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Jan 01, 2023, 19:39

So, some of the initial data points:

-In the last 10 years, Trumps has made a profit in only 1 year. (That was the sale of a building he inherited from his father). All other years were a loss... 

-All of Trump's businesses make massive losses, except the licensing of the Trump name (Which was a brand inherited from his father). Donald Trump does not have to do anything here, hence why this is the only area that makes a profit.

- Trump pays little to no income tax. He actually lives off the expenditure of all of his companies, instead of taking a salary that is taxable.
In the last year of his "presidency", he paid nothing in income tax. 

- His companies are really just money laundering scams where he undervalues for tax purposes and overvalues for insurance.

Why does the government not strike the businesses of the company registrar?
They are just ways for Trump to make a living off losses and steal tax, instead of paying it. 

Trump is a con man. A parasite that lives off society by stealing the contributions of others. His maggot children are just an extension of this. 

Jan 01, 2023, 19:48

Lol, it burns hey.

Jan 01, 2023, 20:22


Cope and seethe.

Jan 01, 2023, 20:25

I must admit this is not a problem unique to Trump- but Trump is an extreme example.

The richest people in the world get away with paying like 1% tax, while the rest of us mugs fill the government coffers.

If the problem could be fixed we could all pay less tax (income/vat). 

A fundamental tenant of conservatism is low tax and a small government is good for capitalism- but why is it that only the rich are eligible for this? 

Jan 01, 2023, 20:39

He will pay tax when he cashes in some of his much tax did he pay on the building he sold?

Jan 01, 2023, 21:38

So is he going to jail this time, SB?

Jan 01, 2023, 21:43

If he broke any TAX laws the Demorats would already have filed charges with Biden and his DOJ, FBI and IRS because they have had his tax records since day one.

So after all this investigating of President Trump and rumor mongering by the "Rats" and the "Clowns" on this site what have they come up with that was criminal.

The answer is a big ZERO.



The "Rats"and the "Biden Empire" cannot afford to let President Trump win another term because they will be behind bars in the first year and he will expose all the corruption and illegal acts that they have committed and some might be bordering on TREASON.

Hang them HIGH I say.

So you "Clowns" hang in there and enjoy the action coming.

Jan 01, 2023, 22:25

No Pakie, well at least not for this offence. The only reason is that other rich people are doing similar stuff, albeit not nearly as badly. 

He should go to prison for the other crimes though. (e.g. treason).
If Garland and Jack Smith don't put Trump in jail, they are weaklings. 

The next 2-3 months will determine if Trump does go to jail. Watch this space, and remember to thank me for saying "I told you so". :D

Jan 01, 2023, 23:05

What a TWAT YOU REALLY ARE  sharktwat.

If Trump is ever convicted of anything and goes to prison it will be a surprise to all even the "RATS" .

But some of your "Rats" in power now are surely going to have to perform a bend over to Big Daddy once they get their dues.


Cannot wait for "Adam Shifty" to get his dues while on all fours.

Jan 01, 2023, 23:16

Farter, Trump is a white supremacist like you, so that is enough to get your vote. 

Most of the far right that supports Trump are old people, their ideology is fading from the earth. Each day their voices grow more silent. The world is changing, and your way is getting less relevant each day. Has-beens that cant move with the times and get old gracefully... Angry and bitter at the world, hating Democracy as it deserts you.

Jan 02, 2023, 02:42


You are at it again.   Trump never took his salary as President and donated the whole salary to welfare organizations - it was a campaign promise he kept.  Unlike crooks like Biden he did not use his position to enrich himself and his family.   He also paid his family members who serve in the WH from his own resources.   

That left him with no income tax to be paid.   So the question remains how much tax did his companies pay?    That was not released and the story about him paying no income tax at all is BS -another lie concocted by the low-life and crooked Democrats that backfired on them.   They found nothing to score points of or prove to be illegal in his tax returns anyway.   Why did they not release his income tax returns before he became President anyway?

Have you any proof of his companies being bankrupt and not paying taxes.   The idiotic Democrats spread that story as well - without any real proof of anything.   But they have enough idiots to use to spread rubbish like you do.      

Idiocy supreme let you to come up with another BS thread anyway.  When will you ever learn?

The question about Democracy is another issue you know nothing about.   The doctrine you support are anti-democratic.   Take an example - the Democrats and Biden used the FBI to tell news media what they may write or may not write.   Whenever there is any criticism of the Biden criminality it is hushed up by the Democrats and the press is lied to by ithe FBI and CIA.   In schools the children are taught to hate their parents - a strategy used by Stalin in Russia.    When parents object to that - they are regarded as "domestic terrorists".

The list goes on and on.    The whole USA media are under control of people like Gates, Zuckerman, some others of the ultra-richest and Soros - who owns majority and control shares in media companies.    Gates and Soros even issues reports that determine policy decisions and Biden and the WH act on those.   That is even a bigger threat to democracy.  In the USA the Biden Administration went the Communist and Fascist  way - they tried to establish a Disinformation Board to censor news  - that was exposed and they had to declare that the Board is not functioning anymore - but it still is.   Do you think that is Democratic at all?    

But then you regard Zelenskyy as a democrat.    He has banned all opposition parties from functioning - he had opposition members of Parliament arrested - his election was funded by a soulmate of Soros - who are striving to undermine any democracy wherever it exists.    You obviously support one of his decrees - banning the biggest church operating in Ukraine and raiding the churches.                                 


Jan 02, 2023, 05:57

    Ukraine suspends 11 political parties with links to Russia

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    Zelenskiy says parties such as Viktor Medvedchuk’s Opposition Platform for Life are ‘aimed at division or collusion’

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    Sun 20 Mar 2022 14.37 GMTLast modified on Mon 21 Mar 2022 05.11 GMT

  • Eleven Ukrainian political parties have been suspended because of their links with Russia, according to the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy.

    The country’s national security and defence council took the decision to ban the parties from any political activity. Most of the parties affected were small, but one of them, the Opposition Platform for Life, has 44 seats in the 450-seat Ukrainian parliament.

    “The activities of those politicians aimed at division or collusion will not succeed, but will receive a harsh response,” Zelenskiy said, in a video address on Sunday.

    “Therefore, the national security and defence council decided, given the full-scale war unleashed by Russia, and the political ties that a number of political structures have with this state, to suspend any activity of a number of political parties for the period of martial law,” the Ukrainian leader added.

    The Opposition Platform for Life, Ukraine’s biggest opposition party, is led by Viktor Medvedchuk, a pro-Moscow oligarch with close ties to the Russian president, Vladimir Putin. Party officials later said the suspension “had no legal basis”.

    The Ukrainian authorities last year charged Medvedchuk, a longtime ally of Putin who is believed to be the godfather of Medvedchuk’s daughter, with treason and placed the oligarch under house arrest, a move that angered the Kremlin.

    Ukraine said Medvedchuk escaped house arrest three days after Russia started its invasion of Ukraine on 24 February and his whereabouts are currently unknown.

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    The list of parties banned on Sunday also included the Nashi (Ours) party led by Yevhen Murayev, as well as a number of smaller parties not represented in the parliament. Prior to the start of the war, unspecified British intelligence claimed that Russia was considering installing Murayev to lead a Kremlin-controlled puppet government in Kyiv, claims that Murayev strongly denied.

    Ukraine’s decision to suspend a number of parties was slammed by senior Russian officials on Sunday, with the chair of the Duma, Vyacheslav Volodin, saying “it was another mistake” made by Zelenskiy that will “divide the country”, while ex-president and top security official Dmitry Medvedev sarcastically wrote that the move would bring Ukraine closer to the west.

    “The most democratic president of modern Ukraine has taken another step towards the western ideals of democracy. By decision of the Council for National Defence and Security, he completely banned any activity of opposition parties in Ukraine. They are not needed! Well done! Keep it up,” Medvedev wrote on his Telegram channel.

    The political move comes as Zelenskiy aims to further assert his influence over the country’s media sphere. On Sunday, the Ukrainian leader signed a decree that aims to unite all national TV channels into one platform, citing the importance of a “unified information policy” under martial law.

Jan 02, 2023, 09:37


That is BS from the media.   When the Ukraine Parliament discussed and voted before the  Russian Invasion all Opposition Parties voted  against the potential invasion together with Zelenskyy's party.    The only "link" to Russia is the fact that the main opposition parties are supported by Russian-Speaking people - a third of the Ukraine population has Russian as home language.

The media report referred to Medvechuck - he was not put under House Arrest - he was in fact arrested.   Where he is now is a closely guarded secret of the Ukraine Government.   It would be a miracle if he is still alive.   He was arrested together with all other Opposition Members of the Ukraine Parliament.   How would he vanish as alleged by the article and nobody knows where he is?               

The final act of Zelenskyy to arrest all Russian-speaking Members of Parliament without charging them with any criminal charges.   The Attorney General was supposed to formulate charges against the arrestees and could not find any links that could lead to charges with due regard to the 1991 Constitution of Ukraine.   The Constitution was not the basis applied in Ukraine since the unconstitutional transfer of power in 2014.  The problem was that during negotiations leading to the Minsk Agreement in 2015 it was agreed that a new Constitution was to be compiled and approved by a referendum in Ukraine - since it was realized that the 1991 Constitution was aborted and there was no valid Constitution in Ukraine anymore.   The Agreement was never implemented.

Be it as it may - one of the conditions of the 1991 Constitution related to the Attorney General position and to ensure independence of the position firing of the Attorney General must be approved by a two-third majority of Parliament before it could be implemented.    That did not bother Zelenskyy at all.   He fired the Attorney General none-the-less without Parliamentary approval when she could not frame charges against the Arrested Members of Parliament.   

The unconfirmed story about a mysterious Murayev is total BS.   Why would Russia want him -  a small party leader -  installed as their puppet President in Ukraine.   I am sure that is what happened during the coup in 2014 when the USA decided on who should be the interim President after the coup.  The deposed President of Ukraine in 2014 is still in Russia - he has a large following in Ukraine - if the Russians want to install anybody in Ukraine it would be the deposed President - not a total unknown.    However, other than media BS and declarations by some so-called leaders there was never an intention of Russia to conquer Ukraine as a whole.  

There is at present NO CONSTITUTION in Ukraine - there is no freedom of the Press - there is no rights of individuals to express any anti Zelenskyy opinions on anything.   No Democratic Country even under War Conditions has banned all opposition political parties ever.   In Democracies the governing and opposition parties work together to attain their objective in protecting their countries - in dictatorships the Opposition Parties are banned like in Ukraine and in the absence of a Constitution for the Country the bans will never be lifted.

That is the typical kind of reporting like happened in the case of the Bio-Labs story.  The media chanted that the Labs did not exist - even after the Biden Under-Secretary of State under oath in Senate of the USA confirmed that the Bio-Labs exist.  She claimed that the Bio-Labs did not do research on dangerous pathogens - but then added that the USA Government is worried about the pathogens falling into Russian hands.   Why the worry of the pathogens are indeed harmless.   The story in the media afterwards changed - namely that the USA is helping Ukraine to close down Soviet-era Bio-Labs - idiotic since the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991 - what was closed down after 30 years?   Nothing - confidential and trusted sources said there are 25+ Bio-Labs funded and operated by the USA in Ukraine.    One of those was built in 2018 in Odessa.   One of the bio-labs was in fact captured and the Russians found US Government instructions to avoid the pathogens being captured by the Russians - so the Bio-Lab existence is disgracing the USA as well.            


Jan 02, 2023, 09:37


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Jan 02, 2023, 17:46



Was the point and it has nothing to do with my age or your assumptions.

Typical of your answers divert, divert and then post a string of BS.

Every time a "Rat" makes claims of President Trump's criminal activity you jump on board and state that he is going down.

Each and every time without fail you have been wrong.

Why you may ask, well.

Simple answer really is that your personal views driven by hate and revenge are so out of touch with reality that your ability to reason and justice are screwed up.

Get help guy or take a jump after you have a dump.


Jan 02, 2023, 18:07

"Simple answer really is that your personal views driven by hate and revenge are so out of touch with reality that your ability to reason and justice are screwed up."

Exactly...but the penny hasn't dropped...and he's got company too.

Jan 02, 2023, 19:34

Farter your hero lost the election and you like the other Trumpanzees cried.
For years, you had kept on saying 4 more years, and look how that turned out...

The point I was making is my take on things is closer to the mainstream reality, while you are one of the alt-right Trumpanzees. I would rather be with the 21st century's Democratic values than against them. So I don't hate the world, but I do enjoy laughing at irrelevant has-beens like you that did not move with the times...

You probably hang around outside drag queen events so you can attack them in the name of God. You have probably flown over to the US to go to a Trump rally to hang around with those clowns.  Degenerates of the Western world...Arabs Fundamentalist "Westerners". Your way is on its way out...:D bye, bye.

Jan 02, 2023, 20:16

Sorry that my posting got to you Twat, shame.

Hitler was also mainstream at one stage and look what happened to the German Empire.

Yet again another disappointment for you, I don't hang around outside any sort of events or the type you attend as above.

I have better ways to use my time such as showing my children, grandchildren and great grandchildren the good way in life and traditions that I was taught, learned and practised during my life,

Respect, truth, loyalty and to honor my family, friends and faith.

You know some of the important details missing in your life.

But keep going downhill and eventually you will reach the bottom.

Now head off to your Drag club.


Jan 02, 2023, 20:17


Jan 02, 2023, 20:22

In a moment of sheer hubris I once had the idea of buying a Cape wine farm. So I looked at about of 10 them and studied the financials of 4 or 5. These were not the Meerlusts, but nice properties with brand name wines and restaurants not merely grape producers.

What I discovered was everyone was cash flow negative and not profitable. But the value increases in the property would have more than offset these  losses.

I was finally deterred by the thought of having a hundred or so employees each of whom would have had dependents who would have needs. Saying no to anything that wasn’t contractual is obviously what one does. But how do you say no to a woman whose kid needs an operation. So I punted.

But the point here is you can’t judge property companies by normal corporate standards….they are an asset game.

Lenders and investors aren’t dumb, if there was no pay off Trump could never finance all these deals.

Jan 03, 2023, 01:06

A successful businessman makes a profit and makes a contribution to society. 
Profits are taxable...

What Trump does is

1.) Pays himself no salary on the few companies that are profitable (the Trump name license). That means he owes the government as little tax as possible on these companies and relies on loans and capital gains instead of a salary. 

2) Then he pays himself a massive salary on the companies that make a loss, so the government owes him tax. (At least while that company exists, before being taken bankrupt after defaulting on debts to the suppliers that are real companies, that have to be written off as losses).
So he steals from the government and ethical companies. 

He is a conman that has used his family name to get away with things that other people would not be able to. Trump is a con man that plays the system. No one has been involved in more bankruptcies than Trump. 

He actually has hundreds of companies, but that is just for accounting and tax fraud purposes. 
Shift all the costs to them, and make them bust once their debts are high. Then create a shell company. 

Donald Trump loves to talk big about how great he is at business. His record says otherwise.

Trump’s failed businesses:

1. Trump Steaks

2. GoTrump 

3. Trump Airlines

4. Trump Vodka

5. Trump Mortgage

6. Trump: The Game

7. Trump Magazine

8. Trump University

9. Trump Ice 

10. The New Jersey Generals 

11. Tour de Trump 

12. Trump Network 

13. Trumped! 

Trump companies that sought bankruptcy protection:

1. Trump Taj Mahal 

2. Trump’s Castle

3. Trump Plaza Casinos

4. Trump Plaza Hotel 

5. Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts 

6. Trump Entertainment Resorts 


Business bankruptcies[edit]

Although Trump has never filed for personal bankruptcy, hotels and casino businesses of his have declared bankruptcy[56] six times between 1991 and 2009 due to its inability to meet required payments and to re-negotiate debt with banks, owners of stock and bonds and various small businesses (unsecured creditors).[57][58] 

Because the businesses used Chapter 11 bankruptcy, they were allowed to operate while negotiations proceeded. Trump was quoted by Newsweek in 2011 saying, "I do play with the bankruptcy laws—they're very good for me."[59][60]

The six bankruptcies were the result of over-leveraged hotel and casino businesses in Atlantic City and New York: Trump Taj Mahal (1991), Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino (1992), Plaza Hotel (1992), Trump Castle Hotel and Casino (1992), Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts (2004), and Trump Entertainment Resorts (2009).[56][61][62] 

Trump said "I've used the laws of this country to pare debt. ... We'll have the company. We'll throw it into a chapter. We'll negotiate with the banks. We'll make a fantastic deal. You know, it's like on The Apprentice. It's not personal. It's just business."[50]


Jan 03, 2023, 01:29


What is mainstream reality/You apparently have a screwed idea what is it.   The only way that could be what the media write it is remains basically ridiculous.   The fact is 80% of the US population favor a closed Mexican Border with has handlers telling him there is no problem.   Another example is 80% of the people think that voters should provide proof of Identity - the Biden regime and the media present a different position.  

Another example is what happened in the Italian Election.   Everyone standing up against open borders and family life is regarded as being a Fascist.    The Italian people were even threatened by the EU of action against Italy if they vote for the center-right parties.   The EU threats did not help the leftists and they lost the election.

My point is the mainstream story you dreamed up had nothing to do with real people thinking  on issues and everything to brainwashing of people in accordance with the Goering Principle, - if you repeat lies often enough - people in the end will believe it is the truth.   The media lies overwhelmed you.


Jan 03, 2023, 01:32

How many Companies do Trump own?

Jan 03, 2023, 01:34

How many companies does he own that make a profit... that is the question? 
Someone could own a million companies that make a loss for tax purposes, what is the point of that? Shell companies to absorb costs, not real companies with a future.

 Do you see someone like Elon Musk being involved in constant bankruptcies?

Jan 03, 2023, 01:36

DumbMike, so if someone is liberal that means they do not have family values... Utter nonsense. Or that they want open borders?

I don't want third-world people taken into the West that are uneducated and then have dozens of kids to be a drain on the social welfare system that is dependent on my tax contributions.

I also don't want refugees from Arab countries that do not respect or share my liberal values. Let them stay where they are.

The 2 grips I have with left and right-wing politicians are:

1. Right Wing governments promote low tax- but only for the richest.
They want to reduce public services, but they don't reduce tax for all of the people paying tax. (Not a Democratic agenda). 
If public services are reduced, then VAT/income tax should be reduced accordingly. 

2. Left-wing governments allow people who do not share their liberal values into their countries. Most people don't want third-world refugees, so the politicians are not following a Democratic agenda here. They need to follow the will of the people, not some idealistic crusade. 

Jan 03, 2023, 07:11

". . . brainwashing of people in accordance with the Goering Principle"

Ou Maaik demonstrating his knowledge of history again. He has Hermann Goering as Hitler's Minister of Propaganda.


Jan 03, 2023, 12:12


What do you think the  leftists in the USA and the EU are trying to do on WEF instruction?   They are determined to teach children in school to hate their parents and admire their teachers and the Government.  They promote the Woke Culture  and enciourage destruction of history and Culture.  They also promote open border policies and even threaten the Italian population not to vote for the Parties opposed to the idea of open borders.   They promote homosexuality and encourage children to undergo sex change operations.   They are doing their best to reduce agricultural production and spread the idea for people eating insects instead.  They hate meet eating and try to get it abolished.

They hate religion and try to be dictatorial in that regard.   That is just part of the message spread by the media you admire.   The ultra-rich are part of the WEF that in liaison with China are endeavoring to establish a world dictatorship and openly say what their intentions are.   Many so-called democratic leaders are playing along with them.  Others like Biden has no choice they have proof of his corruption and has them on a short lease.   

You may not think you support the above - yet you are what they call a "useful idiot" that promote their ideas without realizing what is going on.    Why do you think the ultra-rich and Washington Establishment hate Trump so much?   He represented opposition to the ultra-rich programs and the Washington establishment.   They have spread endless lies about him and you fell for every one of those.

By the way Trump is still valued as a billionaire and he is involved in 256 companies.   Some of those may become unprofitable - if you know anything about business operation you would understand that that type of thing is normal and has happened to most rich entrepreneurs.  Trump has been more successful then most bar the ultra-rich.  Ask Mozart about that type of thing. 


A referred to Goebbels because the ultra-rich controlled media  use the Goebbels method to indoctrinate idiots like you.   After four years of lies you still believe in the lies concoted by the Democrats about Russian Collusion.   Four years of millions of lies and youa re still to stupid to understad how they influence idiots like you.   


Jan 03, 2023, 12:52

Goering and Goebbels are different people you blithering idiot 

Jan 03, 2023, 13:11

Wow, Mike makes a slight error and the vultures and hyenas pounces...majoring in minors as usual.

Jan 03, 2023, 14:59


Sorry about the problem - you knew exactly what is the case.

You claim you are against Open Borders and against other issues raised by me  - yet you promote the interest of the exact people supporting it.   You also support the people trying to destroy family values.       

So what you say you think is not in line with what you do.    You support the exact people that promote the policies I listed above.       

You have no idea what the terms centrist in politics mean and you are told by the media owners (the ultra-rich) that any opponent to their potato President is an ultra-rightist and Facscist and you are stupid enough to believe it.   

Anybody supporting the present methods of the ultra-rich are not leftist they are supporting Fascism and hate Democracy.  They are good at calling opponents names like "domestic terrorists" -  but in any normal society the ultra-rich should be punished as to their support of Traitors.                 

Jan 03, 2023, 15:23

Ou Maaik, if I'm brainwashed then I don't know what to call you . . . because "brainscoured" doesn't do justice to the mental picture I have of your primitive drool-powered brain processes.

You are too stupid to fully comprehend just how staggeringly stupid you really are.

I mean that in the nicest possble way. Happy 2023 to you.

Jan 03, 2023, 15:52

@DumbMike. We are fazing out religion in the 21st century. We don't want to base our values and ethics on this backward system. The younger people are, the less religious they are.

The Koran is Version 1 of the Bible. (They also have Adam and Eve, Moses, David, Noah etc, etc). It is amazing how much Christians and Muslims hate each other when they share the same book and God. Although both these religions have their own civil wars going on. (E.g Christians hate Catholics who are also Christians, and Catholics hate Protestants who are also Christians).

 Family values, you mean redneck family values? 

At this rate, religion will be gone by 2050, if not before then. 

In the meantime, our plan is to convert the remaining religious people into transvestites or black people with a new vaccine. Watch this space...

Jan 03, 2023, 16:56

Hahaha…now that last sentence is funny.

Jan 03, 2023, 17:12

Family values is what is under attack by the Fascists you support.   They want to destroy religion so that people would support only them.   Religion is not really an issue - and at present time it has little impact on politics.    You believe in children being taught in schools that they must hate their parents - a Stalinist Model - and the children are told to betray their parents if they even mention something adverse to the Fascists you support.   

That is indeed funny Mozart - but the problem is some really ignorant brainwashed idiots are serious when they write that type of BS which they believe should happen.                

Jan 03, 2023, 17:12

Family values is what is under attack by the Fascists you support.   They want to destroy religion so that people would support only them.   Religion is not really an issue - and at present time it has little impact on politics.    You believe in children being taught in schools that they must hate their parents - a Stalinist Model - and the children are told to betray their parents if they even mention something adverse to the Fascists you support.   

That is indeed funny Mozart - but the problem is some really ignorant brainwashed idiots are serious when they write that type of BS which they believe should happen.                

Jan 03, 2023, 17:24

Oh dear, ou Maaik is still duplicating everything as his puny brain can't prevent him from hitting the submit button until he sees his post showing.

Ou Maaik, on the tiny chance that it might help, please click here and then scroll down to your name and read what it says. Get someone with a double digit IQ to help you if you can't cope. Good luck!

Jan 03, 2023, 17:24

Perhaps, but I think Shark might have been pulling your leg when he posted that.

Jan 03, 2023, 18:25

In the meantime, our plan is to convert the remaining religious people into transvestites or black people with a new vaccine. Watch this space...

Well there must have been another lab leak because the first one is progressing splendidly.

Jan 03, 2023, 20:04

JUMP Sharkie.

Jan 03, 2023, 23:05


One can never be sure about a lunatic like SB.   His ideas are so stupid - he might mean this as a joke - but he does not know the difference between his zero intelligence and a joke and with his ideas  one can never know.     

Jan 04, 2023, 00:22


Jan 04, 2023, 10:21

The Koran is Version 1 of the Bible. (They also have Adam and Eve, Moses, David, Noah etc, etc).

Christianity precedes Islam by about 6 Centuries.

Jan 04, 2023, 11:37

Let's just agree that both religions have a big book that makes them believe with absolute certainty that they are right and everyone else is wrong.

Jan 04, 2023, 11:47

Draad, in case you dont, realise this - the old testament predates Christianity. BC is before Christ, which is the old testament. 

The Garden of Eden is said to have been in Iraq. Babylon is in Iraq etc. etc

Do you actually think Irak etc had no religion before Muslim, or that anyone had no religion before Christianity. 

Jan 04, 2023, 13:37

Still doesn't make the Koran the 1st version of the Bible...

Jan 04, 2023, 14:00

The facts are the stories of the old testament are about Arabs, people from the Middle East. You are worshipping an Arab God, an Iraq God or whatever you want to call it. 

Religions have come and gone over the years, usually through military conquest. Some of the stories were kept and some were changed or replaced. 

Christianity has stolen these ancient texts and renamed the people to sound more Western.
In movies or artistic depictions, people are made to look white. During Apartheid South Africa, Jesus was actually a white person etc, etc. The Bible is based on stories about Arabs, particularly the old testament. 

Any sensible person can see it was once the same book, or the same subset of stories.
For example, the story of Cane and Abel explains the primitive ideology well, having 2 sides - one is good and the other is evil.

The problem is each side thinks they are Abel, and the other side is Cane. Hence why the Middle East has always been at war. Hence why Christianity "was" at war with other religions. 

For a more enlightened take on religion, check out the Polytheism religions which have traditionally been less driven by war, unlike their monolithic Monotheistic counterparts. They use a more relative truth, a Democratic truth. 

Followers of monolithic Monotheistic religions are just not Democratic in nature. The reason they are increasingly unhappy, is they are becoming the declining marginalised minority -it was not so bad when they were the majority. 
This is why some of them actually support Putin etc, he has become Abel. 

Jan 04, 2023, 14:57

"Followers of monolithic religions are just not Democratic in nature. "

I assume you mean monotheistic . . . I'm  not aware of any religion involving monoliths.

You're 100% right about the Arab god that all these christians worship. There's no denying the geographic origins of the "holy" books. It all happened in the Middle East with Arab people. Allah or God, it's based on the same Arabian myth.

Jan 04, 2023, 15:07

Correct, typo. Monotheistic:). now updated

Jan 04, 2023, 15:10


Jan 04, 2023, 18:32

All people from the Middle East aren't Arabs...Hebrews and Persians aren't Arabs...but that's not relevant anyway. Christianity is not about race or ethnicity. It's the religion of peace, historically currently exploited for nefarious purposes. It's about service to your neighbour, forgiveness and turning the other cheek...difficult to do right...the narrow path.

Jan 04, 2023, 18:51

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Jan 04, 2023, 18:56

Ja, that's what they say, but they don't practise what they preach. Compare the example Jesus set vs the example Mohammed set...

Any warmongering Christian is not doing what the gospel is requiring of I said, difficult to do right.

Jan 04, 2023, 19:40

You have just displayed typical religious racism. I knew you would do that...
Can you say anything positive about other religions? 

I at least admit that polytheistic religions are "ok".
On the other hand, you will say only Christianity is the right religion. God's master race...

Monotheistic religions want to convert everyone to their own religion. The "one true God"....

As Richard Dawkins says "Religious people are 99.9% Atheists". The reject all religions except their own. If they were born in a different place, you would accept that religion as the gospel. Unthinking sheeple...

Jan 04, 2023, 21:01

Does Islam teach turning the other cheek? Did Jesus turn the other cheek? And Mohammed...?

I'm not trying to convince made an ignorant statement which I corrected and you've been moving the goalposts ever can't admit when you blunder and then you have the gall to lecture Uncle Clever.

Jan 04, 2023, 21:20

I didn't make a mistake, you did. I pointed out that Christianity was created after Christ. I used facts to prove this, and once again you used beliefs. 

The Jews stole the religion from Irak (Arabs) and the West stole it from the Jews. 

Jan 04, 2023, 21:47

No, you said the Koran was version 1 of the Bible...I said Christianity preceded Islam by half a millenia...inferring that the Bible preceded the if you said Zoroastrianism preceded Christianity,  you would have been closer to the money.

Jan 04, 2023, 22:16

It is pointless pointing out the obvious.

The Koran is just another name for a more ancient text. 
It is unlikely that Adam or Eve could write (not that they actually existed, evolution has disproven that). However, for the purposes of this exercise - lets assume they could not write, it is then folklore that is passed from generation before writing arrived. 

As I stated before, "

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Jan 04, 2023, 14:00

Religions have come and gone over the years, usually through military conquest. Some of the stories were kept and some were changed or replaced. 

Jan 04, 2023, 22:37

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Jan 05, 2023, 00:18

Ja, I know all that...Mohammed put a new spin on the existing religion of the day...Jesus expanded and refined Judaism...the Roman Empire swallowed up Christianity, politics corrupted itntil Martin Luther's rebellion a d the society,  religion also evolves,  but we choose to believe that it still contains some universal truths...and yet another thread turned into a Christian bashing frenzy...and you have the audacity to call Christians Bible Bashers.

Jan 11, 2023, 15:16

Weiselberg(sic), former Trump Organisation Chief Financial officer pleaded guilty to tax fraud and has now been sentenced to 5 months in the high-rated accommodation, Riker Island Prison. 

Apparently, he could have gotten up to 20 years, if he had not been such a cooperative witness by testifying against the Trump organisation. (e.g. that it was not just him who benefited from tax fraud).

And the Trumpanzees tell us Trump is not a tax fraud... He is the most successful businessman in the world with hundreds of "shell companies" that make no profit - so he can rack up massive debt and steal the tax of hard-working people. The shell companies are then killed and they are replaced by new shell companies. (Tricks of the trade passed from one Trump generation to the next). 

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Jan 11, 2023, 21:46


TYou write so much  shit that one cannot answer you on anything that may be logical.   Youw rote that the Koran ws written before the start of Chistianity.    The fact is that people talk about the Abrahamic Treaty between the Arab countries and Israel - an ag rement signed af ter negotiations initiated by Trump in an effort to stabilize the ME situation.   Unfortunately Biden sabotaged the agreement.

Why did I refer to that Treaty - it referred to what the situation ws through the last 2 000 years,   The Jewish religion was predominant in the middle east at the time Christ was borne and Christianity was an off-shoot of the Jewish religion and since the Roman destruction of Jerusalem in 72 AD the Christian religion took over in most of the Arab area and North Africa.   The Koran was written by Muhammad who lived from 570 t0 632 AD.   In the Kuran he laid dwn to religious rules based on mostly the Jewish religion and incorporates elements of Christianity.   In essence the Muslim religion is an extremist religion that was cruel to any opposing views and the judicial practices embodied n it is very harsh.  So your comments are BS.

I have one wauestion for you is if Trump is such a poor person with failing companies - how come he is still a billionaire?    The media spread shit and you are over-eager to swallow it - that is the only explanation one can find for your long strings of shit you quoted above and numerous other BS spreading in other threads.-           

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