SA Record in ODI's against Australia and the impact thereof

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Mar 07, 2020, 19:48

Since 2016 SA played 12 ODI's against Australia and the results were as follows:-


SA Wins               =     11

Australia win        =       1


10 if the games were in SA or Australia - one was in the West Indies (Bridgetown)  and one in Manchester.


The only game the Aussies won in that period against SA was in Hobart, Tasmania.  They won the game by a narrow margin.   The games the Proteas win was routinely by very big margins,   


So why did the Proteas do so well against the Aussies in that facet of the game and why did the performances against everybody else was so putrid in the season before the WC and in the WC itself?


I believe the answer is relatively simple - up to the early part of 2018 the Proteas benefited from three great performers in AB de Villiers, Amla and Du Plessis.  The problem started with the retirement pf AB from all international cricket in May 2017 and the fact that performance-wise the bottom fell out of the performances of Amla and Faf.   The squad selection remained putrid with the squads in the main being made up of have-beens and never-have beens.   In the WC there was only one relatively good contributor amongst the newer payers - namely Van der Dussen - the rest was poor to putrid.


So since December we played England in all formats of the game and Australia in ODI's and T20I's/  Let face facts the Proteas was putrid against England in all formats of the game.  When looking at the squad selection it was evident why the bottom fell out of the team.   The same happened in the T20I  games against Australia.  However. the ODI squad against Australia was the reason for the improvement.   The selectors brought back Klaasen into the squad after he did not do well in earlier games,   He was a massive success and that was of great value in the three ODI's and by a wide margin scored the most runs in the 3 ODI's.   


They also brought on board Janneman Malan and Verreinne - two players who were replacing failed players of the past.  In the series Malan was the second highest run scorer - even though eh scored a duck in the first ODI.  Vereimne despite a failure in the second ODI did much better than the players he replaced did.


The other contributing factor was that SA Cricket was in chaos and as a result the coaching was totally neglected,   With Smith as Director of Cricket and Boucher as Head Coach some players already showed vast improvement om performance as well,   


                     


         

 

Mar 08, 2020, 01:06

Or they were playing at home against a mediocre and disinterested Aussie team...let’s reserve judgement.

Mar 08, 2020, 01:24

Mozart

BS - I discussed the factual situation over the past 4 years.  If the Aussies was disinterested they must have been disinterested for the past 4 years.   Where is the mediocrity in the Aussie team?

However,  I accept that logical discussion is not one of your strong points - BS is,    

   

Mar 08, 2020, 06:48

Well as usual you are wrong....since 2016  there have been 15 ODIs against Australia, of which we won 12, lost 2 and 1 was undecided. And of those 15 ODIs 4 were on neutral ground, 3 in Oz and 8 in South Africa...something you obviously missed. 

So after correcting your mistakes, the obvious answer to your question is we played them mostly at home.

How’s that for logic Wanker you moron?

Mar 08, 2020, 08:53

I followed on what was on the TV repeatedly during the ODI yesterday and they claimed there were 12.   When were the 4 games on neutral grounds dimness?   

Anyway wat is clear is that the Aussies seldom beat SA in the shorter versions of the game,    When we consider that even in the WC last year SA, SA managed to lose 6 of the 9 games played and ended up as no 7 on the log a very real picture  emerged - especially since one of the victoriues was against Australia..   Before the WC series we also had poor local series against Bangla Desh and Sri Lanka.

The fact is the deductions are clear,  SA cricket went into crisis in the last 18  months and  the reasons were clear,  The fact is that the team was let down  by players like  Du Plessis, Amla and Steyn,    For instance -

*   Steyn was in the WC squad and never played a game because off injury - he recently was in a squad series again and played in only one game because he obviously was not matchfit;

*   Amla had a strike rate of 64 which in ant shortened version of the game represents a death penalty insofar as winning of games are concerned amd SA was lucky - he was not in the game against Australia - if he was we would have not won the game because of the atrtociopus strtie rate and poor fielding performances; and

*    even though Du Plessis was still reasonably good in the WC - in subsequent fames in all formats of cricket he was shit poor.

Since September 2019 SA had a record of performances that could best be descirbned is totally shocking.   The only series that SA drew was in the 720I games in Indioa where they played India in 2 games and won 1 of those - the third game to be played was washed out.   The only series won was the last ODI series against Australia.   In both series there was one notable absentee - Faf du  Plessis.

In the scenario the poor performances by players mentioned  was NOT the only reason for the losses.   The coaching was non-existent and the squad selection total BS.   Take for instance your new hero Klaasen.   He was before the Aussie series in 14 ODI's in 14  ODI's with an average point tally of 22 runs per game - in the process  making 2 fifties,  He was for two years in the IPL and was not of any value there - for instance this year he was not contracted by any of the IPL teams because his performances were so poor,   The fact is at the start of the Aussie series he was not selectable at all because of his poor performance record for the Proteas and the other teams he played for,   One can only tribute his performances against the Aussies to a huge improvement in coaching by people like Boucher and Kallis as batting coach.  be it as it may - he roved o be an inspired selection made by Boucher amd we are all thankful for that,

There are still duds n the various quads that needs to be eliminated in future.   However, Malan should have been in the squads much earlier than he was,  Same as with Verreine.   

One of the reasons we lost the series against England and won the one against autralia had to do with Du Plessis.   Think about that for a change.         .    

       

   

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Mar 08, 2020, 08:53

I followed on what was on the TV repeatedly during the ODI yesterday and they claimed there were 12.   When were the 4 games on neutral grounds dimness?   

Anyway wat is clear is that the Aussies seldom beat SA in the shorter versions of the game,    When we consider that even in the WC last year SA, SA managed to lose 6 of the 9 games played and ended up as no 7 on the log a very real picture  emerged - especially since one of the victoriues was against Australia..   Before the WC series we also had poor local series against Bangla Desh and Sri Lanka.

The fact is the deductions are clear,  SA cricket went into crisis in the last 18  months and  the reasons were clear,  The fact is that the team was let down  by players like  Du Plessis, Amla and Steyn,    For instance -

*   Steyn was in the WC squad and never played a game because off injury - he recently was in a squad series again and played in only one game because he obviously was not matchfit;

*   Amla had a strike rate of 64 which in ant shortened version of the game represents a death penalty insofar as winning of games are concerned amd SA was lucky - he was not in the game against Australia - if he was we would have not won the game because of the atrtociopus strtie rate and poor fielding performances; and

*    even though Du Plessis was still reasonably good in the WC - in subsequent fames in all formats of cricket he was shit poor.

Since September 2019 SA had a record of performances that could best be descirbned is totally shocking.   The only series that SA drew was in the 720I games in Indioa where they played India in 2 games and won 1 of those - the third game to be played was washed out.   The only series won was the last ODI series against Australia.   In both series there was one notable absentee - Faf du  Plessis.

In the scenario the poor performances by players mentioned  was NOT the only reason for the losses.   The coaching was non-existent and the squad selection total BS.   Take for instance your new hero Klaasen.   He was before the Aussie series in 14 ODI's in 14  ODI's with an average point tally of 22 runs per game - in the process  making 2 fifties,  He was for two years in the IPL and was not of any value there - for instance this year he was not contracted by any of the IPL teams because his performances were so poor,   The fact is at the start of the Aussie series he was not selectable at all because of his poor performance record for the Proteas and the other teams he played for,   One can only tribute his performances against the Aussies to a huge improvement in coaching by people like Boucher and Kallis as batting coach.  be it as it may - he roved o be an inspired selection made by Boucher amd we are all thankful for that,

There are still duds n the various quads that needs to be eliminated in future.   However, Malan should have been in the squads much earlier than he was,  Same as with Verreine.   

One of the reasons we lost the series against England and won the one against autralia had to do with Du Plessis.   Think about that for a change.      But then comprehensive thinking seems to be impossible in your case.        .    

       

   

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Mar 08, 2020, 14:58

The World Cup In England last year at Old Trafford and  3 matches in the West Indies in the Tri Series one of  which was abandoned as noted above......got it Pervert?



Mar 08, 2020, 18:17

Anyway the number of games was not the issue - the issue was why SA often beat Australia and in the immediate previous ODI series SA lost against England,  why did that happen BSter?   Tome to start thinking about the reasons?   Only an idiot would realize there was a serious need for looking at the reason for the turnaround,

However, that type of thing is beyond your mental capacity and your understanding of the game            

Mar 09, 2020, 03:54

Anyway what you screwed up suddenly isn’t the issue ....what a pathetic bore you are Wanker.

 
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