Sounds like Trump is going to accept a deal that is worse than the Obama deal, and now all of Iran hates America even more than before.
The disgusting American Nazi pigs think that threatening to wipe out a whole population is cool.
This is just creating problems for future generations. Iranians will remember
Cheer up Cobra, this too shall pass.
I don't think it will. Iran will certainly have a nuke soon.
Meanwhile Trump and his sycophants like JD Vance are interfering in European elections, trying to install Orban again.
The American charter has said that they encourage Western, Southern and Eastern European countries to be treated as separate entities- not the EU.
America's primary goal is to end the EU, and they are working with Putin to do this.
The US security charter has said that will provide financial support to Far-right parties as a means to end the EU.
Americans must get the fuck out of Europe. Our economies must decouple. The EU is continuing to grow, and trade alliances are growing as well. We need to start blocking American Tech companies (X and Facebook for starters). The UK must rejoin ASAP. We know who our allies are, and it is not America.
America are not an ally. I expect at some point they will start supplying Russia with weapons and intelligence against Ukraine - and ultimately the EU.
S B
Sounds like Trump is going to accept a deal that is worse than the Obama deal, and now all of Iran hates America even more than before.
Nothing can be worse than the Obama deal immursed in corruption and with no real action to ensure Iran complies wth the deal. They purely moved the enrichmnt to places they claimed were army camps where no inspections were allowed,
It never was implmented by Iran and nthing was done by the USA if the Iranians breach the cnditiosn contained in the junk deal. By 2018 Iran had more enriched urabiun than hey had in 2014. In terms of the US Constitution the agreement was never approvd by Congress because it was clearly BS.. Instead in 2018 Legislation was passed by Congress that froze all dollar payments to Iran for oil.
Despite obvious illegal action by the Biden Autopen administration hundreds of billions of fozen dollars were released to Iran/ The monmey a used to enhaarse civil wars in ther countries,
When you have corrupt shit like Obama and Bidena ss Presidents then you must accept that the USA was destroying themselves from within/
This is a much better deal than the Obama deal (for Iran).
They get to keep their enriched uranium and are allowed to build a nuke.
They also now get to collect a fee of 2 million dollars per ship that goes through the Straight
That means the rest of the world has to fund the redevelopment of Iran.
Pathetic....you want him to fail because you hate him and won't be able to stand him being successful at anything...even if it will benefit the whole world...talk about cutting your nose to spite your face...worst thing is, you're not alone...at least 50% of the Western world is as petty and short sighted as you... especially the wanker leadership you fools in Europe elected.
I wonder how Bozo's PR department are going to spin this as a victory?
So far all I've seen from them is that they achieved their military objectives (which may be true as they've never told anyone what they were) and it's also apparently a big win because the Straits will be open again.
Here's a newsflash . . . the Straits wouldn't have been closed if it wasn't for Operation Epic Fail.
Where's the win? The USA has spent in excess of $1bn a day for over a month and for what? A worse deal than Obama negotiated?
Surely the most stupid, unneccessary and short-sighted military operation in living memory.
Both sides are claiming a win but at least Iran has something tangible to show for it . . . sanctions lifted and tolling the Straits at $2m per ship is at least something significant that they got out of it.
What has Bozo got in return . . . other than spending billions of dollars of tax-payers money on a war that neither Congress or the majority of American people approved or wanted, sending the price of petrol through the roof, alienating all his western allies and plunging in the polls.
Seriously, what else has Bozo got to show for this fiasco?
So much winning!
Rooinek
What has Bozo got in return . . . other than spending billions of dollars of tax-payers money on a war that neither Congress or the majority of American people approved or wanted, sending the price of petrol through the roof, alienating all his western allies and plunging in the polls.
So you now everything about the progress and what is being negotiaed and comes up with the above, Brilliant BS as expected from you.
So accordin g to you the majority of Americans wants Iran be allowed to develop nuclear arms - really???
SB
Where did you get the above conditions laid down by Iran from? The Guardian again?
Are you a spoksman for the Ayatolah Regime on site,
You apparently love wars. What about th Ukraine Ciil Wars started in 2014 while Obama was President and then morphed into an invasion of Ukraine by Russiaa when piss-brain Biden Autopen was he President, You sttack Trump and did no evn consode he [proposals passed by the witless and undertaffed NATO membes. When Trump tried to negotiate ana greement and i failed bcause instead of boycotting Rusia - the NATO allies kept buying oil and gas from Russia,
The Ukraine War was by some distance the mos corruption connected war in Europe since he Dark Age from which the ultra-corrupt Demcorats benefitted. why quiet on that one dimness?
Putin strated playing hard-ball bcau THe NA TO allies wants War - proived he USA sed iin troops into Uraibne, and ou blame Trump for the collapse ion the talks.
Lol
All these assumptions and yet no final negotiations have been done
Funny
TACO.
Only the religious cult of rendhecks thinks that Trump's Operation Epic screwup was a success.
Everyone else can see it for what it is - an utter disaster
Where did you get those terms from SB - or are you just spreading shit Iran propaganda again? Are your beloved Muslims your new allies.
Stop being an idiot, DumbMike. Read news articles. Many news sources are covering it.
I just saw Sky News cover the topic - and everyone appears to agree that Iran now has a better deal than before the war. They have made no compromises but have gained a great deal.
The Obama deal was working - and now the Trump deal allows Iran to collect 2 million per boat that travels through the Straits.
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Iran Deal By Obama:
•Strait of Hormuz open for free
•Iran limits Uranium enrichment
•Iran agrees to make no nuclear weapons
•Iran allows Int'l inspectors to ensure compliance
•Inspectors confirm Iran's full compliance Iran
Ceasefire By Trump:
•Strait of Hormuz closed, only open for $2M Per Ship
•Iran makes no guarantee of limit on uranium enrichment
•Iran makes no guarantee of no nuclear weapons
•Iran makes no guarantee to allow Int'l inspectors MAGA:
Trump Playing 5D Chess! Art Of The Deal!!
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Not just Sky, everyone on CNN and Al Jazeera is agreeing that the US is an a substantially worse position than they were before Operation Epic Fail.
So Bozo has basically spent billions of tax payers money, he's destroyed civilian infrastructure, he's pushed the world toward a global recession and he's alienated all his allies . . . just to end up with a "deal" that is much worse than the deal that was already on the table.
I have one request for NASA for their moon mission to the dark side of the moon next year, take Bozo and Hegsuck with and leave them there.
•Iran makes no guarantee of no nuclear weapons
That is a no-no.......Iran can't be allowed to have nuclear weapons.
Unfortunately it's Iran who are negotiating from a position of strength.
Iran are happy to drag this thing out longer while Bozo is desperate to make a deal so that he doesn't have to carry out his loud-mouthed threats (which would amount to war crimes) and also because his approval rating is tanking as the price of oil goes up and he only cares about winning the mid terms.
Obama's deal - which was in effect before Operation Epic Fail - forbade nukes and limited the enrichment of uranium to a level below weapons grade. Also, the Ayatollah that Bozo killed issued a fatwa against nukes while his son is a lot more radical and will probably want revenge for the deaths of his father and his family.
If Iran do get nuclear capability with this new deal then it will be 100% Bozo's fault. Operation Epic Fail will also have motivated Iran to get a nuclear weapon so that this kind of attack won't happen again.
However you look at it, however you try to spin it, this has been a disastrous campaign and once again, Bozo is 100% to blame. He's making all these decisions without taking anything to Congress and instead he's being "advised" by the incompetent lickspittles he's surrounded himself with, like Hegsuck.
Check the oil market in a months time, especially what China is paying for oil, and then tell me again this was a failure.
What on earth has the price that China pays for oil got to do with the Iran conflict?
Are you saying all of this was to make China pay more for oil?
Is that what you're saying, Draad?
And who doesn't recognise that the price of oil will come down when the conflict is over? How is this news or any kind of prediction? The price will go back to a similar price it was before this disastrous war. Everyone knows that. Is that your "win"? Huh? That the price will recover to it's original value?
Just by the way, Draad, while you're at it, you never answered my question about what it was you were describing as "theater". Still waiting.
Everything Trump does is theater...a new episode of The Apprentice every day...are you not entertained?
And you can't separate Iranian oil from the Iranian regime...and BRICKS is part of that problem ..same for Russia in Ukraine...the oil is in the middle of it all.
Iran will certainly get a nuke now. I don't want a nuclear armed Iran - but if I was an Iranian I would now want a nuclear bomb.
The Obama deal was gold dust. Now we have a very angry Iran that is certainly going to get nukes.
The Obama deal wasn't actually a deal...it was a mirage.
". . . are you not entertained?"
No. Movies are entertaining. TV is entertaining. Music is entertaining. Sport is entertaining.
Buildings and infrastructure being bombed and people dying is not entertaining. Not to me anyway.
The price of oil returning to the same kind of levels as it was before Operation Epic Fail is not a win. It wouldn't have ballooned in the first place if it wasn't for your bungling hero and when it was sky high it created a lot of hardship for a lot of people.
Tell me something significant that Bozo has achieved in this war that makes it all worthwhile. I've listed a lot of negatives, let's hear the positives now. The floor is yours.
"Buildings and infrastructure being bombed and people dying is not entertaining. Not to me anyway."
Way less people have died than during the protests earlier this year ...the regime is actually too busy to kill their own citizens ATM...war more economical on lives than normal conditions...who would have thought that....and no buildings or infrastructure targets were deliberately targeted...only if there was some or other military objectives achieved by doing so.
"The price of oil returning to the same kind of levels as it was before Operation Epic Fail is not a win."
It will go significantly lower.
I don't find Iranians killing Iranians entertaining either. What is your point?
"It will go significantly lower."
What are you basing that on? But even if you're right, you're effectively saying that as long as someone is making a profit it's all okay then?
That's what it sounds like you're saying.
Tell me something significant that Bozo has achieved in this war that makes it all worthwhile.
Iran leadership significantly thinned out and weakened...the ones remaining will think twice, they might be next...air defence all but destroyed ...fleet destroyed, Air Force destroyed...etc...watch how society in Iran changes over the coarse of this year...
"What are you basing that on? But even if you're right, you're effectively saying that as long as someone is making a profit it's all okay then?"
Logic....It's rather about reducing oil profits of Russia and Iran.
But you are saying it's all about profits, right?
"Iran leadership significantly thinned out and weakened...the ones remaining will think twice, they might be next.."
The old, feeble leader who didn't want nukes is dead. He's been replaced by his son who wants nothing more than nukes. That's a win?
".. . . air defence all but destroyed ...fleet destroyed, Air Force destroyed...etc...watch how society in Iran changes over the coarse of this year..."
If the air defences are destroyed, how did they bring down two planes? With slingshots? Likewise if the fleet was destroyed, what are they escorting ships through the Straits with? Rubber ducks?
Love of the Mullahs….it’s now part of being a card carrying TDS member. Two days ago these camel jockeys were saying they wouldn’t negotiate, but they changed their minds because they are winning
ROFL.
Oh damn I missed that…Al Jazeera says the US is losing. That must be the real scoop, they aren’t biased.
"The old, feeble leader who didn't want nukes is dead. He's been replaced by his son who wants nothing more than nukes. That's a win?"
Horse manure...you believe what you are told ..apply some logic and figure things out for yourself... it's not that difficult.
Two days ago these camel jockeys were saying they wouldn’t negotiate, but they changed their minds because they are winning
It is so wrong. In this story, Iran has been acted rationally. A large part of the world sees Israel and the US as the responsible for this crisis. Iran of course will look for normalisation of international relations. And when the negotiation fails, the US and Israel will be considered responsible for the failure.
.watch how society in Iran changes over the coarse of this year...
There is no framework, there is nothing. Of course, the iranian society will change.
It is the same card played over and over again. Same card was played for the tariffs for example. Wait six months and see what happens etc
It is worthless. It is empty.
SB
The Obama deal was working - and now the Trump deal allows Iran to collect 2 million per boat that travels through the Straits.
Tour statements are basically based on something with no reality and supportrd by evidence,
Gorst fo al the Obama Deal a sneve approved b Con g ress as was required. So the Obama deal was agreed on in 2014. It wdentr to Congreess a number of times - but the evidence indicated that the Ayatollah Regime by=passed the agreement and instead o allwing inspction -they moved e facilities to what they called army bases where inspections was not allowed,
Evidence provided to Congress in 2016 inmdicated that Iran doubled its enriched uranium in two years. Iran did not bother about any action from Obama or B iden - they ah d them by their shorts, INsa ax the loot is concerned, related to frozxen $400 million the Shah Government paid the USA fr fighter jetsm The planes wer not delivered/ As part of the Agreement Obama decided to pay back to Iran $1,8 billion dollars, Obame made sure the $1,8 billion was semd to Iran by plane, However in 2022 the Iran Foreign Minister in 2023 sad Irn ny received $1,342 billion. What happemed to the difference between $1,8 billion and $1,342 billion CORRUPTIIN took ensure as long a sBiden
In 2018 knowing what was happening and passed a Law that froze all dollas paid to Iran for purchase og oil, Illeg ally Boden or the Autopen infroze $480 billion - which Iran used to upgrade their research facilities. The money wa not used to help he empoverished people of Iran - but to -
So have it your way - but real evidence that happened since 2014 indicates that the Ayatollah plyed pin g pong withe Obama and herewaas NOTHING Obama could do about ittis to help Iran - which means the USA cannt act ag inst the Irn regime,
So live in your own dreamworld .
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….says they have a 10 point proposal which is workable. It includes an immediate opening of the straits according to reports. Apparently the Pakistanis have made progress with both parties.