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AB wanted to play in the World Cup 2019. I say Fuck you AB

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Jun 06, 2019, 10:19

You can't pick and choose when you feel like playing for South Africa like that.

Even though we are sucking at the moment, I'd have lost all respect for Faf and the rest of the fraternity had they chosen AB to go to the Cricket World Cup.

AB de Villiers made a remarkable last-ditch offer to come out of international retirement for this summer's World Cup, but it was turned down by the South Africa team management on the eve of their final squad announcement. Their thinking was that a recall would, among other things, be unfair to the squad that had been together for the past year since de Villiers announced his retirement.

ESPNcricinfo understands that the offer was made in April, just 24 hours before South Africa's selectors unveiled their final 15-man squad for the World Cup.

De Villiers is believed to have approached South Africa's captain Faf du Plessis, head coach Ottis Gibson and convenor of selectors Linda Zondi, expressing his desire to reverse his retirement, but was told that this would not be possible. According to people privy to the talks, de Villiers' request was "not even considered".

It is understood that there were two main reasons behind the team management and selectors' decision. Primarily, de Villiers had retired in May 2018, exactly a year before the World Cup was scheduled. Thereafter, he did not fulfil the selection criteria, which included playing South African domestic cricket or international cricket in the intervening months.

It was also felt that a recall for de Villiers would have been unfair on the players who have been performing in his absence, men such as Rassie van der Dussen, who made three fifties in his first four ODI innings after making his debut against Pakistan in January.

The revelation comes amid a calamitous start to South Africa's World Cup campaign, which has featured three defeats in a row - including Wednesday's six-wicket loss to India at the Hampshire Bowl - in addition to the loss of another of their all-time great players, Dale Steyn, who withdrew from the squad this week due to a shoulder injury.

South Africa may now need to win all six of its remaining group fixtures, starting with Monday's clash against West Indies in Southampton, just to give themselves a chance of reaching the World Cup semi-finals.

The situation has led many South African fans to demand an emergency recall for de Villiers, who made 9577 runs at 53.50 in his ODI career, including a world-record 31-ball hundred against West Indies in January 2015. The fact that he could indeed have been available to his country will add to the impression of a squad in the throes of another World Cup crisis.

Last year, in a video posted on Twitter, de Villiers called time on his 14-year international career with immediate effect, stating that he was "tired" and "running out of gas".

"For me, in green and gold, it must be everything or nothing," he said. "I will always be grateful to my team-mates, the coaches and the staff of Cricket South Africa for their support through all these years."

Although he turned 35 in February, he demonstrated his enduring class with 442 runs at 44.20 for Royal Challengers Bangalore in the recent IPL, and he is due to link up with Middlesex in the T20 Blast immediately after the World Cup.

More recently, however, de Villiers has been dropping hints that he would be willing to renege on his decision. Speaking on Indian TV in May, around the time of his World Cup offer, he stated: "I was keen to play in the World Cup, but I left, I retired.

"It was a very sensitive situation," he added. "For the last three years of my career, I was labelled as a guy who is picking and choosing when I was playing and when not. So I got quite a lot of criticism from back home, which also played a role in me retiring.

"And it was difficult for me to then go 'Hey, but I'll still play the World Cup'. It's that picking and choosing thing again, and it's quite arrogant to do something like that. But as they say, you can't have your bread buttered on both sides."


Jun 06, 2019, 11:32

I'm with you 100% Chippo.


There's no doubt AB would have been a great asset to the Proteas but there's a principle here and you can't set a precedent for the future where players pick and choose when they play.

Jun 06, 2019, 12:03

Rooinek has a point - but what about Amla and Duminy - they picked and chose when they would play and they were obviously not ready to play in the WC after playing virtually no cricket for virtually fie months   

I would rather have had De Villiers in the squad than those useless two. 

Jun 06, 2019, 12:19

Ou Maaik, there's no comparison . . . unless you can put up evidence of either Duminy or Amla retiring from the national team and then wanting back in just before a CWC.


Before you go off on a tangent about what a good batsman AB is and how useless Amla and Duminy are, no-one is disputing AB's talent and I think we all recognise how much value he would have added to the team . . . but they did the right thing by not considering his very late and very self-serving appeals to get back in. He brought this upon himself.

Jun 06, 2019, 12:55

Mike

Amla and Duminy didnt play, retire, play, retire and then ask to go to the world cup.

As per Rooi's comment... no one is doubting the class of de Villiers. But he cannot decide when he wants to retire, make a come back, retire and then choose when he wants to play.


Mike, I'm sure you have / had a beautiful wife...

But if she wanted to marry, divorce, marry, divorce... and then ask to get back together....
You'de tell he to fuck off.

Same with AB.

he can fuck off now.

Jun 06, 2019, 22:56

Right now AB must be laughing at the selectors and the fans like those on this string. Our players have no security from political interference, but they have to be loyal to a system that isn't loyal to them. I hope AB is knocking back an amber nick and not watching the Goons.

Leaving out AB was the moment the Proteas gave up all hope of succeeding at the WC. Mediocre but happy.

Jun 06, 2019, 23:13

Not quite.


Unless you're a slack-jawed half-wit, you'd recognise that leaving AB out of the squad wasn't based on his ability, it was based on his availablity . . . after he said that he no longer wanted to play for the national team. 

The selectors accepted his decision and respected his wishes to "spend more time with his family", so they picked the next best squad . . . only to be told just weeks before the tournament that AB had had a little rethink and was now suddenly available again . . . and they quite rightly responded that it was a bit late and they weren't prepared to drop a player who'd worked hard to make the squad for a prima donna who had ignored their clearly stated precondition that he play in the home series against Pakistan and Sri Lanka if he wanted to be considered for the CWC squad.

All perfectly transparent and above board. If you disagree then state the expectations and/or conditions required by the selectors that were unfair or unrealistic.

Jun 07, 2019, 02:09

No question of 'dropping a player' Crowd.....the team hadn't been named. Disappointing a player perhaps, but winners make tough choices. Here are the facts, educate yourself.

'Cricket specialist website ESPNcricinfo revealed on Thursday that De Villiers last month approached South African team management 24 hours before the Proteas team was named for the World Cup, informing them that he was willing to make a return.

The report added that South African team management turned down De Villiers' request.

Reasons behind the decision to turn down De Villiers are believed to be because he did not fulfil the selection criteria leading up to the squad announcement, which included playing South African domestic cricket or international cricket, and that a recall would have been unfair on the players who had been part of the team set-up.'

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As usual the stupid, inflexible dullards who run South African sport didn't have the nous to make an effective decision.....and the cost is huge. An average AB innings could have created a fighting chance in all 3 games.

Jun 07, 2019, 06:52

Let's reverse the scenario and let's say AB had been hypothetically invited by CSA to play in the WC but said no.....what would you say about him then?

ps

On Thursday, CSA convenor of selectors Linda Zondi released the following statement:

"I pleaded with AB de Villiers not to retire in 2018. Although there was a perception that he was picking and choosing when to play - which was not true - I did give him the option to plan and monitor his season to get him to the World Cup fresh and in a good space. We made it clear that he would have to play during the home tours against Sri Lanka and Pakistan to be considered for selection, instead he signed to play in the Pakistan and Bangladesh Premier Leagues respectively. He turned down the offer and said he was at peace with his decision to retire.


Jun 07, 2019, 08:48

AB and Rilee Rossouw are sorely needed here. 

I'd swap AB and Rilee for Duminy and Miller. 

Probably drop Amla too. I'd hoped he'd fire at the WC but he just hasnt.

Quintie 

Markham

Rilee

AB

Faf

V D Dussen

Andile

Philander/Morris

Kagiso

Ngidi

Tahir




Jun 07, 2019, 20:49

It's not a religious order....it's a cricket team. Think Chariots of Fire and the religious objections of Eric Liddell....his refusal to bow to the Prince of Wales. But nobody dug their heels in and allowed themselves 'room to maneuver'.

This is amateurish bungling.

Jun 07, 2019, 22:35

I didn't bother reading this thread...I'm glad CSA did not cave to cricket prostitution.  AB is probably the best bat SA ever produced...Graham Pollock included, but unlikr Graham he was rather weak in the head and selfish to boot. He gave SA the finger for 2 years, just to turn everything around and try and sneak a spot in the team on 99. Go to hell AB...opportunist wanker!

Jun 08, 2019, 18:15

This thread provides a perfect explanation of why a potentially great country has ended up on the path to being a banana republic. Totally conviction about being right and punishing the talented maverick who wont comply with the volk.

Mental lemmings......whether it be politics or sport.

Jun 09, 2019, 02:42

To be quite frank AB should have been picked - but he gave the SA Cricket team the "up yours" and went on a money earning spree.   That did not help his case at all/   After all why waited until a day before the selection was made tio approach the team mangament requesting that he be included?   Why not approach them before the IPL started and why not play in one or two of the ODI's and the T20I's. 

He captained the Titans team in the Mzanzi series and his own and team performances was not up to standard,   Sorry he is not in the squad for the Proteas - but he could have been if he turned up before the end of January and said he changed his mind - why wait for the last day before the team announcement?    

Jun 09, 2019, 18:20

Please  note that AB retired in 2018 and thus giving CSA more than a year to find a replacement for him. He left the situation as is right up to the last moment and when he realised that the team is running thin on batters, he made himself available.

There should not be any financial reason for his behaviour. He is still contracted to the IPL and it is common knowledge that he got a small fortune for his participation in the IPL.

But CSA did not want to omit any selected player and used this as an excuse not to include AB. However, CSA got an opportunity to call on AB when Dale Steyn had to withdraw, but  they still refused. Yes, I know it is not ideal to replace a bowler with a batter, but in the case of AB, it is a different, but justifiable scenario.

I would most certainly not say Fuck you AB, but rather Fuck you CSA.  

Jun 09, 2019, 20:25

Well said Blikkies.

Jun 09, 2019, 21:38

BS, AB was always the opportunist...even more egotistical than KP. He knew full and well what he was doing for almost 2 years...he deliberately burned his bridges...and then tried to turn it around? A high end hooker is still a prostitute. 

Jun 09, 2019, 22:20

Who cares, it's not a morality play.....AB has done nothing illegal, immoral or ruthless. He is a professional sportsman, who saw his country sell out the team in 2016. So he understood it was a marriage of convenience.

These tournaments come around only every four years......but given the woeful crop of youngsters this may have been our last shot ever. And we wont be a little bit flexible?

Lunacy.

Jun 10, 2019, 00:34

Draad,

Make sure you know all the facts before you accuse people. ... like AB and KP being egotistical.

I agree KP comes across as egotistical on the tv, but is his side also always presented? I believe an egotistical person will have this characteristic in all forms of life.  I can assure you that it is for KP not the case. I know he is ploughing millions of his money back into nature conservation and I saw a video clip where he sets out his plans to support rhino and other endangered species here in the Kruger Park.

Jun 10, 2019, 04:24

Hoor, Hoor Blikkies.

Only just last week I sat watching a re-run of that infamous Klusener/Donald run-out hosted by Mark Waugh and Gilchrist, Mark commented that the Protea approach was rigid .......just thinking perhaps his comment applies to the AB case as well.

Jun 10, 2019, 04:27

And if AB is egotistical( I don't believe he is) then perhaps that's what is needed to produce great batsmen instead of a bunch of nice guys wrapped in mediocrity.

Jun 10, 2019, 10:39

"If AB is egotistical." 

I bloody hope he is. Else what's it all for? Why be a legend if you can't act like one?

If he was available then he should have been here. 


Jun 10, 2019, 11:07

Plum.

In attitude there is little difference between Tiger and AB......both have an unbelievable belief in the self. All of the very best sports champions had it...McEnroe, Connors, Borg, Ali, the list just goes on and on.....and when you look at the average/ mediocre player......what's the first thing one notices that's missing? And quite often these guys aren't popular.....but they win.

 
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