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Feb 02, 2025, 03:33

The tariffs announced Saturday could be the beginning of a policy war, with tariff rates at risk of ratcheting even higher. In announcing the tariffs Saturday the White House added there was a "retaliation clause" added to the measures.

"So that if any country chooses to retaliate in any way, the signal will be to take further action with respect to likely increased tariffs," the White House said.

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So the fat orange pig thinks that he can apply Tariff's, but other countries are not allowed to reciprocate.

Feb 02, 2025, 21:56

Canada and Mexico issue counter-tariffs of 25% to match Trump tariffs.

Around 75-80% of all exports from Canada and Mexico go to the USA - so the Trump tariffs are going to impact them more than other countries.

Country Percentage of Exports to USA
Canada 75%
Mexico 80%

 

GDP % created from exports to the United States for Canada and Mexico

Country  Exports to the U.S. as % of GDP
Canada  22%
Mexico  35%


Around 30% of all US imports are from Canada and Mexico.
So in theory, consumer prices should increase by 25% on about a third of imports

Country  Percentage of U.S. Imports
Canada  13.6%
Mexico  16.8%


Less than 1% of illegal immigrants & fentanyl enter the US from Canada.
So this is a pretext motive. Trump is trying to sabotage their economies - perhaps so that they could become part of the US.

It is expected that Trump will introduce EU tariffs as well in 2 months. 

Feb 02, 2025, 22:33

The implementation of 25% tariffs by the Trump administration on imports from Canada and Mexico, coupled with their retaliatory counter-tariffs, is expected to have significant economic impacts on all three countries. Based on the provided information and economic principles, we can estimate the potential GDP impacts as follows:

Impact on Canada and Mexico

Canada and Mexico are likely to experience more severe economic consequences due to their high dependence on exports to the United States:

  1. Canada:

    • With 75% of exports going to the US and exports to the US accounting for 22% of GDP, the potential GDP impact could be substantial13.

    • Estimated GDP impact: -3.5% to -5.5%

  2. Mexico:

    • With 80% of exports going to the US and exports to the US accounting for 35% of GDP, Mexico faces an even larger potential impact13.

    • Estimated GDP impact: -5% to -7%

These estimates are based on the assumption that the tariffs will significantly reduce trade volumes and that alternative markets cannot be found quickly to offset the losses.

Impact on the United States

The impact on the US economy is expected to be less severe but still significant:

  • With 30% of US imports coming from Canada and Mexico, consumer prices could increase by up to 25% on about a third of imports5.

  • This could lead to inflation and reduced consumer spending.

  • Estimated GDP impact: -1% to -2%

The lower impact on the US is due to its larger, more diversified economy and lower reliance on exports to Canada and Mexico.

Additional Considerations

  1. Regional impacts: Certain US states and industries heavily reliant on trade with Canada and Mexico may experience more severe economic downturns3.

  2. Supply chain disruptions: The interconnected nature of North American supply chains, especially in industries like automotive manufacturing, could amplify the negative effects2.

  3. Potential EU tariffs: If Trump introduces tariffs on EU imports as well, the cumulative effect on the US economy could be more severe, potentially pushing the GDP impact closer to -2.5% to -3%.

  4. Long-term effects: Prolonged tariffs could lead to structural changes in all three economies, potentially altering trade patterns and economic relationships permanently.

These estimations are rough approximations based on the provided data and general economic principles. The actual impact could vary depending on factors such as the duration of the tariffs, the specific industries affected, and the global economic context at the time of implementation.

 

Feb 02, 2025, 22:47

Perhaps the whole world should proactively declare 25% tariffs on any American product or service. That would price America out of the market for many of their products. Taxing digital is an issue, but plans could be made.

Once the Big Tech Bro Oligarchs' bank accounts become smaller, Trump is sure to drop this nonsense. Tesla can have an instant tariff of 100% for any imports


Feb 03, 2025, 02:09

Well the UglyAmerican has declared lets be horrible to everyone, friends &/or wartime allies se moer. If it doesn't support making America great then go away.

He's truly lower than shark shit.

Feb 03, 2025, 04:31

Missed the plt totall y  again.   DIM LOT - ckose the border and stop human trafficking and drug smuggling and no sanctions, 

     

Feb 03, 2025, 06:04

Help me out as someone who is not too clued up with these things. What is Trump trying to achieve? Does he want to stimulate industry within America by making foreign trade more expensive?

Feb 03, 2025, 06:20

Leaving China aside, Mr. Trump’s justification for this economic assault on the neighbors makes no sense. White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt says they’ve “enabled illegal drugs to pour into America.” But drugs have flowed into the U.S. for decades, and will continue to do so as long as Americans keep using them. Neither country can stop it.

Feb 03, 2025, 06:22

Feb 03, 2025, 08:20

Interesting to hear that Trump is now targeting South Africa regarding Cyril signing in the land repatriation / compensation law...

I wonder which direction this is going to go considering the billions of aid that we have previously received from the USA.

 

Feb 03, 2025, 08:37

Are you getting cheap oil from your Russian tjommies ?

Feb 03, 2025, 08:52

Trump is now targeting South Africa regarding Cyril signing in the land repatriation / compensation law...

He surely said wtf, to Musk .

Feb 03, 2025, 09:36

I am sure a lot of ANC cadres are directly benefiting from US aid programs...skimming the cream from the top, with only scraps going where it was intended for...this country is being plundered on an unprecedented level...disgusting...

Feb 03, 2025, 09:40

I agree Db, there is no doubt in my mind.

Let's see what Cyril's response will be

Feb 03, 2025, 09:40

Anyone who wants to complain about Trump cutting aid to SA while ignoring our own government's role needs their heads read. Start by fixing the R300-R800 million SA loses through corruption every day, then maybe we won't need to bother with foreign aid. We act like we're a poor country. We're not. The money is just being stolen.

Feb 03, 2025, 10:44

Sad, but true Pakie

Feb 03, 2025, 12:47

At some point surely even the Donald must know America will not benefit from a trade war with most of the rest of the world.

As big an economy as America is, its not bigger than Mexico, Canada, Taiwan, the EU and the Bric's nations combined. 

Feb 03, 2025, 13:22

"... the Donald must know America will not benefit from a trade war with most of the rest of the world."

 

It's not a trade war. His intention is to use tariffs to force other countries to honor their obligations or change some of their regulations which he deems unfair towards the USA...it's a bargaining tool...and it may backfire on him, or it might work...lets see...

Feb 03, 2025, 13:25

Less than 1% of illegal immigrations and Fentanyl are from Canada, so this is a pretext motive (e.g. it is not the real reason for the Tariffs).

This appears to be a crazy plan by Trump to colonise Canada and Mexico, by first wrecking their economies.

Trump may be trying to increase manufacturing by getting more countries to base their operations within America, and then use AI to steal their intellectual property. 

America is not a serious trading partner if they can chop and change tariffs every week, and provide false pretext motives.

The whole world should put 25% tariffs on America and price America out of the market. The damage to the American economy would be far greater in loss of sales, than any gains from tariffs.

The poorer Americans can live with Big US companies getting less sales, they are more interested in more local jobs

 

Feb 03, 2025, 13:27

Stav and Plum

There will be no trade wars and equally beneficient trade agreements will follow as was the case with the Panama issue.   A strong American leader and not shit like Biden and Harris benefits all countries in the world and  stability will follow in due course.   

No more wars and no more crookedness in Govenance will benefit all countries in the world in the end.    The payment of grants to the terrorist subsidiaries of the Demcatic Party - BLM nd Antifa - as been exposed by  DOGE and sent the DP into panic mode.  The ickback system associated with US Foreign aid will be stopped as well. 

The US Treasury is going to save over $1 trillion in that farce alone.    The only question outstanding question is how many politicians and bureaucrats will end up in jail as a result of bribery and corruption.   No retiribution - but plenty of criminals charged will follow. 

Trump is 100% correct about the SA situation as well.   Ramphosa is in deeps hit ebcause of th land expropriation without compensation issue and even mre so about reverse racism now ienforced by the ANC.   Other than the Western Cape the administration pof the otehr provinces is in death mode and chaotic,    So the enxt leader trying to get into negotiatiations wirh Rubio would be Ramaphosa - but that would have to wait until the upcoming Ukraine War negotiations have been finished and te war ending.. 

Any agreements with Canada will start only after Trudeau is gone in March 2025.   Trump with threaten Countries  with action and then reasonable  negotiations will follow and settlements benefitting  both parties will be reached,          

So do not panic - the world around you will not collapse as was the process in progress when Biden was President.   

Feb 03, 2025, 13:28

Some backward stuff from DumbMike...

Feb 03, 2025, 13:42

Some real stuff from me  - not propaganda BS coming from a China lover like you.   

Feb 03, 2025, 14:01

It's not a trade war. His intention is to use tariffs to force other countries to honor their obligations or change some of their regulations which he deems unfair towards the USA...it's a bargaining tool...and it may backfire on him, or it might work...lets see...

It absolutely is 100% a trade war, Canada immediately put tariffs on certain US products in retaliation, Mexico will do so today. 

 

 

Feb 03, 2025, 14:09

BB

Not only cheaper oil - but laso cheap wheat.  But I think for the time being  everything concerning SA is on ice as the War issues in Ukraine and the ME needs urgent attention - after the Panama issue was solved in record time.      

Feb 03, 2025, 14:13

BS  S tav

Read what I said about the Panama and other issues.    Al isues raised by you will in the end be solved through negotiations - not BS media tirades not worth the paper they are written on.    

Feb 03, 2025, 14:27

It is a trade war, or it is beginning to start a trade war, which could escalate to levels never seen before.

It's a dangerous game to play, but at the same time, I do fully understand why Trump is implementing this policy and these tariffs.

Putting tariffs in place or withdrawing support or funds, especially to countries like South Africa, that gets $440 million of it's Aid / HIV financial aid and assistance from the US, makes these countries reconsider their commitment to what will enable them to continue receiving that assistance..... R8.2 billion is a lot of money.

Even if it prevents our governemnt from letting dangerous individuals like Malema from screaming from the rooftops that they will take our land by force, or take the white man out.... it has served some purpose in the long run, but if anything, it has made our government sit up and realize that there will be possible severe implications or repercussions for anything the US see as inflamatory, predudice or outright racist.

Feb 03, 2025, 15:13

There will be no trade wars and equally beneficient trade agreements will follow as was the case with the Panama issue.   A strong American leader and not shit like Biden and Harris benefits all countries in the world and  stability will follow in due course.   

 

Liberals are in denial of so many things. It's been millenia people have observed the relationship between demographics and war. It was mentioned many times by various people accross times: war are declared by older people and waged by younger people.

Now younger people are a declining resources due to demographics. Consequently, wars are going to suffer from a shortage of manpower.

In fact, the US are slowing down the process as they can not stand their relative loss in power and keep meddling around stirring wars to further their geopolitical goals.

The US disappearing would lead to a less warring world.

Feb 03, 2025, 15:17

 it has served some purpose in the long run, but if anything, it has made our government sit up and realize that there will be possible severe implications or repercussions for anything the US see as inflamatory, predudice or outright racist.

 

Laughable. Trump is obsessed by the rise of China and is aware that it will be hard to curb. The main plan is to force a merging between all countries that are deemed white to try to balance the billion chinese.

The US are historically racist, have a long history of supporting the apartheid regime (much less the new government) and are the biggest land expropriator in human history.

Looking forward to seeing them acting in South Africa, it is going to be fun.

Feb 03, 2025, 15:20

You can't ever make a simple post without the word Liberal.

You are a laugh a minute... nobody takes you seriously, your mixed up mumbled posts that have no meaning at all are ridiculous.

 

Feb 03, 2025, 16:42

As always, liberals think they are almighty and that their perception should prevail over anything else.

Who cares about liberals' appreciation? Nobody who rely on the future to part and discriminate things.

Time ago, liberals on this board had a feud as they are used to about Trump turning to isolation, some calling for it and the others calling against it.

One person on this board stated that Trump was a liberal and therefore a globalist. And what happened? Trump revealed himself quickly as a globalist on steroids.

Another example: the war in Ukraine and the US involvement. Liberals on this board had a dispute about the policy of support. Liberals on this board claimed that Trump would stop the support to Ukraine, some calling for it, the others against it.

One person stated that one of the first things Trump would do once in the oval office would be to announce a continued support to Ukraine. Guess what happened; Trump did not even wait to be in the oval office to make the announcement he would keep supporting the Ukraine.

 

Who cares about liberals' appreciation? Liberals have lost touch with reality and can no longer face the events. They require to be bathed in tales, stories about the state of the world. One of their biggest requests to their media is to be lied to. 

Feb 03, 2025, 18:25

Trump has a business sense when  he conduct negotiations with fireign leaders - so the traiffs are gone and the Trade war avoided as the result of a phone call between the Mexican President and Trump  the following was agreed on:-

Mexico has agreed to deploy 10,000 troops to the U.S.-Mexico border in exchange for a one-month delay on President Donald Trump's threatened tariffs, Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum said Monday.

Sheinbaum made the announcement on social media Monday morning, roughly 12 hours before the tariffs were set to take effect. Trump and Sheinbaum spoke on Monday and agreed that Mexico will do more to combat drug trafficking into the U.S., and that the U.S. will step up efforts to block the flow of firearms into Mexico.

Sheinbaum also said officials with the U.S. and Mexico were beginning talks on wider trade and security issues.

Crisis ended and part of the Security issue to be discuused is how the two countries can co-operate in wiping out the cartels.  

Feb 03, 2025, 18:40

Do liberals read what they post?

Feb 03, 2025, 20:13

Lap...

Feb 03, 2025, 20:16

This is simply an exercise in power.As I showed on another string the EU has been targeting US tech and closing a blind eye to Chinese tech. How stupid of the little men in suits in Brussels.

Mexico has already made strong overtures which has delayed tariff implementation.  Putting  Canada in a tough place. Contrary to the ignorant comments by our woke set….Trump is pretty shrewd.

Feb 03, 2025, 20:37

Mexico caved...Canada will too...soon.

Feb 03, 2025, 20:40

As will the idiots in South AfricA...art of the deal my arse....more like art of the spanking...and all the naughty boys are due...

Feb 03, 2025, 20:46

If this was Japan or Germany or England or France or Italy when they had similar power to act, it wouldn’t be tariffs it would be occupation. No dominant power in history has exercised its military superiority with more restraint than the US. Now these would be imperialists are ‘shocked’ by the US insisting on a level economic playing field.

Hypocrisy.

Feb 03, 2025, 21:20

If this was Japan or Germany or England or France or Italy when they had similar power to act, it wouldn’t be tariffs it would be occupation. No dominant power in history has exercised its military superiority with more restraint than the US. Now these would be imperialists are ‘shocked’ by the US insisting on a level economic playing field.

Hypocrisy.

LOL Moz descending into Beeno levels of hysterical gibberish. You can tell he's actually freaked out by the whole thing, hence the desperate need try to justify the insanity.

Feb 03, 2025, 21:39

CDN media

 

Feb 03, 2025, 22:24

Stav

Nice to se you actually enjoyed yourself  but I have a question please.

"Moz descending into Beeno levels of hysterical gibberish. You can tell he's actually freaked out by the whole thing, hence the desperate need try to justify the insanity."

Who is actually insane and why are they insane?      

Feb 03, 2025, 22:42

If Trump tanks the US stock market, the loyalty from Moz will evaporate. 

Feb 03, 2025, 23:39

Gibberish….ask the Boers, ask the Belgium Congo, ask Poland, ask Algeria, ask Korea. Learn some history. Of course you chaps were neutral in WW2 and now you have the gall to moralize. . Disgusting.

And absolutely if he tanks the stock market, it would be a failure. But the market close on Friday already incorporated a tariff hedge. Remove the need for that hedge and add some benefits from cleaning up a mess and the reverse could be true….as we saw with the reversal this morning.

Feb 04, 2025, 00:43

Canada may need to join an expanded trade network with other Western Allies. 
We are happy to buy many of their products.

Trump is trying to destroy their economy to force them to become part of America.
If he stays in power for a 3rd term, he will become America's Putin.

America needs to remove itself from the world if it hates other countries so much. 
If they feel all other countries are ripping them off, then don't trade with them.

They can have the World Series by themselves.... oh I forgot, they already do...


Feb 04, 2025, 00:57

Hahaha….very spiteful. Eat your crow.

Feb 04, 2025, 01:31

Gibberish….ask the Boers, ask the Belgium Congo, ask Poland, ask Algeria, ask Korea. Learn some history. Of course you chaps were neutral in WW2 and now you have the gall to moralize. . Disgusting..

Should we ask the Native American's how they were treated, or what about the rather large part of Mexico you lot took by force when you were busy manifest destining around the place

And LOL, hate to break it to you but the Yanks were also neutral in WW2 and tried to stay out of it until you were actually attacked and the two other Axis powers declared war on you.

Spare us the the faux outrage, your just throwing mud at other countries to distract from Donald's stupidity.

Trump is a literal threat to the world economy and you know it.

 

 

 

Feb 04, 2025, 02:03

To distract from what? The concessions he has already  achieved. You are just too small and naive a fish to have a clue what his strategy is. 


And I don’t have faux outrage, just contempt. I  think a European country like Ireland, in the heart of the conflict, which didn’t have the integrity to fight for the right side has no moral standing.  And I think your ‘tax haven’ status adds to that view.

South Africans who were the recipients of far worse British outrages than Ireland, were in the front lines doing the right thing.

Easy being critical when the rules don’t apply to yourself.

 

Feb 04, 2025, 04:07

To distract from what? The concessions he has already  achieved. You are just too small and naive a fish to have a clue what his strategy is.

You mean Canada agreeing to a deal they had already agreed to back in December and announcing a Border Czar to deal with the 0.2% of Fentanyl entering the US. ROFL.

You're becoming as deluded as Beeno and Mike.

And I don’t have faux outrage, just contempt. I  think a European country like Ireland, in the heart of the conflict, which didn’t have the integrity to fight for the right side has no moral standing.  And I think your ‘tax haven’ status adds to that view.

As usual your clueless about history. Most of Europe tried to stay out of the war. Poland, Denmark, Norway, Belgium, The Netherlands, Luxembourg, Sweden, Switzerland, Spain (who's neutrality leaned pro Axis), Portugal, Sweden, Greece, Yugoslavia were all neutral and tried to stay out of the war. Most of them did end up being drawn into the war only after either the German's or Italians invaded them. Bulgaria and Romania joined the Axis, Finland was a co-belligerent. So Ireland's position wasn't an uncommon one for European nations to take, we where just more fortunate with our geographic location than others.

But hell even had we been involved in the war, what difference would that make to Trump, just ask Canada, they fought alongside America countless times, you Trump still threatened to tariff them.

I really couldn't give a toss if you do view my country in contempt. We are not the ones that were enabling genocide in Gaza, we are not the ones presently hosting a man wanted by the ICC for alleged war crimes and we are not the ones threatening the ICC with sanctions.  And we can on and on about all the various coups and regime changes the US has been responsible for in South American and the Middle East.

As for our tax arrangements, by all mean's you can be critical, but don't forget its your beloved American tech companies reaping the benefits. But hey better let them off the hook because capitalism is great right?

South Africans who were the recipients of far worse British outrages than Ireland, were in the front lines doing the right thing.

Well I doubt that, Ireland was ruled by Britain for 800 years and its policies directly contributed to the loss of life during the famine. 

I'll credit South Africa for its role in World War 2 but while never a majority there would of been a considerably higher percentage of the population sympathetic to the Nazi's in South Africa than in Ireland. 

Easy being critical when the rules don’t apply to yourself.

The whole world is critical of Trump's action. Its just disgraceful bullying on his part and for what, some stupid imagined grievance that the whole world is exploiting America. America is already the largest and most powerful economy in the world by far, yet its somehow being exploited. Ridiculous carry on.  And you throwing mud at other countries doesn't distract from that fact.

 

 

Feb 04, 2025, 05:05

You mean Canada agreeing to a deal they had already agreed to back in December and announcing a Border Czar to deal with the 0.2% of Fentanyl entering the US. ROFL.

ROFL away, everything they agreed on December was also due to Trump.

 

 

But hell even had we been involved in the war, what difference would that make to Trump, just ask Canada, they fought alongside America countless times, you Trump still threatened to tariff them.

 

Trump isn’t the test, it’s a matter of conscience, seventeen year old boys from South Africa signed up while your lot sat at home.

I'll credit South Africa for its role in World War 2 but while never a majority there would of been a considerably higher percentage of the population sympathetic to the Nazi's in South Africa than in Ireland.

So you think the Africans were sympathetic to the Nazis. Or are you suggesting they weren’t part of the population?

The whole world is critical of Trump's action. Its just disgraceful bullying on his part and for what, some stupid imagined grievance that the whole world is exploiting America. America is already the largest and most powerful economy in the world by far, yet its somehow being exploited. Ridiculous carry on.  And you throwing mud at other countries doesn't distract from that fact.

It’s the largest and most successful economy because of the efforts of its own people and their choice to support capitalism vs unproductive bureaucracy. And insisting on a level playing field is reasonable given the trade restrictions placed on American companies

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Since 2019 the American economy has grown by 12%, Europe by 5%. Europe’s largest tech company ASML has a market cap of $ 292 billion vs $ $3400 billion  for Apple. Europe isn’t even in the game anymore. And not a peep of criticism towards the European suits and daily rants about Trump. See the truth, get a grip.

 

 

Feb 04, 2025, 08:11

 Stav

I'll credit South Africa for its role in World War 2 but while never a majority there would of been a considerably higher percentage of the population sympathetic to the Nazi's in South Africa than in Ireland. 

This is BS supreme.   By 1939 there was hatred of the UK or what theydid to the people of SouthAfrica and they oppose the ear involvement,   A   cousin of my grandmother was commander of he SA Army in North Africa.  He despised the UK army commanders and openly stated that he hated UK generals commanding the UK Army and hated UK Lords even more.   Why - because the famil y was sent to the Martixburg concentration camp and of the  8 children 6 died while in the camp.   General Dn Pienaar was coming back to SA on a plane which crashed and was never found.   Until the date of her death  she claimed that the UK murdered him.

S many people hate h ar and most soloers who joined were after th war treated like shit  by the pro-UK General Smuts and they turned against the ruling party and voted for the anit- UK National Party.   Many people hate the UK and very few was actually pro-Nazi         

 

Feb 04, 2025, 09:50

"some stupid imagined grievance that the whole world is exploiting America"

Well, that's because in so many cases around the world.... they actually are.

Trump and Elon are 200% correct in looking into all this corruption and misapproriation of the US tax payers money.

Besides assessing aid that is relative to a country's gross national income, where other nations lead the USA, when one looks at the official development assistance, which includes both humanitarian aid and other forms of development support, the USA is still by far, the majority donor, and one only has to look at what our government does with these donations and support, to understand how the US is getting exploited.

Just look into the billions that was donated to Afghanistan, look into the SIGAR report

Look at what individuals have been removed in Ukraine for missappropriating funds and how much money was involved.

Check into what happened with the 2010 Haiti earthquake and how the US and other international donor's funds disappeared, especially with the PetroCaribe scandal.

What about the food aid from the US that was stolen and sold on the black market in Ethopia, Sudan and Kenya, never mind the embezzling of funds that South Sudan received from the US.

In Somalia as well, a report detailed that 70% of the food aid that was getting sent by the US was stolen and being resold at higher prices by terrorists on the black market.

I am in no way minimising what aid other countries contribute internationally to other good causes and well meaning initiatives around the world, because it also runs into the many many billions, but to make a comment that the exploitation of American funds is just some "Stupid imagined grievance" is extremely naive and downright insulting to what they actually do for so many under developed and poor countries around the world..... and even if it isn't the 'whole world" that exploit them as you say.... it is a very significant large part of it.

These above are just a very small sample of the very large amount of countries, organisations or corporations that do in fact exploit the USA. 

 

Feb 04, 2025, 11:42

ROFL away, everything they agreed on December was also due to Trump.

LOL the spin, just like the time NATO he claimed he got other NATO countries to agree to extra defense spending when all they did was reaffirm previous commitments. I can't believe his supporters are so gullible they have fallen for it twice. 

Trump isn’t the test, it’s a matter of conscience, seventeen year old boys from South Africa signed up while your lot sat at home.

Who then went home to form the Apartheid State. 

So you think the Africans were sympathetic to the Nazis. Or are you suggesting they weren’t part of the population?

The majority weren't but a significant minority were, such as Ossewabrandwag which had something like 350,000 members.

It’s the largest and most successful economy because of the efforts of its own people and their choice to support capitalism vs unproductive bureaucracy. And insisting on a level playing field is reasonable given the trade restrictions placed on American companies

Tump's issue is with having a trade deficit (while ignoring America's surplus when it comes to services) which he construes as losing, but no economist in the world takes such a simplistic view of it.  America's trade deficit has never at any point stopped the American economy from doing well.

The majority of European's support being members of the EU. The most successful trading block in the world.  If American companies want to operate in the EU they abide by EU laws. They do so willingly because its very profitable to do so. But the EU will not compromise on its standards for anyone. It actual puts the welfare of its citizens above endless chasing profits at any cost. And if you're talking about a leveling playing field, the US dollar is the reserve currency of the world, which gives America a considerable advantage from the get go.

Since 2019 the American economy has grown by 12%, Europe by 5%. Europe’s largest tech company ASML has a market cap of $ 292 billion vs $ $3400 billion  for Apple. Europe isn’t even in the game anymore. And not a peep of criticism towards the European suits and daily rants about Trump. See the truth, get a grip.

What's that got to do with Trump acting like a complete c**t towards Mexico and Canada. Talking about thin skinned, you go off on these mad anti EU rants when Trumps appalling behavior towards Canada and Mexico has not thing to do with them. Its just whataboutism.

"some stupid imagined grievance that the whole world is exploiting America"

What's misappropriation of funds got to do with slapping tariffs on Canada. Less than 1% of illegal boarder crossings and less than 1% of fentanyl coming into the US were coming across the Canada border. It was completely unjustified of Trump to use that as an excuse to threaten tariffs.

Again Trump thinks a trade deficit is bad thing. This is an overly simplistic view of economics. As I said he ignores America's surplus when it comes to services, but he also ignores the fact that when you buy more products from other countries than they do you end up with more products that go back into your economy and help it. He just looks at trade surplus or deficit and thinks surplus = winning, deficit = loosing.

He had a pop at the EU the other day for saying the EU won't doesn't buy American cars or food but of course he leaves out the reason why. 

Firstly American cars tend to be bigger, less suited to the narrower European roads, they tend to emit more greenhouse gases and European's are more conscious of this than Americans. America cars tend to have worse levels of quality control and higher recall rate than Europe or Japanese cars but above all fuel in Europe costs far more than in America and American cars are simply too fuel inefficient to be consider economical for Europeans to consider purchasing. There is also just preferences for style.

The free Market in Europe has spoken and America cars don't meet the needs of Europeans.

With food it simply comes to down to health standards, America food doesn't meet European quality standards. Why should the EU compromise and risk the lives and health of its citizens here. 

 

 

 

Feb 04, 2025, 12:03

 Stav

So Castro's son - on the way out of Canadian politics bcause he tried to implement measures his father did in Cuba  - has now run for cover and if he keeps to his promises the tariffs will be lifted   In any event hew ill be out of politics by the end of Mach 2025.

The poor Stav does not know what a trade war measns and scream trade war evey posting   he put on site, 

Must say Trump i nt diplomatic in what he is doing - but the effec is razor sharp and  both Canada and Mexico caved in - so no  trade war.

China is more of a [prblem becaus hey a hve Europe by t hei balls and i squeezing them.   Trump negotiated a trade deal with China in 2019 -  But suspended it when eh found President Zi lied to them.   It is in the interest of Europe to a hve a trade deal with China as well - and Trump will take up that issue with President Zi as well.   So th next step Trump will take is to complete the trade deal with President Zi and then take up the EU situation in trade with China to level the playing fields as ell.

However, there is political problems in Germany and France and support of the Laboutr Party in th UK is tanking so the shit is on in full way a expected  - so a jint trade agrement between the USA and EU will end the problems and one between the EU and USA one side and China on the other side is liely o the cas as well,   

Feb 04, 2025, 14:16

You have to be completely blind and ignorant to not see how the USA has been, and still is.... being exploited ... all over the world with their aid that they supply.

Their generosity is constantly taken for granted, but I also blame the US government for not doing enough to ensure that their financial aid goes to the intended purposes with properly audited inspections or investigations.

There are definitely no imagined grievances in what Elon and Trump have already investigated and picked up on..... so if you genuinely do still believe that, you are incredibly stupid, and it;s you immense dislike for Trump that is superseding any other rational thought process you might have.

What a completely ridiculous statement to make given what has already been uncovered in three weeks... lol..... stupid should hurt.

Feb 04, 2025, 14:45

Their generosity is constantly taken for granted, but I also blame the US government for not doing enough to ensure that their financial aid goes to the intended purposes with properly audited inspections or investigations.

I notice you didn't answer the question, whats misappropriation of American aid got to do with Canada.

What a completely ridiculous statement to make given what has already been uncovered in three weeks... lol..... stupid should hurt.

If Trump carries on like this you're about to see stupid hurting the entire world economy. 

 

 

 

Feb 04, 2025, 16:31

"I notice you didn't answer the question, whats misappropriation of American aid got to do with Canada."

Because I am not discussing Canada, nor am I discussing Mexico or Columbia.....

I am specifically discussing your very apparent ignorance relating to your extremely naive statements regarding how America has been exploited over many many years, and you just causually saying that people who believe that it is happening are just stupid, when in fact it's you that is illustrating your stupidity on the matter.

Just like you ignorantly and naively thought that the Columbian preident was above reproach and always had his citizens best interests at heart, but then he sent military planes to collect them anyway, which you were so dead set against Trump doing, because you know...they needed to be treated like... you know... humans.... so where was your outrage when Petro did exactly what Trump was going to do?....

You went dead quiet very quickly.... just as I expected you to....

"If Trump carries on like this you're about to see stupid hurting the entire world economy."

Yeah, big bad Trump hey.... get real man..... face reality for once.

Some of Trump's policies will effect the world market negatively, and I expect it to at some point, I am not naive to that.... but I still see the outstanding benefits of what he is doing compared to some market negatives...

Trump has right now just announced that he has now just got the Mexican president to deploy 10 000 troops to the US - Mexican border, to strengthen border security, curb illegal immigration, and combat drug trafficking, specifically Fentanyl into the US.

In return, the US have agreed to intensify efforts to prevent the trafficking of high-powered weapons into Mexico.

This also puts a pause on the implementation of the 25% tariff on Mexican imports to the United States and also provides both nations with time to negotiate a broader deal addressing any other critical issues.

I say bloody well done Trump..... you can criticise him as I always expect you to.

Feb 04, 2025, 16:45

Ontario have also just publicly announced that they have scrapped a $100 million Starlink deal because of Trumps proposed tariffs.....

Elon replied "Oh Well"

I like Elon's recent meme as well..... " I wonder how many other governments collect tax money from it's citizens, and send it to the USA"

Your dislike of Trump, is just so bloody apparent..... it blinds you completely, like others on this forum.

Trump can be a dick

Trump can be an egotiscally moron

Trump is a liar

Trump exaggerates some points ... to ridiculous levels sometimes

Yet Trump is still the guy  that I would have running my country.....

If you don't, that's also perfectly fine, live with it..... you stick to your Biden or Kamala and see how good that works out for you.

 

Feb 04, 2025, 16:55

Gosh….so how did Trump do in his first term vs the Belgian bureaucrats in suits?

 

 

Country/Region 2017 2018 2019 2020
United States 2.3% 3.0% 2.2% -3.4%
Eurozone 2.7% 1.9% 1.3% -6.3%

 

Complete dominance given 2017 was tainted by Obama’s decisions. Down goes Anger again….how many times do I have to school this woke bloke?

ROFL! Poor old Anger is on the deck again but he isn’t laughing.

Feb 04, 2025, 17:16

The US have been distributing USD around, USD they can not have shortage of as they emit them. The only thing the US have done has been to monetize work and assets around the world in USD.

Liberals invert most of the things.

Feb 04, 2025, 17:17

So Trad which country do you most admire?

Feb 04, 2025, 18:39

The constructive pitfall. As they are out of arguments, liberals want other people to provide solutions for them.

Again, wallowing in contradictions. Liberal nations are in power globally, if they see a problem, they act on power. That is all. 

Having a favourite country or whatever changes nothing that it is liberal global order with liberal nations in charge.

Feb 04, 2025, 18:45

If this was Japan or Germany or England or France or Italy when they had similar power to act, it wouldn’t be tariffs it would be occupation. No dominant power in history has exercised its military superiority with more restraint than the US. Now these would be imperialists are ‘shocked’ by the US insisting on a level economic playing field.

 

That would be tariffs as well. They no longer have the demographics reservoir to occupy that many countries.

White people rose at a moment in time when they had high fertility rate and benefiting from lower natality death rate, which provided them with a seemingly infinite manpower resource to replace other populations.

Today, they no longer have it hence war is becoming more and more a thing of the past.

ask the Boers, ask the Belgium Congo, ask Poland, ask Algeria, ask Korea. Learn some history. 

Applying tariffs on Congo, Algeria when occupying powers already set the economy policies of the places.

On another note, the US invaded and occupied brutally other countries when they had the opportunity. The Phillipines, Haiti all bear the scars. It was brutal, it was pitiless, it was liberal.

Feb 04, 2025, 22:20

Because I am not discussing Canada, nor am I discussing Mexico or Columbia.....

Because you know Trump doesn't have a case against Canada.

I am specifically discussing your very apparent ignorance relating to your extremely naive statements regarding how America has been exploited over many many years, and you just causually saying that people who believe that it is happening are just stupid, when in fact it's you that is illustrating your stupidity on the matter.

For the last time what has misappropriation of foreign aids fund's got to do with Trump threatening tariffs Mexico and Canada. Precisely jack shit. But of course you know this but like Moz you just want to change the subject.

Just like you ignorantly and naively thought that the Columbian preident was above reproach and always had his citizens best interests at heart, but then he sent military planes to collect them anyway, which you were so dead set against Trump doing, because you know...they needed to be treated like... you know... humans.... so where was your outrage when Petro did exactly what Trump was going to do?....

You went dead quiet very quickly.... just as I expected you to....

There is a major difference between Colombians being returned on their own military plane and a US military plane. The fact that's its a Colombian military plane ensures the Colombian military will be ones staffing the flight and they can ensure that the Colombian citizens being deported are treated humanly and their human rights are respected and not shackled throughout the flight. There is also the perception aspect of it. Colombians arriving home via a foreign military flight in chain's makes it look like this Colombian's are dangerous violent criminals. Walking off your own military plane in your own country not in chain's just looks like citizens being repatriated.

But yeah bring the topic back up and make yourself look even more stupid...if that's somehow possible.

Yeah, big bad Trump hey.... get real man..... face reality for once.

Some of Trump's policies will effect the world market negatively, and I expect it to at some point, I am not naive to that.... but I still see the outstanding benefits of what he is doing compared to some market negatives...

Trump has right now just announced that he has now just got the Mexican president to deploy 10 000 troops to the US - Mexican border, to strengthen border security, curb illegal immigration, and combat drug trafficking, specifically Fentanyl into the US.

The benefits.  None of what he's got so far are benefits that outweigh the reputational damage America has sustained. He got 10,000 troops at the Mexican border, something that he himself got back in 2019 and Biden was able to get back in 2021 without the threats of tariffs. Illegal border crossings where already declining on the Southern border so these Mexican troops are probably not doing make much of a difference to illegal crossings. They will make virtually none to the Fentanyl smuggling because the vast majority of it comes in via official border crossings by American citizens.

What did he get from Canada. He got a recommitting from Canada to something they already intend to do. 

What did he get from Colombia, agreement by Colombia to take deportation flights back, something they were already doing.

China, well they just slapped sanctions right back on America.

And on the other side of the ledger, America's reputation took an absolute pummeling. Who in their right mind would every trust the American's with anything after this. Trump selling the 10,000 Mexican Troops as one poster putting it here "The Border secured" has in fact just handed Mexico leverage. If Trump tries this again, Mexico can simply pull the troops back and say see Trump's actions have left America's border unsecured. Trump himself despite selling it as win, was the one who folded when the markets got spooked. He knew if he kept going he would do considerably economic harm to America and he knew the majority of American's didn't support it.

As for Canada did you notice the part where he basically trashed his own trade deal with Canada from his first term back then which he claimed was the best trade deal they ever made.

In return, the US have agreed to intensify efforts to prevent the trafficking of high-powered weapons into Mexico.

Well that's a good thing for Mexico but I'm a little dubious how much it will help. America and Mexico have this vicious cycle of Mexico fueling America's insatiable appetite for drugs while America' fuel's the Mexican cartels insatiable desire for weapons.

This also puts a pause on the implementation of the 25% tariff on Mexican imports to the United States and also provides both nations with time to negotiate a broader deal addressing any other critical issues.

I say bloody well done Trump..... you can criticise him as I always expect you to.

Oh I can and I will. All that Trump got he could of got just by asking nicely.

 

Feb 04, 2025, 22:21

Complete dominance given 2017 was tainted by Obama’s decisions. Down goes Anger again….how many times do I have to school this woke bloke?

ROFL! Poor old Anger is on the deck again but he isn’t laughing.

What's that got to do with Trump being an idiot in 2025?

Feb 05, 2025, 01:01

Feb 05, 2025, 01:24

A tweet from the user "Mr. Newberger" reads: "TRUMP: I am going to tariff France until they start eating croissants. FRANCE: Okay Monsieur Trump, we will eat zee croissants. ELON: Donald Trump is getting things done! MAGA: Trump wins again!"

Feb 05, 2025, 03:30

Complete dominance given 2017 was tainted by Obama’s decisions. Down goes Anger again….how many times do I have to school this woke bloke?

ROFL! Poor old Anger is on the deck again but he isn’t laughing.

‘What's that got to do with Trump being an idiot in 2025’.….asks Anger

……..

The point is quite simple. He was accused of the same risk in 2017 and things turned out quite well. Covid’s economic impact was weathered far better than Europe because Trump’s team took the right steps.

As for what’s happening now, these are just opening salvos. As a rather smart fellow said on CNBC today….if this was something Trump has concluded, he would have put the time line out 3 months or even 6 months. A month keeps it very much alive on the agenda.

There was nothing unexpected in the market drop on Monday, Trump would have known it was a strong possibility. The reason he chose to put things on ice aren’t clear, but that wasn’t it.

Try to be patient and don’t believe all the nonsense in your press.

 

Feb 05, 2025, 06:18

Biden handed over an economy which is believed to be the envy of the Western world .

 

In his first term, Mr Trump’s protectionist crusade – tariffs on China, a Nafta shake-up and attacking allies’ trade policies – was sold as a revolution. Instead, it was a self-inflicted wound. His administration slapped $80bn in new “taxes” on Americans through tariffs, only to see supply chains reroute to Vietnam and Indonesia rather than bring jobs back home. The real cost? A 0.2% hit to GDP and 142,000 jobs lost, according to the Tax Foundation. Without serious investment in domestic industry, the America First trade strategy didn’t rebuild US manufacturing – it just drove up costs. Mr Trump’s chaos isn’t confidence – it’s desperation. He’s trying to conjure power he doesn’t actually have. He is manufacturing a perception of dominance in the hope that Americans will simply accept it. The real danger is letting his illusion of power become reality.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/03/the-guardian-view-on-donald-trumps-power-grab-a-coup-veiled-by-chaos

 

 

Feb 05, 2025, 15:16

"Because you know Trump doesn't have a case against Canada."

You made a ridiculous comment about how people are stupid for thinking or belieiving that the USA is get exploited.

I then replied with facts against your very stupid statement, that you are wrong, as usual, and then you keep bringing up Canada, which I never mentioned or discussed..

So stop evading the issue, you started this with naiveity and your own ignorance regarding the exploitation of the USA, which you are clearly incorrect about....

"For the last time what has misappropriation of foreign aids fund's got to do with Trump threatening tariffs Mexico and Canada. Precisely jack shit. But of course you know this but like Moz you just want to change the subject."

You stupid silly moron .... stop deflecting..... show me where I discussed Canada ... I didn't and never have.... I very clearly disputed this original statement of yours below.

"some stupid imagined grievance that the whole world is exploiting America"

You keep deflecting the discussion away from another very obvious blunder you made by saying that it's a stupid and ingrained grievance that people believe the USA is getting exploited....

"There is a major difference between Colombians being returned on their own military plane and a US military plane. The fact that's its a Colombian military plane ensures the Colombian military will be ones staffing the flight and they can ensure that the Colombian citizens being deported are treated humanly and their human rights are respected and not shackled throughout the flight. There is also the perception aspect of it. Colombians arriving home via a foreign military flight in chain's makes it look like this Colombian's are dangerous violent criminals. Walking off your own military plane in your own country not in chain's just looks like citizens being repatriated.

But yeah bring the topic back up and make yourself look even more stupid...if that's somehow possible."

Says the guy that ridiculed and insulted one president for wanting to send these people back home on military planes, but is perfectly fine with their own president doing the exact same thing..... too funny

"Illegal border crossings where already declining on the Southern border so these Mexican troops are probably not doing make much of a difference to illegal crossings"

Just look at yourself here..... you are absolutely pathetic.... so 10 000 troops won't make a difference on the border ... man.... just fuck off.....the level of your maturity on issues like this is non-existent.....just ludicrous.... and I doubt many people, if any, would agree with you on that specific point.....

I guess then by your delusional logic, the additional 10 000 security personnel that was also just negotiated from Canada will also make no difference to the Fentanyl or illegal crossings etc etc even though there were already some security personnel placed there  .... you are just being extremely stupid for saying this ..

"What did he get from Canada. He got a recommitting from Canada to something they already intend to do."

Another blatant lie from you ...

Because, according to a recent post by Justin Trudeau himself from yesterday.

Trump got from Canada:

A $1.3 billion dollar border plan, with new helicopters, technology and personnel

A dedicated Fentanyl Czar

Increased resources to stop the flow of Fentanyl

Additional 10 000 frontline personnel

Listing the cartels as terrorists 

24/7 eyes on the border

A Canada joint US strike force to combat organized crime and money laundering

A new intelligence directive with funding of $200 million

But of course Stav, according to you, this will all have all been put in place well before Trump took office, and it's also coincidentally the reason why the tariffs have now been postponed for a month ....despite Trudeau just stating that it just happened over the phone .....LMFAO

"Oh I can and I will. All that Trump got he could of got just by asking nicely"

ROTFLMAO ..... yeah, you mean like Biden and Kamala got it

Feb 05, 2025, 15:55

Feb 05, 2025, 17:28

regarding the exploitation of the USA

 

Are people supposed to believe the claim that the US are being exploited when they send USD money abroad?

Feb 05, 2025, 17:58

Try to avoid the Guardian Blob…it’s bad for your health. If Biden did anything worthwhile for the economy it was because he left everything to others. This old man never had a clue.

Feb 06, 2025, 12:26

You made a ridiculous comment about how people are stupid for thinking or belieiving that the USA is get exploited.

I then replied with facts against your very stupid statement, that you are wrong, as usual, and then you keep bringing up Canada, which I never mentioned or discussed..

So stop evading the issue, you started this with naiveity and your own ignorance regarding the exploitation of the USA, which you are clearly incorrect about....

No I called Trump's imagined grievances stupid.

My comments were clearly being made in the context of Trump's tariff threats against Mexico, Canada, China and also the EU which he threatened over the weekend. You know what was all over the news last weekend and Monday, what was being discussed in this thread and oh look the f**king thread topic name.

The evasion was done by you, whataboutisms over foreign aid misappropriation which clearly doesn't apply to a country like Canada and was not Trump's stated reason's for the tariffs on any of the countries targeted last weekend.

Trump has made it clear in the past that he views having a trade deficit to country as America loosing and being taken advantage by the other country, this is a stupidly simplistic view of economics.

You stupid silly moron .... stop deflecting..... show me where I discussed Canada ... I didn't and never have.... I very clearly disputed this original statement of yours below.

I'm a moron?, look at the thread title you angry clown of a man.

You keep deflecting the discussion away from another very obvious blunder you made by saying that it's a stupid and ingrained grievance that people believe the USA is getting exploited....

Go on then, point to the part where I said people were stupid to believe that the US is getting exploited.

Because here's what I said 

"The whole world is critical of Trump's action. Its just disgraceful bullying on his part and for what, some stupid imagined grievance that the whole world is exploiting America. America is already the largest and most powerful economy in the world by far, yet its somehow being exploited. Ridiculous carry on"

I was referring to Trump's belief that the whole world is exploiting America. 

That's not to say that America hasn't been exploited at times by most countries in various different ways to different extents. But conversely America has also exploited most countries in different way to different extent at times. But in the grand economic scheme of things, when looking at the global economy America has done the best out of everyone. 

Says the guy that ridiculed and insulted one president for wanting to send these people back home on military planes, but is perfectly fine with their own president doing the exact same thing..... too funny

So you don't have an argument here do you. Just ignore the fact you made a tit of yourself and try to brazen it out...yeah too funny.

Just look at yourself here..... you are absolutely pathetic.... so 10 000 troops won't make a difference on the border ... man.... just fuck off.....the level of your maturity on issues like this is non-existent.....just ludicrous.... and I doubt many people, if any, would agree with you on that specific point.....

Now who's being dishonest. I said not much of a difference. 10,000 troops would amount to about 5 troops per mile of border (but that's assuming an even distribution which it won't be). I believe it brings the total number of Mexican troops on the border up form 36,000 to 46,000. The Mexican border with the US is 3,145km long. To put that into context during the Troubles in Northern Ireland, the British had 20,000 troops on a border 499km long and they where never able to secure it.

I guess then by your delusional logic, the additional 10 000 security personnel that was also just negotiated from Canada will also make no difference to the Fentanyl or illegal crossings etc etc even though there were already some security personnel placed there  .... you are just being extremely stupid for saying this ..

Yes it will make bugger all difference because illegal border crossings and fentanyl smuggling across the northern border is already a very minor issue.

Another blatant lie from you ...

Because, according to a recent post by Justin Trudeau himself from yesterday.

A $1.3 billion dollar border plan, with new helicopters, technology and personnel

A dedicated Fentanyl Czar

Increased resources to stop the flow of Fentanyl

Additional 10 000 frontline personnel

Listing the cartels as terrorists 

24/7 eyes on the border

A Canada joint US strike force to combat organized crime and money laundering

A new intelligence directive with funding of $200 million

The $1.3 billion was already agreed to in December.

The dedicated Fentanyl Czar is a joke. Just 43 pounds of Fentanyl were intercepted crossing over into American from Canada last year.

10,000 front-line personal. Canada has already said they won't be military personal and  not all the personal involved will be placed on the border.

Listing the cartels as terrorist. This will do what exactly? Meaningless action that doesn't cost Canada a thing.

24/7 eyes on the border. ROFL, would you get serious for a second. The US Canadian border is massive, 10,000 more people isn't going make much difference nor is illegal border crossing a significant issue in the first place. Absolute brainless drivel.

As for the joint strike force and intelligence directive, they were already agreed to in December.

But of course Stav, according to you, this will all have all been put in place well before Trump took office, and it's also coincidentally the reason why the tariffs have now been postponed for a month ....despite Trudeau just stating that it just happened over the phone .....LMFAO

And here's the press statement from December 17th

Government of Canada announces its plan to strengthen border security and our immigration system

LMFAO x 100.

ROTFLMAO ..... yeah, you mean like Biden and Kamala got it

Yeah like Biden got.

 

Feb 06, 2025, 15:11

"You know what was all over the news last weekend and Monday, what was being discussed in this thread and oh look the f**king thread topic name.

I'm a moron?, look at the thread title you angry clown of a man.

You move the goal posts all the time when you step in the shit and get yourself into a corner.... it's a common ugly trait of yours.

So you are saying now that you only discuss the actual topic of every thread and you never discuss or dispute the content of the posts that people respond with within that thread, like I just did here with you, because you clearly got it wrong ..... again?

Piss off you liar... you just can't stop can you, and it's clearly because you have recently been shown up with cold hard facts, for being the dishonest and deceitful poster that you are..... you made a very stupid and dumb statement .... again.....and I called you out on it with facts.... again...... live with it.

"The evasion was done by you"

Clearly no evasions by me......

This is you ...

"No I called Trump's imagined grievances stupid."

"I was referring to Trump's belief that the whole world is exploiting America."

I disputed it and post the facts, then you reply and say this...

"That's not to say that America hasn't been exploited at times by most countries in various different ways to different extents."

Duh!! ... LMFAO

I rest my case..... Trump was and still even right now, is absolutely spot on and you got it wrong, as usual..... so nothing was stupid or imagined by Trump, it was all real and factual..... you imagined Trump was wrong .... again.

"But conversely America has also exploited most countries in different way to different extent at times. But in the grand economic scheme of things, when looking at the global economy America has done the best out of everyone"

LOL, yeah, you keep spinning it man ... nobody said they didn't.

"So you don't have an argument here do you. Just ignore the fact you made a tit of yourself and try to brazen it out...yeah too funny."

You have no idea how stupid this specific topic made you look .......no idea at all.

It's like

Look at this dick wanting to send these people home on a miltary plane ... what a disgusting way to treat your fellow human beings, does he not have any empathy.

Oh wait... look here.... here is such a nice guy, he is not sending these people home in military planes, but he is however sending military planes to collect them.... what a proper decent chap he is ... too funny

"Now who's being dishonest. I said not much of a difference. 10,000 troops would amount to about 5 troops per mile of border (but that's assuming an even distribution which it won't be). I believe it brings the total number of Mexican troops on the border up form 36,000 to 46,000. The Mexican border with the US is 3,145km long. To put that into context during the Troubles in Northern Ireland, the British had 20,000 troops on a border 499km long and they where never able to secure it."

You will minimise any and every single thing that Trump does, it's clear as mud.

"Yes it will make bugger all difference because illegal border crossings and fentanyl smuggling across the northern border is already a very minor issue."

Of course it won't.... LMAO .. bugger all difference... ok.... I mean why does Trump even bother hey ....

"Just 43 pounds of Fentanyl were intercepted crossing over into American from Canada last year"

You unbelievably stupid idiot..... the very fact that if it was ONLY 43 pounds that was intercepted crossing over into America is precisely why this position was created..... are you seriously this stupid and ignorant?

"10,000 front-line personal. Canada has already said they won't be military personal and  not all the personal involved will be placed on the border."

Of course, another bugger all improvement theory ... LMAO ... oh why does Trump even bother

"Listing the cartels as terrorist. This will do what exactly? Meaningless action that doesn't cost Canada a thing."

It escalates and increases the seriousness and financial resources allocated to that particular problem, but you know this.... but minimise it nontheless.

"The US Canadian border is massive, 10,000 more people isn't going make much difference nor is illegal border crossing a significant issue in the first place. Absolute brainless drivel.

As for the joint strike force and intelligence directive, they were already agreed to in December."

Yet this only happened just as Trump was coming into office.... sjoh..... so many coincidences that Biden got all these things done just before vacating the office...LMFAO

"LMFAO x 100.

ROTFLMAO ..... yeah, you mean like Biden and Kamala got it

Yeah like Biden got."

Government of Canada announces its plan to strengthen border security and our immigration system

You do realize that this was budgeted in 2024 over the next 5 years, so it's very easy to see Canada preparing for the policy shifts coming with the incoming Trump administration, and if Biden and Kamala had a hand in this, then credit to them, but I won't give them too much credit... again, this was announced 3 weeks before Trump was taking office, and I don't believe in all these coincidences like you always do.

Trump made his feelings and thoughts extremely well known, during his entire campaign trail and also again when he finally officially got elected, so I can easily see why so many deals were done from November till Trump officially took office, and whilst some of that credit could go to Biden or Harris, I definitely give most of it to Trump.

"Mexico, Honduras, Guatemala deploy troops to lower migration WASHINGTON (AP) — The Biden administration has struck an agreement with Mexico, Honduras and Guatemala to temporarily surge security forces to their borders in an effort to reduce the tide of migration to the U.S. border."

LMFAO, what they said is one thing..... and what they actually did was something else entirely ... and I mean entirely.

So when you post this, you are saying that Biden and Harris really implemented this, which reduced and resolved the immigrants coming from Mexico, Honduras and Guatemala.... you are actually saying that this was legit put into place and that it worked?

Have a look at multiple reports on illegal migration or immigration in the USA during the Biden and Harris administration.....and then tell me how valid that report is which you quoted from April 2021 .... LMFAO..... just have a look at the reports.

Then... talk to me in a few months time and we will compare these migration numbers under Trump, compared to Biden, and if I am wrong I will openly apologise to you on this forum, and if you are wrong, you do the same..... deal?

So, to be clear, I am willing to compare what Trump only does in 3 - 6 - 12 months...... compared to what Biden and Harris had 4 years to do. 

3 - 6 - 12 months from now..... and you can even stipulate over what timeframe we must compare...

Feb 06, 2025, 15:21

US Americans rioted under the pretext of no taxation without representation. The USD is taxation on the rest of the world. And the rest of the world is not represented.

Feb 06, 2025, 18:21

You move the goal posts all the time when you step in the shit and get yourself into a corner.... it's a common ugly trait of yours.

The thread was clearly about Trump's tariffs on Mexico and Canada and his actions and comments over the last weekend.

So you are saying now that you only discuss the actual topic of every thread and you never discuss or dispute the content of the posts that people respond with within that thread, like I just did here with you, because you clearly got it wrong ..... again?

Piss off you liar... you just can't stop can you, and it's clearly because you have recently been shown up with cold hard facts, for being the dishonest and deceitful poster that you are..... you made a very stupid and dumb statement .... again.....and I called you out on it with facts.... again...... live with it.

Of course I'm not and you know it. You simply want to change the topic over to misappropriation of foreign aid a topic I never commented on to avoid having to talk about Trump's stupidly simplistic views on trade and his stated reason's for employing tariffs.

Do you really think screaming liar, dishonest, deceitful every 5 seconds is distracting anyone from the lack of substance in your arguments. You come across as being a very angry emotional chap who holds a grudge and has become more than a little bit obsessed with proving my posts wrong. I'm guessing my last response on that Ashely Biden diary thread stuck a nerve.

Clearly no evasions by me......

This is you ...

Look at the topics thread name.

I disputed it and post the facts, then you reply and say this...

Duh!! ... LMFAO

I rest my case..... Trump was and still even right now, is absolutely spot on and you got it wrong, as usual..... so nothing was stupid or imagined by Trump, it was all real and factual..... you imagined Trump was wrong .... again.

Where did I say America had never been exploited by anyone. What you have done as you always do, is misinterpret statements I make to have a completely different meaning.

I absolute stand by the claim that Trump's understanding of trade that trade surplus = winning and trade deficit = loosing is stupid and that his stated reason's for putting tariffs on Canada were also stupid and imagined. 

LOL, yeah, you keep spinning it man ... nobody said they didn't.

America largely built the worlds global economic system, its benefited the most from it. It got to number 1 in the world and maintained that position through that system. But according to the Trumpites they are getting screwed and they want even more, not realizing their actions threaten to undermine their own dominance. 

You have no idea how stupid this specific topic made you look .......no idea at all.

It's like

Look at this dick wanting to send these people home on a miltary plane ... what a disgusting way to treat your fellow human beings, does he not have any empathy.

Oh wait... look here.... here is such a nice guy, he is not sending these people home in military planes, but he is however sending military planes to collect them.... what a proper decent chap he is ... too funny

LOL, more of the the brazen balls act. Just pretend I didn't completely refute your argument and call me stupid.

You will minimise any and every single thing that Trump does, it's clear as mud.

It's not my fault that you are completely blind to down side of Trumps actions. He's doing immense damage to America's reputation, spooking the markets and completely shredding America's soft power. What he has gained on the Southern border is trivial compared to that damage.

Of course it won't.... LMAO .. bugger all difference... ok.... I mean why does Trump even bother hey 

Yes you absolute imbecile. Because in the grand scheme of things illegal border crossings and fentanyl smuggling on the northern border is a very minor issue.

So yes why did he bother to gain something so insignificant at such a high price. 

Your so dazzled by his tough man act you can't see the damage its doing to America. China's laughing this shit up. It will be more than happy to launch a charm offensive around the world, and say hey look we are reliable trade partners, not like those crazy Yanks that can throw tariffs on you for some random reason at any time.

You unbelievably stupid idiot..... the very fact that if it was ONLY 43 pounds that was intercepted crossing over into America is precisely why this position was created..... are you seriously this stupid and ignorant?

Oh look he's calling me stupid again how mean. Yes only 43 pounds where intercepted, not because the Canada are some sort of immensely incompetent people who can't police their own border but because the relative amount of fentanyl being brought across the border from Canada is very small. The amount intercepted at the border is 412 times smaller than what was intercept at the Mexican border.

What are they going to double fentanyl seizures to 86 pounds?

Of course, another bugger all improvement theory ... LMAO ... oh why does Trump even bother

Yes why does he bother when the wins are so trivial and the cost is so high to America's international standing.

It escalates and increases the seriousness and financial resources allocated to that particular problem, but you know this.... but minimise it nontheless.

Or Canada can just designate cartels as terrorist and do nothing else. 

Yet this only happened just as Trump was coming into office.... sjoh..... so many coincidences that Biden got all these things done just before vacating the office...LMFAO

You do realize that this was budgeted in 2024 over the next 5 years, so it's very easy to see Canada preparing for the policy shifts coming with the incoming Trump administration, and if Biden and Kamala had a hand in this, then credit to them, but I won't give them too much credit... again, this was announced 3 weeks before Trump was taking office, and I don't believe in all these coincidences like you always do.

Trump made his feelings and thoughts extremely well known, during his entire campaign trail and also again when he finally officially got elected, so I can easily see why so many deals were done from November till Trump officially took office, and whilst some of that credit could go to Biden or Harris, I definitely give most of it to Trump.

Hold up I didn't say that was a coincidence and despite your claim's that I don't credit Trump for anything these were indeed likely a nod by the Canadian government to try to placate Trump in advance as you said his position was well known in advance.

But this actually supports my point. He already got these concessions out of Canada without threatening tariffs. The whole episode at the weekend was entirely unnecessary and immensely damaging to America's reputation on the global stage. It came across as completely unjustified bullying of a nation that's been nothing but a great neighbor to the US.

LMFAO, what they said is one thing..... and what they actually did was something else entirely ... and I mean entirely.

So when you post this, you are saying that Biden and Harris really implemented this, which reduced and resolved the immigrants coming from Mexico, Honduras and Guatemala.... you are actually saying that this was legit put into place and that it worked?

Have a look at multiple reports on illegal migration or immigration in the USA during the Biden and Harris administration.....and then tell me how valid that report is which you quoted from April 2021 .... LMFAO..... just have a look at the reports.

LOL nice undermining of your own argument. So you keep harping on about the deployment of 10,000 thousand as this major victory for Trump, but then cite a time when the same number of troops were deployed to the border was ineffective.

Then... talk to me in a few months time and we will compare these migration numbers under Trump, compared to Biden, and if I am wrong I will openly apologise to you on this forum, and if you are wrong, you do the same..... deal?

The numbers were already trending downwards since the start of 2024 and I except that trend to continue. But if their is a notable increase in the number of arrests made by Mexican authorities I'll give Trump some credit, but I'd be extremely skeptical that any such improvement would be worth the reputational damage done to the US by the whole episode.

Feb 06, 2025, 21:24

Fck this is tedious...

Feb 06, 2025, 21:32

Well no one is holding a gun to your head and making you read it now are they Draad?

Feb 06, 2025, 21:37

My comment wasn't aimed at you alone...and although I enjoy the subject matter, I think both sides go too far...

Feb 06, 2025, 21:42

Stav, when are you coming to Cape Town for a match? I actually fancy attending a Stellenbosch match one of these days...I'd like to buy you a beer...and my budget won't allow me to travel to Ireland any time soon...  :-)

Feb 06, 2025, 22:01

Stav, when are you coming to Cape Town for a match? I actually fancy attending a Stellenbosch match one of these days...I'd like to buy you a beer...and my budget won't allow me to travel to Ireland any time soon...  :-)

Not sure if I'd ever travel down to South Africa, maybe some day but no plans in the short term future. Funnily enough I was at the match last season when Connacht were playing the Stormers in Galway.

Have to say Stellenbosch does look nice though.

Feb 07, 2025, 06:28

My wife and I walked the streets of Stellies again last Saturday...after 35 years De Akker looked almost exactly the same...and there's even more pubs today than back the...

 
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