The Yanks finally encourage Pretensky to negotiate

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Nov 06, 2022, 09:27

Brilliant, after all these civilian deaths, the yanks are finally seeking peace instead of fueling the fire with their latest gizmo battle supply. 

Russia couldn't sort Afghanistan and neither the yanks either. This battle could drag on for years and the the yanks must cough up at least 400 billion dollars for re- building their investment in Ukraine. 

Nov 06, 2022, 11:39

Russia was always going to win this one. The damage done to Europe and the USA is immense not only economically but in terms of creating a world wide alliance against the West. If you recall the words of George Soros that Western Civilization must be destroyed before the Globalist NWO can be implemented then it helped the cause.

See what happens.

I hear the Ukraine advance has ground to a halt with heavy loses of men and equipment. Russian has 300,000 more troops available and apparently have not stopped the mobilization which could add another 700,000 trained troops. Meanwhile Ukraine's energy and water sources have been decimated and it could get worse if this continues. All to stop 4 Russian populated regions leaving the Ukraine after years of persecution and killings. All to stop Ukraine from becoming neutral which of course makes Putin's point.

Seb must be happy. 

If you want to see full blown propaganda on display keep and eye on the Daily Express Russia should have been buried twice by now according to them. But many Brit are not buying the bs.

Nov 06, 2022, 13:01

If you want to see full blown propaganda on display keep and eye on the Daily Express Russia should have been buried twice by now according to them. But many Brit are not buying the bs.

That's nothing Beeno, according to the Daily Express the EU was on the brink/verge or is collapsing dozens if not hundreds of times over the years and it still hasn't happened :)

Nov 06, 2022, 19:22

moonrover 

I will believe in the support of the USA for a peaceful settlement in Ukraine if I see it    The only chance of that happening would be the Republcians taking ver both the House and the Senate on Tuesday.   

Where did you get the story about the USA supporting peace talks in Ukraine?    There are so many backhanders  going into the pocket of US politicians that any stop of the war promotion effort would be opposed by them.      

Nov 06, 2022, 20:38

Tens of thousands of people marched in Rome on Saturday calling for an end of arms supplies to Ukraine.... Financial times.

Support for these weapon are falling Mike. Just Stav and his warmonger cronies on here support it.

Hopefully India can broker peace talks.... Crimea is Putin's Holy Land and Zelensky wants him out. Two massive egos

Nov 06, 2022, 20:40

Stavass the EU is in deep trouble and none more so than Europe's economic powerhouse Germany. Biden is apparently charging them 4 times the amount for Gas. German industry is in peril.

This is a difficult situation to read. the Germans obviously know the USA in combination with Britain blew up the pipeline. They probably don't want to be an economic colony of the USA.

Some people at the Daily Mail say inflation in the EU is higher than in Britain.

The German Chancellor is over in China talking to Xi. Some speculate Germany will join the Chinese, Russian, Indian led world alliance. This could lead to the EU breaking up.

Benedict Biden is also in bed with China. So what is going on. Many moving parts and many options so one can only speculate which I am not going to do though I have some ideas as to what is happening. I do know where everything is heading thanks to scripture. I do know that the WEF are trying to implement things spoken of in scripture. I don't know the exact timing or precisely how although one can see the general direction of things. 

The Great Awakening is happening at an ever increasing pace around the world. The WEF agenda is not popular and resistance is mounting.

You of course are totally ignorant and even today believe the crazy man made climate change hoax.

Bye the way do you know 1 in 6 people in Britain were not born in Britain. That does not include children born to illegals.

Wonder how far the population replacement has got in Ireland.

Frankly if people are too stupid and too cowardly to safeguard their nations they deserve to be ousted.



Nov 06, 2022, 20:46

Yep over 70,000 of Russian youth is a great victory for putin.


Nov 06, 2022, 20:49

Why aren't  you a man of your beliefs and fighting on the front for Russia.

Let me guess you prefer others to die for your beliefs as they aren't worth shit as long as some one dies for your insanity.

Funny how the hard core aren't willing to give up anything but happy for the ignorant to die in their place.

Your a fuckin coward

Nov 06, 2022, 22:02

Hey CF, Wagner will employ you they looking for ex cons. 


Nov 07, 2022, 01:43

They are looking for anyone they can force onto the front line as a destraction, Lambs to the slaughter. 

Nov 07, 2022, 02:41

 Some story -  The Russians invaded Ukraine using 125 000  troops and of those according to CF and the media lost 70 000 men.   So Ukraine is wnning the war - where on earth did the 70 000 c casualty figure comes from?  

In the period 2014 to 2022 more than 18 000 civilians were killed in the Eastern Part of Ukraine by elements in the Ukraine army and that was never ever mentioned by the media and in that aspect is never mentioned as a factor leading to the invasion.      

In a question answer situation in the USA Senate under oath - a representative of the US Army admitted that only 30% of the armament assistance provided to Ukraine reached the Ukraine  army     A US Army Colonel was appointed specifically with delivery of the arms to Ukraine.   Since the above was under oath in the Senate the question mark is what happened to the 70% handed over to the Ukraine Government?    Was it sold on the armaments black market and who got financial benefits from it? 

The arms provided to the Ukraine was collected from the US Army - so it had to be replaced by fresh arms supplied by the USA armaments industry and that is where the kickback situation becomes murky.   Take for instance the Haliburton company who made billions out of the Iraq war of 2003.   The company is controlled by the Cheney family and they are again involved in  arms production to replace secondhand arms provided to the Ukraine army.     Trump actually mentioned that issue and that is the reason for the Liz Cheney witch hunt ever since  January 2021.     The f act is that Liz Cheney lost her House seat and Liz is now campaigning all over the USA in support of Democratic Party candidates in the midterm election.   If a Republican Party member campaigns to support and endorse  Democratic Party candidates such a member should be kicked out of the Republican Party,    She and her new leader Pelosi is involved up to their necks in Ukraine corruption and in kickbacks from the Armaments Industry

That is the reason why the Democrats are panicking about the potential outcomes in tomorrow's election and the latest battle cry of the Democrats to the effect that Democracy is under attack and that the future of Democracy is on the ballot tomorrow,     Since their policies had disastrous consequences for the ordinary people in the USA  - they do not defend the policies' of the Democrats the only weapon left to them is fearmongering about the future of Democracy in the USA.   They have lied for 5 years about collusion between Trump and Putin and is now believing that the US Voters would be bluffed again by their lies,

             

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Nov 07, 2022, 11:05

Some story -  The Russians invaded Ukraine using 125 000  troops and of those according to CF and the media lost 70 000 men.   So Ukraine is wnning the war - where on earth did the 70 000 c casualty figure comes from? 

Ukrainian estimates, as well as British and American estimates. I've also seen some reports that there estimates have gone up to 80,000. A independent Russian media project iStories has the causalities at 90,000 for the Russians.

Moscow itself has only admitted to 5,397 deaths. BBC Russia as well as a Mediazona another independent Russian source have confirmed 8,294 by checking deaths reported by relatives in regional new and reports from local authorities within Russian.

According to the Russian's Ukraine has taken over 100,000 causalities.

I don't believe either side's numbers. Both are likely over inflating the numbers for propaganda reasons and there is likely genuine but not deliberate over counting of enemy losses has occurred in virtually every conflict in recent history due to the chaotic nature of warfare.

My own personal view is both sides have taken significant losses, that proportionally to the size of the two sides involved are roughly equal, with maybe Ukraine doing a little better.

Ignoring all the issues the Russia forces have with logistics's, corruption, leadership etc, fundamentally the Russian invasion force was simply too small to end up fighting a war on the scale it found itself having to fight. The assumption must of been the Ukranian's forces would not fight and for the most part flee.

The Ukranian's hit the mobilization button on day 1, so now they enjoy the manpower advantage. The expectation is that Russia's mobilization won't significantly improve Russia's position in the short term with numerous reports of problems with the mobilized troops such as low morale, equipment shortages and cases of troops being deployed to the front line with no training what so ever. They might regain offensive ability next year but for now momentum is with Ukraine with them pressing offensives (albeit gaining ground slowly) in both the north and south of Ukraine, with a strong likelihood they will retake Kherson in the next few weeks. Only in the central zone in the Donetsk and the town of Bakhmut are the Russian's making even limited gains and those gains are coming from Wagner units not the Russian Army. Russia's drone campaign against Ukrainian critical infrastructure (which is a war crime) is succeeding in overwhelming Ukrainian air defenses and crippling Ukraine's electric grid and water systems but the Ukrainian population show no signs of breaking and the campaign is having no effect on the the Ukrainian military in the field.

So Ukrainan has the upper hand at this moment in time but that doesn't mean they will win the war or liberate all of Ukraine. All I would predict for the remaining of this year is they will retake Kherson, and push Russia to the east bank of the Dnieper river and they might take Svatove in the north. The Russian's might be able to take Bakhmut. But none of that wins the war outright for either side. I don't know what will happen after that.


Nov 07, 2022, 11:38

I predict that post the mid-terms...negotiations between Russia and Ukraine will be more of a topic and likely occur sooner than we think.

Ukraine will give up far more at the negotiating table than Russia will.

...and then we'll all forget about Ukraine.

I'm hoping that the weapon aid money is followed and investigated. Not because I think that Ukraine shouldn't have received assistance but because I'm damn suspicious of where that aid money has been and is going.

Nov 07, 2022, 12:06

The Wagner group has shown how useless the Russian army actually is.
The reservists are just cannon fodder to fight on hold the front line, while the trained army professionals hold the rear. 

If media reports are correct, many Russians who try to escape the front line are shot by senior Russian army personnel, or by the Wagner group if they try to retreat. 

Both sides have probably sustained 50,000-100,000 severe injuries/deaths. 

Putin will not stop until:

1. Ukraine cede some of their land
2. Putin is dead
3. His army revolts and stop fighting. Unlikely with the Wagner Group killing deserters

Putin's goal was clearly to take all of Ukraine, but to save face he would accept some of it.

Putin calls Russia a world nuclear power- because in Russian grandeur Russia is a word power.
Economically they are just producers of energy and natural assets - common to most dictatorships around the world. 
Italy is a bigger economy than Russia.

Nov 07, 2022, 12:11

I can't see Ukraine ever agreeing to give up any territory or the west recognizing any territory the Russian's have annexed but I could see a ceasefire happening with the borders frozen at the position along the front line and it becomes another frozen conflict.

As for Ukraine giving up more than Russia, Russia may gain de-facto control over more territory but at what cost?

Militarily its reputation has been trashed. If ever it got into a direct conflict with NATO it would be humiliated. As a major arms exporter, the weapons system it sells have been shown to be off low quality or have significant issues. With sanctions still in place would a third party want to buy Russian equipment when the Russian's may not be in position to build/supply it or provide parts for maintenance.

After all the expense Europe has gone to in sourcing new forms of energy and the view of how unreliable and untrustworthy Russia is, I can't see them turning around and buying Russia oil and gas again.

There is now way any territory Russia has captured could be exploited in a way that will offset the massive damage done to the Russian economy.

You really think Russia can gain more than its lost at this point?

Nov 07, 2022, 12:20

That is true Stav. Even if the West grow tired of the war, and this hastens some type of truce where Ukraine cede land: 

1. The economic damage to Russia will be far more than its gains in Ukraine

2. Whatever the outcome, sanctions will be permanent in order to force a regime change where KGB-inspired rulers are removed- and Russia has paid Ukraine economic compensation. 

3. In the meantime, all of the Russian assets in the West will be given to Ukraine to help them rebuild what is left of their country.

4. Russia will become a plaything for China, which will exploit its cheap natural assets. China will be in the driving seat, and they will dictate terms to Russia


Nov 07, 2022, 12:49

Stupid morons havnt even heard of Brics yet. The Russians are pouring oil into China and India. There's a new world order and its not the West. The Chinese economy is fast catching the USA.
While Europe and USA is bogged down with corrupt Ukraine into the next decade India ,China and Russia will take the world stage.

Germany knows this,Italy knows this.....stop reading english papers...get google translator and enhance your worldview.



Nov 07, 2022, 13:02

Brics is China and Russia. If you hate the West so much, that you want dictatorships to run you.

Although with the electricity situation in South Africa, it might be better to be taken over by China

Nov 07, 2022, 13:06

China has and is taking over Africa ,obviously you don,t live here.

Nov 07, 2022, 13:16

LOL, gotta love this shite about a new world order. These are the very same people who backed Donald Trump when he took out Soleimani and they are now singing the praises of this new world order that includes Iran.

Such a clusterfuck of contradictory nonsense.

Nov 07, 2022, 13:19

"....stop reading english papers...get google translator and enhance your worldview."


Wehe . . . here's Bendover - the most ignorant, brainwashed and narrow-minded fundamentalist since Tit - telling someone else to enhance his word view.

LMAO!

Nov 07, 2022, 13:29

Oi ...look whose here transgender Rooibek,out looking for some young boys to perv with again.

Nov 07, 2022, 13:29

A spokesperson for the German government has said it is up to Ukraine to decide when to hold peace talks with Russia, adding that Moscow has also been reluctant to participate in them.

The spokesperson’s remarks came after the Washington Post reported on Sunday that the United States has been privately encouraging Ukraine to signal it is open to talks with Russia.

Ukraine’s president has ruled out negotiations with Moscow while Russian President Vladimir Putin is in power.

Nov 07, 2022, 13:29

But if anyone abuses one of these little ones who believe in me, it would be better for him to have a heavy boulder tied around his neck and be thrown into the sea than to face the punishment he deserves!  Mark 9v42

Nov 07, 2022, 13:37

Bendover, do you have a stutter or did your idea of perving over young boys make you start smashing the submit button in excitement?

Nov 07, 2022, 13:40

We know all about you Rooibek......you the lowest of the human race.

Nov 07, 2022, 13:53

I guess it's the church's tolerance and condoning of molesting kids that makes fundamentalist bible-bashers like Bendover think it's okay.

Nov 07, 2022, 13:56

"When brainwashed religious dolts lose an argument, they predictably call anyone who does not agree with them, paedophiles"...SharkBok 6v66


Nov 07, 2022, 13:59

Indeed. Of course, they miss the irony that their church are the worst offenders when it comes to child abuse . . . but bible-bashers are not the shinierst coins in the fountain.

Nov 07, 2022, 14:00

Paedofiles,drug peddlers and gun smugglers

What a lovely bunch!    

Happy Sharktwit.

Nov 07, 2022, 15:02

Funny how Germany and Italy know that a protracted battle with Russia is pointless. They probably have read their history books by now, unlike the deaf and blind atheists on here. 


Nov 07, 2022, 15:07

St6av

You obviously missed out how the media went in to mourning when Solemaine was killed and how they attacked Trump for ordering his killing.    Now Biden is trying to renew the Nuclear treaty with Iran which Trump tore up because of non-compliance.  Will those negotiations succeed?   Sure it can - but it depends on the backhanders involved.             

Nov 07, 2022, 15:17

Brics is made in China and run by communist one-party states, namely China and Russia.
China is dependent on the West as it is by far its biggest market. 

Other Democratic countries (E.g. Japan and South Korea) will side with the West. 
Dictatorships will always stab each other in the back. 

Nov 07, 2022, 16:45

You obviously missed out how the media went in to mourning when Solemaine was killed and how they attacked Trump for ordering his killing.

That's a misrepresentation of the media's coverage of Somemani's death and you know it. The media had no love for Soleimani, but what they did have concerns about several other issues, such as the attack being launched from Iraqi territory with Iraq's permission, Trump not consulting congress before launching the strike, whether the attack violated international and US domestic law and the unpredictably consequences of the attack in the region such as how the Iranian's might retaliate.

What I find it odd now, is that many people who supported Trump's actions on the grounds that Iran was a threat and Trumps tough stance on China, now sing Russia's praise for building a so called new order to counter or surpass the west that includes Iran, China and even North Korea.

Its quite fascinating to see this section of  people who live in western society or consider themselves western but have been indoctrinated to have such fear and hatred for people in their own countries and regions who don't share their political views that if this opposing political viewpoint achieves political power in their society or region they will excuse or support hostile authoritarian foreign powers.

Nov 07, 2022, 17:30

Kim is your baby however any which way you look at it. He is the ultimate atheist... devoid of any morality... above God he thinks. 

Nov 07, 2022, 17:36

All societies have democratic and authoritarian people.
Religious people are typically more authoritarian. They were happy to go along with Democracy until religion started to slip out of mainstream reality in the West.

They now identify with Putin more than the West, because Putin is a fake Christian. Or is a fake Christian actually just a real Christian?

They have an outdated mainstream view of the world, and a far-right version of that to boot. Hence why they feel the West has deserted them.

As their reality dwindles, Covid has also thrown these people over the edge. It was difficult on everyone, but especially for ant-vaxxers that did not want to take the latest version of Mark of the Beast. 

The plan has always been to vaccinate them and turn them into black people or transvesites. 
Fauci has just implemented plan B of the gameplan- watch this space...



Nov 07, 2022, 17:41

Kim is your baby however any which way you look at it. He is the ultimate atheist... devoid of any morality... above God he thinks.

Because those god-fearing Russian soldiers in Ukraine with their torture and rape rooms are so moral right?

Nov 07, 2022, 17:44

Putin is not religious, but he is happy to use it as a tool to persuade the ignorant mass within rural Russia

Nov 07, 2022, 18:29

Seems both of you are battling with inner conflicts.
You support the God fearing Ukranian soldiers yet abhor the God fearing Russian soldiers.


Nov 07, 2022, 18:40

No just pointing out that religious people are just as capable of being immoral as Atheists.

Nov 07, 2022, 18:56

Stav

I read your statement about Soleimane with utter amazement.    Tell me something about the issue of Osama Bin Ladern.   Did the USA  had permnission of Congress in his case?  Did the US had permission to launch the attack on Pakistani land from the Pakistan Government?   Did the attack on Bin Laden violate international or domestic law?   Well I will tell you the difference - none of the above was raised in the case of the Bin Laden.   It was just when Trump did the same thing that  the media went ballistic.   You apparently missed the praise songs on NBC and CNN about how good a family man Solemaine was and how he did not deserve to die in the way he did.

Comparing the two cases it is clear that you wrote propaganda BS in this case.

In any event  I am not supporting Russia in this case.  I cannot like you prefer to ignore what happened in Ukraine since 2014 and the fact that according to you nothing happened that could have let to the Russian attack - which basically is not true     I also condemn the Russian attacks and with the media turned into propaganda material instead of news.     I am definitely not the warmonger some people on site are.   I also am aware through tons of documents on the issue of the corrupt activities of US politicians in Ukraine and how they benefit   from the present War. 

I still believe a peace settlement is possible - but I am not convinced that the c orrupt Demcorat and Republican politicians would not reign supreme in Ukraine.  

             

   

         

Nov 07, 2022, 19:12

There is no objective morality under atheism.
Objective morality requires the existence of a God and atheism denies the ultimate moral reality,the reality of God himself.

Nov 07, 2022, 19:46

There is no objective morality under atheism.

Objective morality requires the existence of a God and atheism denies the ultimate moral reality,the reality of God himself.

Nope.

Nov 07, 2022, 19:47

Sure, but you don't respect the morality of Hinduism, Buddhism, Catholicism etc, etc.

So it is not just religion, it has to be your exact religion to be right. Sounds more like Nazism under the banner of God


Nov 07, 2022, 20:52

One says "no" and the other says "sure" which explains my point. 

Nov 07, 2022, 22:27

Heaven is going to be a lonely place for you.

Let's see:

1. Atheists do not go to heaven

2. Religious people who worship false Gods will not go to heaven (E.g. Budasists, Hinduists etc, etc). 

3. Catholics who make up more than 50% of the Christian faith, will not go to heaven

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So God plans to send over 95% of the world population to hell....

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Wake up you fool, think for once. 

Nov 08, 2022, 01:12

Hey Sharktwit


All God's promises are "yes" in Christ Jesus 1Cor1v20

They are not "yes" and "no" as in your's and rooibos religion. 



Nov 08, 2022, 07:43

This has developed in the old SB contribution level.  When his BS is exposed  he reverts to religion as an escape mechanism.     There is one question he always refuse to answer  and that is a simple one - when was he ever personally oppressed by actions of anybody due to his anti-religious stance?    He is as intolerant on religion as Stalin and Mao used to be and we know the total death rate caused by Lenin, Sttalin and  Mao based on amongst others religious oppression was circa 127 million people.    But our dear friend SB wants to oppress religion in the same way his three leaders he admired because of their anti-religion stance did.    Add to that the anti-religious stance of Hitler and we can get to 140 million people.


Nov 08, 2022, 08:00

Stav

A bot of historical fact about  the Second World War may help you in the case of the Ukraine War and especially with regard to the Ukraine mobilization button.\ 

Stav is another really funny person.    World War 2 resulted in the deaths of 20 million people - the vast majority being civilians.   The fact is that there is one historical fact which Stav ignored and he got caught in a tangle in Ukraine as well.   lets get something straight for once:-

*     After the murder by Stalin of all the Russian army leadership - before the start of the German attack there were no Generals left alive in the Russian Army after being murdered by the Stalin Regime. - the highest officers left were Colonels with virtually no experience of wartime left.

*      In the frrst few months after the German invasion of Russia inexperienced youths under inexperienced commanding officers were forced into  war.   Of the 1,7 million youths from Ukraine for example  only circa 200 000 soldiers  survived after the first  three months of the invasion.    For the rest the USSR army with all components comprising of all troops lost at least 4 million troops due to inecompetent leadership and untrained soldiers.

*      the Russian army lost millions of soldiers through surrenders and those soldiers ended up  in prisoner camps in Germany and German occupied countries,   The Allies forced the surrendered soldiers to be returned to Russia on the insistence of Stalin.   After the Allies enforced the return - 90% of those returnees were executed by the Russians because they committed high treason by surrendering to Grman forces at the start of the war.

I mention the above examples as to Russian military  losses in WW2.   Now lets bear that in mind iro Ukraine as well.   The "mobilization button" put a huge number of untrained soldiers in jeopardy and they are being led by inexperienced commanders as well.   The fact s it must be remembered that in modern warfare training and experience is a great determinator of success.  There is no real proof of any major successes by the Ukraine army anyway.   Occupation of Kherson by the Ukraine army will show a victory - but there is no proof that that would happen.             

                                

Nov 08, 2022, 09:09

Hahaha yeah the lefty media complained their asses off when Trump took out the arab death Captain.

They were also very restrained in their reporting of Biden’s exit from Afghanistan. I’ve watched a ton of interviews and read a lot about what happened to US allies as a result. Most recently a story of how 60 Afghan US allies were lined up, knelt down and shot in the head…many of them with their families present. We never heard about this on the news…why???

The mere fact that the Biden administration weren’t dragged over the coals for that tells you exactly what type of media exists in the world today.

They’re not reporters. They’re the King’s scribes and F only knows who the King is.

My guess is that he’s an unelected person sitting at the top of the food chain in the MIC.

Nov 08, 2022, 10:09

Plum

Biden is only a puppet - he is mentally retarded through dementia and everything he says and done is determined by WH staff,    Whenever he spoke on his own without their authority his comments are countermanded by the WH,   

So who is really in charge in the USA.   Some said it is Obama who is the puppet-master - while iro  internal law and order issues and the open border policy it is Soros, in the case of health issues (especially Covid) it is Gates and the Pharma Industry.    Insofar as foreign policy is concerned he is allowed to scream his mouth off  by China, but in the end he does nothing that displeases President Xi.   In the case of global warming the control is by certgain Green supporting organizations and Kelly.

Biden is a real joke as President - but the real king comes from the sources mentioned by me above.   Biden is just told to do what he did thus far    I am hoping that the Republicans take over the House and the Senate and force the return of Sanity in the case of the so-called Biden Presidency.   Best still - like the Democrats did in the case of Trump - they can force Biden to undergo testing by experts to determine whether he is mentally capable of being President.   Trump passed the tests in flying colors - Biden  is unlikely to pass the test.   So who will be the next puppet=President in the USA?   In terms of the US Constitution the next person in line as President will be Harris - but she is totally incompetent as well.

As big a threat of Biden being to constitutional anarchy- Harrris is even worse.                     

Nov 08, 2022, 19:05

I feel for Biden.... how did he top the Democrat rankings in the first place,was he their best candidate?Can't believe how the voters put him in merely because of their hatred for Trump.Can you imagine the jokes going around in Russia, Iran and China about his dementia.

Iran is next on the list to join Brics btw. It isn't an Arab country just to educate the ignorant but there are other arab states in the queue,Egypt for instance. I think Turkey is also applying but don't know how that work bring part of Nato. Saudi Arabia is also there. Russia and Iran are one and two with gas reserves in the world. 

Nov 09, 2022, 18:31

Looks like the Russian's are withdrawing to the East bank of the Dnipro River.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63573387

Assuming this isn't a trick by Russia, then this looks like another significant victory for Ukraine. Suppose from the Russian side if the can conduct an orderly withdrawal they may not suffer significant losses which proves they may have learnt some lesson's from earlier failures.

Nov 09, 2022, 21:12

So you say you're right and Sharktwit wrong then, that atheists have a morality?

I don't know what the 80000 Russian troops are doing though now on the frontline either. They have no ammo, planes and tanks.

Nov 09, 2022, 23:24

So you say you're right and Sharktwit wrong then, that atheists have a morality?

Yes atheists have morality. I'm an atheist and I believe I have morality. Feel free to question me on this if you want.

Nov 09, 2022, 23:39

So this morality within atheism is a pick and choose morality?

One doesn't have to have any objective morality since the ultimate morality is the reality of God himself. One atheist could have a certain standard and another their own subjective standard,if they have any standard worldview at all. 


Nov 10, 2022, 00:35

So this morality within atheism is a pick and choose morality?

My morality would be determined by my sense of empathy and sympathy. Kinda of, don't do on to others what you wouldn't want done to yourself.

One doesn't have to have any objective morality since the ultimate morality is the reality of God himself.

What's objective morality?. To me there is just morality. Objective morality to me sounds like a made up thing by religious people to say they alone know what true morality is.

One atheist could have a certain standard and another their own subjective standard,if they have any standard worldview at all.

I don't see a problem with this.As for a world view, no they don't have a standard worldview at all, the only thing guaranteed to be common among atheists is a lack of belief in gods. An atheist could be a Republican or Democrat, pro-abortion or anti-abortion, they could be for or against immigration. They could be on any political spectrum or have a mix of political views.

Nov 10, 2022, 00:50

The only logical reason for the USA now wishing to get around a table with Russia and whoever else to negotiate is financial.

The "Banks" holding all this money that has been set aside for this so called invasion is due to the fact that the Banks have no place to hide the funds that have been diverted to USA politicians holdings.

Plus with the chance that the Republicans might own the house after this election and forsure are going to investigate all monies held by the Demorats and the banks they are running scared.

Truth time Demorats.

Nov 10, 2022, 01:02

Moonrover religion is just an interpretation of divinity, it is philosophy. E.g. What is the purpose of life" etc, etc.

Somehow your interpretation of God (your philosophy) is better than everyone, even those that share your faith. Just because you have been brainwashed, your belief does not make it true.

You are of the understanding that to get into heaven you have to believe in God. (everyone else is just cattle). You have been sold an afterlife insurance policy by a used car salesman. Once the Church have you in the position they own you. 


Nov 10, 2022, 06:39

Sharkbok by issuing forth your judgment on Christianity  makes your religion(philosophy) more important and therefore your statement judgment on yourself. 

Nov 10, 2022, 06:39

I will make it simple for you Stav.


Jesus is the epitome of empathy:-

Matthew 9:36, ESV: When he saw the crowds, he had compassion for them, because they were harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd.

Nov 10, 2022, 07:25

Nato is just using the poor Ukranian soldiers as cannon fodder.
They made the decision to advance on Russia and it's effectively them vs Russia and not Ukraine vs Russia.
It's their missiles and that are reigning down on hospitals,civilians in Kherson.They are effectively to blame for much of the carnage.
So Kim the atheist tyrant now joins in the fray and sends a "dangerous' ballistic missile over Japan,a nuclear capable ballistic missile.What a mess this Nato has begun.

Nov 10, 2022, 10:34

Bendover, you sound like someone who knows his bible well. Perhaps you can help me understand a certain section. I've asked this question before of other bible-bashers like Baboon-ou and Tit but they were too chicken to answer it. Perhaps you can help?


Okay, Mark 14:51-52 . . .

"51 And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him: 52 And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked"

Now to put this into context, this verse appears after Jesus' arrest . . . after the last supper when Jesus and his disciples went off the Garden of Gethsemane and Jesus told the disciples to sit and wait for him while he went off to pray alone. We know he came back to check on his disciples three times because each time he complained that they were sleeping. The third time Jesus came back to have a pop at Peter for falling asleep, there appeared Judas with a mob armed with swords and clubs. Judas told the mob that he would kiss one of the men and the man he kissed should be arrested and taken away. Judas then kissed Jesus and there followed that messy ear-cutting scene before the mob grabbed hold of Jesus and everyone else ran away.

And then, after all that action, out of the blue, Mark adds the verses above . . . a half naked young man had been following Jesus and he also ran away. No further mention of him, just a seemingly insignificant detail that doesn't appear to have any relevance.

So here's the question then . . . why did Mark add that line? What is it's purpose? What does it mean?

What we do know is this . . . Jesus never married. He always surrounded himself with men. He had an . . . ummmm . . . "gentle" nature. We also know that the last thing he did as a free man of the flesh was frolic around the Garden of Gethsemane with a half naked young man, checking every now and again to make sure his disciples were still asleep.

Are you connecting the dots here? 


  

Nov 10, 2022, 14:11

Hey Rooibos

You still smoking that weed. We spoke to you a long time ago but you keep on with it. Since it's been legit you must have gone totally gagga.

Remember Moses came forth in his Triumph.You get it 1,2,3,4... don't worry if u don't get it, I will explain it to you next year. 

Nov 10, 2022, 14:15

You have our sympathy Rooiass.

Appears you are so warped that you cannot think of anything but ass.

But then again we never expected much from you anyway.

Nov 10, 2022, 14:25

By the way we have been to the Garden of Gethsemane and also sat in the cave on the slab that Jesus laid on.

It was the most serene experience of my and my families lives that we have ever experienced.

Now we get jerks like Rooi thrashing all and everything that many in this world believe in.

What a pity.

Nov 11, 2022, 08:10

Hate...

Nov 11, 2022, 10:32

Say what you like about weed…but taking a few puffs before improvising on guitar to a blues jam track, will always deliver transcendence to a level similar to that of seeing a whale for the first time.

No trip to the ocean required.

Nov 11, 2022, 10:38

Nato is just using the poor Ukranian soldiers as cannon fodder.

So they should of just not done anything and watch Russia take over Ukraine?

They made the decision to advance on Russia and it's effectively them vs Russia and not Ukraine vs Russia.

Ever single country that entered Nato wanted to join Nato. Everyone of them and the why is simple, they wanted protection from Russia. As for it being Russia vs Nato, Nato have supplied equipment, training and intelligence but the men fighting on the ground are 99% Ukrainian.

It's their missiles and that are reigning down on hospitals,civilians in Kherson.They are effectively to blame for much of the carnage.

Not a single missile would have been fire by either side had Russia not chosen to invade. Ukraine isn't perfect, far from it and I'm sure there will be cases of Ukrainian's units committing war crimes and there will be cases of civilians being accidentally caught in Ukrainian crossfire. But Ukrainian crimes if any pale into  comparison to what Russia doing where its deliberately committing war crimes like targeting civilian area's and Ukraine's critical infrastructure. When Russia retreats it leaves behind plenty of evidence of torture, rape and murder of civilian's. Its forced relocation of civilians from Kherson is pretty much the definition of ethnic cleansing. One country launch a war of aggression based on false pretenses, the other country is simply defending itself.There is no equivalence between the two.

So Kim the atheist tyrant now joins in the fray and sends a "dangerous' ballistic missile over Japan,a nuclear capable ballistic missile.What a mess this Nato has begun.

What's that got to do with Kim being an atheist and what the f**k has that to do with NATO? Its the same nonsense North Korea has been doing for years, firing off missiles and complaining about South Korean and American joint military drills.

Nov 11, 2022, 16:16

A classical thread….pretty much every poster pursuing their favorite topic, Shark about the culpability of religion and Tokkie about the bad Ukrainians who persecuted the Russians. One wonders if Tokkie hasn’t seen the ironical similarity to the Jameson Raid. But the classic is Peeper turning it into a homosexual thing. He doth protest too much methinks.

Nov 11, 2022, 16:16

A classical thread….pretty much every poster pursuing their favorite topic, Shark about the culpability of religion and Tokkie about the bad Ukrainians who persecuted the Russians. One wonders if Tokkie hasn’t seen the ironical similarity to the Jameson Raid. But the classic is Peeper turning it into a homosexual thing. He doth protest too much methinks.

Nov 11, 2022, 16:25

Here’s the Jameson Raid….the same, dishonest arguments. Ukraine is simply the result of Putin’s own psychological needs and he used the persecution of Uitlanders to justify it…..from the Cecil Rhodes playbook:

1895 Britain was getting more confident about taking action in South Africa. Joseph Chamberlain was appointed Colonial Secretary. He joined forces with Rhodes to try to develop and promote the British Empire in South Africa.

In September and October 1895 the Drift Crisis between the Cape Colony and the Transvaal or SAR developed. The Cape had finished building a railway line to Johannesburg and tried to get as much of the Transvaal's railway traffic as it could by reducing its rates. It was aware that the Transvaal's Delagoa Bay line was al most complete. The Transvaal government increased the rates on the part of the railway that ran through the Transvaal once it had crossed the Vaal River. In answer to this, goods were taken to the Vaal River by train, and then taken further by wagon to avoid paying the higher prices in the Transvaal. Kruger reacted by blocking access to the Transvaal, closing the drifts on the Transvaal side. The British government demanded that Kruger open the drifts and used the situation to involve itself directly in Transvaal affairs.

In addition to the Drift crisis the Jameson Raid was the culmination of the activities of the Reform Movement, which a number of successful mining and business personalities started in the turbulent early days of Johannesburg, with the support of Cecil John Rhodes. British and Jewish Businessmen protested against what they felt to be the Boer Transvaal Government's discriminatory attitude to the Uitlanders(foreigners) in Johannesburg, who had contributed in no small measure to the growth of the mining town. The Kruger government had been putting pressure on the mining companies in the form of taxes, and they maintained monopolies over items such as the dynamite needed for deep-level blasting and for railway construction which led to high transport tariffs. As no attempt was made to solve the Uitlanders' grievances by peaceful discussion and negotiations, Rhodes began planning an uprising of Uitlandersin Johannesburg, and the Reform Movement decided to overthrow the government by taking up arms. The uprising was timed to coincide with an invasion of the Transvaal from Bechuanaland (present day Botswana), by Dr Leander Starr Jameson. Rhodes wanted to take over the government of the Transvaal and turn it into a British colony that would join all the other colonies in a federation. Chamberlain helped plan the Jameson Raid.

The Raid

The Jameson Raid, illustration by P. W. Wheeler, taken from South African History in Pictures, as published in The Star. Hold mouse pointer over text blocks in the image to see transcription...

The raid was launched on 29 December 1895, when Jameson and armed forces crossed the border from Bechuanaland (Botswana). Jameson, however, had been too hasty. Earlier, while Jameson waited on the border, the Uitlander leaders in Johannesburg were arguing among themselves about the kind of government to be put into place after the invasion. Many of the Uitlanders had no interest in violent uprising. Rhodes had actually decided to call off the raid, but by that time it was too late as Jameson and his party had already crossed into the Transvaal.

Communication was lacking and plans were botched when all telegraph lines were not cut as had been planned. Consequently, the Boers received warning of the attack, and Jameson was forced to surrender on 2 January 1896 at Doornkop near Krugersdorp. The raid had been a failure.

The prisoners were handed over to their own government and the Uitlander leaders who had been part of the plot were put to trial in Johannesburg. Some of them were condemned to death, but the sentences were later reduced to large fines.

Rhodes was forced to resign as the premier of the Cape Colony and the political problems between Afrikaans and English-speaking people became worse than ever in the colony. The Orange Free State co-operated more closely with the Transvaal. Transvaal residents felt that they were being threatened and Uitlanders were treated with more suspicion than ever before.

Nov 11, 2022, 16:30


And Kherson has been liberated...Slava Ukraini!

Nov 11, 2022, 22:44

Ole Stav been missing all the history lessons here from Mike.


Nov 12, 2022, 00:42

History lessons from Mike????



Nov 12, 2022, 08:34

A couple of your points are interesting but your atheist mindset is the same as Rooibos...totally carnal.
As Mike has mentioned Biden is a puppet and if he mentions peace negotiations then it's not him doing the talking.Since 2014 the Russian separatists have held a huge swathe of land which is largely Russian speaking.For Pretyensky he first wants Putin deposed and now he wants all his land.Let your Nato continue on it's warmongering route,without any gas since Russia and Iran hold the world's most reserves.

Nov 12, 2022, 11:50

A couple of your points are interesting but your atheist mindset is the same as Rooibos...totally carnal.

Call it what ever you want, doesn't bother me in the slightest.

As Mike has mentioned Biden is a puppet and if he mentions peace negotiations then it's not him doing the talking.

Mike has zero credibility on any topic.  But maybe unlike Mike you can provide evidence to back up that claim?

Since 2014 the Russian separatists have held a huge swathe of land which is largely Russian speaking.

Let me correct that for you

Since 2014 the Russian separatists have held a huge swathe of land which is not Russian land.

For Pretyensky he first wants Putin deposed and now he wants all his land.

Zelenskyy was elected on a platform of peace but also not to give up any territory. He didn't start this war and him wanting all of Ukrainian territory back is a perfectly reasonable position and is supported by the vast majority of the Ukrainian people. Yes he has said no negotiations with Russia while Putin is still in charge but if Putin offered to pull out of Ukraine completely tomorrow I'm sure Zelenskyy wouldn't care if Putin remained in power in Russia.

Let your Nato continue on it's warmongering route,without any gas since Russia and Iran hold the world's most reserves.

Nato did not invade Ukraine. Let your Russia continue on it's warmongering route without any economy, since the west hold the worlds most wealth and advanced technology. NATO countries can source gas from elsewhere if they need too. America doesn't.

Nov 12, 2022, 14:47

"Mike has zero credibility on any topic.  But maybe unlike Mike you can provide evidence to back up that claim?'

You havn't refuted any of Mike's lengthy discussions,you're a joke.

Nov 12, 2022, 14:57

You haven't refuted any of Mike's lengthy discussions,you're a joke.

LOL, you actually take anything Mike says seriously? And I'm the suppose to be the joke.


Nov 12, 2022, 15:09

There is no truth to be found in the core of atheism, just darkness and gloom. All you cling to are half - truths at best. 

Nov 12, 2022, 16:12

There is no truth in Christianity all you can do is live in lala land with a warm feeling in your balls.

If Christianity gives you light and harmony why are Christians just as miserable as us Atheists?

Listening to whinging pricks on here you don't come across as the most  contented people with your position in life.

In fact your the most depressing nay sayers on here..

Don't understand why you don't pick one sacrifice to hurry you lot off to the promised land if is so miserable  here. I know why even the most devout has major doubts about the so called after life and will fight tooth and nail to stay here in hell just in case.

If you didn't doubt why do you wear a seat belt, lock the door to your house or go to hospitals so mere humans can prolong your stay here.

Just take a walk through soweto slums at 2am covered in gold jewelry. Be kissing God's butt within 5 minutes with a smile on your face

If you ask me it's you lot that live in misery and fear that your wrong and have wasted your one shot at life groveling on your knees

Me I live a great life and face oblivion  without fear, once I am dead I won't know it.

Nov 12, 2022, 18:08

Yes but you got "NO BALLS" 

We already established that when I challenged you.

Imagine if you applied for the Ukraine army.......they would tell you to stay home,sweet home.

Nov 12, 2022, 18:44

So why aren't you on the front line for the Russian cannon fodder then, putin would gladly see you sacrificed for his ego and be a quicker way to suck God's balls than wandering through Soweto.

Can imagine the the laughter in the Kremlin when they saw your sorry arse stagger in.

Come to think of it I don't  think Russian could suffer the embarrassment of you turning up on the front, they would get done for war crimes for sending the mental impaired to the front 


Nov 12, 2022, 18:58

Wow didn't realise you were such a hero, love how morons Luke you want to debate average Joe's but run for the hills when scientific experts are lining up to show you lr beliefs for the bs it is.

If your happy to stay in your mother's basement go for it.

Strange that the majority of intelligent people shit on your beliefs and you rely on halfwits like, Ken ham, behee and the like to come up with moronic video clips that have been proven false a thousand times.

Enjoy your ignorance you are welcome to it

Nov 12, 2022, 20:33

The Nato Crusader
Report together with Stav and Rooibos 06h00 hours.

Frontline duty......Ukraine needs you....to carry water bottles for the soldiers.
Hahaha

Nov 12, 2022, 20:49

I don't care what religion you follow or if you are an atheist, if you support Russia's war in Ukraine you have no morality, objective or otherwise.

Nov 13, 2022, 04:06

This is why Pretensky needs you in the frontline along with Nato Crusader. Sharktwit will stay in the navy sabotaging the gas lines. 

Nov 13, 2022, 05:38

Jaysus, Mary & Joe ............ if heaven's full of your lot, eg. authoritarian neo fascist evangelists & you're there for eternity ............. nooit 'n vok, I'll stay away

Nov 13, 2022, 07:49

BoBlik

If u go to church today Jesus will set you free from all those demons that torment you. Luke 8v26

Nov 15, 2022, 22:36

And now Russian missiles would have appeared to have hit Poland killing 2 Polish farmers.

Giving that it appears it was a farm just across the Polish border was hit, its likely an accident and not intentional on the part of Russia. Possibly it was a case of Russian missile crashing into Poland after being shot down by Ukraine's air defenses. The full details have not as of yet emerged.

Both Poland and Hungary have called emergency defense meetings as a result of this incident (also the Hungarians are saying Russian oil supplies into Hungary dropped off today for an unknown reason)

Given that it probably was an accident it will likely not warrant the triggering of article 5 but at the same time NATO won't want to be seen to be going soft of Russia and will possible supply even more advance and capable weapon systems to Ukraine as a response.


 
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