’s standing is in robust health...lol Trump is considered a bad joke around the world and America's reputation abroad has never been lower.

watch this space...claims of election fraud are a farce. We can watch but I doubt you will ever accept that Biden won fairly regardless of evidence.


Nov 13, 2020, 13:55

....and he is a racist although it figures why you would deny that.

Nov 13, 2020, 14:04

Excellent work Stav. There wasn't one of your rebuttals of the Trumpanzee-rebuttals I didn't agree with. 

I'm guessing Moffie is too dumb (or egotistical) to realize he's been schooled on every single one of the failures listed . . . and not just schooled, but embarrassed and humiliated.

Nov 13, 2020, 14:10

Yes very impressive Stavanger

Nov 13, 2020, 14:12

I'm guessing someone with a currently crimson face is wishing he hadn't started this "survey"!


LMAO!

Nov 13, 2020, 14:18

:D:D:D:D

Nov 13, 2020, 14:36

Oh and as for Bozo's international standing, he was laughed off the stage at a UN summit.

Bozo was Putin's weak little bitch. In Helsinki when Bozo was pushed to accuse Putin of interference in the 2016 election, he basically replied saying he doesn't believe his own FBI and CIA agencies, and he'd rather believe Putin because he sounded believable. That's pretty much exactly what happened in Helsinki.

Oh and before I forget, another hilarious failure I should have mentioned was Bozo wanting to buy Greenland and creating a diplomatic stir with Denmark. 

Nov 13, 2020, 14:42

There is just too much to mention ...but I had to chuckle at the great Robert de Niro saying ‘he’s got a screw loose.’ 

Not only loose but well and truly corroded.

Nov 13, 2020, 16:06

As usual, Misty without a single intelligent idea to add to the conversation.


Nov 13, 2020, 18:06

Those aren’t rebuttals....you just restated  your original allegations. The Paris Climate accord for example has a minimal effect on temps by 2100.....at huge cost. It allows China the world’s second largest economy to be treated as a developing country. Why? Because China    are looking after their own interests and won’t participate if they aren’t met.


 The fact that the majority of Americans feel better off than 4 years ago....despite the media telling them how bad things are, is the clincher:


A September survey by the Financial Times and the Peterson Foundation found that a plurality of U.S. voters, 35%, felt better about their present financial situation, and 31% felt worse, compared with four years ago; a later poll by Galluppainted a more upbeat picture, with a clear majority of registered voters (56%) saying they were better off today. 


.........

Not one of your allegations has any merit....not one can be proven with real facts or numbers. They are simply blather.


Case closed.

Nov 13, 2020, 20:16

"The Paris Climate accord for example has a minimal effect on temps by 2100.....at huge cost"

Nope

"The fact that the majority of Americans feel better off than 4 years ago....despite the media telling them how bad things are, is the clincher"

Amazing that Trump didn't get re-elected when the majority of American's are supposed to feel better off? You know why, because of a majority of American's believed the negatives of another Trump term outweigh any economic benefit he might bring. There is more to feeling good about life than just money.




Nov 13, 2020, 23:48

Didn't he get re-elected?

I thought the election had not been settled yet.

In 2004 they said that media bias was responsible for a 15% election advantage.

That figure was later revised down to 5%. Still more than sufficient.

Keep in mind that this was prior to the social media surge.

What would you say that figure is today? 

More importantly, who was the clear recipient of that advantage in this election?

Did America really choose Biden?


Nov 14, 2020, 01:06

Did America really choose Biden?

Yes.

Nov 14, 2020, 01:10

If by America you mean big tech and legacy media, then I agree.

Nov 14, 2020, 01:43

No I refer to the ordinary citizens of America.

Big tech didn't choose anyone, but they where forced to step in when Donald Trump kept using their platforms to peddle lies and misleading statements for his own political ends.

While the media is generally left leaning in America, Trump once again did himself no favors by giving them a near endless supply of ammunition to attack him with.

Nov 14, 2020, 05:14

 Anger your blind belief of everything you are told reminds me most of a religious state.....total, absolute conviction. And the quasi religious language like Climate Change Denier fits right in with that.

Nov 14, 2020, 13:42

Its not a matter of belief, its a matter of basing ones world view on facts and evidence, somethings that are very rarely on your side of the arguments.

Nov 14, 2020, 13:49

Normally one would be worried when every force outside of the ordinary person leans to the left.

I hear that it's not worked out so well in the past.

And it's always for reasonable, moral and indisputable reasons.

Apparently history doesn't repeat itself, right?

Nov 14, 2020, 15:31

Every force?

The media may be mostly left wing in the US, but there is still right wing news sources in the US, plenty of them online.  In the political realm the right wing had up till this election had control of the Presidency and the Senate and may still have control of the Senate after this election and the Supreme court in America has now a 2 to 1 majority of right wing judges over left wing.

So no not every force in America is left wing.

Sure some extreme left wing regimes in the past have been truly awful. So have some extreme right wings regimes, but there is various degrees in between each of them before you arrive at such a point and the vast majority of people don't want either.

History can of course repeat itself but that cuts both ways.






Nov 14, 2020, 17:55

 

Nov 14, 2020, 18:02

   

Nov 14, 2020, 18:49

Big tech, most of legacy media, all of Hollywood and other entertainment, universities, big business...shall I continue?

Most of which have painted Trump as the hateful(place any derogatory term here) figure. And most of it has been lies.

Not sure if you missed it but some democrat leaders are now calling for lists to be made of those that supported Trump and those that are calling for the election to be audited in order to ensure that democracy has not been undermined. Normal people that must be tarred with the "deplorables" brush. Sound familiar?

But don't worry because the NY Post and Fox news exist. 

The list of extreme left controlled places that ended in horror is reams longer than that of places where they didn't destroy countries. You say "some" but you know the word you should use is "most". 

The modern atrocities of the far left is leagues ahead anything the right managed. Even if you count the Nazis, as you set aside the "socialist" part of the acronym.

Trump supporters seek to uphold the ideas of democracy and freedom which have been the sole force against which both the far left and right fell. I trust that you don't dispute this?

The democrats openly support the subversion of free speech, identity politics and the very same type of character assassination that occurred against people in previously rising leftist regimes that brought only poverty and death to nations.

In South Africa the far left are now in process of setting in motion the process whereby private citizens will be dispossessed of land. Land which the government will take ownership of and then lease to the public. Again, sound familiar?




Nov 14, 2020, 19:55

Bill Maher today touched on the problems with the DP. Even though some of his examples are a bit suspect, the general point he is making is spot on: people don't trust the direction the DP is headed. That's a big part of why Trump got so many votes - not because his voters are all low IQ rednecks as a popular opinion on this forum will have it, but because the alternative on offer is so dire.



Nov 15, 2020, 12:16

Somebody debunk this please...


Nov 15, 2020, 13:19

Are you saying they are not correct when they say the sharing of "biased and false news has become all too common social media"?

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/

Just look at the link above and you can see all the false news Poltifact have debunked by fact checking (and they list their sources they use to fact check), that's false news coming from the likes of Facebook, Twitter, Tik Tok, Instagram, blogs and viral images.

Fake news isn't news that you happen to dislike, its news that isn't backed up by facts.


Nov 15, 2020, 13:47

Star, 

No. Of course fake news is not good. Please, if you want to discuss something with me, don't waste my time with cheap misdirection. 

I asked you/someone to debunk the video.

Let's try again...

Explain why news companies, owned by different entities, are putting out the same "opinion", verbatim.

Let's see how how you Occam's razor it.

Simplest assumption - someone told them all what to say.

No?

Nov 15, 2020, 14:36

Plum

There is nothing to debunk, its a compilation video of news outlets taking a united stand against fake news. The poster of the video on youtube is obviously pushing the political message that the media is not to be trusted. I don't know who came up with the idea and I doubt you do either, perhaps one or more new organizations called round to other new organizations and asked them where they interested in taking a united stand against fake news as it would more effective than just a small number of media outlets doing so of their own volition and they got all those outlets to agree. Perhaps they also concluded it would be more effective if both left and right wing new outlets partook in the same message so that it couldn't be dismissed by one of side or the other as being a biased political message favor one side of the political divide or that one any of the media broadcasting it had edited the message for political reasons.

You really think one person had the power to compel all these  different news outlets which as you correctly say have different owners to say something if they don't want too?

No the simplest answer is that they all came to an agreement to broadcast the same message. No conspiracy.

Back onto fake news. You basically admit its not, but you have an issue with the media calling it out? Are they not entitled too?, or if they are entitled to what should they done differently in this situation? If they all had similar but slightly different messages would that of been okay?

Nov 15, 2020, 14:54

"There is nothing to debunk, its a compilation video of news outlets taking a united stand against fake news"

You sound very sure.

Are you though?



Nov 15, 2020, 15:01

Me - someone told them what to say.

Star - They're all taking a stand against fake news by agreeing to put out the same message without letting anyone know and despite reasonable evidence to the contrary in terms of the substance of their message.

You know how Occam's razor operates, right?

Nov 15, 2020, 15:02

If you suggesting a conspiracy that all news media is being controlled by one source the onus is on you to prove it.

Nov 15, 2020, 15:13

Ah, ok...

So you can't debunk the suggested purpose of the video then.

Cool. 

Thanks for playing.

Nov 15, 2020, 16:50

"without letting anyone know and despite reasonable evidence to the contrary in terms of the substance of their message."

What do you mean without letting anyone know, they broadcast that message to all their viewers, unless your suggesting they thought no one would notice the message was the same from all these different stations. What did you want all these stations to give advanced notice that where going to do it or say they where doing it in conjunction with other news outlets? What difference would that have made. People like the poster of that video or yourself would likel will still have criticized them as some sort of part of conspiracy.

So you have reasonable evidence that fake news isn't all over social media?

You haven't posted a shred of evidence to back up your claim that someone is telling/forcing all those media stations to say the same thing?

Once again the onus is on you making the claim to prove it.

Nov 15, 2020, 17:49

I've made no claim outside of asking you to provide a simpler solution than mine.

When different groups say the same thing, word for word, then the simplest explanation is that they're reading from the same script.

Hence, thanks for playing/trying.


Nov 15, 2020, 18:03

ButtPlug wants to believe in conspiracies, let him be...:)

Nov 15, 2020, 18:10

There are no facts on your side Angry Hatter. None of these complaints have any substance:

We left the Paris Climate Accord and outperformed on lowering carbon emissions,

We left the Iran deal and Iran is weaker than they would have been.


We moved the embassy to Jerusalem and the ME is in a much better place with historic peace agreements

We attacked terrorism and Al Qaeda which was allowed to flourish under Obama/Biden is vastly diminished.

Trump is accused of racism, but his support amongst Blacks and Latinos has improved.


........


Just a series condemnations and florid  language.....where is America worse off under Trump, nowhere that I can see. And prior to the virus it was vastly better off and would be again if Trump had a second term.

Nov 15, 2020, 21:05

"I've made no claim outside of asking you to provide a simpler solution than mine."

I've given you one. That the outlets jointly agreed to make the same statement.

"When different groups say the same thing, word for word, then the simplest explanation is that they're reading from the same script."

Your point being?...reading from a script does not mean its a conspiracy.







Nov 16, 2020, 03:21

It means each group is not exercising their professional obligation for honest.. independent...reporting.

Nov 16, 2020, 03:45

It means no such thing and you know it.

Nov 16, 2020, 04:28

Of course it means that...there is the simple belief that anything that helps Trump has to be denied. That means the media lands on the same number every time the wheel turns. 

It’s a religion with no tolerance for those who don’t share the faith.

Nov 16, 2020, 09:48

"It’s a religion with no tolerance for those who don’t share the faith."


Sounds like a pretty good description of Trumpism.

Surprised Moffie hasn't slunk away form this thread after getting completely and utterly pwned by Stav. Moffie obviously not bright enough to realize he's been humiliated and schooled on every one of Bozo's failures that was raised. 

Every single one!

LMAO!

Nov 16, 2020, 10:18

Star has not yet schooled anyone on here...not that I've noticed anyway.

His tactics, while nowhere near as bad as some others, are flawed.

Accept these examples...

"Your point being?...reading from a script does not mean its a conspiracy." Neither does it mean that it's not a conspiracy. 

"without letting anyone know and despite reasonable evidence to the contrary in terms of the substance of their message."

What do you mean without letting anyone know, they broadcast that message to all their viewers, unless your suggesting they thought no one would notice the message was the same from all these different stations. What did you want all these stations to give advanced notice that where going to do it or say they where doing it in conjunction with other news outlets? What difference would that have made. People like the poster of that video or yourself would likel will still have criticized them as some sort of part of conspiracy. Complete straw man argument that intentionally dodges.

So you have reasonable evidence that fake news isn't all over social media? Completely irrelevant and misleading.

You haven't posted a shred of evidence to back up your claim that someone is telling/forcing all those media stations to say the same thing? I never promised evidence. Just offered takers an opportunity to provide a simpler solution. So again, irrelevant.

Once again the onus is on you making the claim to prove it. No claims are being made. A situation is presented and you are asked to state the simplest route by which the situation arose. I've stated mine.

Once you get down to it, avoidance, misdirection and a few other less effective tactics...but no schooling anywhere.

Alas, I'll soon lose faith in your MVP, Rooi.

Nov 16, 2020, 10:30

No worries, ButtPlug. I don't expect any of you Trumpanzees to know when you're being schooled. You just don't have the intellect and even if you did, you've all drunk way too much of the Kool Aid to change your little minds about anything. 


You just stay in your delusional little bubble and keep squeaking about all the naughty people conspiring to steal the election. There's a good little Trumpanzee.

Nov 16, 2020, 11:29

 I see Hugo Chavez's pals own the company that wrote the software running Dominion systems. 

And they still own the company...

Apparently, they specifically wrote it in order for Chavez to be able to rigg the election and stay in power. Now ain't that something.

I'm guessing you want zero to do with this particular rabbit hole, huh RooiTits?

Nov 16, 2020, 14:03

ButtPlug, I fact checked your Dominion claims (on this thread) and you are massively overstating the extent to which this software was used.


Only 12 of the 50 states used Dominion in the majority of their counties, 2 of those states went to Bozo (Louisiana and Alaska) and of the remaining 10, only 3 of those were swing states (Nevada, Georgia and Michigan).

Looks like your "rabbit hole" is just more of the same bullshit that you pathetic little sore losers are throwing around, hoping that some of it sticks to something.

Nov 16, 2020, 14:21

Wrong...

It was used in Nevada, Michigan, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Arizona.

It was used in 2000 jurisdictions in 30 States.

What now?

Nov 16, 2020, 14:35

Typical lefty "fact check":D...ignore the facts you don't like.:angel:

Nov 16, 2020, 14:36

ButtPlug, just click on the map I provided on the other thread (here it is again in case you're too dumb to find it), wipe the egg off your face and try again.

If you're going to simply ignore what I said about a majority or minority of counties in each state then note that Dominion was also used in Kansas, Missouri, Iowa, Florida and Ohio.

So, why aren't you getting all indignant about Florida, chump?

Nov 16, 2020, 15:27


"So, why aren't you getting all indignant about Florida, chump?"

Entirely irrelevant.

Very weak try, Rooi.

Nov 16, 2020, 15:35

Irrelevant?

Florida used Dominion software in many counties. Florida could have gone either way but Bozo won it. It's the only reason he stood a chance at all.

I think Florida is pretty relevant . . . should Florida vote again because they used the naughty Dominion software . . . or are you okay with that result just because Bozo won?

Hmmm?


Nov 16, 2020, 16:00


"Your point being?...reading from a script does not mean its a conspiracy." Neither does it mean that it's not a conspiracy.

Then provide evidence of a conspiracy. If there is no evidence of a conspiracy there is nothing to debunk. Once again the onus is on you to provide evidence, your taking the position that the media is controlled by one entity/source, you back up that claim. Saying they all read from the same script is not evidence of that.

"What do you mean without letting anyone know, they broadcast that message to all their viewers, unless your suggesting they thought no one would notice the message was the same from all these different stations. What did you want all these stations to give advanced notice that where going to do it or say they where doing it in conjunction with other news outlets? What difference would that have made. People like the poster of that video or yourself would likel will still have criticized them as some sort of part of conspiracy. Complete straw man argument that intentionally dodges."

Just pointing out the flaws in your logic.

"So you have reasonable evidence that fake news isn't all over social media? Completely irrelevant and misleading."

Its not irrelevant is a perfectly valid and legitimate motive for the news media to broadcast the same message.

I never promised evidence. Just offered takers an opportunity to provide a simpler solution. So again, irrelevant.

If your not providing evidence then why are we having this discussion?  I provided a simpler solution.

No claims are being made. A situation is presented and you are asked to state the simplest route by which the situation arose. I've stated mine.

You did make a claim, you said "Simplest assumption - someone told them all what to say"

I stated the simplest route.

Your picking the ground to fight on, but you don't seem to have the stomach to stand and fight on it.





Nov 16, 2020, 18:03

The usual RooiCoward tactics he claims I’m ‘pwned’ by some silly Leftie kid without any supporting arguments. No tit....not one of his arguments hold water. They are all just ‘accusations’ hurled at Trump most of which  aren’t even currently believed by the Media.


Trumps accomplishments by contrast are undeniable.

Nov 16, 2020, 18:03

The usual RooiCoward tactics he claims I’m ‘pwned’ by some silly Leftie kid without any supporting arguments. No tit....not one of his arguments hold water. They are all just ‘Google accusations’ hurled at Trump, most of which  aren’t even currently believed by the Media.


Trumps accomplishments by contrast are undeniable.

Nov 16, 2020, 18:30

Trumps accomplishments are few and relatively minor to moderate in size outweighed by a long list of failures which are much more substantial in scale. History will not be kind to Trump and his legacy will likely be that as one of the worst Presidents the US ever had.


Nov 16, 2020, 18:49

There you go again......just another assertion.

Nov 16, 2020, 20:22

Were Trump a WOC president that achieved the same economy and low unemployment...we all know how that story would play. As for the Middle East agreements, we'd never hear the end of it. How it took a WOC to do what no WM could ever achieve.

Time's person of the year, CNNs messiah and on Jimmy Fallon every other week.

No doubt Cloudy, Stav, Rooi and Tannie Dinnie would beaming with woke pride. 

I'm exaggerating. No way they could be that hypocritical, right?

Cough...Russia Collusion...Cough.

Nov 16, 2020, 21:18

Take Daesh ....allowed to run rampant under O Bama/Biden.....with a physical territory they controlled.  Trump’s team in no time wrapped up their caliphate and reduced them to a bit player in primitive countries.


Now according Anger that’s no accomplishment. But it begs the question, if it was so easy, why didn’t Uncle Joe’s team do it?

Nov 16, 2020, 22:18

Hilarious when you you consider that the Mid East in general perceive the supposedly racist and bigoted Trump more favorably than Hillary or Obama...and by a good distance too.

There's just not enough mental gymnastics in the world to get around that one.



Nov 16, 2020, 23:41

Too true. 

Nov 17, 2020, 03:04

Take Al Qaida ....allowed to run rampant under O Bama/Biden.....with a physical territory they controlled.  Trump’s team in no time wrapped up their caliphate and reduced them to a bit player in primitive countries.

Its Al Qaeda and you're getting them confused with ISIS.

This is just more Trump over exaggeration of his success. He's due a share of the credit in reducing the threat of ISIS but as per usual he's unfairly trying to take all the credit. ISIS had lost at least half it territory already by the time Trump became President. Trump also used Obama's strategy to combat ISIS.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1375/develop-plan-defeat-isis-30-days/

https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/10/15/who-really-defeated-the-islamic-state-obama-or-trump/

Like Trump Moz, you never let reality get in the way of a good story.


Nov 17, 2020, 07:18

If it lost half it’s territory under Obama that’s hardly a plus given it gained all it’s territory under Obama. But you’re right I was referring to ISIS or Daesh. Either  way this Obama creation was defeated in 2017:

2017 - Islamic State suffers a year of catastrophic defeats. In June it loses Mosul to Iraqi forces after months of fighting and Baghdad declares the end of the caliphate. In September the Syrian army races eastwards backed by Russia and Iran to relieve Deir al-Zor and re-extend state control at the Euphrates River. In October, the SDF drives IS from Raqqa.

* 2018 - The Syrian government retakes IS enclaves in Yarmouk, south of Damascus, and on the frontier with the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights. The SDF advances further down the Euphrates and Iraqi forces take the rest of the border region. The United States vows to withdraw troops.

* 2019 - IS fighters are defeated at their last enclave on the Euphrates at the village of Baghouz, the SDF says. The SDF declares the “caliphate” eliminated.


Last I looked Trump was President in that period and he finished the job by getting Al-Baghdadi in 2019.

Nov 17, 2020, 08:14

Bozo's list of failures is sitting on about 40 while his list of successes is . . . ummm . . . zero!


A one-term failure and easily the worst US president in history. You'd have to be as stupid as a Trumpanzee to think otherwise.

Nov 17, 2020, 08:48

Rooi, 

Thanks for finally clarifying your position.

Gosh, I thought you'd never spit it out.

Nov 17, 2020, 08:49

It's awfully funny that when Beeno slagged of Obama and Hilary no-one either objected or cared......I mean there were screamer headliners day after day which  dragged into years. That bit about Hussein Obama in particular was disgusting but again, no one reacted or objected like the Trump Puppets do when something is said about their master.

Go figure.

Nov 17, 2020, 08:57

There was nowhere near this amount of interest in politics at that stage, Denny.

And this not about Trump the man.

How do you still not understand that?

Nov 17, 2020, 09:09

Wait on......are you telling me that there aren't posters on here who thought a hell of a lot about Obama? You can start the count with me if that's what you think. 

The point I make is that Beeno's comments were disgusting but no-one cared meaning whatever he said about the man was acceptable. Perhaps you can argue that now there are more Beeno's it's just that the  dislike is directed at Trump. Still I don't get the hyper sensitivity attached to attacks on him.

Buddy, we can go round and round on this one, it's all just old arguments and points.....I hate long arguments, have it your way. Tomorrow is another day and our lives will roll along as if nothing had changed.

Nov 17, 2020, 09:35

He lost!!!

What don’t you people in the Cretin club understand about those two words? And obviously Florida is not an issue because he won there oh duh....even Misty gets that.

Bunch of pathetic whingers. He lost get over it, if you can’t then ask your cretin mate for some of that hoochie stuff he inhales.

Nov 17, 2020, 11:49

Who is in this Cretin club" miss Cloudy....?

Nov 17, 2020, 11:57

...and indeed, does the "Lonely Hearts Club" spend its time dreaming of cretins?

It would really seem so haha

Nov 17, 2020, 12:04

Denny....

Because they hated Hillary and Obama so no one pulled him up. It’s the same with the mateship there’s no loyalty you know that. I only got crap from one person before Trump so to say this has nothing to do with politics is bs. If you’re not a trumpet then your opinion is not valid although with this person it never was. Just proves how insecure these trumpets are that they can’t deal with this egotistical man’s loss....quite pathetic to see grown men, even old ones act like him. He certainly has transformed lives and not for the better.

Oh well let them have their fun I’m sure they all sleep well at night. I know I do.

Nov 17, 2020, 12:11

Buttplug still craving my attention....don’t you have a girlfriend to amuse or did she leave you after her name got dragged through the mud and her cowardly boyfriend was silent?

Nov 17, 2020, 12:12

And just in case you forgot here’s a little reminder....


Lara ... I wasn't accusing Plum of sodomizing his girlfriend ... or the use of anal probes on himself during his one on one sessions ... with whomever ... I was saying it flat out ... merely repeating what he had already admitted to on here.

He couldn't refute it ... and so he didn't bother. This kind of filthy behaviour is acceptable to him. It's what he does. It's who he is.    

He doesn't like your God ... nor mine ... he claims they do not exist ... but believes in little green men flying around in spaceships. He's totally fixated with this nonsense.   

He has an issue with you ... you are a kiwi for one  ... with rugby sides that are simply better than the shit we dish up ...  and you just so happened to believe in a higher being, God.

It's good that you defend yourself ... don't let him back you up. Stand firm, Lara.

He's a sick fuck ...  a pervert ... with some strange beliefs ... not the type you'd want over for a barbecue and a few cold beers.

Dismiss him for the piece of shit he is and don't allow him to get you riled up.

Nov 17, 2020, 12:15

‘He couldn’t refute it....and so he didn’t bother.’ :'(


So that’s boyfriend material?  Yeah nah....


Nov 17, 2020, 12:55

Well here's an apparently fact-checked list of Trump's hits and misses. Maybe this can help bring a little more objectivity to the discussion (if anyone here is interested in objectivity as opposed to just banging their own drums, of course).

Nov 17, 2020, 13:25

Beggers can't be choosers, Cloudy.

Well into one's 40s, still living at home and single = desperate.

Nov 17, 2020, 13:31

Good link Pakie.

Nov 17, 2020, 13:43

NY Times...

Yeah I'll bet Star loves that link.

This is the same paper that accused Nick Sandman of being a racist, etc. The same paper that he took to court. The same paper that had access to the full clip where it clearly shows the kids being racially abused and sworn at by three black adults, and responded by simply singing a school warcry...yet the NY Times chose to censor the truth and call the kids racists.

And just like CNN, they'll be taken to the cleaners by Sandman's lawyers and ultimately end up settling out of court for an undisclosed sum.

https://lawandcrime.com/lawsuit/federal-judge-greenlights-nick-sandmanns-defamation-lawsuit-against-the-new-york-times/

This is the same paper where the wokest of woke journalists resigned because the paper was too woke even for her...

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bari-weiss-quits-new-york-times-bullying

Tell me, how "objective" do you think these guys are?

haha

Nov 17, 2020, 14:09

Plum I know it's not exactly an unbiased source, but they do provide links to a variety of outside sources (including .gov sites) where you can double-check most of it and form your own opinion. You can certainly see a bias (like a vibe of "yes the economy was doing well but only until the pandemic hit") running through some of it, but at least it gives a fair list of things to examine and brings a semblance of balance. It wasn't all good, but it wasn't all bad either.

Nov 17, 2020, 14:30

Just to point out that Moffie did say in his opening post to us Trump-bashers that "the floor is your's (sic)" and we should list Bozo's failures. Not sure how this has become a thread about any tiny little crumbs you Trumpanzees can interpret as successes unless the floor is no longer ours?


I listed several failures which anyone is welcome to fact check. I haven't had a single person even try to refute one of them. Moffie tried to refute Stav's list and got enormous amounts of egg all over his fat face . . . so in the absence of any further refutations and seeing as you Trumpanzees have given up on debating the failures and have switched back to finding alleged accomplishments, I think we can call this thread a triumph for the Bozo-bashers and a humiliating defeat for the Trumpanzees.

Nov 17, 2020, 15:01

I didn't check the link TBH, Pakie.

Tend to not give wanna give the NY Times, WP or CNN any clicks. Not sure whether that helps the problem or makes it worse haha

All I know is that my snout is out in terms of these Dominion systems and the software they run with.

Anyone here is invited to make a case for the mass of co-incidences as concerns the origins, operation and security around these machines.

I feel like there are enough knowns/facts that a reasonable person should be able to make a call on what they think. Nobody here has. 

It's quite simple in the end. Do you believe that people overseeing systems that are able to alter election outcomes, will not cross the line?

Let's assume that's all we know.

Human nature suggests that people will abuse it. There's innumerable precedent for this.

Functionality is not a consequence of happenstance either. Seemingly, there were not only back doors but also code written that could manipulate the data autonomously.

Then there are complete statistical anomalies, only present at key locations. And they fall completely outside of the ranges in even deep blue states.

As a judge, there is no way you could simply write this all off as coincidence. Apparently, there are key players that will be testifying too...

That Sidney Powell chick is no joke. A skoonma from hell, and she seems confident about this.

Let's see what happens.  






Nov 17, 2020, 15:33

I'm  more than happy to provide links to research, evidence, facts and expert opinions to back up anything I've put down as a failure against Trump and debate them, though it would probably best to stick to just one or two topics at a time.

Nov 17, 2020, 17:46

And we still don’t have one concrete instance where Americans are worse off, less secure, less creative, less able to exercise their freedoms, more likely to die in foreign wars........than 4 years ago.

Just a bunch of media sticking points like ‘his recognition of Jerusalem as the capital  of Israel’. There’s a move Churchill would have been proud of.....but then again Churchill is so 20th century.


Nov 17, 2020, 19:18

The only sphere American's were worse off was in their headspace which the media and demS filled with lies.

Instead of enjoying the success that Trump brought, people were convinced that they lived in the worst and most racist country on Earth. They were told by the media that they needed to act and then deM mayors gave them a free-pass to riot endlessly and intimidate average people...with little to no consequence. 

None of it was Trump's doing.

And all of this happened because the public electing Trump was already an insult but the larger rejection of their status quo broke the camel's back. 

The public put them in their place and so they spent the next four years getting payback. 

Nov 17, 2020, 20:10

Watching Moffie trying to pretend he didn't have his head handed to him on this thread is like watching Bozo trying to pretend he won the election.

I'm actually starting to lose track of all the remarkable similarities between Moffie and Bozo.

Nov 17, 2020, 22:52

Well there are a few similarities which contrast with you Peeper.....neither of us are afraid of flying for example. I flew all over Greece in a copter flown by a crazy Greek aerobatics pilot....you wouldn’t have got past the bathroom.

As for my head having been handed to me.....elaborate....what fact or expert opinion floored me?

Nov 18, 2020, 05:58

‘Beggars can’t be choosers, Cloudy.

Well into one’s 40s, still living at home and single = desperate.’

Hmm you would know, you emailed me enough times :wassat:


Nov 18, 2020, 06:04

Yeah, those were the days, Misty.

What's your Snapchat?

Nov 18, 2020, 06:08

Your glory days when you were at your best, how I miss them.  Email me and I’ll tell you ;)

Nov 18, 2020, 06:10

I lost/deleted your email.

Only Snapchat from now on.

Nov 18, 2020, 10:16

Snapchat this :D


Nov 18, 2020, 12:23

The Bong is having its usual effects now that the cold turkey has worn off. 

6.10am Gosh, it's an early start, be a long day.....I hope you have enough supplies. Keep some for the Aliens, they're bound to stop by.

 
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