There’s another dozen moronic utterances, “Help is on the way” ……”Take over your country “…just to name a couple, a natural fool who effortlessly embarrasses himself
There’s another dozen moronic utterances, “Help is on the way” ……”Take over your country “…just to name a couple, a natural fool who effortlessly embarrasses himself
What deal ae you talking about an what is really the background to the above, So another attack of total idiocy by you is obvious.
Donald has found the Achilles heel…the straits. A few more months and the oil will have to be switched off. Gentle pressure with few lives lost except for the tragic school misshap. If he is ultimately successful the crow will flow.
"Donald has found the Achilles heel…the straits."
There's delusional . . . there's bonkers delusional . . . and then there's this.
Bozo was warned that Iran would close the Straits of Hormuz and chose to ignore the warnings, believing that his strikes alone would subdue Iran. Now when Iran did exactly what he was warned they would do, he started off saying "who knew" as if it was a big surprise and then started bleating about the NATO countries helping to open them . . . help that he previously claimed wasn't necessary.
No-one underestimated the inportance of the Straits of Hormuz like Bozo . . . so to read someone saying that he's "found the Achilles heel" is nothing short of astounding. How brainwashed can you be to think this is something he's discovered all by himself?
The mid-terms are approaching, and Trump's approval ratings continue to decline. I do not see them going below 30% because of the ever faithful MAGA that likes Trump's brand of authoritarianism.
However, Trump has lost the independents, about a third of the population.
So, time is running out for the Republicans, with just 5 months until the mid-terms.
Trump is not going to end this war soon, unless he accepts some totally embarrassing deal.
This bumbling idiot ended the Obama deal, and replaced it with nothing. That caused Iran to start the process of building nukes. Iran have said they will accelerate this, if they Trump attacks again. It could take them 4 months to have an operational nuke - just in time for the mid-terms.
Fans of Trump will say that the Obama deal never solved anything, and only kicked the problem into the future. However, the plan proposed by Trump that was not accepted by Iran, just did the same. It banned nuclear enrichment for a set period of time. (Something like 5 years longer than Obama).
"Bozo was warned that Iran would close the Straits of Hormuz and chose to ignore the warnings, believing that his strikes alone would subdue Iran."
So I ran should be allowed to threaten international terrorism on the whole world everytime they don't get their way? Nah ..screw that, it's time to call their bluff and force them to comply...
Donald has found the Achilles heel…the straits. A few more months and the oil will have to be switched off. Gentle pressure with few lives lost except for the tragic school misshap. If he is ultimately successful the crow will flow.
If the Strait of Hormuz is closed for three months, it triggers a catastrophic global energy and economic crisis. Because nearly \(20\%\) of the world's petroleum passes through this narrow Iranian choke point, a three-month shutdown causes massive supply shortages and severe worldwide ramifications. [1, 2, 3, 4]
1. The Energy Shock
2. Supply Chain & Trade Breakdown
3. Economic & Industrial Consequences
Shamepies ... ffs. get a grip TZees
invest in a pair of earplugs, Trump’s fan club has had nothing to cheer throughout the war so I expect a crescendo of applause if he scores a long overdue win from the most powerful nation and best military in the world.
That said nothing will change the fact that the Clown bungled his way from the start of over 3 months ago to when the war ends.
one of my favourite US political pundits
So I ran should be allowed to threaten international terrorism on the whole world everytime they don't get their way? Nah ..screw that, it's time to call their bluff and force them to comply...
International terrorism... Nothing less.
It is very funny because terrorism is the use of terror to meet political goals.
Which is what the US have been doing with their string of political assassination.
Which was endorsed on this board as liberals proclaim that people who are now in charge of Iran should lived in fear as they know they are next in line.
Very funny.
so to read someone saying that he's "found the Achilles heel" is nothing short of astounding. How brainwashed can you be to think this is something he's discovered all by himself?
I’m trying to understand this. I say the Donald has found their Achilles heel and you think that means I don’t know he was advised everyday on alternative tactics?
So when somebody writes Hitler took France, do you also believe the claim is he did it by himself. Or perhaps more to the point when somebody says Biden created the American Rescue Plan, he came up with that all by himself?
I'm saying the Straits of Hormuz have proven to be Bozo's Achilles heel, not Iran's.
If you think Bozo has turned the Straits into anyone's Achilles heel then I'm suggesting you're delusional.
Clear now?
How brainwashed can you be to think this is something he's discovered all by himself?
So I guess you are implying he only came across this tactic because Iran did it first. I doubt it, that was probably presented to him as a tactic way before the war started. What Iran did was legitimize the reverse tactic.
Bozo has turned the Straits into anyone's Achilles heel then I'm suggesting you're delusional.
Not anyone’s ….Iran. Their revenues are significantly effected and the storage issue grows by the week.There is a point where this won’t be sustainable.
Of course there is the global energy issue which creates its own pressure back on the US and politics amplifies this. Whether the US can sustain the policy is unclear…..nonetheless, it is putting huge pressure on Iran without the deaths of the first few weeks.
The weakness .. or Achilles heel…in Iran’s strategy of closing the Straits clinically exposed
"Not anyone’s ….Iran. "
You can ad China ...all that cheap sanctioned oil ...hell of an competitive edge...
Nero fiddles while Rome burns ...
So I guess you are implying he only came across this tactic because Iran did it first. I doubt it, that was probably presented to him as a tactic way before the war started. What Iran did was legitimize the reverse tactic.
Seems to me a counter blockade wasn't something that was seriously considered before the war began. Iran implemented their blockade from March 1st, the US implemented their counter blockade on April 13th. If it was something the US had considered before the war as a counter to Iran possibly blockading the Straights, or they intended to do it all along and were simply waiting for Iran to do it to legitimize the tactic in reserve, then why did they wait almost a month and a half before implementing it?
Also, they didn't really need a way of legitimizing the tactic, as a blockade is an action considered legal during a war. But then again, no one really considers this war legally justifiable.
Given the Trump administration's chaotic handling of this war, it's far more likely this was something they came up with when they felt that they could neither bomb Iran into submission, prevent Iran retaliating against critical infrastructure in the Gulf or could they reopen the Straights of Hormuz without taking significant risks.
Not anyone’s ….Iran. Their revenues are significantly effected and the storage issue grows by the week.There is a point where this won’t be sustainable.
Of course there is the global energy issue which creates its own pressure back on the US and politics amplifies this. Whether the US can sustain the policy is unclear…..nonetheless, it is putting huge pressure on Iran without the deaths of the first few weeks.
The weakness .. or Achilles heel…in Iran’s strategy of closing the Straits clinically exposed
We don't know that.
The problem with this strategy is that it assumes Iran will collapse once they run out of money. The first issue is that we don't know how long that will be. I'm seen suggestions of it taking anywhere from two to six months. But even if we get to that point, we can't assume the Iranian regime will just throw in the towel or the people will rise up and overthrow them. Just as in January, the regime may crack down very heavily on any internal uprising. There is also the possibility the people simply won't rise up even if they want to out of fear.
Meanwhile, I've seen economists predict a global recession if the blockade lasts into August.
Iran can not get their way with this...pity the rest of the world is so pathetically weak on this ...Iran is threatening the whole world's economy because they can't get their own way....have been doing so for a very long time ..enough is enough...it has to stop...keep the straight closed until they give...the rest of the world will adapt...
Iran can not get their way with this...pity the rest of the world is so pathetically weak on this
Never ever never, blame the batshit evil mad unqualified bastard.
Ou Bob...forget about Trump for the moment...Iran murdered 30K of their own people just a few months ago...but Trump is BATSHIT... you're full of shit...
Never ever never, blame the batshit evil mad unqualified bastard.
It's mental isn't it. Zero introspection. It's never their teams fault, they never have to take responsibility when something goes predictably wrong.
Zapiro, world-class
Never ever never, blame the batshit evil mad unqualified bastard.
It's mental isn't it. Zero introspection. It's never their teams fault, they never have to take responsibility when something goes predictably wrong
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And yet this morning we have this from the NewYork Times:
While Mr. Trump has repeatedly suggested that an agreement was near, the comments from the three Iranian officials were among the strongest signs since a cease-fire took effect early last month that the two sides may be moving closer to a deal.
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Many a slip betwixt the cup and the lip and it would be foolish to declare victory. But a bit more positive than those who not only have declared defeat but are ecstatic whenever they have another talking head who says so,
And yet this morning we have this from the NewYork Times:
While Mr. Trump has repeatedly suggested that an agreement was near, the comments from the three Iranian officials were among the strongest signs since a cease-fire took effect early last month that the two sides may be moving closer to a deal.
How does that address the point we were making?. Is it an admission of responsibility for the serious negatives this war with Iran has already produced?
Many a slip betwixt the cup and the lip and it would be foolish to declare victory. But a bit more positive than those who not only have declared defeat but are ecstatic whenever they have another talking head who says so,
After it became clear that Iranian would not be defeated militarily from just an air campaign alone and they enacted their blockade, some form of negotiated deal was always the most likely scenario. Obviously the content of such a deal will determine which side will be considered to have come out of this conflict stronger or the winner so to speak
From from the bits I've gathered about the latest negotiations, it looks like it contains the following.
An extension of the ceasefire by 60 days.
Hostilities will be paused on all fronts, including Israel and Lebanon.
An end of both blockades.
Iran will not charge ships any tolls.
Iran will clear the Straights of any mines it laid.
Some Iranian assets will be unfrozen.
Iran will be permitted to sell it's oil freely.
Iran will commit to ongoing negotiation's over the nuclear issue.
There appears to nothing in the deal so far about Iran's ballistic missiles or curbing it's support for it's regional allies.
So mostly it looks like returning to the pre-war status quo for the time but with Iran now able to sell it's oil freely.
What will happen next is that the US and Iran will come to some kind of an agreement where US forces withdraw from the region while Iran open up the Straits, with talks around Iran's enriched uranium being scheduled for some time in the future.
Trumpanzees will treat this news as some kind of victory and they will babble on about what a great deal Bozo has negotiated . . . even though what it will effectively mean is that Bozo spent $30bn, countless lives were lost, more billions of dollars worth of infrastructure was destroyed and the price of oil has precipitated a global recession . . . just to get back to where we started before Operation Epic Fail began.
Trumpanzees will probably demand Bozo is given the Nobel Peace Prize for ending the utterly pointless war that he started.
I consider it highly unlikely the American's will withdraw from the region but yeah it looks like the enriched uranium question is going be kicked down the road for a few months.
Obviously we don't know if a deal will be reached yet or what the final terms will be, but if the latest reports are to be believed it will at least stop the damage to the global economy from getting any worse, though I don't believe we have yet seen the full effect of what's already occurred yet either.
So far what are the known outcomes.
Iran's Airforce and Navy have been degraded. This must be caveated by the fact that they were never considered Iran's primary threat. And while Iran's dedicated military vessels have mostly been destroyed that hasn't removed it's capability of mining the Straights.
Iran's nuclear program has not been significantly set back any further from where it was before the war, with a breakout time of about a year still considered most likely.
Iran's missile and drones stocks significantly reduced, but according to recent US intelligence reports they can rebuild the drone capability within 6 months.
Iran has lost/used up somewhere between 40-60% of its ballistic missile capability and that will take between 18 and 36 months to rebuild.
Iran has demonstrated the willingness and capability to effectively close the Straights of Hormuz.
It's also demonstrated it has the capability of targeting critical infrastructure of neighbouring Gulf countries.
Iran has also demonstrated the limits of what both the US and Israel's airpower can achieve on it's own.
While it was never remotely in the realms of possibility that Iran could defeat the US military, it did demonstrate a surprising ability to inflict significant damage on US military bases in the region.
The war has strained relations between the US and the the Gulf and further strained relations between the US and Europe.
That isn't even looking at the consequences to the global economy or what it's done to global food security.
So mostly it looks like returning to the pre-war status quo for the time but with Iran now able to sell it's oil freely.
Not a bad thing at all.
So if it is returning to the pre-war status quo, what has been achieved?
That school was bombed, along with many other civilians. For once, it has made Iran look like they are not the bad guy.
Trump wants the war to end at all costs because it is getting close to the midterms. He will accept any deal to kick this into the future.
The Obama deal was better; it was working. The only way to be 100% sure Iran can't develop nukes is by nuking them and wiping them off the face of the Earth - as Trump said.
So if it is returning to the pre-war status quo, what has been achieved?
Yeah... I mean the US could of just allowed Iran to sell their oil freely without having to have resorted to triggering a war with them and all the days side for the world economy that entailed.
And if it's not a bad thing after all, are people like Draad okay with the Iranian regime getting a potential considerable new source of revenue some of which could be used to fund Iran's nuclear and ballistic missile programs or potentially could be routed to support their proxy forces in the Middle East.
I mean if that's the case fine, but it seems a bit hypocritical when Trump supporters have in the past been highly critical of deals Obama and Biden did with Iran which financially rewarded Iran.
HOLY CRAP Trump actually accomplished a miracle. Here is what he got out of Iran:
- Reduce its stockpile of enriched uranium by about 98%
- Limit uranium enrichment to 3.67% purity (far below weapons-grade)
- Cut the number of installed centrifuges by roughly two-thirds
- Only enrich uranium at one declared site (Natanz)
- Stop enrichment activities at Fordow and convert it into a research facility
- Redesign the Arak heavy-water reactor so it could not easily produce weapons-grade plutonium
- Ship out or dilute excess enriched uranium Allow extensive inspections by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Permit continuous monitoring of nuclear facilities and supply chains
- Accept “snap” inspections under expanded monitoring rules
- Avoid building new heavy-water reactors for years -
Stay within strict limits on uranium stockpile size and centrifuge development for set periods ranging from 10–25 years
Ooops, sorry! That was the JCPOA that Obama signed with Iran, only to have him tear it up, kill 140 kids, get hundreds of Americans injured, 13 killed, and gas prices to surge 50%.
"So if it is returning to the pre-war status quo, what has been achieved?"
Their leadership has been decimated, they have no fleet and no army...their nuclear capabilities has been knocked back 10 years...lots of Persian people gained a wee bit of hope.
"The Obama deal was better; it was working. The only way to be 100% sure Iran can't develop nukes is by nuking them and wiping them off the face of the Earth - as Trump said."
No it wasn't...not even close... everyone knew it ...
Trump has revealed the inner Nazi within society. If you want to wipe Iran off the map, what separates you from the Iranian fanatics?
Donald Trump cannot win this war. The only questions are when, and by how much, he will lose. He has indeed boxed himself into a corner, with humiliation staring him in the face every day. He’s desperately seeking some way out of the impasse and then presenting the outcome as an overwhelming US victory, thus saving face. But it won’t happen. Because he has no understanding of the opponent facing him, and absolutely no concept of international diplomacy beyond the ingrained American belief that “might is right”.
The US has always been a global bully, an arrogant, overbearing, pretentious peacock strutting the world stage, but there has usually been a sense that, in Congress and the Constitution, there are fundamental constraints on what any president might do. But no longer.
The loose cannon rampaging around the White House visualises the Americanisation of Iran, but that’s a very ignorant man’s pipe-dream. No matter how many bombs are dropped it’s not possible to erase a country’s cultural heritage dating back thousands of years, despite his threat to destroy “a whole civilisation”.
In fact, if anything, this assault has stifled previously existing and well-publicised internal dissent, leaving America as the common enemy that must be defied at any cost. Through adversity comes strength, and, if anything, Iran appears to be growing stronger as it defies its much more powerful aggressor. Where a dictatorship looms as “America First” does the exact opposite of making America great, leaving it despised, increasingly isolated, and hence weaker on the global stage as former allies walk away.
So what comes next? The simplest resolution would be for America to back off, to recognise that it has made a huge mistake and is not going to “win” on its terms. But can anyone seriously imagine Trump condoning that? So, in Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu we have two wounded animals, each masquerading as a “tough guy”, and with nuclear arsenals at their fingertips, trapped in a corner with their pride and place in history on the line.
The whole region is a powder keg on the brink of a cataclysm while the rest of the world, as outlined in this article, suffers to varying degrees, economically, politically, environmentally, and, worst of all, in the devastating impact on poorer countries.
I agree with Mr Tisdall that radical concerted action is urgently required, a plan with inspired leadership that can successfully overcome this brutal assault on diplomacy and multilateral cooperation. But right now it’s bloody hard to see where that effective opposition will come from, either internationally or domestically.
Meanwhile, Trump and Netanyahu, trapped in a corner and caring nothing about anything other than their massive egos, could decide that peace in the Middle East will only come with the push of a button.
And to hell with the consequences. Literally.
“GazzaFromGrongGrong” - the legendary bard of the Guardian Australia comment section - has struck again!
Their leadership has been decimated, they have no fleet and no army...their nuclear capabilities has been knocked back 10 years...lots of Persian people gained a wee bit of hope.
Yes the original leadership has been decimated but there is so far zero indication that those who have replaced that leadership are any less of a threat. They may be even more hard line.
Yes Iran's navy has been decimated. But again what does that achieve. Iran's navy was never considered a significant threat and even without their navy Iran has demonstrated it can still effectively close the straights.
As for no army. Absolute nonsense statement. The IRGC has between 125,000- 150,000 personal, the regular army has around 420,000 personal when you include ground, air, air defence and naval forces. No one remotely credible is suggesting that most of them been destroyed. Sure they have been degraded to some degree but it's clear they maintain the ability to close the Straights and threaten the region with missiles and drones.
As for nuclear capabilities being set back 10 years. Again absolute nonsense statement, no one is claiming that. In fact the US largely ignored targeting Iran's nuclear sites this time round in favour of hitting regular military targets.
And perhaps it did give Persians some hope, but that's likely evaporated by now as it's become obvious the US can't topple the regime from the air alone and won't be committing ground forces. There also there was evidence of a brief rally round the flag effect during the US and Israel bombing campaign. It seems to have subsided now that the bombing has stopped.
As for nuclear capabilities being set back 10 years. Again absolute nonsense statement, no one is claiming that. In fact the US largely ignored targeting Iran's nuclear sites this time round in favour of hitting regular military target
Substantial damage — but not a guaranteed permanent knockout.
My best reading:
1. Installed enrichment capacity: very badly hit. Natanz was heavily damaged; Fordow was later assessed as having “almost all sensitive equipment” destroyed; Isfahan fuel-cycle facilities were also extensively damaged. The Institute for Science and International Security estimated attacks made inoperative/destroyed nearly all installed centrifuges, around 22,000 centrifuges.
2. Enriched uranium stockpile: not clearly destroyed. This is the key caveat. Reports indicate Iran may have moved much or all highly enriched uranium before the major June 2025 strikes, and Reuters recently reported uncertainty over how much 60%-enriched uranium survived.
3. Current additional strikes: recent 2026 strikes appear to have caused limited additional damage to enrichment itself, because the main enrichment facilities were already badly damaged; the newer strikes seem more aimed at weaponization, fuel-cycle, and support sites.
Bottom line: the strikes probably set back Iran’s ability to enrich uranium at scale by many months to a few years, depending on hidden equipment and stockpile survival. But if Iran still has 60%-enriched uranium and any recoverable/hidden centrifuge capacity, the nuclear problem is degraded, not eliminated.
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They ignored targeting uranium enrichment because all the accessible enrichment had already been severely damaged. Most sane people would see that as a positive.
That's not the point I was making. Draad made a response that one of the achievements of this war it pushed back Iran's nuclear program 10 years. That's clearly a nonsense and your own post supports that this war only inflicted limited additional damage Iran's nuclear program.
If one of the reason's for this war was to curb Iran's nuclear program it's seems to have done very little to do that while a massive cost has been inflicted on the rest of the world in return and Iran may yet end up stronger long term than it was before the war.
Draad has drunk way too much of the Kool Aid.
The war has achieved absolutely nothing and as I said months ago, Bozo would do extremely well to get back to the Obama deal that he tore up . . . despite spending billions of dollars, taking countless lives and ruining the world's economy.
Operation Epic Fail will go down as one of history's biggest and costliest blunders.
The disgusting American mentality that it is fine to mess up the global economy to put America's agenda first. This was all about trying to make Iran trade oil in dollars and disadvantage China, and force another country into shit one-sided trade deals that favour America.
This was after the liberation tariffs that caused massive damage. If America want to trade less with the world, that is fine, but the way Trump could chop and change tariffs daily just brought total unpredictability.
Rather, do this over time to allow everyone to adapt to changing trade relations.
Trump is trying to cash in the short-term; he cares not about damaging America's long-term reputation as a reliable trade partner. Like China, he routinely violates the WTO standards. It shows that trading blocks are better off following protectionism, and the global free trade or low-tariff arrangements of the past are no longer fit for purpose.
As I sat in restaurants in Mykonos and Santorini over the weekend, I was struck by just how many customers were America. These people admired and fought for Europe for it’s traditional values, I doubt they would have been too impressed with the BBC technical expert on religions, who was clearly a moslem and quite strident.
There is no good faith in these people. The Taliban have totally destroyed any progress women have made during the American occupation. They vowed it wouldn’t be so and then just did what they wanted.
Yes there a price to pay, but blockading the Strait is working….these 16th century people have to learn how to live in the world today. It’s truly a curiosity how posters like Rooinek, Shark and 56 who don’t have a moment’s regard for Christianity stick up for these despots.
America fought in WW2, but what happened was that not the American war hero movie that you claim it to be. I have said in the past that America entered the war very late, only after Japan attacked Pearl Harbour, and Hitler declared war on America first.
The stories about France from America's viewpoint is romantic, but apparently many of the American soldiers were rapists, and many French women were victims.
So we are meant to show gratitude for something that happened 100 years ago with people who no longer exist? Eternal gratitude must be shown.
Surely, we should only support sensible actions, and if another NATO partner does something as stupid and morally wrong, they should also be discouraged and not supported.
It is very simple, if any country is attacked and their schools and civil centres are destroyed, then threatened that they are going to be wiped off the face of the earth, how do you think they will react?
Yes, they will go to the ends of the earth to develop a nuke. That is their Trump card to avoid this again in the future.
America killed the current Ayatollah's father, Mother, Son-in-law, and granddaughter, in addition to putting himself in the hospital for injuries that he will never completely recover from.
You think that crazy Iran is going to seriously honour any agreement that they eventually sign?
Right now, they are probably working on a nuke deep underground.
America are so scared of nukes that they have created a self-fulfilling prophecy, where its own actions to avoid nuclear war could end up causing its own destruction. It would be Karma, especially given they are the only country to have used a nuke in battle.
Most people would support a country's right to defend itself from an invader, even if that country is Iran.
America can provide pretext motives about stopping Iran from getting nukes, but this is the same America that has threatened to invade Panama, Canada, and Greenland, in addition to threatening much of the Western Hemisphere. Add in blockades to Cuba and Venezuela. It is only Trump and Putin threatening to nuke countries, but Trump's threats are worse than Putin's.
America, like Russia, is a liar.
As I sat in restaurants in Mykonos and Santorini over the weekend, I was struck by just how many customers were America. These people admired and fought for Europe.
No they didn't unless these restaurants were crowded with 90+ year old.
fought for Europe for it’s traditional values,
And what traditional European values were those?... Europe's traditional value of colonising half the planet? No this is just you supposing your modern conservative values are the values Europe use to have and what American's fought for. American's fought for freedom and democracy which I can assure is in better health in Europe than modern day America. That and America had to fight because Italy and Germany declared war on the them.
There is no good faith in these people. The Taliban have totally destroyed any progress women have made during the American occupation.
No good faith, yet just a few posts you were posting positively about a potential negotiated deal. Which is it, are they fanatics who can't be trusted or people who you can come to arrangement with?
And what's the Taliban got to do with this. Are you just lumping them in together despite the fact that the Iranian regime and the Taliban are in frequent disputes or you just trying to tar all Muslims as the same?
Yes there a price to pay, but blockading the Strait is working
Do you not understand how high the price is. How many additional people are going to face extreme hunger because of this. And what evidence do you have the blockade is working other than wishing it so because otherwise you will have to acknowledge this was has been an utter debacle.
….these 16th century people have to learn how to live in the world today
Sounds like you don't like the modern world much either and would prefer if everyone could just meet up in the early to mid 20th century.
It’s truly a curiosity how posters like Rooinek, Shark and 56 who don’t have a moment’s regard for Christianity stick up for these despots.
Ah that's some quality propaganda there Dr Goebbels.
It’s truly a curiosity how posters like Rooinek, Shark and 56 who don’t have a moment’s regard for Christianity stick up for these despots.
There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER!
Truth Social post on March 6 ›
... Iran, which is totally defeated and wants a deal ...
Truth Social post on March 13 ›
... VERY GOOD AND PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS ...
Truth Social post on March 23 ›
We’ll be leaving very soon.
Time is running out — 48 hours before all Hell will reign down on them.
Truth Social post on April 4 ›
They’ve made a proposal, and it’s a significant proposal.
A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again.
Truth Social post on April 7 ›
I am fully aware that my Representatives are having very positive discussions with the Country of Iran, and that these discussions could lead to something very positive for all.
I’m getting a letter supposedly tonight, so we’ll see how that goes.
I don’t like it — TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!
We were getting ready to do a very major attack tomorrow, and I put it off ... because we’ve had very big discussions with Iran ...
Final aspects and details of the Deal are currently being discussed, and will be announced shortly.
... I have informed my representatives not to rush into a deal in that time is on our side.
It will only be a Great Deal for all or, no Deal at all ...
The Taliban have totally destroyed any progress women have made during the American occupation.
Talibans are not woke. Time to get rid of them.
No good faith, yet just a few posts you were posting positively about a potential negotiated deal. Which is it, are they fanatics who can't be trusted or people who you can come to arrangement with?
I believe my position has been very clear. You can’t trust the Iranians one inch. But for those who thought the Obama deal bought something more than frozen bank accounts for Iran….the announcement was a lot more positive than they were projecting.
My position is the world is struggling because of the Hormuz closure, but already adjusting with new sources and new pipelines. Iran by contrast is in serious trouble economically and logistically. I would continue the blockade until they are clearly defeated.
The difficulty with that is politics at home and European fecklessness. Trump is trying to finesse that, but it’s tricky. Still if I were Iran I’d get this done before the elections. If Republicans do better than expected and Iran remains truculent the remainder of Trump’s term will be very difficult for them.
But if you can't trust the Iranian's one inch then why were you posting positively about a potential deal with them? I mean at the time there was mummering's of a deal very little was known about it. The reason for optimism was the Trump administration declared a deal was close and for once the Iranian's didn't immediately dismiss his claim, saying progress had been made, but since then Iran has said despite the progress a deal isn't imminent so now it appears a deal in the short term is unlikely.
But for those who thought the Obama deal bought something more than frozen bank accounts for Iran….the announcement was a lot more positive than they were projecting.
How so. What deal did you understand was being close to negotiated, how does that compare to Obama's deal?
My position is the world is struggling because of the Hormuz closure, but already adjusting with new sources and new pipelines. Iran by contrast is in serious trouble economically and logistically. I would continue the blockade until they are clearly defeated.
You're being far too optimistic with you assessment. You brought up the new pipeline of the UAE but that's not due to open till next year assuming all goes well. And then we have other issues of what if Iran attacks the pipeline when it opens. I mean I know it's mostly underground but there is a 17KM stretch that's above ground in additional to several facilities above ground that are needed to run and maintain the pipeline that Iran could potential target. And then that's just the UAE, what about the other countries who have yet to start building the pipelines not one that was already 50% complete.
We already have critical damage done to infrastructure in Gulf countries that will take years to repair as well.
And building new pipelines doesn't help Gulf countries deal with the other threats Iran poses to it. The Gulf countries have established themselves as safe heavens for the rich, as great places to set up data centres and as major hubs for airlines. These are major economic benefits to the Gulf states and all would remains under threat.
So while yes other places are producing more oil to cope, it's only helping so much as we burn through our reserves stocks.
Even if Iran collapses economically we don't know if that would topple the Iranian regime. They are the ones with the guns after all.
And this all has to be weighed against the ever increasing economic damage this is doing to the world and the terrible suffering it's going to inflict on some of the poorest countries in the world. We are talking tens of millions facing extreme hunger.
The difficulty with that is politics at home and European fecklessness. Trump is trying to finesse that, but it’s tricky. Still if I were Iran I’d get this done before the elections. If Republicans do better than expected and Iran remains truculent the remainder of Trump’s term will be very difficult for them.
What exactly do you want the European to do. Say they did row in behind Trump's campaign. What could they offer. Europe could send some more aircraft and assist in bombing Iran, but it seems at this point both America and Israel have achieved all that they can from bombing Iran from the air, it would simply be an exercise in re-arranging rubble.
Europe could send ships to try to re-open the Straight. But would it work? I mean even if say a joint American-European naval forced sailed up and down the straights and tried to escort ships could they actually protect them? As long as Iran controls the massive coastline along the Straight, both the military and civilians ships will be under threat. Would the civilians ships get insurance, would their crews be willing to take the risk. And even if they were willing, how many ships could be escorted at one time? How long would such a naval operation take, would it be indefinite? The truth is the American's could actually do such an operation on their own, but they don't want too, because they know the risks and the costs of such an operation. I think even if Europe did send some ships to help the US still wouldn't risk it, because they know it's going to work.
Still if I were Iran I’d get this done before the elections. If Republicans do better than expected and Iran remains truculent the remainder of Trump’s term will be very difficult for them.
Trump would need a remarkable turn around for the mid terms. As it stands the Republicans are on for a drubbing.
Trump called an unnecessary Cabimet meeting to discuss the U<ran situation - to ensure he complies with all the BS written on this site. After all the site members have all the inside information on the Iran issue - especially that Iran is winning the war and the US is in flight.
Iran will drag this out. They know the closer it gets to the US midterms, the better the deal that Trump would agree to. Trump will start getting desperate soon.
The Trumpanzee species needs to try to work out what deal the Iranians would agree to (realistically), and if they would even honour the deal anyway....
A scorpion was traveling across a dry, cracked plain when it came upon a wide river. The water rushed quickly, too deep and strong for the scorpion to cross on its own.
As it searched for a way across, it spotted a frog resting by the riverbank.
“Frog,” the scorpion called out, “will you carry me across the river on your back?”
The frog narrowed its eyes. “How do I know you won’t sting me? If you do, I’ll die.”
The scorpion replied calmly, “Why would I do that? If I sting you, you’ll die—and I’ll drown with you. It would be against my own interest.”
The frog thought for a moment. The logic seemed sound. “Alright,” it said. “Climb on.”
The scorpion carefully stepped onto the frog’s back, and together they began crossing the river. The water swirled around them as they moved steadily toward the other side.
But halfway across, the scorpion suddenly raised its tail and stung the frog.
A sharp pain spread through the frog’s body. As it began to sink beneath the surface, it gasped, “Why did you do that? Now we’ll both die!”
The scorpion, struggling in the water, replied, “I couldn’t help it. It’s in my nature.”
And with that, they both disappeared beneath the current.
I think Iran is playing the long game. Their economy may be drying up or even collapsing, but they have the advantage of a regime that doesn’t answer to its citizens and lacks elections as we know them in the West. They’re likely eyeing the benefits of Trump being weakened after the midterms and using that to their advantage. Driven by ideology, they’ve managed to survive sanctions, recent bombardments, and whatever else comes their way. They’re in no rush to make a deal, while Trump is eager for one that strips them of nuclear capabilities and limits the freedom of transit through the strait.
This drawn-out, stagnant situation feels like an Iran-driven BS exercise.
56 has it ever dawned on you that your whole role on this Board is being a tedious Mr Contrary. Rushing to Google to contradict other posters and now rushing to AI, all trying to deny points of view that fall outside your ‘acceptable zone’.
But not once that I can recall have you ever come up with something new. Here’s the tell, you have made 4468 posts which is a third of Denny’s total but started only 14 strings. Denny meanwhile has started 102 strings just in 2026. His is probably a high ratio of strings to responses but your’s could be the lowest ratio of original material to reactive material on the Board.
And your perceptions are so crude. I post this:
‘While Mr. Trump has repeatedly suggested that an agreement was near, the comments from the three Iranian officials were among the strongest signs since a cease-fire took effect early last month that the two sides may be moving closer to a deal.’
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Many a slip betwixt the cup and the lip and it would be foolish to declare victory. But a bit more positive than those who not only have declared defeat but are ecstatic whenever they have another talking head who says so.
You respond with this:
But if you can't trust the Iranian's one inch then why were you posting positively about a potential deal with them? I mean at the time there was mummering's of a deal very little was known about it. The reason for optimism was the Trump administration declared a deal was close and for once the Iranian's didn't immediately dismiss his claim, saying progress had been made, but since then Iran has said despite the progress a deal isn't imminent so now it appears a deal in the short term is unlikely.
All I was doing was to say that the complete negativism about a deal was being contradicted by an apparent movement in the Iranian position. Not that a ‘deal’ is necessarily a good thing at this time. Can you actually grasp the distinction.
But regardless, do try to give us something other than reflex AI rebuttals….give us just one idea that germinated in your own brain.
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Iran will drag this out. They know the closer it gets to the US midterms, the better the deal that Trump would agree to. Trump will start getting desperate soon
Totsl shit again - a sick brain came up with what was normal d uring t he Biden Presidency,
Add Oman to the list of countries that Trump has threatened....
In an extraordinary threat, Trump added: “Oman will behave just like everybody else. Or else we’ll have to blow them up. They understand that. They’ll be fine.”
Trump’s efforts in recent weeks to strike a peace deal with Iran have so far failed to bear fruit. During Wednesday’s meeting, he accused Iran of trying to stall the agreement and “outwait me” until November’s midterm elections in the US. (Ha, Ha...everyone knows that Trump will likely lose the House in the mid-terms, which will weaken Trump, Iran have the cards)
When Trump signaled he was on the verge of a deal at the weekend, Republican hawks who had strongly backed his controversial decision to order war on Iran alongside Israel issued a rare rebuke.
Roger Wicker, who chairs the Senate armed services committee, said the “rumored 60-day ceasefire” would be a “disaster” in a post on social media. “Everything accomplished by Operation Epic Fury would be for naught,” he added.
Iran will drag this out. They know the closer it gets to the US midterms, the better the deal that Trump would agree to. Trump will start getting desperate soon
Totsl shit again - a sick brain came up with what was normal d uring t he Biden Presidency
It's not 'Totsl shit again'.....Trump has been quoted as saying that Iran is dragging out the negotiations for him to lose the mid-terms.
Get your facts right FFS!!!
56 has it ever dawned on you that your whole role on this Board is being a tedious Mr Contrary. Rushing to Google to contradict other posters and now rushing to AI, all trying to deny points of view that fall outside your ‘acceptable zone’.
My role... ah Moz you secretly love me. I give some meaning to your life.
Gotta love this outrage at actually fact checking what people say and not just taking peoples word at face value.
And that A.I post really got to you didn't it. And no I didn't give it any prompts, it slated you on it's own.
But not once that I can recall have you ever come up with something new. Here’s the tell, you have made 4468 posts which is a third of Denny’s total but started only 14 strings. Denny meanwhile has started 102 strings just in 2026. His is probably a high ratio of strings to responses but your’s could be the lowest ratio of original material to reactive material on the Board.
I know I can sub to the WSJ and copy paste every anti Europe article they write but not use their headline to the article and make up my own more Europe critical headline to accompany it. Will that make me original and a towering intellect like you?
Gotta love this outrage at actually fact checking what people say and not just taking peoples word at face value
Outrage? You can’t be serious, that’s outrage? I have no problem with fact checking if it’s balanced. When all you are doing is looking for stuff out there which contradicts somebody’s comment, without looking for facts which support it, that’s not fact checking….it’s dishonest debate.
But I don’t even have a problem with that as long as you don’t present it as some dispassionate, academic analysis.
But when you have nothing to say yourself…..14 strings in 7 years of active posting on the Board…it is rather damning. If you don’t have any ideas yourself, perhaps you should say less about other posters’ ideas,
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Funny how Bozo has gone from "They're desperate for a deal . . . I don't care if they do or don't . . . I'm in no hurry" to . . .
"They better make a deal soon because I need it now!"
It's just lie after lie as this incompetent moron blunders from one fiasco the next.