They’ve been allowed to carry one for years ! They have a Religious right to. But as was discussed during the trial, a small necklace of the knife, as this man wore, was fulfilling his Religious duty to carry the knife. He did not have to carry the full size one.
As far as I’m concerned, they should never have been allowed to carry these knives.
Sikhs are now campaigning on being allowed to carry these knifes under religious beliefs - despite carrying knives being a crime.
They are not campaigning for it as becs pointed out as they are already permitted to carry those knives since 1988 which permits the carrying of blades for religious reasons. The exemption was maintained in 2019 legislation as well.
It should be noted the killing of Mr Nowak appears to be a completely isolated incident as well. It appears to be the only known situation of a person being killed by such a Sikh with such a weapon and I can't really find evidence of other non fatal attacks either.
I understand the logic of wanting all weapon's like this banned in principal. But considering Sikh's have been living in the UK for decades both before and after the legislation that permits them to carry the Kirpan and with a current population of 500,000 they appear to be under-represented in UK crime statistics I wouldn't rush to any knee jerk reaction.
I mean campaigning to retain the right, rather than a new right, or to lose the current right.
Many countries in Europe ban it as a weapon.
Anytime you meet a Sikh, you could be thinking: are they carrying a weapon? It is silent violence.
If they are allowed on religious grounds, the Muslims would want the same. Other groups may want the same.
I wouldn't really call it campaigning. Basically some politicians and also figures on the far tight have called for a ban. Sikh's in response to those calls have advocated for the current exemption to remain in place, calling what happened to Mr Novak an isolated act.
Anytime you meet a Sikh, you could be thinking: are they carrying a weapon? It is silent violence.
I'm not sure how many I've meet and up till you bringing this point up I didn't know anything about Kirpans. Of course I don't live in the UK and there is no exemption for those weapons here in Ireland but I don't think if met a Sikh I'd feel that way. As I said Sikh's are under represented in UK crime statistics appearing to indicate they are law abiding citizens so it's not a thing I'd personally worry about.
If they are allowed on religious grounds, the Muslims would want the same. Other groups may want the same.
Technically the exemption in UK law applies to all religions already but no other religion including Islam has a doctrinal requirement to carry a blade or knife. So no Muslims or any other religious group based in the UK can carry a knife/blade on religious ground. The Sikh Kirpan is the only religious mandated blade in the UK.
If there was a Christian sect that required carrying knives it would be banned in a heartbeat.
And you're basing that claim on what?
I tend to agree. If there is a law that bans knives, then why make an exception for this?
When people talk about Woke, they mean many different things. It could mean putting minority group interests ahead of the majority.
And you are basing that on what?
In the UK, while the freedom to practice religion remains legally protected, certain traditional Christian practices have faced restrictions or outright bans, primarily regarding public expression and ministry. [1, 2]
Abortion Clinic "Buffer Zones"
The UK government criminalizes a range of activities within 150 meters of abortion clinics under laws like the Public Order Act. This law forbids actions that seek to influence those accessing abortion services—which includes offering leaflets, engaging in consensual conversations, and even silent prayer. [1, 2, 3]
Public Evangelism Restrictions
Under the Anti-social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act, some local councils have temporarily restricted or attempted to ban street preaching, amplification, and unsolicited distribution of Christian leaflets in busy town centers, although some have been challenged and withdrawn. [1, 2, 3]
"Conversion Therapy" Bans
Legal measures have been implemented in parts of the UK to outlaw "conversion therapy," which aims to change or suppress a person's sexual orientation or gender identity. Conservative Christians have expressed concern that this can broadly criminalize prayer, pastoral support, or teachings regarding traditional biblical views on sexuality. [1, 2]
Healing Claims
The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) has previously banned Christian groups from claiming in adverts or leaflets that God can physically heal illnesses, ruling such claims to be misleading. [1]
Religious Education (RE) Rulings
The UK Supreme Court has ruled that compulsory Christian-focused religious education in Northern Ireland schools is unlawful because it does not maintain an objective, critical, and pluralistic standard. [1]
When people talk about Woke, they mean many different things. It could mean putting minority group interests ahead of the majority.
It’s broader than that, but that’s a frequent consequence
If there was a Christian sect that required carrying knives it would be banned in a heartbeat.
Christianity does not impose to wear a knife as a religious tenet.
It is very funny.because liberals claim their holy system was designed to allow religious freedom. They can not ban Sikhs from wearing a knife without negating freedom of religion.
All the examples based on christianity do not reflect any religious obligation.
It’s broader than that, but that’s a frequent consequence
If that is the case, South Africa is the woke of the woke. Indeed.
Abortion Clinic "Buffer Zones"
Does not specifically target any religion, it prohibits religious groups off all types from praying, counselling or attempting to persuade people not to have abortions. It also prohibits secularists from engaging in similar anti-abortion activities. Technically speaking it would also stop pro abortion activists from encouraging people to have abortions in the exclusion zone.
Public Evangelism Restrictions
Generally speaking these temporary restrictions were not aimed specifically at Christian groups (something which the 2nd link you provided acknowledges) but were aimed at curbing nuisance behaviour by some evangelists. I.E these people being too aggressive, obstructing people and being too loud via the use of sound amplifiers etc.
"Conversion Therapy" Bans
Which is in line with the views of the Church of England the main Christian Church in the UK. While not specifically in favour of a ban they view conversion therapy as unethical and potentially harmful. Generally speaking across the UK there is little support for conversion therapy even among Christians.
The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) has previously banned Christian groups from claiming in adverts or leaflets that God can physically heal illnesses, ruling such claims to be misleading.
Similar restrictions have also been applied to Muslims, Hindu, Sikh and new age spiritual healers. So again the ASA is not targeting a specific religious group. Also the issue isn't advertising something with a statement like God heals. The issue is when these advertisements state that their god/religion can cure specifics diseases and conditions (.ie cancer for example)
The UK Supreme Court has ruled that compulsory Christian-focused religious education in Northern Ireland schools is unlawful because it does not maintain an objective, critical, and pluralistic standard.
This is more a case of Christian religions losing their privileged position in UK society. Just like in Ireland, large numbers of schools are ran by religious mostly Christian organisations and have been done so for many decades. The majority of the UK population are in favour of neutrality in teaching and of equal treatment of pupils.
When people talk about Woke, they mean many different things. It could mean putting minority group interests ahead of the majority.
Woke doesn't exist. It's just the label the hard right give to anything they don't like.
And hence you were using the term wrong when you posted this over in the Starmer thread.
Starmer is refusing to resign, and it has become an ego trip about his own commitment to woke social values, while doing nothing to rein in the richest of society, who are consolidating wealth.
I mean I would of thought reigning in the richest of society who are consolidating wealth would be the exact definition of woke by the richest of society.
It’s broader than that, but that’s a frequent consequence
It's literally anything you don't like.
And hence you were using the term wrong when you posted this over in the Starmer thread.
And hence you were using the term incorrectly …..wrong is wrong in this context. The moment your aren’t quoting you are screwing up.
As for your fact checks, find an instance where Christians were given a right not afforded to other religions. Almost every case in my quote was prompted by a desire to shut down some Christian initiative. It’s not at all clear if Moslems were objecting with leaflets at an abortion clinic they would have attracted the same attention.
Woke doesn't exist. It's just the label the hard right give to anything they don't like.
Wrong again, the term WOKE emerged out of the African American culture, not the far right.
Wrong again, the term WOKE emerged out of the African American culture, not the far right.
The origin of the world never means it could be used against its primary meaning.
It is very funny because the way they used it has a precise meaning, which is very topical.
Just like cynicism, liberals may be scared by the woke term and have appropriated it to void its meaning.
Epstein, for example, is an archetype of the villain as described by woke people in the past.
Woke means being conscious that the appearances are only depictions propagated by liberals, forces act behind the stage and being active against them is mandatory. That is woke means.
Woke has a precise meaning, and a lot of people should be woke. For their own good.
Just as cynical, cynicism, when liberals use the term, they have nothing to do with the original meaning.
And hence you were using the term wrong when you posted this over in the Starmer thread.
And hence you were using the term incorrectly …..wrong is wrong in this context. The moment your aren’t quoting you are screwing up.
From climate change, to face masks, to Brexit, to Iran you truly are the expert in being wrong.
As for your fact checks, find an instance where Christians were given a right not afforded to other religions.
That's the whole point.
Almost every case in my quote was prompted by a desire to shut down some Christian initiative. It’s not at all clear if Moslems were objecting with leaflets at an abortion clinic they would have attracted the same attention.
Almost in every case was prompted by your desire from Christians to be given specials status.
Muslims don't have an issue with abortion hence they are not going hand out leaflets at an abortion clinic. But of course it's not about leaflets is it... it's about thinking being part of the Christian religion gives you the god given right to act appallingly to women who are undergoing once of the most difficult moments of their lives.
Wrong again, the term WOKE emerged out of the African American culture, not the far right.
Yes it was originally about being 'awake' to racism against black people in the US. But it's long been supplanted in the US with this bastardize version the right wing spend 95% of their time moaning about.
From climate change, to face masks, to Brexit, to Iran you truly are the expert in being wrong.
Hilarious. all topics where you had no view except what you could Google, and when challenged you were lost.
it's about thinking being part of the Christian religion gives you the god given right to act appallingly to women who are undergoing once of the most difficult moments of their lives.
Once again you presume. I’m not a very religious person but I respect the role Christianity has played in building our society and our values. And while I fully endorse a woman’s right over her own body, there is a point where abortions also need to respect the rights of a living being who mere months later is going to be a delightful child. If infanticide is a horrible crime, how does the absence of birth exonerate it in the late term abortions.
Oh and this:
As for your fact checks, find an instance where Christians were given a right not afforded to other religions.
That's the whole point.
Nope, the whole point is allowing Sikhs to have knives Christians can’t carry is an example of Christians not being granted exceptions other religions are.
Hilarious. all topics where you had no view except what you could Google, and when challenged you were lost.
Keep telling yourself that.
Once again you presume. I’m not a very religious person but I respect the role Christianity has played in building our society and our values. And while I fully endorse a woman’s right over her own body, there is a point where abortions also need to respect the rights of a living being who mere months later is going to be a delightful child. If infanticide is a horrible crime, how does the absence of birth exonerate it in the late term abortions.
So buffer zones around abortion clinics in the UK are specifically anti Christian, yea or nay?
Nope, the whole point is allowing Sikhs to have knives Christians can’t carry is an example of Christians not being granted exceptions other religions are.
Neither can Muslims or Hindu's. If Christians or any other religions had a religious mandate to carry similar weapons then under the current UK laws they would be permitted to do so. And you can't argue this is some woke left attack on Christianity. this has been the law in the UK since 1988 long before this anti wokeness became a thing in the last few years.
Easy. Let everyone bare arms.
An armed society is a polite society.
Also, after seeing the released body cam footage of poor Henry's death and hearing Digwa lie to the police about Henry pretending to be stabbed has made my piss boil.
You are not angry enough western man.
Keep telling yourself that.
Keep telling yourself you knew 40% of global warming occurred before 1945 when man made carbon emissions were 5% of what they are today. Keep telling yourself you knew that every mask study was based on non random sampling. Keep telling yourself what you ask Google or AI gives more than just a weighted average of opinion and actuallly proves non Woke views are wrong.
So buffer zones around abortion clinics in the UK are specifically anti Christian, yea or nay?
Nice diversion to avoid acknowledging the rights of the unborn. Does your concern about the rights of women extend to medium to late term abortions?
And you can't argue this is some woke left attack on Christianity. this has been the law in the UK since 1988
But it’s not the law elsewhere in Europe. Nor should it be. Do you also believe in the law that enforces the mandatory offering of beached whales to the reigning monarch?
Easy. Let everyone bare arms.
An armed society is a polite society.
Tell that to the parents of the kids shot in school shootings in the US.
Also, after seeing the released body cam footage of poor Henry's death and hearing Digwa lie to the police about Henry pretending to be stabbed has made my piss boil.
You are not angry enough western man.
Why is it always the crimes of minorities that are ones that I'm suppose to be angry about. What happened to him was terrible and tragic and the perpetrator should spend the rest of his life in jail but it should be seen for what it is, an isolated incident and very far from being reflective of the wider Sikh community.
Keep telling yourself you knew 40% of global warming occurred before 1945 when man made carbon emissions were 5% of what they are today. Keep telling yourself you knew that every mask study was based on non random sampling. Keep telling yourself what you ask Google or AI gives more than just a weighted average of opinion and actuallly proves non Woke views are wrong.
Stubborn repetition of an argument doesn't make the argument any more credible no matter how many times you repeat it or no matter how many times you insert the word woke.
Nice diversion to avoid acknowledging the rights of the unborn. Does your concern about the rights of women extend to medium to late term abortions?
Nice diversion from your diversion. You were trying to argue buffer zones around abortion clinics was an indication of UK laws prohibiting Christian practices when in fact the prohibited activities inside the buffer zones do not differentiate between religious or secular people. So instead of acknowledging the error you moved to Muslims may be somehow exempt from that law to now what's your opinion on late stage abortions.
But it’s not the law elsewhere in Europe.
But it is the law in UK. Passed by that Tory party under that ever so woke radical lefty... (em checks notes) Margaret Thatcher and maintained in further legislation in 2019 by Theresa May who's known to be a committed and practising Christian.
Stubborn repetition of an argument doesn't make the argument any more credible no matter how many times you repeat it or no matter how many times you insert the word woke.
Repeating an argument made by others, when you don’t know the first thing about the topic, is not a rebuttal.
You were trying to argue buffer zones around abortion clinics was an indication of UK laws prohibiting Christian practices when in fact the prohibited activities inside the buffer zones do not differentiate between religious or secular people.
That was an example produced by AI, not by me. Because even though the law theoretically is aimed at multiple religious groups, the protestors were mostly Christian.
But it is a law in the UK
Yes we are aware of that. Regardless of who passed it, the question is whether it’s reasonable.The Europeans don’t seem to think so….perhaps they feel Christians at prayer aren’t more provocative than Sikhs with knives
"Tell that to the parents of the kids shot in school shootings in the US."
Amazing how most mass shootings happen in gun free zones. I wonder what it could be? What would make those places so attractive for murderous sickos?
OBVIOUS SARCASM*
Have you guys seen the bodycam footage of this? Henry goes "I've been stabbed" and "I can't breathe" multiple times as he is lying on the ground while the police officer proceeds to pull him along the ground and cuff him and start reading him his rights until a female officer finally goes "his pupils aren't even reacting". The police literally arrested the victim while he was dying in their hands from a stabbing instead of even attempting to provide him with emergency care. Why? Because the complainant (murderer) isn't white, so of course they had to bend over backwards to please him first before even considering that he may be selling them a pile of shit.
Ja, dig a deeper hole ...
Amazing how most mass shootings happen in gun free zones. I wonder what it could be? What would make those places so attractive for murderous sickos?
I’m not sure anyone can read the mind of a sicko, but on the surface, I’d guess it’s because it’s an soft target.
Repeating an argument made by others, when you don’t know the first thing about the topic, is not a rebuttal.
Well ignoring the fact that you also use arguments made by others, the difference is the people who made the arguments I'm using can actually back them them up with facts, research and data. You tend to cherry pick selective data, filter it through your personal ideology and then combine those two features with an absolutely mind boggling over estimation of your expertise in pretty much every field under discussion.
That was an example produced by AI, not by me. Because even though the law theoretically is aimed at multiple religious groups, the protestors were mostly Christian.
Yes but that reasoning is silly. Using that logic I could make the argument that UK speed limit laws which are theoretically aimed at everyone mostly apply to Christians because they make up the single biggest grouping in the UK.
Yes we are aware of that. Regardless of who passed it, the question is whether it’s reasonable.The Europeans don’t seem to think so….perhaps they feel Christians at prayer aren’t more provocative than Sikhs with knives
To be honest I'm not really too concerned one way or another if the exemption for Kirpan knifes for Sikh's was removed from UK law. I appreciate that the argument that no exception should be made for religious reasons and on the other hand can acknowledge this was an extremely rare occurrence the first ever case of Sikh using a Kirpan to kill someone n the UK (and possible the first ever case of an attack with one in the UK) My issue is that the case of Mr Nowak's murder is being used demonise a whole community. Again discourse in UK media and social media always seems to focus on the crimes of minority ethnic groups.
Amazing how most mass shootings happen in gun free zones. I wonder what it could be? What would make those places so attractive for murderous sickos?
This is cocaine logic.
Have you guys seen the bodycam footage of this? Henry goes "I've been stabbed" and "I can't breathe" multiple times as he is lying on the ground while the police officer proceeds to pull him along the ground and cuff him and start reading him his rights until a female officer finally goes "his pupils aren't even reacting". The police literally arrested the victim while he was dying in their hands from a stabbing instead of even attempting to provide him with emergency care. Why? Because the complainant (murderer) isn't white, so of course they had to bend over backwards to please him first before even considering that he may be selling them a pile of shit.
Is this why black people are 8-9 times more likely to be stopped and searched in the UK than white people. Or is it why non whites in the UK are more likely to be charged with a crime than Whites?
I’m not sure anyone can read the mind of a sicko, but on the surface, I’d guess it’s because it’s an soft target.
Arm the children. 8 years old with assault rifles and Glocks. What could possibly go wrong?
@Stav,
The logical answer is to ban any knife. The Sikh community have all said that they should be allowed to continue carrying this knife as part of their religion.
They claim this is not the Sikh way. It is not part of their religion, etc to use a weapon for attack.
This sounds like other fundamentalists, who claim their God is good, etc., and by implication they are the good side. This is a recipe for self-delusion, where someone starts to think their opinion is God's
If weapons were legal and more people carried them, it would still be rare for them to be used.
However, the possibility remains for weapons to be used if they are legal, and crime using weapons would increase.
Look at America's 2nd ammemdment and the correlation between a highlevel of mass shootings at schools, etc. Charlie Kirk campaigned for the right to bear arms, but his debate was ended with a bullet.
There will always be crazy people in the world, but a crazy person without a weapon is less dangerous than one with a weapon.
Who decides what self-defence is, and what is morally right? What about a minor argument that escalates, and weapons get involved?
The Sikh community are not acknowledging this; that is why they are being berated. Instead, they insist on being allowed to carry ceremonial weapons - despite the recent murder.
The whole family are in Court, it seems. Today, the father, brother and murderer are in Court for knife offences whilst the mother awaits sentencing for hiding the knife.
The story is a shocking one.
Well ignoring the fact that you also use arguments made by others, the difference is the people who made the arguments I'm using can actually back them them up with facts, research and data. You tend to cherry pick selective data, filter it through your personal ideology and then combine those two features with an absolutely mind boggling over estimation of your expertise in pretty much every field under discussion.
Actually I use ‘others’ AI mostly to gather facts….you use it to form your opinions. The missing bit is any value added by you. Take the point on 40% of global warming occurring before 1945, I discovered that because I asked myself the question.
I’m sure most ‘climate scientists’ know this, but they certainly don’t mention it very often. It doesn’t fit their objective. Nor do they downplay the delta of the ‘hockey stick’ created by the aerosol bubble release. Just another thing you didn’t know until I ‘informed’ you.
Is this why black people are 8-9 times more likely to be stopped and searched in the UK than white people. Or is it why non whites in the UK are more likely to be charged with a crime than Whites?
Latest official England & Wales data says Black people were stopped and searched 3.7 times as often as White people in year ending March 2024. The older 8–9 times claim was true in some earlier years, especially around 2017–2020.
Just keeping you up to date Anger
The Officer in this case has resigned.
Thank you for the stats, I take note, but this incident has its own merits. My closing comment was probably a little emotionally charged as the video wasn't an easy watch and I'm not ignorant to the conjecture it contains, but there is a clear discrepancy in how Digwa was treated vs Nowak. Nowak, on the ground, in clear distress and voicing it, has his pleas ignored, is immediately cuffed and read his rights while dying. The police didn't even ask him a question - he had a finger pointed at him and they proceeded straight to an arrest without question or even checking on his condition. Digwa, the murderer, wasn't even cuffed when he was taken in. While I think it's a stretch to say that Digwa's ethnicity had nothing to do with how things played out, I accept that there are other factors in play as well.
There’s rather a large protest outside the Police Station in Hampshire at the moment.
The whole family are in Court, it seems. Today, the father, brother and murderer are in Court for knife offences whilst the mother awaits sentencing for hiding the knife.
When you say Knife offenses, just to clarify. The offenses relate to owning illegal knifes and other weapons, though not they actually used them against someone.
Actually I use ‘others’ AI mostly to gather facts….you use it to form your opinions. The missing bit is any value added by you. T
No I use facts to form opinions. You cherry pick facts to support your preconceived ideological views, and omit or dismiss facts that support those views.
Take the point on 40% of global warming occurring before 1945, I discovered that because I asked myself the question.
Take the point on the sea being coloured red, I discovered that because I asked looked for myself. Of course just like your 40% warming before 1945 claim it is of course wrong. But hey I still get to take credit for it because I came up with myself regardless of the fact that a worthless claim has no value.
Just keeping you up to date Anger
Fair enough if those numbers are more up to date, but it still supports my argument.
Thank you for the stats, I take note, but this incident has its own merits. My closing comment was probably a little emotionally charged as the video wasn't an easy watch and I'm not ignorant to the conjecture it contains, but there is a clear discrepancy in how Digwa was treated vs Nowak. Nowak, on the ground, in clear distress and voicing it, has his pleas ignored, is immediately cuffed and read his rights while dying. The police didn't even ask him a question - he had a finger pointed at him and they proceeded straight to an arrest without question or even checking on his condition. Digwa, the murderer, wasn't even cuffed when he was taken in. While I think it's a stretch to say that Digwa's ethnicity had nothing to do with how things played out, I accept that there are other factors in play as well.
The desire not to appear racist may well have played in role in how events transpired. It of course should be investigated and measures put in place to prevent it happening again.
There’s rather a large protest outside the Police Station in Hampshire at the moment.
Far right flag shaggers trying to exploit the situation. Mr Nowak's parents have appealed that the their son's death not be used by people to create further division, hatred or tension.
Take the point on the sea being coloured red, I discovered that because I asked looked for myself. Of course just like your 40% warming before 1945 claim it is of course wrong.
‘because I asked looked it up myself’….hahaha…if you want to change content make sure to eliminate all the prior, obviously wrong, words. How many versions of this ….eh….thought did you have,
Over the past few weeks there have been several reports of the sea being red
The Officer in this case has resigned.
That was fast.
Any liberal to establish how fast an officer is to resign depending on the ethnicity of the mishandled person...
Very funny.
As for your fact checks, find an instance where Christians were given a right not afforded to other religions.
In the us, it is very easy to find examples of christians given a right followers of religion like Voodoo and shamanic indian religions are not.
:-) liberals don't carry knives ... wa-la kapa-la
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Is it not white on white crime.
"In the us, it is very easy to find examples of christians given a right followers of religion like Voodoo and shamanic indian religions are not."
Sacrifice is frowned upon regardless of the religion.
It is not only about sacrifice. Which is by the way very funny. Chopping a chicken's head off is certainly a cleaner death than the rituals associated to killing casher or hallal.
It is about places to worship at the work places and stuff like that. No problem for Christians to have theirs but for stuff like Voodoo or shamanism, a different story.
Very easy to find.
Just some updates on this a former police women has had to go into hiding when she falsely accused of being involved in arrest of of Henry Nowak.
In addition 11 police officers and a police dog have now being injured by these hate filled rioting thugs.
F**k Farage and Robinson.
But support the rights of the knife stabbing Sikh.
I said I wasn't concerned if the exemption to allow for the carrying of religious mandated blades was removed or not as the killing seems to be a very rare and isolated image by I can understand the logic for the calls of it to be removed, maybe it will save another life sometime in the next 30 years. I just knew from the discourse surrounding this case that it was going to excuse for some for racist thugs to start rioting.
Care to condemn Farage's comments by any chance?
Haven’t heard them and don’t know the context.
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In addition 11 police officers and a police dog have now being injured by these hate filled rioting thugs.
F**k Farage and Robinson."
Something needs to be done ..I don't know what they've said, but something is dead wrong in the UK... there's a reason for more right-wing politicians gaining traction... denying the problem only makes it worse...
...and the issue is not the fcn right to carry a stupid knife .. it's about the police being so fcn scared of being accused of racism or something that they make it possible for something like this to happen...the contrast between this and George Floyd is staggering...the response to it too ...
Incidents like this is tailor made for the lunatic fringes to jump on and incite mob behaviour. Same with Floyd and the BLM response. Wasn't one of the first people killed by the BLM mob a retired black cop? It's not the answer, hitting innocents in a blanket response, I'll never be for it. It's like the bomb planters from back in the day here - I abhorred the ANCs who did it as much as the AWBs and other right wingers who did it. It's political opportunism and it just strengthens the divide, which maybe is even the purpose of it. Something needs to be done, but what? I don't think there's a solution anymore, and people apparently still entertain the delusion that politicians are acting in their interest. But then I don't live there or in Europe so I don't know how big the problem really is as media, even independent, tends to only show the extreme edges, overplaying or underplaying everything. I still think modern society is in a slow death spiral. We're killing what made us human with the cold dagger of technology. All that's left is a slow death march between work and home and the connected device and the kitchen, with selective outrage as fuel.
"All that's left is a slow death march between work and home and the connected device and the kitchen, with selective outrage as fuel."
"Cheer up, sad world," he said and winked.
"It'll be kinda fun to be extinct."
I did a little stint at the Magistrates court in Oxford way back in way youth.
Guess the race of the majority of offenders.
I suppose there must have been some racist right win thug making them commit all those crimes, Stav.
Also spent a lot of time in Brussels. Guess which race I experienced the most aggression from and which race I was told by locals they experienced the most aggression from?
The firearm deaths in the US, despite school shootings grabbing the headlines, guess which race shoots and kills more people than anybody else?
I live in South Africa, guess which country is the rape capital of the world and within that population who does the vast majority of the raping per capita.
And herein lies the problem. It's not about race. None of it is about race. It's about the culture of those races. The operating system.
There's a reason why Indians and Pakistanis are genetically almost identical and yet on paper could not be further apart in terms societal outcome.
Just like there is a reason that you will barely find a single Japanese person locked up anywhere other than in Japanese prisons despite there being Japanese people all over the world.
Culture determines a lot about you and your future.
And here is my question...
Is calling one culture inferior to or incompatible with another racist?
Here is a racist right wing thug that says things far worse than Tommy Robinson, his race is very inconvenient though...
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Seems like the influence of the police's anti-racism/dei training in this incident is now under scrutiny. The Minister of Police seems to be downplaying it. We'll see where it leads, I don't know much about what it entails exactly, the articles that I could find that hint at more detail are behind paywalls.
I don't envy the police. It's a thankless job to start with. Having to answer to all these further complications and directives must be a nightmare, especially in chaotic situations.
It's like damned if you do and damned if you don't,but I still believe when the victim said he'd been stabbed and that he couldn't breathe the cops were pathetic not to have a closer look at him.
He was a dead man by that time anyway, but yeah, it's hard to watch him being cuffed, read his rights and his pleas ignored while dying. Especially as you could clearly hear that he's in distress.
That scum Digwa of course didn't help by pretending to be the victim, even pointing to a little bump on his eye as an "injury" while he knew his victim was bleeding out on the ground.
Agg you know we stand at a distance filled with emotions and it is at those times we realise how little if any control we have.
ive been following the case of the nature loving elderly couple who were brutally murdered in Kruger national park.
Two low lives were arrested in Mozambique but that will never make up for the loss of two innocent lives
the contrast between this and George Floyd is staggering...the response to it too ...
It is very funny.
On one hand, one guy was killed as a result of the action of a police officer after long minutes with people warning him about the consequences while doing nothing.
On the other hand, a guy is killed by another guy, the police gets the guilty part wrong (not the first time by the way, and quite often, it happened the other way, the white dude being the one given the benefit of the doubt)
And liberals compare the two situations.
Police officer, invested with public authority by WeThePeople, with all it means in a liberal society.
A guy who is a petty criminal who does not even represent his community.
Incredible stuff.
In the past, people drew a firm line between criminals and non criminals.
Stated many times, liberal societies have a lot in common with criminal societies.
So much liberals can no longer distinguish themselves: a police officer acting the same way as a criminal is nothing aberrant.
Liberals en route to kill hundreds of millions of people.
Liberals are empty.
What happens to liberal claims that criminals will find ways to find weapons nonetheless...
Stated so many times on this board.
Yet in this case, it no longer matters.
Quarrel, dispute... It is the template for it. There is no debate, no discussion in a liberal society.
Very funny.
Just like there is a reason that you will barely find a single Japanese person locked up anywhere other than in Japanese prisons despite there being Japanese people all over the world.
Of course, of course.
Liberalism is all about submission.
Same stuff as usual: a blatantly, outrageously known to be incorrect assertion to gauge submission.
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Henry Nowak was just murdered by a British born Sikh who carried a Kirpan knife. Sikhs are now campaigning on being allowed to carry these knifes under religious beliefs - despite carrying knives being a crime.
Banning them seems like a no-brainer.