Following Trump’s first official phone call with Putin on February 12, the US president announced two high-level meetings to discuss ending the war. The first is set for February 14 at the Munich Security Conference, and another will take place next week in Saudi Arabia.
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Your article is 45 days out of date…..which makes your heading highly misleading and makes a laughing stock of this site. Please correct.
Denny
Trump is known for his oposition to warmongering and he will not send ground troops to Ukraine made any circumstances, Trump support less-risk bombing and missile attacks on places where terrorist leadership are pesent.
Trump is a top negotiator - he obviously told Putin what he thinks of settlement of he Ukraine issue, Putn knows by now that Tump - if he says somthing - he would execute it. So I wrote elsewhere - he is likely to force Russia tp make concessions - but at present both the media and the public knows anything further about the jedda meeting. - which is now in its fourth day and no official; announcement has been made and will take the form of similar comments by the three cenral people involved - Trump, Putin and Zelenskyy and after Trump briefs Starmer and Macron as to what was decide dupon. on what was agreed upon.
If there was no progress in the negotiation process the Jedda meeting would have ended already. My guess is that the Ceasefire ad Peace deals may be announced simultaneously before the end of next week.
Do It.
Again
Have the decency to correct your heading…..this will continue until you show some integrity,
America look like they are about to drop their support for Ukraine.
The way things are going, Trump/Vance will be on Putin's side before the end of the year.
The rare earth deal (+ any natural assets) looks like it is toast. Apparently Trump keeps changing the deal. It looks more like he is trying to colonise Ukraine than helping them get a financial deal for repayment
There was an assumption that Trump had an understanding with Putin on the Ukraine, that’s seeming less and less likely. Putin is negotiating for his political future and legacy.
As for Zelensky’s comment about Trump changing the deal…probably true. But once again a petulant comment, he’s not helping the Ukraine by making an enemy of Trump..
Europe may get the outcome they have been celebrating in concept….supporting Ukraine on their own budget.
While some sort of temporary ceasefire is still possible, the most likely outcome is no long term peace deal. America will try push a deal that's too favorable to Russia and Ukraine can't accept, so they will end up walking away with Europe's support. Both Zelensky and the European leaders are simply giving the American-Russian negotiations lip service and stalling for time while they come up with their own plan.
We'll see...Stav...it seems you're still eager for the deal to fail...
No I was simply never in favor of Ukraine being coerced into accepting a bad deal that may ultimately lead to the end of their state and that compromises European security.
"No I was simply never in favor of Ukraine being coerced into accepting a bad deal that may ultimately lead to the end of their state and that compromises European security."
Your bias is leading you to believe that's going to be the case...be a bit more positive.
Look this deal is all about Putin’s ego….Trump is playing that up. The better Putin looks the better the deal that could be achieved. But the press stupidly turns that into a Trump wanting to favor Putin in the deal.
That said, the more Zelensky pisses him off, being the man he is, the more he will favor Russia.
The Ukranians can’t fight on much longer, courage isn’t enough. Will Europe provide troops to supplement their dwindling resources? And if they do will Russia escalate and is that a risk the world should be taking, Is that really in the interests of the suffering Ukranian people or just fighting for an 80 year old principle that probably doesn’t apply in a nuclear world.
Cutting the best deal, arming NATO countries to the teeth and letting age take care of Putin is probably the smart move.
Europe doesn't do smart...
Well now they're are up against Russia & a, 'we don't give a fck' US
they need to be very smart.
Putin & Trump se moer.
Your bias is leading you to believe that's going to be the case...be a bit more positive.
No my eyes and ears are leading me to believe that. There is such a thing as objective reality. And I am positive.
Look this deal is all about Putin’s ego….Trump is playing that up. The better Putin looks the better the deal that could be achieved. But the press stupidly turns that into a Trump wanting to favor Putin in the deal.
You couldn't get a dumber take of the situation if you tried. This deal is all about Trump wanting a peace deal, not because he gives two figs for Ukraine or its people but because he frequently promised he could end the conflict easily and quickly in the run up to the election and even claimed the war would never had happened had he been President in 2022 and if he doesn't get it he thinks it will make him look bad. He also wants it because he's after the Noble Peace Prize because Obama won one and that rankles him no end.
Trump absolutely hates Zelensky and has done so since that "perfect phone call" lead to his first impeachment. He's also probably envious of Zelensky stature on the world stage. He also has clear disdain for Europe. Conversely he admires strongman Putin.
To Trump the easiest way of ending the conflict is to simply give Putin what he wants. All Trump wants is to be able to say he got a peace deal and doesn't care about the details. He can then go back to his supporters and say "look I told you I can end the war" and no matter how much of a dog turd the deal is his base will just lap it up because lets call a spade a spade they are absolute morons.
Problem is for Trump is that expected he could just bully Zelensky and Ukraine into submission while Europe meekly sat by and shrugged. However he appears to have underestimated the resolve of all the above.
I suspect he will go back to blaming Zelensky shortly, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if the new terms of the mineral deal were deliberately set as to ensure Ukraine rejects them so he has an excuse to do so.
That said, the more Zelensky pisses him off, being the man he is, the more he will favor Russia.
Trump is impossible not to piss off, he is pathetically thinned skinned. The Oval Office bust up was a set up.
The Ukranians can’t fight on much longer, courage isn’t enough. Will Europe provide troops to supplement their dwindling resources? And if they do will Russia escalate and is that a risk the world should be taking, Is that really in the interests of the suffering Ukranian people or just fighting for an 80 year old principle that probably doesn’t apply in a nuclear world.
Ah yes, the narrative of Ukraine can't fight on much longer. The Trump backers mindlessly say this so it makes selling so many concessions to the Russian's as necessary. But it has no basis in reality.
Europe doesn't need to provide troops in a front line combat role, but it will likely provide support troops away from the front and air protection operating from neighboring countries.
Russia doesn't have the mean's to escalate. Its conventional capability is maxed out. It can probably cut a few undersea communication cables and burn down some random IKEA's around Europe. Yes Europe will need to decide on how to respond if Putin targets European forces in Ukraine, but I suspect their responses will be somewhat restrained. But hey if your so worried about escalation maybe the US shouldn't be forcing the issue by giving Europe no alternative.
As for the suffering of the Ukrainian people its clear no one wants the war to end more than the Ukrainian's themselves but its also clear the majority of Ukrainian's would rather fight on than accept a bad deal that jeopardizes Ukrainian statehood. They feel they have no choice.
Cutting the best deal, arming NATO countries to the teeth and letting age take care of Putin is probably the smart move.
Giving Putin everything he wants is not a good deal, that's called surrendering. Why do assume Putin's successor will be any better.
Europe doesn't do smart...
As opposed to those geniuses with their emoji's in that leaked Signal chat group? ROFL.
Ah the Irish stalwart telling everybody to resist…what like the Irish did in WW2? The Russian and the Ukranian people are tired of the war and favor compromise. All you dish up are a series of warmed up press opinions with no sense of what real people want. Here, read and learn:
https://www.eurasiantimes.com/latest-poll-shows-russia-76-of-russians-would-support-putins-plan/
Bollocks, the Irish had been fighting the English for over 600 years ................. would SA been involved if we'd a Nat government?
4 February 1939
The Ossewabrandwag (OB as it came to be known, meaning Oxwagon Sentinal) was founded as an Afrikaans nationalist organisation in Bloemfontein, under leadership of Colonel J.C.C. Laas. The OB was evidence of the surging Afrikaner Nationalism in the centenary year of the Great trek (1938) and the reaction against the coalition between the National Party (NP) and the South African Party (SAP) during 1930s. The movement was strongly republican-minded. When the Second World War (WWII) broke out in 1939, the OB opposed South Africa's involvement on the side of the Allies. They felt that Germany was not an enemy of South Africa, while they still remembered that Britain had invaded the Republics during the Second Anglo-Boer War. In that war Germany had actually supported the Boers morally. In fact, many Afrikaners felt a kinship with the Germans because of blood ties. Laas was succeeded in December 1940 by Dr J.F.J. (Hans) van Rensburg. Besides the OB and associated with it by a common commanding officer in the person of the Commandant-General, a more radical group, the Stormjaers (Storm Troops), developed. They were responsible for acts of sabotage in South Africa during the war. After WWII the OB gradually faded from the political scene, as the majority members realised that the only effective means of achieving the republican ideal would be through the political party system.
I do not know where Denny got extract from and what relevance it has to the Ukraine situation. What happened waas in fact that the UP Government treated returning soldiers from the war like shiot and they and he farmers who were looted by the UP tuned the political scene against the UP in 1948 and that was the real reason why the 1948 elections were won by the National Party, In a broader sense that sentiment had some very srong reaction opposed by reasonable people and causing the apartheid regime strategies such as apartheid policies opposed by most people in the Western and Southern Cape area - but they were overruled by the majoities in teh then Transval and Orange Free state majorities, Change only started to happen in 1981 that ended up in Goverment take-over in 1994 by the ANC with the support of 85% of the voters who wanted to support change,
I can emeber a classical comment of my mother in 1994. She asked me what was happening in Durban the day Mandela and the ANC took over power and I told there was no violence only people celebating in the streets and he comment was "we would have done the same". Like in pressent day Democratic Party in the USA victory soon turned into criminality and malgovernance which resulted in the Coloreds, Indians and Whites and substntial number of Blacks uniting in the Democratic Alliance gaining enoughs upport to firce the ANC ibnto a coaliton Government. There is one unifying the local situation in the USA are against Government corruption like is ogoing in both the USA and in SA.
So the real situation in SA can be compared to the criminal orientated Democratic Party in the USA where the Ukraine War is a source of major looting by Democratic Party politicians and operatives, The latter is the real reason for the loss of the 2024 election by the Democratic Party and for the ANC to be forced into a coalition Government with the opposing parties. Careful analysis imdiates that in SA most Black voters decided not to vote in the 2024 election - a bad sign for he ANC - since the vast majority of Blacks feel they are now worse off than they were in 1994.
The above is the only facts that is at present relevant in 2025 and the fact is that once the war in Ukraine is stoipped
looting of the US financial system making the Ukraine War the most corrupt war the USA was ever invovled in to end and that is part of the reason why Trump wants to end that farce killing millions of people in Ukraine.
Ah the Irish stalwart telling everybody to resist…what like the Irish did in WW2? The Russian and the Ukranian people are tired of the war and favor compromise. All you dish up are a series of warmed up press opinions with no sense of what real people want. Here, read and learn:
You can always tell when I've humiliated Moz and he has no counter argument to make when he plays whatboutism over Irish neutrality or its tax policies.
https://www.eurasiantimes.com/latest-poll-shows-russia-76-of-russians-would-support-putins-plan/
As of this month (March), though half of Ukrainians—50%—believe that Ukraine should never give up territories, even if this makes the war last longer (in December 2024, it was 51%), the number of those willing to make concessions has gone up to 39% (in December 2024 – 38%). The remaining 11% of respondents could not decide on their opinion, according to KISS.
The important point to note here is that the number of those who do not want any territorial compromise is slowly and steadily declining in Ukraine.
As the article you linked too article points out, more Ukrainian's are still against making territorial concessions than for it. But of the 39% who would be willing to make territorial concessions, they are not asked what they would expect Ukraine to get in return. How many of those people would be willing to gave up territory without ironclad security guarantees. The poll also doesn't ask the question what if Ukraine has to make additional concessions in addition to territorial ones. How would Ukranian's feel about handing over all their natural resources to the American's in exchange for zero security guarantees etc. Ukraine is in favor of peace, but not any price. Why do you think they have fought for the last 3 years.
Bollocks, the Irish had been fighting the English for over 600 years
Well it was more like 800 years, but I'm not going split hairs.
It's always hilarious watching Stav try to dress his biased opinions up as fact.
By the sounds of things, old Stav is great mates with the Don because he appears to know everything about him and how he thinks.
Gosh, Stav, you're wasted in that Irish IT job. The Dems would have paid big money for somebody like you, who can read The Don's mind from across the pond. They could have anticipated all his moves and not been thrashed within an inch of their lives at the elections.
Shall I contact the Dems and tell them I have a secret Irish weapon for them that will ensure they never lose to The Don again?
PS, I'll only take 5% because a small piece of the unlimited amount of money they would be willing to pay for you're esoteric knowledge of Trump, is still a large sum.
You'll be able to buy a yacht bigger than Connor's.
Plum its not actually hard to know what Donald Trump is about, you just (A) need to be outside the cult (B) not be an idiot. But then again I suppose its harder than just being programmed to say Trump Derangement Syndrome and Orange man bad over and over.
Haha more "facts", Stav?
C. Go to your left wing sources to get your ‘truth bombs’.
But let’s see, I say the best deal can be obtained by making Putin look good which I think is Trump’s tactic. Your response….Orange Man Bad.
I say the more Zelensky pisses him off, the worse for the Ukraine. Your response….Orange Man Bad.
I say cutting the best deal available ….you say giving Putin everything he wants. Twisting words
You say the Majority of Ukranians want to fight on rather than accepting a bad deal. Gallup says…..
Gallup Poll (August–October 2024): 52% of Ukrainians favored negotiating an end to the war as soon as possible, while 38% believed the country should continue fighting until victory
You say the Russians are tapped out….but when I say the Ukranians are tapped out it’s the ‘narrative of the Ukraine can’t fight on much longer’. Ignoring the fact that those who want peace negotiations has increased dramatically.
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Easy arguments to make….the Ukranians should go on fighting to save Europe and the real objective, expose the Orange Man. Easy arguments to make when being brave was blowing up old men in motor boats and killing horses in Hyde Park.
I see Hysteria still doesn’t have the integrity to correct his headline. So unwilling to be corrected he prefers a misleading headline to remain uncorrected. Left wing ethics.
Haha more "facts", Stav?
You wouldn't facts if they bit you on the arse.
But let’s see, I say the best deal can be obtained by making Putin look good which I think is Trump’s tactic. Your response….Orange Man Bad.
You think its Trump tactic because its allows you to deny reality.
I say the more Zelensky pisses him off, the worse for the Ukraine. Your response….Orange Man Bad.
Trump already hates Zekensky. He's deliberately looking to take offense from him. He wants Zelensky gone. Will it be harder for Ukraine without American support, absolutely. But Zelenksy cannot allow Ukraines future to be jeopardize to simply appease the orangutan spotting Russian talking points in the oval office.
I say cutting the best deal available ….you say giving Putin everything he wants. Twisting words
No twisting of words, an accurate description of reality.
You say the Majority of Ukranians want to fight on rather than accepting a bad deal. Gallup says…..
Gallup Poll (August–October 2024): 52% of Ukrainians favored negotiating an end to the war as soon as possible, while 38% believed the country should continue fighting until victory
The Gallup poll doesn't contradict me because it doesn't put forward what conditions Ukrainian's would be willing to accept to end the war as soon as possible. Surrendering would end the war as soon as possible, do you think Ukrainian's would accept that?
You say the Russians are tapped out….but when I say the Ukranians are tapped out it’s the ‘narrative of the Ukraine can’t fight on much longer’. Ignoring the fact that those who want peace negotiations has increased dramatically.
I never said the Russian's were tapped out. Russia has certain advantages still and certain constraints, but its not in a imminent position of winning the war on the battlefield.
I'm not ignoring the fact that more people want peace, You're the one ignoring that the terms of any such peace deal are of critical importance.
Easy arguments to make….the Ukranians should go on fighting to save Europe and the real objective, expose the Orange Man. Easy arguments to make when being brave was blowing up old men in motor boats and killing horses in Hyde Park.
I'm not the one making the easy argument. The terms of the peace deal are of critical importance. Ukraine are not going to sign up to deal that could mean the end of their country a few months or a year or two down the line.
LOL and more pathetic whataboutism. Shouldn't you lot be out exterminating the native Americans?
Misrepresentation, covered up by word choices. You say:
As for the suffering of the Ukrainian people its clear no one wants the war to end more than the Ukrainian's themselves but its also clear the majority of Ukrainian's would rather fight on than accept a bad deal that jeopardizes Ukrainian statehood. They feel they have no choice.
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In fact the majority of the Ukranians want peace negotiations:
Gallup Poll (August–October 2024): 52% of Ukrainians favored negotiating an end to the war as soon as possible, while 38% believed the country should continue fighting until victory. ?
And you omit any references to the massive increase in this view:
May 2022 (Kyiv International Institute of Sociology - KIIS poll): About 82% of Ukrainians believed the war should continue until full territorial integrity was restored, with only 10% favoring negotiations.
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There is a contradiction in the numbers in that 58% still appear to be against any territorial concessions…so what constitutes an acceptable agreement is murky. But only 38% want to fight on to achieve victory.
Those numbers are justification for negotiations…..the difficulty comes if a peace can be achieved that solves geo political considerations, but doesn’t get full majority support in the Ukraine….do we then encourage them to continue sending their young men to the charnel house.
Here’s another trend to put in your pipe:
These figures represent a marked change from earlier in the conflict. In 2022, shortly after the full-scale invasion, 73% of Ukrainians preferred to fight until victory. By 2023, this number had decreased to 63%, and by 2024, it further declined to 38%.
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And I have no family connection to the US in the 19th century, perhaps some of your Irish emigrants were involved in those massacres? But my father went to fight in WW2 at age 17 and my uncles were not much older. My wife’s father spent 3 years in a German Concentration camp. How about your’s.
"My wife’s father spent 3 years in a German Concentration camp. "
What was he? The kamp kommandant or just one of the guards?
A South African lad captured first by the Italians who then escaped. He was recaptured taking two bullets, by a German patrol and spent three years in deprivation.
Once again you and the scum who liked your comment show you have no class.
In fact the majority of the Ukranians want peace negotiations:
Gallup Poll (August–October 2024): 52% of Ukrainians favored negotiating an end to the war as soon as possible, while 38% believed the country should continue fighting until victory. ?
And you omit any references to the massive increase in this view:
No where did I deny Ukrainian's weren't in favor or negotiations. What you refuse to acknowledge is that Ukraine has red lines. It wants peace but not at the cost of losing its sovereignty.
There is a contradiction in the numbers in that 58% still appear to be against any territorial concessions…so what constitutes an acceptable agreement is murky. But only 38% want to fight on to achieve victory.
Its not murky. They have stated that they are willing to accept territorial concessions (which is a massive concession) in exchange for ironclad security guarantees. There is no such sign of anything like being given by the American's who appear to be unwilling to provide even a backstop role to the Europeans who are offering to do most of the heavy lifting.
Ukraine will also not accept forced demobilization, limits on the size of the army, the end of aid into Ukraine, nor will it accept any terms that block its future entry into the EU.
Those numbers are justification for negotiations…..the difficulty comes if a peace can be achieved that solves geo political considerations, but doesn’t get full majority support in the Ukraine….do we then encourage them to continue sending their young men to the charnel house.
Ukraine has always being willing to negotiate, its Putin that never has been. So far Trump negotiating tract does anything but solve geo political considerations, it does the exact opposite. And again you spout Russian talking points, encouraging young men to the charnel house, bollock's you insult Ukraine's own agency in whether it chooses to fight or not.
Here’s another trend to put in your pipe:
These figures represent a marked change from earlier in the conflict. In 2022, shortly after the full-scale invasion, 73% of Ukrainians preferred to fight until victory. By 2023, this number had decreased to 63%, and by 2024, it further declined to 38%.
Again, this tells you absolutely nothing about what Ukraine is willing to accept in exchange for that peace.
And I have no family connection to the US in the 19th century, perhaps some of your Irish emigrants were involved in those massacres? But my father went to fight in WW2 at age 17 and my uncles were not much older. My wife’s father spent 3 years in a German Concentration camp. How about your’s.
Pity your father and uncle aren't still alive, they might be able to explain to you the dangers of appeasing authoritarians. My great grand father went to fight in World War I also age 17, was wounded at the Somme and twice decorated.
Actually I rather suspect most soldiers would bemoan the futility of war….not the need to continue fighting and slaughtering young men to satisfy politicians or 80 year old principles.
Ukraine was right to fight when invaded, otherwise their country was lost. Now they are in a 3 year battle with dwindling resources. They have saved much of their country and from the West’s standpoint, demonstrated the limits of Russian military power….good results.
But if the fighting continues the risk of a major collapse is more likely. They could still lose it all. No peace deal will ever guarantee Russia won’t resume aggression 5 years from now. But the best bet for that is a deal which has benefits the Russians perceive as sufficient.
Anything short of that invites a Treaty of Versailles type reversal. A ‘tough’ treaty can have exactly the opposite effect to that intended. So the European politicians channeling the danger of appeasement, should dig a little deeper into their history to Versailles and learn the dangers of humiliation which created the preconditions for WW2.
Ukraine’s best bet is an American deal with Putin that doesn’t humiliate Russia and which is good enough for Zelensky’s to sell to the Ukrainian people.
The fact is that most of the above is based on media stories and not related to what the meeting in Jedda is in fact dealing with. I thought of responding to BS spreading on site by some members I just ones toa dd to sea what comes out of the Jedda meeting which no seems todeal with Ukraibne issues - as well as the ME s well as security issues worldwide and nt only Europe. Most of those issues could affect Ukraine 0but oter sisues are a;so important,
If there as no progress on issues the meeting would have eded - bit it is ongoing, So wait until the outcomes having been anounced before spiling BS on site,
Actually I rather suspect most soldiers would bemoan the futility of war….not the need to continue fighting and slaughtering young men to satisfy politicians or 80 year old principles.
Again that's an insult to Ukrainian soldiers fighting, they are fighting for their survival and Ukraines right to exist as a free nation, not to satisfy politicians or an old principal.
https://kyivindependent.com/we-asked-ukrainian-soldiers-if-theyd-fight-russia-with-their-bare-hands/
Ukraine was right to fight when invaded, otherwise their country was lost. Now they are in a 3 year battle with dwindling resources. They have saved much of their country and from the West’s standpoint, demonstrated the limits of Russian military power….good results.
But if the fighting continues the risk of a major collapse is more likely. They could still lose it all. No peace deal will ever guarantee Russia won’t resume aggression 5 years from now. But the best bet for that is a deal which has benefits the Russians perceive as sufficient.
You simply are not getting it. There is nothing the Russian's will perceive as sufficient except the end of Ukraine as a sovereign state outside of direct Russian control. Russia will keep coming back until its made to stop. The only thing the Russian's respect is force.
Anything short of that invites a Treaty of Versailles type reversal. A ‘tough’ treaty can have exactly the opposite effect to that intended. So the European politicians channeling the danger of appeasement, should dig a little deeper into their history to Versailles and learn the dangers of humiliation which created the preconditions for WW2.
How exactly is Europe trying to humiliate Russia exactly... is it by simply not agreeing to giving Putin everything he wants?
Ukraine’s best bet is an American deal with Putin that doesn’t humiliate Russia and which is good enough for Zelensky’s to sell to the Ukrainian people.
The American's are are no where close to a deal that Zelensky can sell to his people. An extortionate resource and mineral deal with no security guarantees...how is going to sell that to his people?
Stav I agree with most of your above comments but if I can add a few.
I don't believe for a moment that Putin was ever interested in a peace deal, he's ego won't allow for it and nothing short of wiping Zelensky and Ukraine would satisfy him.
Trump dislikes Zelensky and the only interest he has in a peace deal is to get his hands on Ukraine's rare earth minerals.
Under Trump's peace deal Ukraine would end up with nothing.
Putin even at this stage shows no interest in making any concessions and/or to act with sincerity. He's kinda saying it's you who wants peace not me but I'll have it on my terms.....meaning Ukraine is left shackled, stripped of weapons and economically ruined.
Your calculus is things will be sufficiently better for the Ukraine at some point in future, to justify the continued physical destruction of their country and the deaths of young soldiers and civilians. I don’t believe that, especially without American support. This may be the last chance to achieve a peace without a surrender. Time will tell.
The fact is that the BS above is not the peace deal - of which nobody knows bugger-all - but by demonizing of Trump and his Government, Trump is the one who tries to stop the war because he does not care about what happens to people of Ukraine and of having a battle in the USA to protect the country where the previous Government were trying foolishly to keep spending money on wasteful, fruitless and corupt basis, Where poliicians were as corrupt as their bureaucratic partners and where the country has to borrow money to keep their party polticians happy, As itis necessary to rebuild the US army that became the laug hing stock opf countries who hate the USA and where energy provision was ruled by ineffective green projects that under-delivers - while insted of supporting nuclear power supply money was spent on importing sun panels from China that prove to be inadequate. Where the Dmocrat politicians encourage internal terrorism to fight to retain the ultra-corrupt policies,
I think some people who claim that they know everything about US Politics and systems at preeent should read the editoriuial of the backbone of the DP - namely the New York Times - but the Headline and contense were given so try the following:-
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/29/opinion/democrats-strategy-2024.html
In any event the fact is thatnothing discussed above had nothing to do with the peace deal - butr everthing to do with the "hate Trump caompaign" of the legacy leftist media, They publish BS instead of real news. Instead of waiting for the utcome of what is negotiated is not known so speculation trying to attck Trump personally is what is being published and idiocy reign supreme. From what is written above everyth ing is twisted to detroy democrcy worldwide in the interest of demonizing Trump. In Ukraine demcoracy has gone out of existence over the past decade - but the US must protect the most corrupt regime in Europe and competes with the Democrats in the USA to destroy the concept of Democracy in the world in using idiotic policies,
My only advice is wait until what is being negotiated is protecting people worldwide and results in for instance saving of astronauts stranded in space due to Government incompetense and corruption. So Trump use top class manages to clean out the USA corruption champions and the Democrats encourage terrorism against any changes necessary to save the US economy from imminent collapse, Amazing BS,
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I don’t believe that, especially without American support.
Zelensky is on a hiding to nothing, his only hope is continued American support and there's a chance that might happen once Trump has decided that Putin is not going to let go of the land that holds Ukraine's rare earth.
Trump doesn't care about Ukraine or Zelensky the only thing he cares about is American interest.
Rare Earth is the future...bigtime. Right now America is at the back of a long queue in comparison to China who is way out in front.
There is a limit to how long Putin can play his game when he runs out of time Trump will have to decide to step in military or ask Nato to step in.
Correct your misleading headline.
Oh shut-up you bore.......correct your typo.
"My wife’s father spent 3 years in a German Concentration camp. "
What was he? The kamp kommandant or just one of the guards?
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Posted by: Mozart (44554 posts)
Mar 29, 2025, 18:35
A South African lad captured first by the Italians who then escaped. He was recaptured taking two bullets, by a German patrol and spent three years in deprivation.
Once again you and the scum who liked your comment show you have no class.
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It was an insensitive joke, but not that bad... 3 likes nogal...Denny, Bob and Rooi?
As a matter of fact I hadn't even read the post until now that you've mentioned it.
But anyway....if you say so.
Stav and the clan want to believe that there is a better outcome possible for Ukraine.
We'd all like for there to be a better outcome but only some of us are realists.
The problem for Stav's crew is that they chucked all their weight behind their emotions. Especially Denise...because hormones.
Unfortunately, reality doesn't care about your emotions or expectations.
You guys backed the wrong strategy. A strategy that saw defence contractors make bazillions and Ukraine ending in a far worse position than they could have been in.
So, just own it and stop trying to save face.
Oh now look what the cat dragged in.....the Suck-up Buttplug.
Turn the lights out guys.
I don't believe for a moment that Putin was ever interested in a peace deal, he's ego won't allow for it and nothing short of wiping Zelensky and Ukraine would satisfy him.
Absolutely Putin was never interested in a peace deal. That's been clear all along. Putin's justifications for the war were bullshit, the Russian terms at the Istanbul negotiations were in effect surrender terms being placed on Ukraine and he's never at any point once dropped his maximalist demands and goals for this war.
Recent events have also embolden him. His whole theory of victory is that this was a war of endurance and will power and that the west was weak, that it didn't have the stomach for the fight and would abandon Ukraine and he's been proven partially right.
He's gone from a position where at best his armies could maybe take the whole of the Donbass in Ukraine after sustaining hundreds of thousands of more causalities over many more months to now maybe being able to take more Ukrainian territory than that due to Ukrainian loosing its single biggest military aid provider and achieving an absolutely massive geo political victory in splitting the NATO alliance with America's defacto withdrawal from it.
The only thing he hasn't factored in is Europe's response. He assumed that without American military backing the Europeans would just accept whatever deal he agreed with Trump on Ukraine as a fait accompli. But Europe appears to have woken up to the danger. Now Europe may end up floundering in its response (though so far its actions have been mostly positive), or Putin may end up with armed juggernaut on his border in a few years that absolutely outmatches the Russian's in every aspect of warfare.
Trump dislikes Zelensky and the only interest he has in a peace deal is to get his hands on Ukraine's rare earth minerals.
Under Trump's peace deal Ukraine would end up with nothing.
Oh yeah Trump hates Zelensky, but his initial reason for pushing for peace in Ukraine while he wasn't President and on the campaign trail was nothing to do with the minerals deal, it was simply a political weapon to attack Biden with. Zelenksy was the one who actually proposed the minerals deal in the first place to Biden who rejected it. But its believed Zelensky never anticipated Biden agreeing too it, he came up with the idea specifically with Trump in mind in case Trump won back the Presidency. Knowing Trump's mercantile nature he saw it as way of giving Trump a financial incentive to keep assisting Ukraine. What Zelensky got wrong is he thought he could get some sort of mutually beneficial agreement with Trump, he didn't anticipate Trump to be so predatory.
Putin even at this stage shows no interest in making any concessions and/or to act with sincerity. He's kinda saying it's you who wants peace not me but I'll have it on my terms.....meaning Ukraine is left shackled, stripped of weapons and economically ruined.
Yeah, I don't believe we are anywhere close to genuine long lasting ceasefire. Putin simply has no interest in it, he still believes he can get more than he already has and with Trump in the White House he's got the wind at his back. Nevertheless he might opt for a temporary ceasefire. A lot of analysts reckon the Russian forces in Ukraine could badly do with some sort of ceasefire that allows them to reorganize and rebuild their strength unmolested.
Your calculus is things will be sufficiently better for the Ukraine at some point in future, to justify the continued physical destruction of their country and the deaths of young soldiers and civilians. I don’t believe that, especially without American support. This may be the last chance to achieve a peace without a surrender. Time will tell.
The calculus is a fairer negotiated settlement could be reached after the Russian's had exhausted themselves and concluded that the costs of continuing the war out weighed the benefits, forcing them to drop some of their demands. Russia does not have infinite resources, it can't just keep taking hundreds of thousands of causalities to capture a few small towns and fields.
Zelensky is on a hiding to nothing, his only hope is continued American support and there's a chance that might happen once Trump has decided that Putin is not going to let go of the land that holds Ukraine's rare earth.
There is a limit to how long Putin can play his game when he runs out of time Trump will have to decide to step in military or ask Nato to step in.
Trump isn't going provide any significant aid to Ukraine or ask NATO to step in. He's effectively taking the American's out of NATO. At best Trump might just walk away like he did in the negotiations with North Korea.
Stav and the clan want to believe that there is a better outcome possible for Ukraine.
We'd all like for there to be a better outcome but only some of us are realists.
The problem for Stav's crew is that they chucked all their weight behind their emotions. Especially Denise...because hormones.
Unfortunately, reality doesn't care about your emotions or expectations.
You guys backed the wrong strategy. A strategy that saw defence contractors make bazillions and Ukraine ending in a far worse position than they could have been in.
So, just own it and stop trying to save face.
LOL, Plum the conspiracy nut talking about realism.
As I've said before, I didn't back Biden's strategy, I would of preferred far more military aid been given to Ukraine and far more quickly with the express goal of enabling Ukraine not just to survive but to actually win and push the Russian's out of Ukraine proper.
Having said that, the previous strategy under Biden at least give Russia no clear path to victory and is miles better than the current shite Trump is serving us up on a plate.
Those of us who have half a brain never wanted Trump anywhere this conflict, as we feared he could well try to sell out the Ukrainian's have been totally vindicated . Trump would of prevented the war?...yeah its pretty clear by now Ukraine would no doubt be almost entirely under Russian control had he been President back in 2022.
Plum is desperately hoping the Ukrainian lines collapse so he come on here and tell us all how right he was. Probably delighted that Trump's action make that more likely. Gotta own the libs.
The calculus is a fairer negotiated settlement could be reached after the Russian's had exhausted themselves and concluded that the costs of continuing the war out weighed the benefits, forcing them to drop some of their demands. Russia does not have infinite resources, it can't just keep taking hundreds of thousands of causalities to capture a few small towns and fields
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And you are willing to bet hundreds of thousands of lives on Russia running out of resources faster than Ukraine.
Plum is desperately hoping the Ukrainian lines collapse so he come on here and tell us all how right he was.
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That tells us more about you, nothing about Plum, a disgraceful comment. You should apologize.
Hysteria your willingness to leave a heading up there which is totally incorrect, as a result of your posting one of your Woke sources 6 weeks after it was originally posted ….demonstrates you are such a weak character, not having to admit you are wrong is more important than your integrity.
And you have the gall to lecture other posters about their their’s.
And you are willing to bet hundreds of thousands of lives on Russia running out of resources faster than Ukraine.
It's not my bet to make, its Ukraine's decision. Having said that I do think there is several good reasons to believe Ukraine can hang in there until Russia's economy implodes and its Soviet equipment stockpiles run out, which we are probably around a year to a year and half away from. I don't think it will cost Ukraine hundreds of thousands of lives from this moment in time, but tens of thousands of lives and possibly 100,000+ causalities and more territory lost although not substantially more than the 0.6% they lost this year. I'd be certain they can get there with both US and European support, I'm less certain they can do so with just European support (it will certainly be more costly)
But so far I don't see what other choice Ukraine has. The present terms the Russian's are demanding are tantamount to surrender and the end of the Ukrainian state.
That tells us more about you, nothing about Plum, a disgraceful comment. You should apologize.
LOL. No.
You don’t think if Putin had any fear of his economy or his military imploding, he would be more receptive to current negotiations? Every indication he is giving is negotiating from strength. That may be a tactic, but it may also be the true.
The demands are there to be negotiated. If Putin is unreasonable the US will be far more inclined to continue supporting Ukraine. Trump can flip in an instant, Putin knows this. The weight of US support behind negotiations is a big factor.
And he is also seeing a shift in Russian support for the war:
‘However, overall, 45% of Russians said that it is necessary to move on to peace talks, while 43% support continuing the military operation. But, 76% of Russians would support Vladimir Putin’s decision to sign a peace agreement if it were adopted tomorrow. Such is Putin’s acceptability in the country.’
In both countries there is a majority wanting a settlement. But this is war, emotions run high and opinion shifts with today’s news.
It’s a moment to try for a settlement. There is a lot to be gained and potentially a lot to be lost if this continues, particularly for Ukraine.
The demands are there to be negotiated.
Moffie, you just don't get it.....here, the above from Slav...take your time, read slowly, allow it to sink in.
But so far I don't see what other choice Ukraine has. The present terms the Russian's are demanding are tantamount to surrender and the end of the Ukrainian state.
That from your great experience as a negotiator Hysteria….ROFL!
You don’t think if Putin had any fear of his economy or his military imploding, he would be more receptive to current negotiations? Every indication he is giving is negotiating from strength. That may be a tactic, but it may also be the true.
Tell me if you were one of the negotiating parties, wouldn't you try to give the appearance that you were negotiating from strength.
The funny thing is Trump has a much stronger hand than Putin does, but he refuses to use it, where are the threats to arm Ukraine to the hilt if Russian doesn't comply or to go after Russian's shadow tanker fleet?
Instead he has given concession after concession away to Russia and got nothing back from them in return.
The demands are there to be negotiated. If Putin is unreasonable the US will be far more inclined to continue supporting Ukraine. Trump can flip in an instant, Putin knows this. The weight of US support behind negotiations is a big factor.
Putin is already being unreasonable. Despite some news today that Trump is apparently angry with Putin, I still don't believe Trump will flip and go all in on supporting Ukraine. His previous threat a few weeks back about putting additional banking and trading restrictions on Russia were just hot air, a transparent attempt at trying to appear to be more balanced. There is a small chance Trump could flip but I think he's just too enamored with Putin for that to happen.
However, overall, 45% of Russians said that it is necessary to move on to peace talks, while 43% support continuing the military operation. But, 76% of Russians would support Vladimir Putin’s decision to sign a peace agreement if it were adopted tomorrow. Such is Putin’s acceptability in the country.’
In both countries there is a majority wanting a settlement. But this is war, emotions run high and opinion shifts with today’s news.
What the Russian people want doesn't matter. It's what Putin wants that decides Russia's course of action. The people of Russia are too afraid to oppose Putin. What has to happen is for the Russian people have to reach the point where they conclude that the cost of inaction and compliance becomes greater than the cost of action. The collapse of the Russian economy while they are bogged down in war that they have appear to have little prospect of winning might just trigger that.
It’s a moment to try for a settlement. There is a lot to be gained and potentially a lot to be lost if this continues, particularly for Ukraine.
The Ukrainian people might want a settlement, Zelensky might want a settlement, Trump might want a settlement, and the Russian people might want a a settlement, but Putin doesn't want a settlement. He wants to either take all of Ukraine or agree to a "settlement" that allows him to take all of Ukraine down the road.
The Ukrainian people might want a settlement, Zelensky might want a settlement, Trump might want a settlement, and the Russian people might want a a settlement, but Putin doesn't want a settlement. He wants to either take all of Ukraine or agree to a "settlement" that allows him to take all of Ukraine down the road.
Yes, well said, my point all along, Putin wants to finish what he started and that is as I've said, he wants to wipe Zelensky and Ukraine off the face of the earth. It will fulfill the God like image that he has of himself as well as impressing itself on the Russian people.
Trump had this wrong from the start, his ongoing manta 'I get on well with him' was interpreted as a sign of weakness by Putin and as I've also said all along, Putin was sizing up Trump as to whether he would support Ukraine. Played him like a fiddle and got sucked in bigtime.
He wanted a short war, USA support and level of support for Ukraine would bedevil his plans.
Trump wants the rare earth minerals it is the only thing keeping his interest, Putin won't agree to handing the land back to Ukraine.....the negotiations are stalling, Trump needs to change course and stand firm.
Saying he's angry with Putin is a good start.
So you know what Putin is thinking….we should have you negotiating this deal Hysteria. Brilliant, you have the whole thing sussed out.
The above commwnra by Stav, Denny and SB is not based on any proven facts - other than Hatred of Trump because you all three believed the lies of the media who for their own hate Trump - more importantly he would destroy them because they are misleading the public because most of them get massive help from the D emcorats and thier owers from not being fact-checked, Let me go on an state clearly that your media is part and parcek of massive corruption networks operted by the US Federal Govenment.
There was plenty of reason why the Democrats started plans to undermine the Government, Knowing what the Democrats did in 2017 when they lied about collusion between Trump and Putin - which in the end was proven that the FBI and CIA were vehicles used to spread the lies - Trump knew that the Federal Public Service was corrupt and the Justice Depatment and FBI played a massive role in spreading the lies - aswellas the fact that Trump wiud rovide leadeship that ould stop the coruption in Government they found a way to try and get rid of TRump hrough fake court cases with no real proof of any crimes he committed, In the end the voters did not believe the BS and even Biden admitted in a ase of a lucid interval that the plan to get rid of Trump misfired and was due to Justice Depatmnt delaying the planned program of the Democrats.
So what has been at present - encouragement of a civil war in the USA stared off as using terrorism tos tart it, Whatsoever Trump try to solve he critical financial mismanagement of the USA Federal Government every effprt is made to prevet for instance peaceful sttelement of the Ukraine War/ Suddenly the edia know exactly what is happening during the engotiation process and the site members claim they know what is going to ahppen iro the negotiations and that Trump and Putin is pkotting to betray the interests of the Ukraine Government.
The site members knows nothing about the negotiations and believe the war should go on - the more wars there are the more opportunities for corruption kick in,
So we have got the case - the media got hatred of Trump so deeply instilled in the minds of the brainwashed idiots that everything he is attempted to do in the world is to be condemned immediately without any real thought about what is really better for the world, .
Negotiating from strength.
Now there's a novel concept.
Trump is a baddie for not negotiating from strength now, when Ukraine and the Biden regime refused to negotiate from much more strength before this all kicked off.
Whats the name for something far worse than a double standard.
Oh, that's right, it's called TDS.
Trump is a baddie for not negotiating from strength now, when Ukraine and the Biden regime refused to negotiate from much more strength before this all kicked off.
Trump is the baddie because he appears to be set on giving into Russian demands and pressuring Ukraine into signing a bad deal.
There is nothing Ukraine or Biden could of done to prevent this war other than either surrender to Russia and allow the take over of the country or Biden threatening Russia that the US and NATO would come to Ukraine's defense directly. But of course you know neither the US or other NATO countries wanted to do that and you be on here screaming about the reckless warmonger Biden.
You can criticize Biden for his over cautious escalation management approach, the slow walking of aid, the slow rate of decision making and the lack of a clearly defined end game for the war. But at least his strategy blocked off a Russian path to victory.
Trumps starting point actually gave him some additional advantage over Biden's starting part with this conflict. Comparatively speaking the Russian's are in a vastly weaker position now before the war began, and the strength of power between the two combatants is much more equal, while near three years of war has taken its toll on the Russian economy.
Instead we get Trump offering up concession after concession to the Russian's, applying pressure on Ukraine, while also destroying the unified front the west had up till this point.
Oh, that's right, it's called TDS.
Right on queue. How very original.
Plum
What baffles me is that the Trump haters is ignoring to things in dealing with the issue of world stability, When Kissinger in 1976 becaame Secretary of S tate he announced a new policy to prevent an alliance between China and Russia. He clearly stated that happens the world will be ruled by a Communist Regime.
That policy was taken forward by Reagan and he went firth er ans started negotiations with the Russians and Chinese, In 1984 a Nuclear Armaments Treaty was signed with Russia under Gorbachov and his successor Bush Senior in 1990 in dealing with he uniting of West and East Germany an undertaking that the independence of all Warsghaw coutries will be granted - but the USA will ensure that NATO would not expand and that the idea was that Russia should get allied to the USA and NATO. The present BSters claimed heir was no such deal signed - but it was in fact signed and a copy was found in the Reagan Library in California
In 1997 Cliton was trying to break eh deal and realizing the implications of breach of the deal his Defense Secretary threatened to resign if that deal was broken. So Clinton - corrupt as hell - gave up on the issue, When Bush Junior became President he started two wars knoen for limitless corruption - namely in Afghanistan as a result of the Al Qaeda attacks on 11 September 2001 - aftre being warned that precision air and missile attacks could be used to punish the Taliban and that was in Afgahnistan is unwinable, While the Afghan War was ongoing wih no chance of the USA winning it - Bush decided on attacking Iraq as well, For the latter he used a liar in Chief - the later Special Council on two occassions Mueller to lie to Congress about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction,
So onto 2004 and 2007 the undertaking of Bush senior was broken and most of central Europe ex-communist countries became NATO members, Putin did object to the breach - but did nothing about it since the countries ebcame democracies and was at that stage not a threat to Russia. In 2007 Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia - with substantial Russian speaking citizens also objected - but did nothing about it since the said three countries had democratic consititutions protecting the human rights of all citizens living in the three countries and repression of peple in thise three countries did not happen. Then came the Georgia issue in 2011 hen the country - totally unstable politicially with constant regime chages and no constitutiona at all applie for membership fo NATO and Putin said if that happens it means war, Before anything further action could be considered another uprising in Georgia let to anther reguime change and the Georgia applicatio to join NATO fell flat,
So come along Ukraine, In 1991 the establishment of Ukraine was estbalished based on a new constitution with human rights being protected - it was very important in Ukaine's ccase since circa 30% of the residents of Ukraine were ussian speaking people. In 2013 an election was held in Ukraine and that had consequences the USA did not like. A Russia speaking person was elected as President wit the majority support from Eastern and Central Ukraine. One of the promises of the new Government was that Ukraine would apply for EU membership - soething very difficult to get approval of - especially complicated because Ukraine was regarded as the most corrupt country in Europe. The joining of Ukraine of the EU was delayed indefinitey to ensure Ukraine implemet basic requirements of the EU in regard to financial management. In a effort to overcome some problem the new President signed a temporary deal with Russia - something he Ukrainians in Western Ukraine was against,
Some protests arted in September 2014 against thet development and the US Government under Obama saw an opportunity to meddle in the Internal political situation in Ukraine, Their agent in that case was Head of he CIA - Brennan - who visited Kieve four times taking money with him to fund the protests. Another problem ws theire was a Bandera Asscoiation made up of eople who hated the Russian. Bandera was allied to the Nazi Germans and he organised troop formations in Ukraine to fight gainst the Russians and on te side of Nazi-Germany. Bandera during the War Bandera lived in a Nazi concentration camp in Poland. More than 800 000 Poles. Jews and Ukrainians were killed by the Germans and Ukrainians in that camp. When the Germans swithdrew from Russia Bandera ent with them and lived in Munich until 1956 under US Army protection. The Polish Govenment asked the USA to deliver Bandera to them because of crimes against humanity - but the USA refused the request. The muxdeous abstard was murdered in 1956 in Munchen by a cmmunist agent.
In 2007 a new rganization called the Bandera Asociation was frmed by Russian-hating UKrainians and the Association was part and parcel of the USA regime chage agenda in 2014 - there also was a private arm called he Asov Brigade that was invovled in the protests and when the Brigade members started shotinga t he Police - the elected president foresaw a blodbath and resigned as President and went to Russia. His Deputys tayed on an tried tostop the development of a Civil War in Ukraine by vetoing an instruction to ba all Russians-speaking from using their home languagei Ukriane.
In 2014 it was clear that a new cabinet be appointed and the issue was left to Biden to rganie and deal with Ukraine issues. So Biden used members of the Bander Associatio as the new Cabinet for Ukraine base entirely on their ahtred of all things Russian and in the process the 1991 Constitution of UKRAINE ews dtroyed and the USA installed Government started .to get assistace running into billions in Ukraine,
As a result a Civil Wa broke out in Eastern Ukraine as Russian-speaking people distrusted otally the new US-installed Government in Ukraine. In the case of Crimea .the USA had their eyes on the Black sea base of teh Russian Navy in Sevastopol, The Crimea had a special status in ems of the 1991 Ukraine Conmstitution - there as a Crime Parlaiment with all finternal unctions being controlled by the Crimea Parlaiment. After the coup in Kiev and the appointment of new Cabinet in Ukraine, The Crimea Parliamen lost its status so fearing expansion of fhe Civil War in Eastern Ukraine the Crimea Parliament decided to hold a referendum to decide on teh future of the Crimea, The voters had to decide what should happen as to the future of the Crimea. With a population of 85% Rusian speaking people 10% Tartars and the rest other minority people, It was no surpise that 94,5% of the voters voted for the Crimea to become Part of the Russdian Federation/
In 2015 France and Germany organized a conference in Minsk to decide on how to stop the Civil War in Eastern Ukraine. The Minsk agreement was signed in which the followeing eisions was taken -
After the agreement was signed the matter was referred to the UN Security Concil who confrmed the treaty unanimously - but the Obama Administratio made sure the agreement was never implemented and increased funding of the Kiev Government flowed in why the Bandera -retated Cabinet pressed ahead with their hatred of all things Russian - and the Asov Brigade murdered thousnds of people in Mariopol and Odessa. A a result th Bigade was reistered by the UN as a mercenary and terrorist organization. After that teh Asov Brigade becme part
In 2019 Zelenskyy in his election campaign [promised to end the Ukraine C ivil War - but he soon found out that he had no say in the matter and authortity on that decision was to deal with issues only with approval of the UDS Govnemtn,
I WIII FINISH THIS A BIT LATER . . . . . , . .
Please don't.
So you know what Putin is thinking
Yes to some extent I do, but so does BB, Rooinek, Stav, Sharkbok and a few others.....excepting in your case you have to wait on Trump and that Murdoch rag before you echo an opinion.
Please don't.
Hell no, don't!!!!!
Listen Stav I like your rugby imputs - but on this issue you are tolally ignotant what hapepned and what shit you are writing. Please provide details of how the negotiations is poceeded and stop writing abouit things you know fuck-all about. All you do now is to hate Trump because he opposed ultra-left BS that you believe in totally.
Trump said there are solid reasons why Biden wants a peace settlement - while you believe that little corrupt shit Zelenskyy - who are speading BS all the way as if he rules the world and only his opinion count. There is a simple question - why do you want to protect Zelenskyy - why the people of Ukrainne count for nothing.
Do you really think Trump is not keeping Macron and Starmer aware about what is happening and any of their imputs are ignored.
My advice to you is grow up and start thinking for yourself and stop believing the propaganda shit you spread on site. The same advice applies to Denny, BB and Rooinek the idiot. .
Poor Mike, so far down the rabbit hole.
Sure Hysteria, you are really with it….so current, that when you saw the headline of this string in your Woke rag, you never realized it was a discredited story from 6 weeks ago.
There’s pathetic and then there’s Hysteria. ROFL!
Satv
I may be in a rathole - but you are ina snakepit with equal poison in your mind to beat all snske When last have posta nything factual on site based on real evidence?.
So erm umm Moffie, I'm expecting a Trump like pivot on Putin......dressed up in sleez.
Well that’s like a Wantwit prediction, the smart money is betting on the opposite.
Actually, your idea of betting on the smart money....is hindsight.
Hindsight......how can you ever be wrong.
Now go-on....have the last say you childish and immature fop.
There sis so much BS under his thread is really totally bizarre, The funny prt is that Stavaner said his eyess and ears tell him what is going on iro the negotiations - but one wonders whether he has direct access to what is invoved i teh eneotiaions ad what he ehars and from whom and wh at he sees because he obviously is not in Ukraine and get real inputs from Ukrainians and one wonders hether he actually as dorect access to what is disciussed in Jedda,
So Putin tries a stunt he believed Trump would fall for. He said there can be no ceasefire because nobody can Trust the ultra-corrupt Zelenskyy. The latter was in full control of the Bidens and trid the same stunt with Trum - whos ed him packing, Putin thought that was enough for Trump to get rid of Zelenskyy - but Trump in public repremanded Putin and said that was not part of
There sis so much BS under his thread is really totally bizarre, The funny prt is that Stavaner said his eyess and ears tell him what is going on iro the negotiations - but one wonders whether he has direct access to what is invoved i teh eneotiaions ad what he ehars and from whom and wh at he sees because he obviously is not in Ukraine and get real inputs from Ukrainians and one wonders hether he actually as dorect access to what is disciussed in Jedda,
So Putin tries a stunt he believed Trump would fall for. He said there can be no ceasefire because nobody can Trust the ultra-corrupt Zelenskyy. The latter was in full control of the Bidens and trid the same stunt with Trum - whos ed him packing, Putin thought that was enough for Trump to get rid of Zelenskyy - but Trump in public repremanded Putin and said that was not part of
There sis so much BS under his thread is really totally bizarre, The funny prt is that Stavaner said his eyess and ears tell him what is going on iro the negotiations - but one wonders whether he has direct access to what is invoved i teh eneotiaions ad what he ehars and from whom and wh at he sees because he obviously is not in Ukraine and get real inputs from Ukrainians and one wonders hether he actually as dorect access to what is disciussed in Jedda,
So Putin tries a stunt he believed Trump would fall for. He said there can be no ceasefire because nobody can Trust the ultra-corrupt Zelenskyy. The latter was in full control of the Bidens and trid the same stunt with Trum - whos ed him packing, Putin thought that was enough for Trump to get rid of Zelenskyy - but Trump in public reprimanded Putin and said that was not part of the telephone discussion,
W verybody with evena brdbrain knows that Zelenskyy cannot eb trusted on anything and in t he end he will be gone - but that si the repsonibility of the Ukraine voters,
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Shitory alert!
Dense, I’ll use your master’s rather apt name for you, go on using up the household budget on the horses and leave the educated to play the options market,
Stav: Poor Mike, so far down the rabbit hole.
Mike: I may be in a rathole...
Always some nugget of gold in these strings.
Classic
Dense Moffie, I’ll use your nemesis Rooinek’s, rather apt name for you
Once again you Ape me….try to think of something original.
Oh, so you're an Ape.....gosh, I'll be blown!
From the Cambridge Dictionary….to ape somebody:
to copy something or someone badly and unsuccessfully:
As for your being blown keep that to yourself.
Nice work.
Thanks for the lesson.....you've avoided a train smash.
Class dismissed. Good.
BTW grammar nazi, while we're at it can you fix your typo's?
Now there's a good wee fella.
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The United States is prepared to escalate military and economic pressure on Russia if Vladimir Putin refuses to negotiate an end to the war, US Vice President J.D. Vance told the Wall Street Journal.
Vance warned that if Russia disrupts upcoming peace talks, the US would impose new sanctions and consider deploying American troops to Ukraine — a move that would mark a dramatic shift in US policy.
"There are economic levers of pressure, there are certainly military levers of pressure," Vance stated, adding that the Trump administration is working to convince Putin that diplomacy is a better option than continued war.
He also suggested that resetting relations with Russia could benefit both sides, noting that Moscow’s growing dependence on Beijing makes it a junior partner to China—a situation Putin would likely want to avoid.
What Would a Peace Deal Look Like?
While the parameters of a potential agreement remain unclear, Vance acknowledged that any deal would involve hard choices for both Ukraine and Russia. He declined to specify whether the US would accept Russia retaining control of occupied Ukrainian territory or what kind of security guarantees Kyiv would receive.
“There are any number of formulations, configurations, but we care about Ukraine remaining sovereign and independent,” Vance said.
He also hinted that Trump may surprise the world with his approach to negotiations.
“I think this will result in a deal that will shock a lot of people,” he warned.
Following Trump’s first official phone call with Putin on February 12, the US president announced two high-level meetings to discuss ending the war. The first is set for February 14 at the Munich Security Conference, and another will take place next week in Saudi Arabia.
However, Kyiv has ruled out meeting with Russian representatives in Munich, insisting that Ukraine must first coordinate its position with the US and European allies before any direct talks with Moscow.
With tensions escalating and Washington openly considering military intervention, the coming days could be decisive for Ukraine, Russia, and global security.