This is the resultofa Govrnment allowing terrrists toenter the country illegally through the open border with Mexico nd a Pagty who have terrorists subsidiaries - BLM  and Antifa _ while being soft on criminals.

The name  and connections of the ciminal who drove a truck at  high speed into the crowd celebrating the New Year in New Orleans,   The Policde had not identified the driver - but it as apparent that the intention of the  Diver ere clear - he wnted to kill as many people as possible.

The incident wa vey similar to one happened in Waukessha in Wisconsin in 2021.   That time it was committed by a career criminal with links to BLM.  He was released from jail with bail of $500 being paid by the lacksadacical aproach where criminals are helped - his release from prison was totally wrong and should never  have happened,      Althouhg the criminal  committed 6 murdes and faced a host of other charges and in the end he recevied a life sentence with no Chance of release.   

The cosequences of policies that promotes criminality by protection of criminals ahead of law-abiding citizens this type of attacks are to be expected.   .     

The latest unacy is "We will not allow attacks on communities".   That while attacks by crimnals and terrorist subsidiaries of the Biden Regime is happening continuously,    Look at not nly this incident - but atatcks by protected by Government criminals attacks civillians on a daily basis,

In the emantime it is stated hat the vehicle used in the New Orleans terrorists has a Texas registrastion number - and that the attacker is dead/    But what is his name and his background.  Will thta be a stat secret as long as Biden is President - that is in 10 days - when the Government  runs by criminals like Biden.ends,       

The latest unacy is "We will not allow attacks on communities".   That while attacks by crimnals and terrorist subsidiaries of the Biden Regime is happening continuously,    Look at not nly this incident - but atatcks by protected by Government criminals attacks civillians on a daily basis,

In the emantime it is stated hat the vehicle used in the New Orleans terrorists has a Texas registrastion number - and that the attacker is dead/    But what is his name and his background.  Will thta be a stat secret as long as Biden is President - that is in 10 days - when the Government  runs by criminals like Biden.ends,       

Mike...I will wait for the official report of why the Kazakhstan plane crashed.

Also Mike...despite the identify of the person who carried out the attack in New Orelans being unknown I'm going blame illegal immigrants.

I am not blaming anbody - I am just pointing out known facts  about what happened in the  past and is ongoing at present,   

Even Wray said in a House hearing that there are terrorists who enter the country through Bidens Open Border policies - but he is uable to suggest that terrorists not be admitted into the USA.   I refer to a similar ttack by a criminal which at the time of the incident was supposed to be in jail - but released by the Biden officials a week before the incident.     This man had moe e crimes on his lifetime than any ten criminals ould have in 20 years,   So why was he released from prison?   

When people are basically attacked on New York subways by crminals and illegal migrants do that not represent an attack on communities?

Stav

Since I do not trust a word coming out of the  Biden liar administration - I suspect that the name would nt be released.   However the name has been releaed and the name is SHAMSUD BIN JABBAR.   OBVIOUSLY HE WAS ALLOWED TO ENTER THE USA AND NOW IT IS ALLEGED HE MAY BE A US CITIZEN/    

Whether the latter is true or not - the Biden Open Border policies allowed for such terrorist entries into the country.     

It appears that Jabbar was a 42-year-old American citizen born and raised in Texas. He was Muslim. 

Does it make sense to allow Muslims into the country if their is going to be these type of problems?

Whoever he was, he was flying an ISIS flag from the truck…..

Does it make sense to allow Muslims into the country if their is going to be these type of problems?

You just said he was American?

He is an American Muslim, although clearly he identifies more with the Muslim state than America. It is perhaps academical if he was born in the US or in the Middle East, or any where else.

The point is that if more are given citizenship, this stuff would just surely increase. 

We have just seen a similar event in Germany. 
We saw what happened in Moscow where hundreds were killed or injured.

The attack in the UK was not Muslim, but initially I suspected it was until after the verified reports. 

Sometimes after a few of the incidents occur, they start popping up all over the world.

He is an American Muslim, although clearly he identifies more with the Muslim state than America. It is perhaps academical if he was born in the US or in the Middle East, or any where else.

The point is that if more are given citizenship, this stuff would just surely increase.

What is with this fixation on banning Muslims. Yeah I understand that Islamic terrorism has been the most prominent form of terrorism for the last two decades in west but can you try applying some perspective.

There was never calls for banning the Irish when the IRA where letting off bombs for 30+ years or Spaniards when ETA was active. Where is the call to ban Italians from America, I mean the mob have killed way more people than Islamic terrorists have. How many mass gun shootings in America, nope not a problem just say "thoughts and prayers" and that covers off that issue.

From 9/11 through to 2023 the number of people killed in the US mainland in acts of violent extremism committed by Muslims was 145. You can add on another 10 from today.

The total number of homicides in the US between 9/11 and 2023 was...312,317. So in that period Muslims where responsible for less than 0.05% of those deaths.

But here's an every better statistic...the number of people killed in the US between 2006 to 2021 by lighting strikes was 444.

Statistically if you live in the United States the threat of being killed by lightning is around 3 times greater than being killed by an Islamist attack.

We have just seen a similar event in Germany.

That attacker wasn't Muslim.

We saw what happened in Moscow where hundreds were killed or injured.

Of course that Islamist attack in Moscow was appalling and for all of the Russian states many crimes innocent civilians should never be targeted, but seriously at this how much blood does the Russian state have on its hands since it invaded Ukraine. Every single Islamist attack on the west for the last 50 years included 9/11 pales into comparison to the lives lost and the damaged down by Russia's invasion, yet no is talking about banning Orthodox Christians from western countries.

Sometimes after a few of the incidents occur, they start popping up all over the world.

Perspective please.

Some good points Stav, but I still think that it is a mistake letting more in.

During the time when the IRA were bombing the UK, I would have preferred to have reduced Irish immigration. If the bombings had continued, and become too extreme- like say a 9/11,
I think a total ban would have been required.

If their are problems between the cultures, I think it is best to avoid the problem - at least for the present term. 
Although Ireland does have more cultural connection to the UK- than say Iran. Also, the problem has since be relegated to history - and does not appear to be an issue now or in the future. 

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Sometimes after a few of the incidents occur, they start popping up all over the world.

Perspective please.

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It appears that their was just another confirmed terrorist attack on a Tesla vehicle that was blown up outside of Trump Tower. It appears to have been fireworks and explosive material. That might explain why their was smoke before the explosion/

Imagine Westerners went to Arab countries, and started blowing up places and committing terrorism, surely the local residents would not be happy with it. They would start to associate this type of stuff with Westerners.

The west has been blowing the ever living sh*t out of Arab countries for decades. And yes the locals weren't happy about it and started to make associations about westerners.

I was talking about civilians, not military actions by the army. Like someone working a 9/5 job, and suddenly decides to mow people down as they drive home after a day at work.

Although, as I say it is not all their fault. Taking out Saddam Hussein was a major military mistake by the West.

Still, if not many Western people are moving to the Middle East, why should they be allowed in such high numbers here?
The Democratic consensus is reduced immigration from Muslim countries - illegal or legal.

Stav

The est has not been blameless about that ahppened in the ME and in Iran and Afghanistan - since 1991 the US  started 3 wars in the ME - while allowing Radicalized Muslims to ente their countries,    

At lesast two of the of the Wars were based on lies - especially the lie that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction - which was pedalled bya lie in the S ente by Mueller,   Also the USA used depleteed uranium bombs in te Iraq War that killed and infectred ove a million children in Iraq.

However, there is a counter-argument because the Koran has enouraged violence in defense of the Islamic Religion  or enhances its growth,    In such cases dath of peple who peform such function gets rewarded after death, 

It is for that reason one finds the ehancement of terrorism involving the Muslims.   As a French friend of mine said in 2003 - any war against Muslims never ends - the F nch had exprienced that over a 1000 years after 792 when the French repulsed a Muslim from then under Muslim rule attack of the French kingdom and it was and ongoing in countries in Africa where the French has had troops by 2003.     He said that the USA will win battles in such wars - but lsot the peace,

Must agree with what he said.    The problem is that the USA and the EU countries allowed Muslims into their countries - some with valid immigration policy -but the overwhelming numbers of illegals entering and settling in countries.   Amongst both groups are radicalized Muslims and when their children are borne in their new counries they become - many children are radicalized  as well.  

One only has to look at 9/11, the London 2007 terrorist attacks in 2007, bt also the Paris attacks more recntly to realize that the Western coutries allowed rdicals into their  countries or even bcoming radicalized after birth in their new countries.   

Under Biden the Open Border policies encouraged tens and thusands of radicalized Muslims to come to the USA, Canada and the EU countries with their own Open Border policies.   I will give you an example where it happened .where the West themselve encouraged terrorism by Muslims.   As early as 2007 the owner of he TV station were Zelenskyy worked started a private army that was called the Asov Batallion in Ukraine.   The army became stengtheend by joining of thousands of ISIS soldiers after their defeat in Iraq and Syria.   After the  coup in 2014 during which the said battalion killed thousands of civilians in Mariopol and Odessa the Battalion was registered as a terrorist and mercenary organization and that left the USA with a  problem so the Battalion was incorporated  into the Ukraine Army -  but the retained their own command structure.

Tha Battalion had large numbers of radicalized Muslims in the Battlion an they were the people who made a major terrorist attack in Moscow afte the USA Intellient service warned the Russian Government about the potential terrorist attacks on a theate in Moscow.   How did the US Government knew the attack was forthcoming?    Well it came out of their informers in Ukraine and the attack was engineered in Ukiane by radicalized muslims being part of the Asov Batatlion.  

According to proven reports the Terrorists who attacked the Moscow theatre came from Ukraine and tried to return to Ukraine after the attack - but was caught by Russian soldies,   So the USA are in Ukraine providing arms to radicals in Ukraine and the army supplie the USA left behind when they fled from Agnistan is now used by ISIS and by off-shoots of El Qaeda and the Taliban.    It was proven that in the firs six months after the Rusian Inasion started in 2022 only 30% of the weaponry supplied by the USA reached the Ukraine amy - the rest reached the armaments black markets wordwide and was even admitted in heaings of the USA Senate.

In essense the USA and EU Governments dug their own grves by allowing Muslims nto their countries without checking their links to terrorist organization.    Over the last three weeks there was an attack on  Chrisms market in Germany by what is called "sleepers" and those attacks are getting worse,   

Over the last two das there were two attacks in the SA - the first one in New Orleans and the scond one in Las Vegas.   In New Orleans it was a Muslim that became an ISIS supporter who was known to spread violent threats on the internet and caused the deaths 15 people.  The second attack in Las Vegas was an explotion of a bomb in a rented out Tesla truck utside the Trump Interntional Hotel in Las Vegas - where 1 person got killed and 10 injured,    Not enough about the latest attack  is known yet.

What is clear is that the world is siing on a dynamite keg  that can explowed happen anywhere in the world can explode regularly from this year onwards.    Open Borders always hsd negative results  and is bound to get worse,   There were  already wo assassinaion attempts on Trump and more si to come from criminals not associated with Muslim extremist - but with internal terrorism by non-Muslims and one can expect further asssnion attempts to be organized by non-Muslims - so the threats are not coming from Muslims but also from internal criminals internally linked to politcal criminals within the USA.  We are indeed living in a world where terrorism is a major theart.    

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SB

That democratic move to ban unlimited inflo is a recent reaction in EU countries - but under the Biden Regime it was encouraged for people from all over the world and that include radicalized Muslims as well.   

The DP terrorist susbiduaries BLM and  Antifa  organized the Hamas riots at colleges all over the USA and that is going to get worse in months to come.  By thee way the riots were funded by George S oros and the prtizker Foundation represented by Pritzker - the present Governor of Illinois,

Those two will be in huge shit the moment Trump assumes the Presidency..

I was talking about civilians, not military actions by the army. Like someone working a 9/5 job, and suddenly decides to mow people down as they drive home after a day at work.

Although, as I say it is not all their fault. Taking out Saddam Hussein was a major military mistake by the West.

What's the difference, huge numbers of Arabs/Muslim civilians have been killed by those military interventions. I'm not saying all the interventions where unjustified but if take just the Iraq War alone which wasn't justified, the number of civilians killed there far out weighs the number of civilians killed by Islamic terrorism in the west. Israels current military campaign has killed I believed around 46,000 in Gaza and even by Israel's own account's they say one civilian dies for every combatant killed. That military campaign is only possible because the west supplies the weapons. 

Do you think Arabs/Muslims are setting there thinking, ah sure the west is fine, they may accidentally kill ten if not hundreds of thousands of us, but that's collateral damage and sure their intentions are pure.

There is this insane disconnect Westerns have where they look down their noses at Arab's/Mulsim's and lecture them about morality and calling them uncivilized when the west has a huge amount of blood on its hands as well.

Still, if not many Western people are moving to the Middle East, why should they be allowed in such high numbers here?

Because Westerner's generally don't want too immigrate there. Why would you move to the middle east when you have a higher standard of living in the west. But I will point out there is at least two Arab countries where the majority of the population are immigrants, UAE and Bahrain. The entire economic model of the country depends on foreign immigrants. Mostly from Asia.

And the reason why they are allowed move to the west, like any other immigrants, is economic.

The Democratic consensus is reduced immigration from Muslim countries - illegal or legal.

That democratic consensus can change. The whole debate around immigration needs to better. There is far too much scare mongering about it and Muslims, its replaced the Reds under the bed scare. Not saying their is absolutely no issues with immigration legal or otherwise or that Islamic terrorism is not an issue but the fear mongering about them is overboard.

I mean just take a look at the numbers killed by organized crime and compare that to Muslim terrorism. Yet no one freaks out about that.

https://themobmuseum.org/blog/u-n-organized-crime-killed-1-million-from-2000-to-2017-big-mafia-takedown-in-italy-chinese-extortion-in-argentina-rampant-mob-violence-in-toronto/

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The earmongering is presetn but caused by real attacks.   Let me tell you something.    About 10 years ago that it became known of gasfields off the cost of  Mozambique.   International oil companies ebcame invovled and a lot of  SA citizens were recruited to provide storge and other activities.   SA was never involved in any wars against Arabs anywhere in the world,   So most of the workers stayed in a coastal town.     Muslim terrorists stormed the town and killed everybody they could find,    SA  as a BRICS member is close allies of Egypt, Saudi Aabia, Iran and the UAE.    SA now have to send troops to guard the area where its situations work.    So why the attack on people that never acted against Muslims?   That is what rceate pani when it comes to Muslims,    Some of my best friends are Muslims and they hate the radicalized version more than I do and hey fear them even mre thn they rest of the population does

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