The Bakhmut Meat Grinder

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Dec 13, 2022, 12:49

Russians are being mowed down at an alarming rate.
People with no military training and little to no military-grade equipment are being slaughtered.

If reports are correct, some Russians are wearing plastic toy helmets, world war 2 guns. Some have purchased body armour on eBay etc, etc.

Trained Russian army personnel form the rear, and shoot any Russian deserters that try to retreat. It is pretty much a death sentence. 

These are conscripts, many of whom don't even want to fight in the war. Some are from jail and promised if they survive they will be pardoned from their jail sentence.

Unfortunately for them, none of them will survive the war. They are mere cannon fodder fighting for a pointless cause.
It might just be best to shoot themselves in the arm, so they can't fight, and then hopefully they get a pardon as a war hero.

Dec 13, 2022, 18:19

Been Russian tactics since day dot, why change a winning way, people mean nothing to the Russian leaders, they have plenty of man power to throw on the heap.

Only difference today is its a lot harder to hide the truth from the slaves than it used to be. Hopefully its not far off before the slaves realise what the death toll is

Dec 13, 2022, 21:30

Horrible...absolutely horrible...this has to stop!...where's the hard diplomacy? There seems to be no will to stop this diplomatically ...they're going for a military outcome...fucking insane!

Dec 14, 2022, 17:53

Over 400 Ukrainian soldiers injured and dying there everyday by conservative western think-tank estimates. 

The west are having to prop up the Ukrainians with the Royal Marines and Mozart PMC now involved.

Zelensky is an idiot. 

Dec 14, 2022, 18:09

Russian soldiers stop fighting this war...they get to go home.
Ukrainian soldiers stop fighting this war...Ukraine ceases to exist.


Dec 14, 2022, 19:00

Ukraine will survive because nobody wants the shit they represent.    Maybe the Russians from East Ukraine they oppress will not be part of the future shit-pile dictatorship without any constitutions guaranteeing human rights in the Ukraine.        

Dec 14, 2022, 19:14

They will survive because of their will to resist and western support. They represent something a thousand times better than you will ever be Mike as long as you choose to live in that conspiracy la-la land you inhabit.


Dec 14, 2022, 19:48

You mean Nazi Nato support. Since the 2nd World War the Nazi's have run Nato. Your Nazi Germany gonna get stuffed a 3rd time now. 

Dec 14, 2022, 20:05

You mean Nazi Nato support. Since the 2nd World War the Nazi's have run Nato. Your Nazi Germany gonna get stuffed a 3rd time now.

Is that supposed to be a serious argument?

Dec 14, 2022, 20:23

He is just a troll 

Dec 14, 2022, 20:38

Atheists are very weak on history so you two are excused.

Dec 14, 2022, 20:41

He is just a troll

I was thinking no one could possibly be that stupid.

Dec 14, 2022, 20:52

Do your homework and don't be a plank for the rest of your life.
A plank has unbelief in God too ,the same as you.


Dec 14, 2022, 20:54

The Nazis have run NATO….hahaha….it’s amazing to read the stuff people passionately believe. I blame the internet.

Dec 14, 2022, 20:59

I thought you knew history Mozart.....seems not

Dec 14, 2022, 21:25

Well you don't,  willing to swallow ignorant goat herders but ignore the greatest minds on the planet.

You so called God is hiding in the smallest holes which get smaller ever day but is to scared to step into the light.

How anyone can think christianity is true beggers belief

Dec 14, 2022, 21:33

Adolf Heusinger:-
Nazi dictator,Hitlers Chief of Staff became Chairman of the Nato Military Commitee 1961-1964.

Hans Speidel:-
Nazi Rommel's Chief of Staff became Commander in Chief of Nato Forces in Central Europe 1957-1963.

Johannes Steinoff:-
Former Lufwaffe pilot became Chairman of the Nato Commitee 1973-74

Frans Joseph Schulze;-
Senior Lietenent of Nazi Lufwaffe became Commander in Chief of Nato forces in Central Europe 1977-1979.

I am sorry it doesn't cover every year but all you Nazi supporters can now rest assured in your Nato Fuhrer

Ferdinand von Senger
Adjudant to Nazi High Command became Commander in Chief of Nato forces in Central Europe 1979-1983.

Johan von Kielmansegg:-
General Staff officer of Nazi Wehmacht beccame Nato Commander of Allied Forces Central Europe 1966-1968.

Ernst Ferber:-
Lt Col Nazi Wehrmaht became Commander in Chief of Nato forces in Central Europe  1973-1975.

Karl Schnell:-
First general of Staff of 76th Panzer Coprs became Commander in chief of Nato forces in Central Europe 1975-1977




Dec 14, 2022, 23:48

We look forward to meeting you on the battlefield Moonrover.

You have chosen Russia, Iran and North Korea -And Beeno, DumbMike, SubstantialFool/RussianBotBrideToBe

The West, and Democracy are far from perfect - but it is better than your mob. 

We at least have allies that have our back - unlike your shit partners that are waiting to stab you in the back.

Destroy one of us with nuclear bombs, and our allies will finish you off. 
It is impossible to nuke Japan, Australia, the USA, and Europe - without killing all life in the world- including your degenerate selves. 

The West is the weakest it has been in ages, but a war will unite us and we are coming for you...
Disputes between the right and left will be forgotten about very quickly as we become united against the real enemy in our sights. 

Dec 15, 2022, 01:14

Secretary Generals of NATO:

UK….3

Italy …3

Netherlands….3

Belgium…2

Denmark…1

Norway 1

Spain….1

Germany….1

And the sole representative from Germany, Europe’s richest nation was born in 1934, scarcely enough time to be involved with war time Germany. Perhaps the better argument is NATO is controlled by Italian fascists? Well, maybe not.


Dec 15, 2022, 06:02

Mozart

The fact is the office jobs like Secretary and the actual commanders are two different people.   I am not saying anything NATO like Moonrover did.  

What I am saying  is that people on this site has been  brainwashed and they believe every bit of BS without question.   Russia attacking Ukraine to conquer it is total BS - there is no proof of it at all,   What there is proof of is that Ukraine is not the innocent baby and ideal democracy as claimed by some.    

You also disregard facts about the Minsk agreement to which Germany, France, Russia  and the Ukraine were signatories, as well as the Coup in Ukraine in 2014 that led to all the subsequent troubles in Ukraine.    It is a fact that the present Deputy Secretary of State - then Assistant Secretary of State Nuland - was even in Ukraine in the final week before the Government fell organizing who should be in charge of the new Regime - while the financing of the coup came from the USA,   Apparanetly you did not catch on that corruption of US politicians in Ukraine started as far back as 2012 - but grew rapidly after the coup.   

You think that Russians - who have lived in the Donbas area for centuries are worse than animals in your book and that ethnic cleansing in their case is fine.    You ignore the fact that in Mariupol after the Asov Battalion took over the city in 2015 caused the battalion to be declared a terrorist organization and not to be provided with any assistance whatsoever.   The Ukraine solution was to absorb the Battalion into the Ukraine Army and the fanatics are of the most ferocious force in the Ukraine army.   The US funded biolabs you knew about (?) after claiming it was Russian Disinformation before.   

Mozart you are a clever person - but don't fall for propaganda BS please.                   

Dec 15, 2022, 06:56

True, you go to bed with an atheist and you wake up with the devil. 

Dec 15, 2022, 07:14

"What I am saying  is that people on this site has been  brainwashed ...."

Are you including yourself?......and just in case you haven't noticed you are a member of this site:'(

Dec 15, 2022, 07:22

Hard to believe that Christianity and Putin the murderer is blended into someone's morality.

Dec 15, 2022, 08:12

I still battle to understand how some people still believe that Ukraine is fully responsible for starting this war...

I also find it even more unbelievable that some people also believe that the people of the Ukraine must just stop fighting and give in to Russia.....

What is interesting, is how this war has shown each person's different perspective on things like this, and it has been both surprising and interesting.

Dec 15, 2022, 08:50

The Orthodox Church worshippers in Ukraine are being forced inside their Church buildings to sing the Ukraine National Anthem instead of their traditional chanting. Old people are being manhandled (majority of worshippers) and beaten into a State worship.

For me all politicians are palookas. Some just worse than others. 

Dec 15, 2022, 10:25

Millions of children all around the world are forced into churches to sing hymns, listen to fairy tales and molested by perverts, surely that is more of a concern than worshippers being forced to sing the national anthem (oh the inhumanity of it all). Gee amazing how trivial shit fires up some people and major issues are just "who cares" they are getting what they deserve as everyone is evil and flawed anyway.

Dec 15, 2022, 10:38

What I am saying  is that people on this site has been  brainwashed and they believe every bit of BS without question.

I'd say you're the most brainwashed person here but then I remember Beeno exists.

Debating with you is like debating with someone who claims Mount Everest is not a mountain. A ridiculous and pointless exercise when clearly the issue is your information environment/diet.

Dec 15, 2022, 10:43

Gee amazing how trivial shit fires up some people and major issues are just "who cares" they are getting what they deserve as everyone is evil and flawed anyway.

A lot of politics is like that. Convince a sizable portion of the population that every politician and party in politics is just as bad as you and the people in power can get away with so much on the grounds "sure the other lot are just as bad"


Dec 15, 2022, 10:50

How do simpletons like Beeno and DumbMike even tie their own shoelaces?
They are MAGA rednecks. These people all share the same reality, and do not belong in the 21st century. 


Dec 15, 2022, 11:23

What is interesting, is how this war has shown each person's different perspective on things like this, and it has been both surprising and interesting.

Not sure who you referring to but no I don't find it interesting, I mean seriously, Beeno has been around for a couple of decades, now there's just more like him. But if there's one person who surprises me then I'd have to say Mike........more so having met him a couple of times.

Dec 15, 2022, 11:26

"Debating with you is like debating with someone who claims Mount Everest is not a mountain. A ridiculous and pointless exercise when clearly the issue is your information environment/diet."

I'm sure people think I'm exaggerating when I say that ou Maaik is the stupidest person I have encountered in my lifetime . . . but I'm not.

He's also the most stubborn person I've ever encountered . . . and yes, probably the 2nd most indoctrinated/brainwashed person I've ever come across . . . after Baboon-ou of course. 


Dec 15, 2022, 11:50

Stav

I do like debates based on substantial research - not on media stories.   The story of Ukranians  residing in the Donbas area before the 1770's is total BS.    Ukraine was at that time not even an independent country - it was part of the Poland-Lithuania Commonwealth while the Donbas area fell under the Crimea Sultanate.   The  Donbas area had very small groups of Tartan Kossaks living a nomadic lifestyle since capture by the Turks or Crimeans would mean automatic enslavement.

In one of the major wars against the Ottoman Empire and their Crimea subsidiary - Potemkin managed to capture the whole peninsula and the Donbas region.   It was basically a depopulated area and Catherine the Great encouraged and move subordinates from Bulgaria and Russia to the area.  However, she had another idea that materialized 40 years after her death.   She wanted to cultivate a separate Greek Empire in the Balkans with her youngest son beoming the Emperor.    She wanted to curry favor with the Greeks and many Greeks also moved to Donbas area and the Crimea.      The whole idea was to enhance the development of Greece and  the Balkans under the hegemony of the Russians.    It never materialized because towards the end of her reign the revolution in Frace became a threat to Russia.   

Once a story in the media start about Ukrainians living in the Donbas area it is clearly BS.   As to the Crimea  Under the Russian Empire people were encouraged to move there and many moved there while the naval facilities also was followed by influx of Russians into the Crimea,  However, your dear leader Stalin in the 1930's decided to take more than 3 million Tartars from the Crimea and sent them to his beloved slave camps in Siberia.   That left huge empty spaces without people and Stalin filled it by moving people from Russia to the Crimea,   There were virtually zero Ukrainians in the Crimea and in the Donbas area,  After the death of Stalin the deportees were allowed to return to the Crimea,   There were only circa 200 000 returnees,      

There were before 1991 virtually no Ukrainians living in the Crimea,  After that date a miniscule move by Ukrainians to the Crimea so by 2011  -

*    85% were ethnic Russians;

*    10% were Tartars; and

*     5% were Ukrainians.

Be it as it may - you lot do not regard Russians as human beings - they are worse than animals and ethnic cleansing is the answer to get rid of them at all costs.   That would allow for the warmongers an opportunity to get hold of the naval facilities in the Crimea - a dream that also led to the Crimea War in 1856.

The above are according to research the situation - but according to the brainwashed is Russian disinformation.   When facts are raised the attacks on people doing so are spreading Russian  Disinformation.   A debate with you is classical.   LMAO          

                                

Dec 15, 2022, 11:56

LMOA .....???

Dec 15, 2022, 12:11

All these atheists who complain about perverts in the Church are probably the very same ones who were kicked out of the Church because of their perverseness.


Dec 15, 2022, 12:19

Denny

A much more interesting subject is the Aussie jockeys,   I was betting a few horses written by Pike and a number of times doubles and my betting account is showing progress,     Any advice as to other jockeys in Oz to follow?   LOL

Dec 15, 2022, 12:19

I do like debates based on substantial research - not on media stories.

Mike you have no idea how to do substantial research nor have even a basic ability to distinguish between fact and fiction.

Be it as it may - you lot do not regard Russians as human beings - they are worse than animals and ethnic cleansing is the answer to get rid of them at all costs.

It is Russia who is committing ethnic cleansing in its forced deportation of thousands of Ukrainian citizens. Mike I know you are well meaning but you just regurgitating the lies of Russia, as they go about killing, torturing and raping Ukrainian citizens.

That would allow for the warmongers an opportunity to get hold of the naval facilities in the Crimea

FFS what a load of shite. NATO and its various member states already have naval bases in the Black Sea and control of entry in and out of it. What on earth do they need Crimea for?


Dec 15, 2022, 12:39

Mike if you're going off the subject matter on this blog then I suggest you start a new thread in "Other Sports"

Dec 15, 2022, 12:54

Moonrover sounds like you speak from experience, how many churches have you been thrown out of? Good thing for you there are more denominations you can prey on than days you have left.

Unless you're a Dooley then they would just put a dress on you and welcome you to the club

Dec 15, 2022, 13:13

Rumor has it that God won't enter his church.

Dec 15, 2022, 13:21

There are no morals with atheism. Just a bunch of has-beens typing crap on the web. 

They say they support Zelensky their champion but if he loses then they just find another hero.









Dec 15, 2022, 13:21

Agnostics are interesting,deists too.

They do have interesting questions.....not this chip on the shoulder mentality.

Dec 15, 2022, 13:47

not this chip on the shoulder mentality.

LOL keep projecting mate.

Dec 15, 2022, 14:39

Sorry moonrover but I have plenty of morals, infact I am more like your Jesus towards our fellow man, you just have  a heart full of hate. you better pray your Jesus doesn't exist as I am sure he will not be happy for you to ignore his commands.

Dec 15, 2022, 14:55

Haha... you deny him and now you want to use him..... stick with Zelensky... he will make you famous. 

Dec 15, 2022, 16:15

Yet you accept him but ignore everything that Christians say of him.

Stick to your idolising of mass murderers, you and putin deserve each ithere

Dec 15, 2022, 16:22

Sieg Heil Zelensky



Dec 15, 2022, 16:25

If Putin was as religious as he makes out, he would have paused fighting for Christmas day.

These types of leaders are not actually religious, they just use it as a tool to get support from the ignorant sycophantic religious zealots.

Who supports Putin? 
- Iran
- North Korea
- Far-right Christians


Dec 15, 2022, 17:07

Religions were invented by man to use against the ignorant masses, always has and while it continues to exist people will continue to use it, be it for power amd/or money.

Worlds longest running scam but many are too ignorant to realise it

Dec 15, 2022, 17:32

Clever you say you are interested in factual debate…Ipost  a scholarly article blowing up the notion that 14000 Russians were exterminated by the Ukraine as you have claimed many times. You weakly debate the point quoting Britannica, which I then demonstrate, also disagrees with you. You then disappear but, then on this string you simply produce this as if it hasn’t been debunked:


 Be it as it may - you lot do not regard Russians as human beings - they are worse than animals and ethnic cleansing is the answer to get rid of them at all costs.   That would allow for the warmongers an opportunity to get hold of the naval facilities in the Crimea - a dream that also led to the Crimea War in 1856.

The above are according to research the situation - but according to the brainwashed is Russian disinformation.   When facts are raised the attacks on people doing so are spreading Russian  Disinformation.   A debate with you is classical.   LMAO’

………..

You should look up the meaning of debate. As for people on here hating Russians, I believe nobody does. But an unprovoked attack on a weaker country is an act of cowardice by Russian leadership.  And it is the heart warming story of the year that the intended prey turned out to provide a shining example of bravery, smarts and resilience

Regardless of any failings of their leadership in the past the Ukrainian people have electrified the world with their courage.



Dec 15, 2022, 17:47

I certainly don't hate the Russian people, the poor bastards are dying at an appalling rate which none of them deserve, now putin and his corrupt cronnies is a different  mater. Old cunts sending their youth to die for their supposid glory and over inflated egos is another matter.

If those in power had to lead the charge there would never be another war

Dec 15, 2022, 18:40

Snarkhole...you can't call anybody stupid...oxymoron...

Dec 15, 2022, 21:19

Mozart

Let me explain something to you about Russian Disinformation.   I got the figures of killings from Wikipedia - not really Russian disinformation - is it?    What was weird is that was about 7 months ago and if you are looking at the latest information about deaths from 2014 to 2021 - the figures has been changed drastically.    The 14 000 figure was indicated as being the case for the period before the Minsk agreement was signed and Wikipedia indicated at the time that the death toll after that was 4 500 during the remainder of the period 2015 to 2021.   

Other sources indicated that most of the deaths occurred in fighting around Mariupol that resulted in over 2000  murder/executions by the Asov Battalion of civilians in the city when they took over the city,   Another 1000 people were killed in Odessa  when there were peaceful demonstrations on labor issues and the same Battalion was brought in by the Ukraine Govenor - ee comments lower down about that one.    and the demonstrators fled into the Union Hall Complex - which was set on fire with the demonstrators inside it and all the "refugees" died in the fire.   Both the Mariupol and Odessa incidents were verified by the UN as having taken place.   It was after those two incidents that the Asov Battalion  was classified as a terrorist organization by the UN.  Even the USA ordered that they should not receive assistance through aid programs.    That did not deter anybody - the Batallion was integrated into the Ukraine Army and the terrorist label mysteriously vanished.

So what is this Asov Battalion?    It was started by a committed Nazi by the name of Andrij Biletsky - and was part of  the Facsist Patriot of Ukraine movement started in 1982.       Wikipedia called the movement as being accused by critics as being a far right and ultra-Nationalist - but there is no doubt it is a Nazi movement using the Nazi insignia on their regimental flags.   The funder of the movement was surprisingly the Yewish Oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskyi  - who also is the main funder  of the Party who supported Zelenskyy in his Presidential campaign.   

Another weird part according to Wikipedia is that in the attack in 2014 on Mariupol the partners of the Asov Battalion was the Chezniah Separatists - the main sponsors and starters of ISIS and the Boston bomb incident - as well as supporters of the Georgian ex-President Saakhalashvili - who were kicked out by the Georgians and in absentia charged with murder, bribery and corruption.- the latter is now the Governor of Odessa.    No wonder murder was the norm in that company.  By the way the Russians warned the USA about the two people involved in the Boston bomb incident - but the FBI did nothing about it.      

Does not seem to be a really kosher set up.    The problem is the above is all Russian Disinformation Wikipedia fell for and should  be regarded as false.   The Battalion from Hell is not a purely Ukraine organization - it is partly international and made up of fascists from all over the world.   Wikipedia called them ultra-right wing - but what is the difference between that and Fascism?   By the way Biletski was an honored guest of Biden when he was VP. 

The link between the Asov Battalion and Zelenskyy was confirmed when he  awarded them the Heroes of Ukraine Award.   Whenever anybody tells the truth of the Battalion - the members on site clams that the above is Russian Disinformation.   Anyway Zeleskyy is linked directly through the whole process to the Ultra-Rightists in Ukraine - so what can we expect for the future of Ukraine?    Definitely a dictatorship - Zelenskyy has already banned all opposition parties in Ukraine from functioning and had all opposition members of the Ukraine Parliament arrested.

So enjoy the above - it is all Russian Disinformation gathered from Wikipedia.  LMAO 

      

                     

          

Mar 11, 2023, 21:22

"Western/fake News" are reporting losses of 20,000-30,000 Russians - just in Bakhmut. 
If reports are true it is 10 Russians for one Ukranian.
Pawns are being sacrificed, but a good return against Russia who may need to do another call-up

Mar 11, 2023, 21:36

This isn't close to funny...a mouse bites a cat when cornered...who knows what the gnome would do when his side gets beaten...dangerous times if you think what Shorty has at his disposal...


Mar 11, 2023, 22:02

The Putin supporters were recently celebrating the victory of Bakhmut a few weeks ago, but still, the battle continues.

Russia's determination in this battle has been costly. It has gone on so long that this small place has gained much more significance in the war than it should. 

Saw Wagner CEO/Murderer claims Putin is not giving him ammunition, so he is blaming Putin.
He said the whole front line could collapse because of Putin. It is not clear if the ammunition Russia has is running out





May 05, 2023, 11:12

So, the Wagner group are leaving Bakhmut. 

May 05, 2023, 13:25

In any Western country a military  failure of the magnitude that Russia is experiencing would be debated fiercely. Mistakes would be highlighted, misconceptions exposed. And out of that necessary changes would be made. In Russia the best they can do is try to pin their failures on the West….and so they keep repeating things that haven’t worked.


Dictatorship isn’t a recipe for excellence

May 07, 2023, 10:53

In any Western country a military  failure of the magnitude that Russia is experiencing would be debated fiercely. Mistakes would be highlighted, misconceptions exposed.

Indeed. And for a reason, immunity. Impunity. It is way easier to confess mistakes when there is no consequences.

Anyone who has followed the war knows that Russia has punished people for screwing up big time.

After all that happened during lifetime, reading such denial is staggering for any simple minded.

Liberalism as a society project aims at removing all restraints possible from the upper society while put as many shackles as possible on the lower part of the society.

People at the top can admit any mistakes at no cost in this system of selective accountability, they are accountable for anything deemed good and unaccountable for anything deemed bad.

In fact, when they look at China and Russia, they see much wrong in the fact that members of the upper society are still possibly held accountable for screwing up.

For the fun factor, since it is an SA board, it is possible to find in Russia police officers who were sentenced to the death penalty for abuse of power over quota people.

Globalists keep painting the expansion of China in Africa as extremely harmful, dismissing that China is lagging way behind.

A former chinese intelligence member founded a ring to smuggle and stuff in an effort that could mimick colonization at globalists'hands.

Found out, recalled in China, tried and sentenced to the death penalty.

Notice at this point that the West have not lacking candidates for such sentences, on the very contrary, it is they do not consider helding their own responsible and accountable for similar lines of action mandatory.

At the bottom of it, their SA wet dream, people able to walk liberated going around unpunished.

Sure, it will be discussed at length, globalists will even write books, shoot movies about their screw up in an effort to milk the situation.

They know nobody would come for them. Makes confession easier.

 
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