Tectonic shift in US politics?

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Mar 21, 2024, 13:12

This is from the New York Times. They point out that race only played a part in Trump’s 2016 win, and there was a more pervasive cause, the shift of working class non white people to the right. This is an excerpt:

Skewed polls?

Since Trump’s victory, a defining feature of American politics has been the rightward shift of voters of color. Asian, Black and Hispanic voters have all become less likely to support Democratic candidates and more likely to support Republicans, including Trump.

In each group, the trend is pronounced among working-class voters, defined as those without a four-year college degree. (The Democrats’ performance among nonwhite voters with a college degree has held fairly stable.)

By The New York Times | Source: Catalist

If anything, Democrats’ weakness among voters of colors appears to have intensified since 2022. Among white voters, President Biden has about as much support as he did four years ago, Nate Cohn, The Times’s chief political analyst, has pointed out. But Biden’s support among Black, Hispanic and Asian voters has plummeted. (My colleagues Jennifer Medina and Ruth Igielnik focused on the Latino shift in a recent article.)

This chart compares the 2020 results with the findings from the most recent New York Times/Siena College poll:

By The New York Times | Sources: Catalist (2020) and New York Times/Siena College poll (2024)

As John Burn-Murdoch, the chief data reporter at The Financial Times, wrote last week: “I think this is simultaneously one of the most important social trends in the U.S. today, and one of the most poorly understood.”

This newsletter is the first of a two-part series about the development. Today, I hope to convince you that the trend is real and not simply, as some Democrats hope, a reflection of inaccurate poll numbers. In part two, I’ll look more closely at the likely causes.

Mar 21, 2024, 13:49

It shows that education and economic status are bigger factors than ideology in the choice of politicians. 

Mar 21, 2024, 14:21

This analysis is missing huge issues like the Globalist open borders and the war in Ukraine, and the threats of other wars and talk of WW3 etc. 

Of course you can't admit young people don't want to vote for a war mongering Globalist puppet like Joe. 

Nor can they admit that Blacks and Hispanics are being, like all skin colour's, very negatively effected by open borders. 

Blacks are also not too supportive of LGBT and ditto Hispanics who are largely Catholic and more naturally Conservative. 

Economics is very important but polls show right now the border is the top issue. 

The breakdown of law and order in Demonrat controlled cities is turning Blacks and Hispanics away. As is the preference given to the invaders at every turn. America First makes far more sense to them.

Women are flocking to America First for security reasons. The whole trans perversion and men in women's sports etc is NOT a vote winner. 

People are understanding more than ever the political establishment is not governing in the best interests of the People

Trump will win in a landslide in any fair election. Hence the attempts to take him off the Ballot, incarcerate him and bankrupt him. All of which will and are failing.

Assassination is also a possibility if they think they can't rig the election to win. 



Mar 21, 2024, 15:46

The poorer people feel the detrimental effects of Obiden's policies on their income much harder than the white collar college degree doofuses.

Mar 21, 2024, 16:01

 From the results of the primary elections and  opinion polls conducted the drop in support of the Democrats amongst all race groups will be substantial more  what the pollsters seems to think.   The shift of the Democratic Party from center=left to  ultra-left is alienating them from the centrist minded majority of the populastion.   

Bidenomics is causing the rich to become richer and he middle  and workers to become poorer.   In the case of the Blacks and Hispanics the drift is fatal for the Democratic Party.   They for generations promised the Hispanics and Blacks that they would assist them when in need.     The ordinary people are suffering  - but the US Government is not helping..

To send billions on helping Ukraine while there is no money to help  the middle class and for working class people leading  to 49 million people in the USA being food insecure, while hundreds of thousands of people live on sidewalks.   The centrist people who got bluffed to vote for Biden by his promise to  unite the country and then did the exact opposite.  

Personal attacks and lies are all they have since their initial efforts to charge Trump with fake crimes has not been successful  and the majority of voters do not support that tactic of the Democrats.  

Mozart - I have a special question for you.    That James case in New York and the sentense after the hearing that prove nothing  results in a decision to fine Trump $459 million for no fraud.   Is that part of the new policy of the Democrats to follow the example of the Cuban and Venezuelan Governments  and steal opponents property - it s that what the new Democratic Party Fascists believe in and do you support that action as acceptable?    Bear in mind once successful they can do the same to everybody. - they can go for your residence as well.   Is hat how Democracy is systematically be destroyed?     

In the 2020 election the  DNC used funds provided by Soros tp organize and funded the  the inner city riots aimed at intimidation of people to vote for them  or face punishment.   Will that happen again this year.   Maybe that would not be necessary this year.   They have migrant gangs in cities to terrorise the US residents and voters anyway.   ,       

Mar 21, 2024, 16:10

I think it's easy. The left went too far left and the right moved nearer to the middle...which is where most people are, regardless of race.

Was watching something today where family planning doctors were being questioned by senators and basically admitted that full term abortions were okay by them.

Aborting a child the day it is supposed to be born!?

Seriously, who could ever get behind that outside of the mental gymnastic experts of Rainbow Reddit?

It's so weird, because I identify far more with liberal values than conservative ones...but I'd vote Rep if I was a US citizen.

Mar 21, 2024, 17:16

Was watching something today where family planning doctors were being questioned by senators and basically admitted that full term abortions were okay by them.

Would you happen to have a link to that?

Mar 21, 2024, 18:46

I have been telling this board for years now that Blacks, Hispanics and Asians are flocking to the American First Agenda. The reasons for this are very obvious and have been expalined on a number of occasions although poor mozzzie is probably shocked at this "new development" 

Now suddenly Mozzietard van Winkel The Sleeping Smiley Smileywakes up because the NY Slimes finally has to admit the truth.

I also very much doubt Biden hasn't lost significant white support as well. 

Mar 21, 2024, 19:12

It’s called being open to new information….I read the NYT, I read the WSJ, I listen to CNBC and I listen to Fox Business. 

You read right wing nutter sites.

Mar 21, 2024, 19:44


I asked  you a question above and as expected you ignore it.      A re you now a Fascist?   

Mar 21, 2024, 20:25

No too many of my family suffered fighting fascists in WW2. Nor do I approve of weaponizing the Justice Department. The various special counsels and impeachment attempts on Trump were very wrong. But so was Trump’s post election behavior.

We inherently know what’s right and wrong. And it’s easy to spot if one  just approaches each situation objectively. You for example know Putin  has caused untold suffering….you know that. Step out and condemn it unequivocally

Mar 21, 2024, 20:37

Here you go, Star


Apologies, on my phone so can't link the video as normal.

Mar 21, 2024, 23:03

There you go Plum

Mar 22, 2024, 06:25

I think that any reasonable Dem watching a video like this must probably think to themselves that between no abortions and abortions up to the final day of gestation, one is forced to pick no abortions.

...because murder, which is what it is at that point, is never a better option than anything else.

Mar 22, 2024, 08:37

I think that the problem is that when a abortion si done near to birth date and the aborted child shows signs of life th ere si evidence that the Abortion staff crush the heads of the childen  to ensure he or she is dead.    That to my mind is nothing other than murder.   In fact that is why in some states laws have been passed to prevent such late abortions.   The Abortion clinics have no problems they get paid the full abortion costs..  They then pay the mother $900 dollars for undergoing  an abortion - a lot o money for the very poor in the USA.

Incidentally the media was quiet about it - in the judgement of the Supreme Court the issue of  corruption in the whole process and the type of killing of live babies were two major treasons why the Supreme Court ruled that the regulations of the Federal Government often open to abuse be cancelled and the States be instructed to draw up legislations by the States - bearing in mind that Health is the Constitutional Responsibility of individual states and not a function of the Federal Government.   .

The story that the Supreme Court banned abortions is a lie spread by the Demcorats as propaganda - they just ruled that individual States must do their Health service duty by dealing with abortions and that States must adopt laws to deal with the issue - in other words to deal with abortions on the basic primciples in the US Constitution..


Mar 22, 2024, 10:18

Mozzietard posts - .I read the NYT, I read the WSJ, I listen to CNBC and I listen to Fox Business. 

This thinks mozzie gives him a great basis for knowing what is going on! Bwahhahahahahahahahahahahaha

Everyone of those organizations is Globalist controlled!!! Pure Globalist propaganda drivel designed to deceive the masses.

Mozzie doesn't watch any of the alternative media which today is in effect the MSM. Yet he thinks he is well informed! Incredible. 

Hence he only discovers the fact that Blacks and Hispanics are flocking to America first because the NY slimes finally has to concede the truth.

No wonder the hatter is so wrong about Ukraine. No wonder he refuses any evidence brought to his attention. It the NY Slimes etc doesn't cover it or lies to him poor mozzietard is none the wiser. 

I on other hand know what the Globalist media is saying and take time to refute it.

Consequently poor mozzietard crashes and burns here on a daily basis as his drivel is shredded.

The all of a sudden in a few brief words mozzietard says - Nor do I approve of weaponizing the Justice Department. The various special counsels and impeachment attempts on Trump were very wrong. But so was Trump’s post election behavior.

Mozzietard only says this through gritted teeth as Mike had him cornered. Where has his protests on this outrageous Fascist/Marxist type lawfare against Trump been. Mozzzie is also very quiet on abortion. He made some noises when i posted an abortion video exposing the horrors but like with all these woke issue and Globalist policies he doesn't fight them. He approves of open borders. Only on climate change has mozzie put up a fight but has gone silent on that issue as well.

Trump's post election behaviour has been spot on given the massive election rigging that went on and knowing as he did the consequences for America and the world. Will he have the courage and integrity to read the article about election rigging I have posted today. I doubt it as he only gets his information from Globalist publications and hence his abysmal understanding on so many issues.

Mar 22, 2024, 14:35

Poor old HasBeen, he is now as obsessed with me as Wanker Mike. I’ll give you the Wanker challenge….you find where I support abortion, illegal immigration and the legal actions taken against Trump when he was President.

No squawking ….just the quote. 

Mar 22, 2024, 14:42

I think Beeno is too used to the online culture where every person is either on the side of good, or a Sith, nothing inbetween.

Mar 22, 2024, 14:49

Its over Beeno...I have the high ground!

Mar 25, 2024, 06:54

What high ground are you talking about Stav - please explain..      

Mar 25, 2024, 09:20

Mar 25, 2024, 10:35


Thanks for the above.    I do nt believe there are any politicians caring about high ground - theyq re basically looking after themselves in the first instance.     After all - it is more honourable  to be a prostitute than a politician. 

Where I generally draw the line when it comes to corruption by politicians than in all other cases.  Insofar as the present US set-up is concerned the Biden administration is the most corrupt ever in the history of the USA.   Biden using his son to get money from companies based on influenence paddling and then sharing the loot using 25+ companies to use to alunder money to Biden fdamily members is totally unacceptable to me.           

Mar 25, 2024, 10:45

Beeno was born in the wrong place, at the wrong time in the wrong body.
He should have been a part of Isis, or the Taliban wrapped in a deluxe pig skin at the bottom of the ocean.

An unthinking fool...Brainwashed by a cocktail of the various churches he has been to, and his own self-delusions of main character syndrome. Before long Beeno will part the red sea...

Mar 25, 2024, 10:55

Shark, do you consider yourself to be a thinking person?

Mar 25, 2024, 11:07

Mike it was a joke. Only posted in response to Plum's Star Wars reference.

Mar 25, 2024, 12:14

@ButtPlug, let me "think" about that and get back to you...

In the meantime, being an outlier following alternative reality like you does not signal independent thinking, you just subscribe to an outdated mainstream like DumbMike.
...Or worse, a conspiratorial reality that is just bat-shit-crazy that will never be mainstream.

Mar 25, 2024, 18:23

Whenever you call me conspiracy minded, I'm simply gonna say two words...

Jeffrey Epstein

Ja...wat nou?

Mar 25, 2024, 18:37


You live on cloud 9 and specialize in conspriacy heories, media lies and other BS.   What is the main stream you are talking  about?    Is the Woke Culture now the mainstream?   Is destruction of history and culture now main stream?    Is the total control by the u ltra-Rich now the main stream?     Is the destruction of democracy now the main Stream?         

Mar 25, 2024, 19:55

Stav one thing about Wanker you have to understand is he has no sense of humor. Anything tongue in cheek he will always take literally.  A zombie with a wanking machine.

Mar 26, 2024, 02:22


When you have no argumens proving things and you make a fool of yourself  and proof of anything you think the BS you come  up is real.   You are always a loser  on site and always turn to personal attacks on anybody exposing  the BS you spout om site proving  you suffer from that terrible disease causing  the brain being taken over by shit.

Mar 26, 2024, 06:46

hahahhahahahahahahhahahaha man that was hilarious, the brain washed, brain dead zombie sharktwit who comes on here and on a daily basis posts Globalist talking points, gets shredded and does the same the next day. He has been in on all the now debunked Globalist narratives.
The drooling loon Sharktwit is a prize ass few can compete with him in this regard. 

Wanker mozzietard seems to be projecting  his inadequacies on Mike. 2 Thumbs Down SmileyMike lives rent free in mozzie's otherwise empty cranium. Is this the best the dope can do in response to be crushed by logic and evidence. I suppose it is. Hahahahahahahahahahaha

Mar 26, 2024, 06:49

Ditto the foul mouthed sharktwit and his use of the term buttplug re Plum. Its seems these halfwits are out of ammo, much like the Ukrainians.Can't Stop Laughing Smiley

Mar 26, 2024, 14:43

Actually no…..Wanker Mike in an inebriated moment told the Board about his wanking machine. Perhaps you missed that classic moment.

Mar 27, 2024, 01:17

That was years ago and a real joke -  you  are too easy to beat in arguments  on site.   and vicious like the snake  you are when cornered.   .  You are in a situation where  a prostitute is  more truthful than you are.     

Mar 27, 2024, 02:15

Lot’s of experience with prostitutes then? Funny I always thought you were otherwise inclined.

Mar 27, 2024, 05:24

Hey, prostitutes are getter at keeping marriages together than what marriage counsellors are.

Lets not disparage them please

:) :) :)

Mar 27, 2024, 12:20

Mozzietard has no sense of humour Mike he again missed the joke. He doesn't even realize he is the Joke!

Laughing So Hard Smiley

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