Three lives were not enough

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Jan 19, 2020, 18:16

Die Ock, who should have been out  three times yesterday ....was totally bamboozled by a bit of movement today. And out twice for almost no runs. 


The ball by Curren that bowled him through gate exposed his fatal technical weakness.


The catch off Root, exposed his mental weakness....a pure 'who gives a damn' shot.


The idea that this talented but flawed player could successfully captain the Proteas is delusional. He will get some big scores when the pressure, as he feels it, is off....and the ball isn't moving. But if either of those conditions don't hold....he will look  like he did today. He is a 'pile it on' option and the best we have at wicket keeper for the moment....we should take what he gives us and not imagine there's more.

Jan 19, 2020, 22:07

Mozart

Your logic apparently is that De Kock is the problem in the batting lime up of the Proteas,   Why start one of your BS threads about him and not make suggestions about  the real problems in the team?  

Who else do you want as captain or do you ant to retain the failing Du Plessis?   The last time De Lock captained the Proteas was in the T20 series against India  where they won the series 2-0, with one match being rained out.   If you think there is no pressure in game sin India you must be kidding.      


Jan 19, 2020, 23:44

T20, hit  and miss cricket....now that suits de Ock. Test captain? Not unless he picks up about 30  IQ points. But hey maybe that's the plan and they are training him on the Rubix Cube.

Jan 19, 2020, 23:59

De Kock is a wonderful batsman. Scores runs against all opponents. But he is brain dead. He got special permission to leave school before matric to focus on cricket. It shows. He can’t concentrate and apply himself for more than 90 minutes at the crease.

Having said that, he is our best batsman at the moment. Any keeper that averages 40 can be considered an all rounder.

Jan 20, 2020, 08:09

Mozart

How would you feel if you are the no 6 batsmen and in tests after test you come in to bat when the score is 70/4 or less  and then it is expected from you to bat and try and save the test every time after time,   He is thoroughly demoralized by the shit he has to put up with by now, 

You are talking kak as per normal.   I ask whether Du Plessis - who failed in test after test thus far this series in batting and everything else should be retained in the team and you did not answer the question.   Du Plessis is a specialist batsman who in 6 innings  batted made 113 runs at an average  of 18,8 runs per innings.  Is that good enough on any level of cricket dimness,   

If you answer is YES live with it and stop  your BS about De Kock and rather spend time in defending the BS you preach on site,   If NO who the hell should be the captain dimness idiot on site?

Jan 20, 2020, 20:39

Oh rubbish....if he comes in and scores when all others have failed.....he is a hero. There is zero pressure. This victim card stuff is nonsense....Okkie has trouble with pressure and movement, not the failure of his mates. In the classical loser  way that's not his problem.

Ock is the poster child for Protea choking.


Jan 20, 2020, 21:14

And Mozart is the poster child for no nothing about cricket idiots whose main contribution is Idiot Speak,    

Jan 20, 2020, 23:01

I’d take de Kock over any keeper we have ever had. Boucher is a close second.

de Kock showed in the last test that he can build an innings and had no issue with the ball moving.

Problem with him is that you never know what you are getting. For the most he looks to attack which is always susceptible to being exposed.

For this reason I retract my agreement that he should bat at 4, he needs to stay at 6 and play his natural game 

He is pure class 

Jan 20, 2020, 23:41

So if De Kock is not a suitable captain then who is?....Bavuma?....by the sound of things he's in the frame.

Jan 20, 2020, 23:53

I’d go with Markram despite current form as he is the real deal

Bavuma has just not made it at test level which is frustrating as he sure looks the part

Had he been early 20’s I’d say invest and hope he comes good but he is closing in on 30 - no point 

Jan 21, 2020, 00:56

There really isn't a standout to be honest and the quota choice looms large. Markram would have been a cinch but for his underperformances.

Jan 21, 2020, 01:02

Yeah agreed 

It’s going to be interesting to see what the future holds

Are Smith and Boucher going to change things around are they going insist on the right to select the players they see taking us forward otherwise what’s the point 

Jan 21, 2020, 01:22

Mate, I have a bleak view for the future of Protea cricket, unusual because I'm normally optimistic, positive and accommodating. 

The future has been set in stone by the ANC and their policy is sealed by the relevant sporting administrators. The ANC doesn't seriously care whether the team wins, they pretend they do but no they don't. Their only care is the numbers of black players that make up the team. Mediocrity is fine.

Evidence of this is everywhere but there's one comment that rings in my head, the one made by an ANC polly soon after the RWC win......he said something to the effect that with regard to Transformation there was a long way to go. FFS the Boks had just won the WC! That is a reflection of ANC priority.  If by some strange coincidence the team wins with the mandated quota total they then smile and congratulate themselves that their policy works.

I feel sorry for Bouch and Smithie, both honest operators, they don't have a snowballs hope in an Ozzie fire. Both are honest operators surrounded by snakes and deviates.

Jan 21, 2020, 01:41

I hear you bud but let’s take the quota out of the equation and look at the performance of all the white boys in the side, they are failing.

I read somewhere that quotas was an issue with our shit poor u19 side, but more than half the bats in that side are white and are shit.

I think in the past we could look at players of colour as quotas as under prepared and weaker players were pushed into the sides to widow dress an appease the politicians

With opportunities far more equal these days but not quite there yet, players of colour are now as good as their white boy team mates.

There are as many crap white players as there are black

Just typing this makes my blood boil - why the fuck do we still have to mention the colour of people’s skin - it’s madness and so sad but unfortunately still prevalent 





Jan 21, 2020, 05:00

Dave I hear you but let's not split hairs on the issue. What we see in our representative sides is the finished product of a racist system. My view of the system is of one that has long and wide tentacles, it goes a lot deeper than the finished product. 

To cut a long story short, take Rilee Rossouw as an example, there are others, perhaps even guys like Kevin Peterson or Adriaan Strauss. White guys who saw the writing on the wall and said cya later. The message from the ANC is loud and clear......we don't want you if you are white. So what incentive is there for any white kid to play when he feels rejected because of his pigmentation. We could get away with it in the past but we're paying the penalty for losing the last layer and the layer previous to that.

Digging deeper, what happened to the intellectual property which produced fine players over the decades? Just bye the bye.....since re-admission they haven't produced a single black batsman of world class standard.....plenty of bowlers as we know but zippo batsmen.

Another question ....who controls our coaching? Has it become a case of the blind leading the blind as we see in other areas of everyday South African modus operandi? Black people are encouraged to take over....and they do..... regardless of whether they are suitably qualified or competent enough.

Scroll foward to the playing field and we see gemors in our youngsters......the question is why the fall in standards? For a population boasting 50 million it's damn bloody sad that they're scratching for half decent players.

One other thing, there is intellectual property in Barry Richards and Clive Rice etc.....they've been swept to the side.....how dumb was that!

Jan 21, 2020, 07:49

Got lots of time for Quintie but no way in hell is he skipper material.

I'd rather give it to Rassie...if I had to.

Jan 21, 2020, 11:38

Good call Denny and so true 

Talking about Barry Richards - a good friend of mine is on honeymoon in SA at the moment and bumped into Barry Richards at a restaurant in Knysna - had his photo taken with the legend.

He then went on to the Kruger and not only saw a leopard, but saw a pair mating!,

He is soooo jammy 

Jan 21, 2020, 12:26

Wow! Meeting Barry is  awesome. My son in law met and spoke with my hero....Viv. Bloody hell, why not me?

Here's one for you......

So you the only one in a lift, the lift stops, guess who gets in.....

Bryan Habana

How would you react?


Jan 21, 2020, 12:34

I don’t do the star struck thing so I’d definitely say hello and thank him for all the memorable moments!

He comes across so well and is clearly a bright button 

Jan 21, 2020, 12:36

I was shocked, said hi and nothing else.....:'(

When are you off to SA?

We'll be there for a wedding in the last week of May.

Jan 21, 2020, 12:41

Dave

The quota system problems stem from the school cricket teams and essentially the fact that when schools play in provincial competitions they only allow 4 White players in the provincial side,   That limits the choice of White players for the country Under 19 team very much because a lot of potential players are never considered for selection.   This apply to both the batsmen and the bowlers.   In essence it also mean that the limited number of Whites are selected from could  and I am afraid does lead to the selection of selection of poor to average layers to play or the Under 19 SA team.

How many potentially good players does not reach the provincial side because of the extreme limitation in White players is anybody's guess.   They may take a bowler and three batsmen for each provincial side, but how many good players does not fall by the wayside as a result if the limitation of school players inevitably result in good players eft out,  

The whole story leads to children losing interest in cricket as a sport and drag down the quality of cricket plated by the provincial school sides.    Ibn the whole cricket scenario as a school sport became a farce in SA and quality is going down rapidly.        

Jan 21, 2020, 12:41

Dave

The quota system problems stem from the school cricket teams and essentially the fact that when schools play in provincial competitions they only allow 4 White players in the provincial side,   That limits the choice of White players for the country Under 19 team very much because a lot of potential players are never considered for selection.   This apply to both the batsmen and the bowlers.   In essence it also mean that the limited number of Whites are selected from could  and I am afraid does lead to the selection of selection of poor to average layers to play or the Under 19 SA team.

How many potentially good players does not reach the provincial side because of the extreme limitation in White players is anybody's guess.   They may take a bowler and three batsmen for each provincial side, but how many good players does not fall by the wayside as a result if the limitation of school players inevitably result in good players eft out,  

The whole story leads to children losing interest in cricket as a sport and drag down the quality of cricket plated by the provincial school sides.    Ibn the whole cricket scenario as a school sport became a farce in SA and quality is going down rapidly.        

Jan 21, 2020, 12:46

Thinking of going for Christmas and spend the whole of January there 

When did you bump into Bryan?

Jan 21, 2020, 12:48

Geez Mike I did not know that only 4 white players are allowed in each side that is beyond pathetic 

How come does this not apply to provincial schools rugby sides?

Jan 21, 2020, 13:56

Dave it applies to provincial school sides and even predominantly white schools with very few other children are in the quota dwang too.     

Jan 21, 2020, 14:31

That does not apply in schools rugby as I have watched school teams play each other on you tube and I watched the U19 inter provincial rugby competition on Facebook where the teams still had plenty of whites in their sides

All the traditional Afrikaans schools are all still 95% white like Affies, Monument, Grey etc

Jan 21, 2020, 14:37

The Quoteas .... the very definition of pathetic... this same English team were destroyed by NZ ... and NZ is crap

Jan 22, 2020, 02:36

Mike thanx for the info. The situation is even worse than I thought.

 
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