Maaik, my default opinion is the opposite of what the ANC stands for...detests the corrupt lot...we are way too close to Russia, they are not the good guys. I am aware of the corruption in Ukraine and the American involvement in these activities, but siding with Russia isn't the answer...they are just as corrupt as the ANC...sold out their country too.
More lies from DumbMike. Most of these countries are neutral- which means they do not support either side.
Very few countries have actually said they support Russia.
Everyone wants peace through negotiation, but the problem is that Putin's only acceptable terms are that he keeps part of Ukraine, while Ukraine wants Russia to leave all of Ukraine.
There is no middle ground, so negotiation is not an option.
If Putin had anticipated this is how things would have played out, chances are he would never have invaded.
Now he is stuck between a rock and a hard place. He knows that if he leaves Ukraine without at least keeping some of it, he will be killed by Oligarchs.
He knows that if the Russian economy suffers too badly, the Oligarchs will kill him.
Regardless of the official government position of a country, its not going to reflect 100% the view of a countries populations. The population of countries in the west or western aligned largely support Ukraine's right to self defense but their is of course a minority that would be supportive of Russia or hold the view the west is to blame and their should be a a negotiated settlement. Even in Russia there is probably a minority of 20% who oppose the war.
The ANC will side with whomever gives them the biggest handouts and facilitates the most corruption.
They are scum beyond scum. If you vote ANC, you’re my enemy.
It’s incredible how wealthy South Africa could be if the ANC and it’s millions of followers had just a smidgen of decency and ethics.
Take, steal, deceive…blame whites.
Looting culture.
Firstly Mike is not including many countries that are pro Russia.
South Ametica will not impose sanctions on Russia. Ditto most of Africa. Then you have Iran and Turkey. You have Pakistan. You have all the Stan countries. Take a look at who wants to join BRICS, who has joined SCO.
I read that roughly 70 % of the World population are opposed to the West. Within the West the populations of a country like Germany oppose this war. Huge numbers of people in Western nations do.
I support Russia because they hold the moral high ground. They did not instigate this war and had compelling reasons to March into Ukraine. Hope they win quickly now as that will be best for everyone bar some negotiated settlement that Washington clearly doesn't want.
Plum
I hate thieving politicians and bureaucrats - that makes the ANC and the Democrats in the USA my top hates in the world. Amongst them is the politically-connected syndicates in SA and the Bidden, Pelosi and Schiff crime families.
But corruption is a major issue in most countries,.
When you have the support of the "Stan's", then you really need to question your own values.
143 countries condemned the invasion of Ukraine. 27 abstained & Syria Iran Belarus NKorea Cuba Nicaragua Venezuela support Russia,
If I was Putin, I would say to Russians that I am leaving Ukraine because of the risks of nuclear war.
I would continue down the rhetoric that he is using - blaming the West and say that Russian intelligence has uncovered a conspiracy that the West had been wanting war all along.
Then say that in the interest of avoiding nuclear war, and therefore to protect Russia and the rest of the world from nuclear contamination Russia is going to leave Ukraine.
Then when speaking to the West, I would ask for sanctions to be removed - and if this is done, Russia will leave Ukraine.
It is all nonsense, but a certain amount of people in Russia and around the world would believe it.
Are DumbMike and Beeno stupid or liars?
There are clearly 3 positions:
1. For (Ukraine)
2. Neutral (Ukraine/Russia)
3. Against (Ukraine)
Being neutral, does not mean against Ukraine.
Take a look at the countries against Ukraine. The who's who of mankind's degenerates.
Beansht4Brns has been explicit, boisterously supporting RatPutin.
ouMaaik pretends to be a draadsitter but his hatred of the Demorats
& their crucial involvement in the conflict somehow overshadows
normal sense & sensibilities, iow. he's a Russian fanboy
SB
You are such an easy baby to handle. The countries who abstained are continuing with their trading and relationship with Russia. The USA will not get a Security Council approval for punishing anybody.
So the countries representing 41% of the world population wants peace negotiations in Ukraine - the USA wants continuation of the War and the EU countries are getting worried about support of Ukraine. They have problems with a restless electorate and in two countries he leftists lost power already.
Mamaparas like poor sharktwit should limit themselves to telling us what the score is in a rugby match. chances are they could get that right!! Bwahahahhaahahhahaha
You see they have no idea who wants to join Brics. They have no idea who has joined SCO and who wants to. They have no idea about South America. The have no clue about the Asian countries generally. They think all the African nations love America and ditto the Muslim nations.
In summary they have no clue whatsoever.
70% of the world is lining up against the West thanks to Benedict Biden and his handlers. Trust in the USA and the West has collapsed. Hence the Bi Polar world that has emerged. What they did to Russia re SWIFT they could do to anybody and hence the alternate to SWIFT being developed. Huge negative implications for the USA. Benedict Biden and handlers overjoyed.
Stav
Happy to see the US as 23rd least corrupt country in the world. If you believe the level of corruption is that you would find that there is a protection of corrupt activities in place with the Justice Department being a part of it - if that was eliminated the real situation is probably in the vicinity of 100 or higher in corruption.
Just take the FTX racket where $5 billion is involved - the money vanished from sight and the fact is part of it went as donations to the Democratic Party ($70 million) where is the rest of the money gone? The newspaper won't report on anything pertaining to the racket - but Democrats like Pelosi and Schiff played a major role in that racket.
The newspapers also did not report on the audit of Covid Aid Funds made available to aid businesses of which according to audit $5,4 billion went missing - with both crooks, bureaucrats and Democratic Party politicians are the main culprits.
Then there is the Hunter Laptop - written proof of how the political corruption protection racket works. Remember there are proof of the covering up of corrupt activities by the Justice Department as well.
BB
I always was against the Russian Invasion and said always there should be peace negotiations before the invasion. There was - but Biden sabotaged it. The fact is the War is promoted by politicians involving politicians from both Parties in the war corruption activities - but the Democrats rule the roost. The level of corruption has reached new heights never contemplated in the past.. Try the FTX scam involving $5 Billion dollars - at least $1 billion in taxpayer money ended up in FTX and from there distributed to the beneficiaries of corruption in both Ukraine and the USA. The $5,4 billion of Covid assistance money went AWOL in the hive of corruption. Another covered-up story is the Hunter Biden laptop in which there is proof of Biden's corruption and an explanation given of the Biden Crime Family activities.
Ukraine and Russia are innit together.
Ukraine and Russia are innit together. ????
Ukraine and Russia are innit together. ????
Yeah you know sort of how a rape victim is equally at fault for getting raped.
ccl
Ja I know it sounds like stupid comment to make...I'm frustrated that this will probably go on for a very long time...Putin is not gonna withdraw from Ukraine any time soon and Zelensky isn't gonna back down either...thousands more will die...they are both in it together yes...lots of innocent victims, but let’s have a fcn war! I'm so tired of this sh!t...
And no Stav, I didn't say they are equally to blame for starting this bloody war...everyone knows who started it, I say neither side seem to have any interest at stopping it...not even trying...Zelensky would nuke Moscow if he can get his paws on one...things are only going to get worse...unbelievable in this modern day and age...Europe of all places...
Ole Blob and Sad Sack Sader both love their satanic neo pagan Azov unit.Frontline SSS troopers
Hitler is proud of you both.
See Germany has troops in Lithuania....still want another war with Russia...never learn.
I say neither side seem to have any interest at stopping it
Do you know why Ukraine has no interest in stopping it, because Ukraine would cease to exist as an independent country if it did. If Russia stops fighting, it simply gets to go home.
Ukraine is fighting for its existence.
Russia is fighting for Putin's imperialist ambitions.
not even trying...Zelensky would nuke Moscow if he can get his paws on one
That's complete nonsense.
Ukraine is fighting for its existence.
Russia is fighting for Putin's imperialist ambitions.
& that really says it all.
C'mon The Shams
One person said if you choose any side in this war then one loses.
Stav
Before the invasion there were negotiations to stop the invasion from happening. It confirmed the Minsk agreement of 2015 - which guaranteed the 2015 borders of Ukraine - with provision of the need for a constituion of Ukraine that protect the rights of all inhabitants of Ukraine. That was an agreement initiated by President Macron. Was that reasonable or not?
Everything was on the point of agreement on that when Biden said that the main objective o the war was to get rid of Putin as President of Russia, That was the last chance of preventing the invasion and since them the USA poured money into Ukraine - and corruption in both th USA and Ukraine went to the highest level ever.
The USA does not like peace in Ukraine and has sabotaged every effort to settle the issue peacefully. That is the real reason why negotiation are not possible to reach a peace agreement. The propaganda is aimed at continuation of the War and is daily feeding the people stupid enough to believe it.
"Ukraine is fighting for its existence."
Indeed...and they are very brave standing up against the Russian bully, but if this goes on for another few years, how much of Ukraine will be left.
Some people consider ruling over ashes and bones a victory.
Follow the money...
RatPutin wants Ukraine, preferably without Ukranians.
"but if this goes on for another few years, how much of Ukraine will be left"
What difference does it make as it stands right now.....
To not see this war through.... would be a massive smack in the face of those thousands of Ukranian people who have already given their lives, fighting for their very existence and independence from Russia.
Giving that independence to Russia was never, and never can be, an option to end this war.... ever.
20% of something is better than 100% of nothing
I don't think Putin will stop just with the Donbas either for all the Russians that have sacrificed their lives. Probably tok late for negotiations from Zelensky, they gonna get obliterated one way or another.
Quite right Mike. Many countries who voted against Russia for fear of US reprisals are not sanctioning Russia. Look at what countries DO.
SECONDLY, you can take probably over 100 countries and they don't add up to a China. These mickey mouse countries voting as they are forced to mean little.
Think of who is still trading with Russia. That gives you are clue and proves it is not Russia that is being isolated but the West.
That is why the Ruble is do strong and so is the Russian economy.
Mexico is now filing application to join BRICS I saw. Marxist/Socialist South America and Socialist Mexico are in the China camp. Amazing how the Biden Regime went all in for Marxist Lula in Brazil. But do remember Joe is owned by China and wants to destroy America as all his actions show. Back to the statement of George Soros - America is the biggest impediment to the establishment of the (Globalist) NWO.
Ukraine will be defeated and the Donbass and Crimea will be RUSSIAN as of course they should be. The remainder of Ukraine will be neutral. NATO'S Expansion to the East will finally be stopped dead in its tracks. NATO will be left with a bloody nose and will have learnt not to poke the bear.
Dtadd wake up boet. Don't compare Russia with the morally bankrupt West! What are you smoking. One of the things Russia can't stand is the perversion of Western leaders and their wokeness. I don't say Western people as the majority are disgusted with this nonsense.
A big thank you to Russia for standing up to Globalist aggression. Their hopes of dismembering Russia are failing miserably. All the money they have spent on building up the Ukraine army over the years has been wasted. Indeed it is Europe that is suffering the most economically. This is good as nothing like reality wakes people up and wake up they must as disaster looms into view.
I saw an article recently saying Marine Le Pen the French Patriot should win the presidency next time around as she is leading in the polls. Hopefully she does and puts an end to the invasion of France.
I think all sane people have had more than enough of the WEF Globalists and their governments. One attack on humanity after another. Americans need to lead the way in destroying the Globalists lest their country be destroyed.
"A big thank you to Russia for standing up to Globalist aggression."
Baboon-ou in a nutshell.
"Indeed it is Europe that is suffering the most economically. This is good"
Ridiculous
The so-called liberals on here have become Ukrainian nationalists.
One person said if you choose any side in this war then one loses.
How can neutral people who have no interest in war be dragged into your nationalist agenda?
Why don't you also drag then into the Nato war on the Kurds too,or don't you have a viewpoint there?
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2022/11/if-nato-opposes-aggression-why-does-it-support-turkish-crimes-against-the-kurds
How can neutral people who have no interest in war be dragged into your nationalist agenda?
Nationalist agenda?...I have no agenda. I support Ukraine's right to defend itself and its sovereignty, that is all.
Why don't you also drag then into the Nato war on the Kurds too,or don't you have a viewpoint there?
So you assume I don't care for the Kurds yet I have mentioned them here before. I have always been interested in the Kurds and their struggle for autonomy. Now you just brush off NATO's aggression with mere words.... sorry mate, you are two faced.
Because I had my hands in the cookie jar - does not mean I was stealing cookies. Others do - so we are fully entitled to do the same.
Thank you for refuting Russia's position Mike.
"but if this goes on for another few years, how much of Ukraine will be left"
What difference does it make as it stands right now.....
To not see this war through.... would be a massive smack in the face of those thousands of Ukranian people who have already given their lives, fighting for their very existence and independence from Russia.
Giving that independence to Russia was never, and never can be, an option to end this war.... ever.
20% of something is better than 100% of nothing"
20% of nothing is nothing...do you really think they can prevail if this goes on for another 5 years?...or 2 like the Boer War? BTW, this war has a lot of parallels with the AngloBoer war...What positives were there for the Boers when the war was over?
Stav
I do not like what Russia is doing in Ukraine at all. That is why I always supported peace negotiations from the start.
So Stav
Lets look at your mighty USA and their sick agenda.
During the Clinton administration the Iraqi Kurds were the good Kurds because they were persecuted by Iraq but up north the bad Kurds were annoying USA ally ,Turkey
The US sent Turkey huge amounts of weaponry-with US knowledge-to murder tens of thousands of Kurds and destroy thousands of villages.
This is your USA,which betrayed the Kurds.You support a sick regime.
Thry have betrayed the Kurds eight times but why care,since they have no oil or gas.
"Lets look at your mighty USA and their sick agenda."
Bendover, why don't you rather look at this almighty god of yours? Why doesn't he help the poor Kurds you're so worried about?
Is it because he's not as mighty as you think he is or is it because he just doesn't care enough?
It's one of the two.
"why don't you rather look at this almighty god of yours? Why doesn't he help the poor Kurds you're so worried about?"
God doesn't exist for you so why you worried about my relationship with God?
Stick to your own miserable atheist existence.
Stav .....your USA and NATO is still doing shitty things to the Kurds.Funny how selective you people are.
"God doesn't exist for you so why you worried about my relationship with God?"
"why doesn't your god help those Kurds you're so worried about?"
Your question is not valid since you're a miserable little atheist with a satanic agenda.
Psalm 22v27 All the ends of the earth shall remember and turn to the Lord,and all the families of the earth shall worship before you.
I see. Well, you know what? You've converted me. I'm no longer an atheist with a satanic agenda. I've seen the light, Hallelujah!
So, I wonder why our god doesn't help the poor Kurds? Any ideas?
Welcome Rooi! Hallelujah!...glad to see youve got your finger on the pulse of everything religious... glad to have you! Hallelujah!!!
There is none so blind as those that will not (and refuse) to see.
No Nazi's ....LOL
https://youtu.be/QwgHct3nXiY
"You can educate a fool, but you cannot make him think"
Many of the Ukraine supporters here hate Putin more than Hitler,media controls them
Dup
"Posted by: sharkbok (16163 posts)
Mar 11, 2023, 16:35"You can educate a fool, but you cannot make him think"
LMAO!!! lost irony! Thanks Snark, great laugh!
Two thirds of the population on earth supports Russia .
Also two thirds in space support Russia.
143 countries condemned the invasion of Ukraine. 27 abstained & Syria Iran Belarus NKorea Cuba Nicaragua Venezuela support Russia,
Are DumbMike and Beeno stupid or liars?
There are clearly 3 positions:
1. For (Ukraine)
2. Neutral (Ukraine/Russia)
3. Against (Ukraine)
Being neutral, does not mean against Ukraine.
Take a look at the countries against Ukraine. The who's who of mankind's degenerates.
Aye Sharky but you support a crap team
143 nations condemned invasion
27 abstained
6 or 7 despots supported Russia.
India & China amongst abstainers .............. abstaining doesn't mean 'supporting'.
Governments supporting doesn't mean the population supports either.
95 percent of the world Muslim population is anti American...go figure.
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abstain
verb
1.
restrain oneself from doing or enjoying something.
2.
formally decline to vote either for or against a proposal or motion.
"forty-one voted with the Opposition, and some sixty more abstained"
Similar:
not vote
decline/refuse to vote
population:-he number or body of inhabitants in a place belonging to a specific social, cultural, socioeconomic, ethnic,
Governments supporting doesn't mean the population supports either.
Ffs.that's exactly what I said about India & China ........ meaning, you dom twat, your two thirds claim is bollocks.
Sorry you lose again......you're as useless as the Sharks
Who knows what the whole population thinks, or what the average is?
However, they either voted for their leader, or they were too weak and allowed themselves to be ruled.
The countries have either voted or abstained. Most voted for Ukraine.
It is really just to degenerates that support Russia (E.g. North Korea, the Stan's)
The countries that have sanctioned Russia over Ukraine represent only 16% of the world's population.
I think the world shoud sanction those countries..... Europe, USA, Canada and Australia.
Japan is buying oil from Russia. Iran and India changing over to the Rupee in oil payment towards Russia.
Even in Europe there have been protests aganst weapon supplies to Ukraine but your Nazi NATO lumbers on.
74% of Europeans support Ukraine
Well at least we now know you aint a draadsitter.
Ja Blob, I'm not on the fence, I'm against the war from the start I put 80% of the blame on Russia and Putin, but, I refuse to believe that in this day and age, they can do absolutely nothing to stop a terrible war that's costing 1000s of lives every day. Whatever has been done to stop the conflict isn't working...it's been more than a year, try something else...I refuse to believe that throwing more weapons into the cauldron is the answer.
It doesn't help to live in a echo chamber, getting your already established beliefs reinforced all the time...that way change for the better will never happen...it's good for one to have your views challenged and to listen to the other side every once in a while...things are almost never as they seem...
clevermike
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You can sums up the support structure of countries who oppose the War and favor negotiations in one set of abbreviations - namely BRICS. the countries involved are Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa - making up 41% of the total world population.
The weird part is that the USA played a major role in the recent elections in Brazil - the candidate for President they support is more Pro-Russian and Chinese than the previous President. Fact is his main ally is China - but that would make him more acceptable from a Biden Administration point of view.
India has strong economic ties to Russia and is closer to Russia from where they import oil and other Russian exports. China is the number 1 hater of the USA - but Biden is routinely their graeatest asset in the USA. The Chinese are waiting for the USA to weaken itself to a level where the USA will not be able to respond when China attacks Taiwan and South Korea and that is happening soon. .
South Africa is the route the Russians and Chinese use to influence African countries and the present SA Government has close ties to especially China. They told Biden's Secretary of State Blinken to bugger off when he tried to get South African support in the War. The SA Government like the other BRICS countries support a negotiated settlement.
What the countries have in common is they are not warmongering like the USA Government and politicians favor.