While all this anti American rhetoric plays out…

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Apr 10, 2025, 17:23

….the Chinese are conducting what are in fact practice blockade exercises around Taiwan. Venturing closer than they ever have, violating Taiwanese air space, hoping to provoke Taiwan into a mistake. Xi will never rest until western freedoms are taken away and Taiwan is part of the Chinese state.


Separately we learn North Korean troops who are largely responsible for dislodging the Ukranians in Kursk are developing vital battle tactics and becoming battle hardened. At the right moment they would enthusiastically employ those tactics against their cousins in the South.


There has been massive hand wringing about Greenland. The US would never take Greenland by force, or any other sovereign country . It remains with Britain the only ready, willing and able counter force to bad actors on a global basis.


China will not relent in Xi’s lifetime and probably for generations beyond that. Given the right prospects Russia might, they are far closer to the West culturally. Which is why resolving the Ukranian tragedy is crucial…..but not easy. The emotions of war are embedded.


Trump’s words not his actions or potential actions have taken away from reality. Germany is not our enemy but nor is it very consequential in a geo political sense. The West will come together again at some point, the reality of our real threats will ensure that. In the meantime we need to be much smarter….China and Islam are the two forces that want to change the world and show no signs of relenting.

Apr 10, 2025, 17:37

Oh come on, the taiwan crisis.... The very bad China is looking for expansion on a territory that China has historical claims on.... It is very bad, China is very nasty. In the meantime, the self righteous US have announced expansionist views on the Greenland, Canada.... Same thing as for Lesotho. The liberal mindset does not oppose criminal behaviour, it opposes smaller ciminal behaviour. Lesotho screwing the US by 250 millions bad, they deserve to be punished the most, the EU screwing the US by 350 billions, they deserve to be punished, but much less.


Liberals are going to kill hundreds of millions people, it is quasi certain now.

Apr 10, 2025, 18:04

Drivel alert

Apr 10, 2025, 18:43

The silliness of some posters is unbelievable, Fpr them the Ukrainme War must be solved by alienating Russia - a defining mm,ent for them si tht Ruaais must be pubnished. Th e f act is the Chinmese ad the Musims represent a ten times bigger threat than the menioned two viis orientatted mentioned,


They has no mens to defend Taiwan or even protect their shipping in the Red Sea or for that matter against the Iran enemies, Niden presided ove a decline i army strengt of the USA, Take fot instance the issue of the nuclear [powered and armed submarines, In 2019 Trump included a suitable amount bassd on the decision funds were to be provideed for -


# For the buidling of two such submarines per year; and

# for serving of the 60 such subs at present used by the USDF


So in the four years - despite money being available - only two such submained were in fact built; and of the 60 such subs only 40 are in operation after withdrawal 20 such submarine for sevicing and other minor work - what was amazing is the budgets for the submaine program was spent - but nobody knew what the submatie program mentioned - but according to audit reports nobody knew what the money was used for - but the scenario left the said submarine fleet on life support and far from being the detering force the Trump regarded as essnetial to keep China from taking on Tawian,


So we have an obsession with Ukraine that must receive top priority and detering a collapse of South Kore and Taiwan would Australia and Ne Zealand open to attack by China. The cheek is that the Chinese navy has use live fire in recent war manouvers in the sea between Australia and New Zealand and nobody could do anything about it,


So accoding to site members the Uraine War must be extended until Ukraine wins the war and Zlesnkyy must be the new world leader to be protected and promoted and the lefties wants to acheve nothing by forcing Russia into an alliance with China.


It reminds me of the Yalta agrement that Stalin used to play ping pong with Rooevelt and Vhurchill and it let to the occupation of the Center; European countries under Russian control until 1991. But the objectove At yalta was that the Hitler regime must be detoyed in Nazi Germnay and nothing else was important, Now the idea is that Zelenskyy;s role in Ukraine is more importat than world stability,


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Apr 10, 2025, 19:05

Taiwan is a lot more Chinese than Greenland is American.


Not a peep from the Trumpanzees when Bozo blusters about taking Greenland by force, but let China talk about reclaiming what was an historically Chinese island just 180 km from it's coast (compare that to Hawaii) then the Trumpanzees start soiling their frilly pink panties.


Taiwan only exists as a separate entity because Chiang Kai-Shek fled there with his supporters after losing the Chinese civil war in 1949 and had the backing of the anti-Communist Allies to create a separate state.


And yet here we get Trumpanzees like Moffie squeaking about the naughty Chinese wanting to reclaim what was historically theirs for centuries while turning a blind eye to Bozo demanding Greenland.

Apr 10, 2025, 19:25

Let's band together to allow Trump to colonise Greenland, Canada, Panama, Ukraine and the Mexican Gulf while trying to sabotage the European economy.

Apr 10, 2025, 19:29

So you favor China taking over Taiwan, while the people in Taiwan want to remain independent:


Public opinion in Taiwan regarding unification with China has been consistently low. Surveys indicate that only a small percentage of Taiwanese support unification, with figures typically ranging from approximately 7% to 12%. ?


Classical Woke democracy

Apr 10, 2025, 19:34

No, you manipulative stinking liar, I'm saying China has more of a claim to Taiwan than the USA has to Greenland.

Apr 10, 2025, 19:37

Shark you don’t have to band together….if America wanted to take those territories it certainly could, perhaps the Ukraine excepted. Just like Britain, Germany, Italy, Russia and France did when they were in a position of power, far less than the US today. The US since WW1 is the only global super power capable of annexing territory that hasn’t and won’t.

Apr 10, 2025, 19:40

Billy, Billy Billy calling anybody else a liar is no longer your prerogative. Try not to talk out of both sides of your stinking mouth….do you think China has the right to invade Taiwan? Yes or no?

Apr 10, 2025, 19:43

Do grow up, Moffie. It's actually quite embarrassing having such an ignorant liar posting on the same message board.


Just accept your role as my little bitch and speak when you're spoken to. There's a good chap . . . run along now . . .

Apr 10, 2025, 20:01

Your words Billy:


And yet here we get Trumpanzees like Moffie squeaking about the naughty Chinese wanting to reclaim what was historically theirs for centuries


You support the Chinese demands for the return of Taiwan despite the Taiwanese overwhelmingly rejecting that.


Noted, but don’t pretend you have any respect for Democracy.

Apr 10, 2025, 21:30

So Grenland is the next Ukraine - which are the chief consideration of the site idiots. Sure Greenland as a total population of 51 000 people and the nrxt thing that could happen the Chinese or Russians sent a small army of about 2 000 soldiers to Greenland voila with all its mineral resurces will be part of the Chines program to undermine democracies


The posting by Rooidoos reflect the type of shit that is supposed to show knowledge of the world situation based on the fake media, That shit takes precedence in a very volatile and unstable world caused by shit from the Biden Regime is now all that the vast stupidity unachieved before by morons on site,



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Apr 11, 2025, 07:56

It is funny, liberals can not discuss, they demand monopoly on speech so they can not be challenged in their warped perception of things; it is mandatory for them.


And they rely on accusatory inversion. So pointing out a few inept thoughts is labelled as drivel to immediately be followed by the claim that Taiwan wants to remain independent. Taiwan has never been independent by their own claim. This is a dispute over the sovereignty over China. Taiwan considered itself as the legitimate government of China. They for long claimed sovereignty over China. Taiwan never declared themselves independent. It is part of China ahd the question was on who was to rule China. It just happened that continental China may have more arguments to be the ruler of China. That is all.

Apr 11, 2025, 08:00

Very funny. Wanted to write a piece of this: freedom in liberal societies. Since 1776, when the US have claimed they separated for freedom matter, how freedom has been defined: doing things because others do it or will do it. Why did they have to have slaves? Because Africans had slaves. Why did they have to steal land from the Indians? because the Indians were stealing from each others. Why do they have to have guns? because criminals have guns. Why do they have to land grab the Greenland? because China or Russia will do it anyway.


That is freedom for liberals: do things because the others do or will do. Of course, liberal societies are societies based on individualism, so liberals claim.

Apr 11, 2025, 12:05

Separately we learn North Korean troops who are largely responsible for dislodging the Ukranians in Kursk are developing vital battle tactics and becoming battle hardened. At the right moment they would enthusiastically employ those tactics against their cousins in the South.


Probably not accurate to say their largely responsible for dislodging Ukraine. North Korea sent about a divisions worth of troops to fight against Ukraine, something like 11,000 to 12,000. Several hundred had already been killed and several thousand wounded by the time that the Ukrainians were mostly driven out of Kursk (they still hold some very advantageous and difficult to attack high ground in Kursk). I believe the Russian's had amassed around 70,000+ troops in Kursk when Ukraine was pushed back, moving reinforcements in from other sectors. More accurate to say the North Korean's played a supporting role.


It's difficult to say how much the North Korean's are learning. Are the Russian's using them as cannon fodder, are Russian tactics that effective in the first place and would they apply to a conflict in North Korea. Do the North Korean's have the capability of adopting the tactics on a wide basis etc.


There has been massive hand wringing about Greenland. The US would never take Greenland by force, or any other sovereign country . It remains with Britain the only ready, willing and able counter force to bad actors on a global basis.


The world no longer trusts the US. With all the rhetoric coming from the Trump administration we simply can't be sure anymore that it wouldn't take such drastic action.


France also has the capability if it wishes. It has similar capabilities to the UK.


China will not relent in Xi’s lifetime and probably for generations beyond that. Given the right prospects Russia might, they are far closer to the West culturally. Which is why resolving the Ukranian tragedy is crucial…..but not easy. The emotions of war are embedded.

You can sort of argue Russia is culturally closer to the West than China is, but we are still along way of peaceful co-existence never mind any sort of Russia integration with the west. As long as Putin is there or if his successor is anything like him there is no chance of that. That's why it's crucial Putin can not be allowed win either militarily or achieve his aims in Ukraine with some highly favorable settlement that allows him to control Ukraine through coercion. All that would do is vindicate his view that the west is weak and embolden him to do the same thing again elsewhere. It would also send a message to China that the west was weak and would eventually cut a deal over Taiwan if the Chinese attacked it, they would just have to wait them out. If the idea with giving Putin a favorable deal in Ukraine is to draw him away from China, that's just deluded.


Trump’s words not his actions or potential actions have taken away from reality.


No his action's have had an effect. Such as cutting of foreign aid programs or the stopping of intelligence sharing to Ukraine.


Germany is not our enemy but nor is it very consequential in a geo political sense.


Germany is indeed not America's enemy and because of their history with the second world war and the cold war they have always simply opted to follow America's lead when it came to geo-politics. If the present course of world events leads to a more united and active Europe on the world stage, they might have the most influence over it.


The West will come together again at some point, the reality of our real threats will ensure that. In the meantime we need to be much smarter


As I said before the US has chosen to try to Brexit from planet earth. The remaining western aligned countries are still together. The US may decide to reserve course and rejoin maybe even resuming its leadership position, but it may not have the same power and influence over them it once did.


We need to be smarter? The US needs to be smarter. Stop trying to imply the rest of the western aligned world is also suffering from the same faux pas that the US is.











Apr 11, 2025, 14:23

"The US may decide to reserve course and rejoin maybe even resuming its leadership position, but it may not have the same power and influence over them it once did."


Why?


Are Europe suddenly gonna find 15 new aircraft carriers somewhere?



Apr 11, 2025, 14:39

Europe is importing an army of Muslim marauders, hang tight.

Apr 11, 2025, 14:51

The fact is that he firepower of the whole NATO other than the USA and Turkey are less than Turkey - which in fact built a new aircraft carrier themselves and the army numbers are more than the rest of NATO combined, So the war in Ukraine must continue for the benefit of St Zelenskyy and the USA must keep pumping money they have to borough into a war taht could have been prevented.


Turkey are closer allied to Russia than they are to NATO and NATO cannot count on Turkey to attack Russia. So the problem is that Turkey is not going happy with Hezbollah in Lebanon and the new terorist link Regime in Syria and may occupy both countries to ensure stability on its borders. When that happens the Israeli's would be under threat as well.


The world is very unstable at present and the site members wants to see continuation of the Ukraine war as if that is he only thing needed to sabiliae he unstable world,

Apr 11, 2025, 15:13

Because the trust has broken. The US just tried to economically blackmail nearly the whole planet at once, friend or foe, it didn't matter while also seemingly pushing for a peace in Ukraine that could potentially compromise European security.


No Europe is not going to produce 15 aircraft carries, it doesn't intend to take over as the world policeman.


Europe is going to build up its military to counter Russia, it doesn't necessarily need carriers to do that. All of Russia's naval bases (with the obvious exception of its Pacific base) are within strike range of European fighter jets. It's not like Russia is exactly a wash with carriers themselves either. What's going happen in the long run is Europe is going to move away from American supplied military equipment (the American's are already moaning about this)


If say in 10-15 years time Russia again attacks a European country, it won't be a Joe Biden directing the military response or a Donald Trump negotiating the peace, it will be the Europeans dictating the response.


Europe's only real other geopolitical concern is keeping sea lanes open around the Seuz Canal and the Red Sea. Sea power is required but I don't think you need 15 carriers for that either.



Apr 11, 2025, 15:39

Fifteen years from now if Russia attacks a country in Europe, NATO will respond and NATO will still be led by America.

Apr 11, 2025, 16:02

Unlikely that in 15 years, Russia has the demographics to invade Europe. Beside, Russia will be sitting in the fastest growiing part of the world, being deeply involved and being given a leading role in all of it. The more likely is that they will be more focused on preventing outer influence to ruin their increasing wealth.

Apr 11, 2025, 16:06

Are aircraft carriers of any uses against supersoinc missiles? Looks like they would be sitting ducks. At the moment, it is about learning from the battlefiedl and it does not show that aircraft carriers are any of a value.

Apr 11, 2025, 16:23

Maybe but America will have to have moved divisively away from Trumpism and rebuilt it's trust that it can be a reliable partner once more but it may already be too late for that. I don't think you quite understand how much distrust and ill-will Trump has generated over here.


Apr 11, 2025, 19:37

Well there are many possible ways this could play out…my guess is Europe is going to see a lot of Chinese products. If you are facing huge tariffs in one market, lower your original price and open up new markets. Which in turn has implications for European manufacturers.

Apr 11, 2025, 22:28

Trump will likely leave NATO this year. He plans to invade countries, some of which are NATO members.

Apr 12, 2025, 09:38

I don't think Trump can actually leave NATO without congresses backing which there isn't support for. What Trump can do is enact a defacto withdrawal by simply not having the US partake in any NATO activities which he is entitled to do.


At this point both Europe and Canada are operating on the assumption that America is already out the door.

Apr 12, 2025, 11:13

BS...only in your head...your extrapolating into hysterics...

Apr 12, 2025, 13:10

No hysterics, just reality.


Apr 12, 2025, 14:29

Your warped perception of reality isn't everyone's.

Apr 14, 2025, 17:19

Trump will likely leave NATO this year. He plans to invade countries, some of which are NATO members.


That was an interesting connundrum raised earlier on this board. If the US attack one NATO member, does the alliance system trigger to join the war against the US etc Very funny


Neverheless, Trump had never had the intention to leave NATO. The US are facing a large number of problems whem it comes to salvaging their hegemony over the world, most of them are contradictory and can not be solved without oen yielding to the other.


For example, the USD working as a world reserve currency. The US want other countries to hold large reserves in USD (differed consumption which frees room for US present time consumption) which means that the USD must be high enough so people cling to it in hope it will be worth something in the future. Yet the US would also want a low USD so they could favour exports. A USD both high and low. Liberals thrive in contradictions, it allows them to play both sides. Except that at some point, contradictino must be resolved.


Trump does not want to leave NATO. He reproaches the EU with not spending as much as they could on NATO with military equipement being largely US military equipment. That is a trade issue. NATO revealed lately that they expect European countries to dish their social security system and anything alike in favour of funding NATO. The consumption spent on social issues in Europe competes with the consumption of the US at large and should be allocated to armament so to spur US consumption. The US do not compete in Europe to provide social secutiry net, it is consumption that is out of the US reach as long as it exists so it must be shifted toward consumption favourable to the US.


Apr 14, 2025, 17:42

Commie bot.

Apr 14, 2025, 21:44

Trad has lots of thoughts, entertaining even if they are a total fantasy.

Apr 15, 2025, 07:45

Liberals live in fantasy. The current trade dispute has nothing to do with tariffs yet they keep insisting they are. And the main fantasy they have is that their word is all powerful, it is sufficient for them to say things so the things are. Magical thinking. Liberals do as they are. And every time they do as they are, it is very pleasing as it shows prediction.

Apr 15, 2025, 22:10

Bla, bla bla is shorter and says more.

 
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