Wilder vs Ortiz II ...

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Nov 24, 2019, 06:41


Anyone up to watch the fight?

It has the potential of being a cracker ... chances of going the distance are slim.

Wilder is a banger with a devastating right hand ... and Ortiz is looking in the best shape of his life. He looks nicely focused ... determined.

It's about to start ... SS1 - SS5.

Go Ortiz!!!

 

Nov 24, 2019, 07:55

Wow!!

He was losing the fight. One punch and that's all it took.

42 wins with 41 going by way of KO.

Time to unify the division.



Nov 24, 2019, 10:40

Why the hell did Ortis circle to Wilder's right with his own left hand at shoulder height...on top of a flat left foot? Never mind the fact that he put his own back to the ropes. Madness.

Easy KO for potentially the best heavyweight of his generation.

 

Nov 24, 2019, 12:02

Ortiz isn't known for his foot work. He was flat footed all fight long ... but then again, so was Wilder.

Ortiz fought the wrong fight tactically. He should have been in his face ... crowding him ... using his weight advantage to push him back ... coming in close, throwing short hooks and uppercuts to the body ... popping one or two over the top ... pressuring him ... backing him up against the ropes ... neutralizing his power. 

Wilder generates his power from range. He has a superb jab and as we saw an incredible right cross. To add to that ... he had a substantial reach advantage. Fighting him from distance is simply looking for trouble.

Also, what's with the single punch punching. Boxing is about putting combinations together. Throwing a single punch and then bucking off isn't how you win fights.

Ortiz's trainer needs to be taken to task. He's a moron and cost Ortiz the fight.

Wilder relies completely on knocking his opponent out. He was easily 4 points behind by the 7th and can thank his lucky stars that Ortiz has a fool in his corner.

Wilder is lazy and doesn't want to put in the work. It could come back to haunt him someday.

  



Nov 24, 2019, 14:22

Wilder is far from lazy.

Have a look at all the stuff he's doing to improve. 

Including punching for hours on end under water(scuba gear) to control his breathing and increase his hand speed.


Nov 24, 2019, 15:22

Yes he is.

We aren't on the same page here.

You think that training is the be all and end all of a fighters life. All that counts for nothing in the end if he doesn't take it into the ring.

He sits back and waits for an opening, so that he can end it all with one straight right. In other words, he doesn't work the fight. He's lazy.

What happens if someone takes him the distance? What happens if that opening never comes? 

Training under water does nothing to improve hand speed. You take what you are born with into the ring ... into life. You can develop the gifts you've received in birth but there is a limit to everything. By no means can you create any additional gifts by some silly notion like punching for hours under water. There is no miracle cure. Hard work is all that counts in the end ... no matter how talented you are.   

Controlling you breathing in a fight benefits you how? If you haven't done the road work you'll still run out of puff, no matter how much control you have over your breathing.

What you put in you get out ... just make sure you use what you've put in or it will all be a waste in the end.  



Nov 24, 2019, 17:19

Yes they were both flat footed. But as a southpaw, Ortiz should be well accustomed to the extra movement required when moving towards an opponents stronger side. That's why movement patterns exist. Any one of his even amateur range/height changers there would have done the trick. And he should have done it every single time he moved left. 

Point is, moving left into Wilder's power zone like that, with a halfarsed guard, and not changing height at all...it looked amateur and Wilder had ample time to land that straight.

Controlling your breathing is extremely important. To the point where I'll just say...look it up. 

Nobody said that you don't need road work. But guess what coach keeps telling you as you run? Five steps - breathe in - five steps - breathe out. Because fitness without good breath control is pointless. 

Hand speed and power are a gift. Resistance training increases both. Watch Wilder's earlier fights and compare his speed. He's gotten faster and faster. This is also not new.

Anyway, I like Wilder. Have been following him for years now. He's the Glen McGrath of boxing. Started late but will go down as a great.

Lazy and efficient are not the same thing. You're mistaking the two.

Nov 25, 2019, 08:51

Your comments make me think of a colleague who inherited a little money and a few odds and ends ... one of which being a beautiful ornament ... a dragon, the size of a small cat.

She came to work with it and told us all that she would not have it in her house, as it had absorbed a lot of negative energy over the years. It needed to be cleansed ... purified ... by the Sun ... and so she found a nice sunny spot in the garden and left it there for the day.

I couldn't resist the temptation and so explained to her that the only change to the dragon was that it spent it's day in the bright sunshine ... nothing more.

She still refuses to speak to me. 

Moving a little left played it's part in Ortiz's demise ... but it wasn't the only issue. He didn't protect himself all fight long. He slipped the dreaded punch a few times and felt safe enough due to Wilder's non existent work rate. He's lazy you see. If you watched the fight you would have seen that.

Changing heights ... ??? Haaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha!!! This is a 234lbs, 40 year old, heavyweight ... not a 25 year old featherweight. There is a difference you know. Not everyone can bob and weave like a young Tyson. Even he gave that up when age stepped in. 

There are many different ways to fight your opponent and most of them should be planned in advance. It's called a game plan. Look it up. Not everything has to go by the book.

Oh I see ... you're trying to be clever.

Ok!

What?? Haaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaaa!! Have you ever done any roadwork before? Have you ever run at all? I doubt you'll manage 100m ... being a weed smoker and all. 

You want to hold your breath for 5 seconds ... while running ... before expelling it ... and then only take another after an additional 5 seconds has passed? That in effect is a breath every 10 seconds ... 6 breaths per minute. Have you lost your mind? You have a coach that instructs you to breath like that ... and ... and ... you're paying him good money for this advice?

Well ... hate to tell you this but you are being ripped off. I would demand my money back if I were you. No wonder you hate running. I would too.

It's all about finding a rhythm ... about opening the passage way ... like a carburetor ... holding your head in such a way that your breathing isn't hindered. The air that you breath is your fuel source. There is no way in hell that you'll even manage 1km with a breath every 10 seconds.

Don't believe me ... go ahead ... give it a try. I dare you. Let me know what flowers you want sent to your wake.

Improving your fitness level, improves your breathing ... not the other way round. You really are clueless.

Resistance training improves strength ... not speed. Weight training is one form of resistance training. It does nothing for your speed. Nothing whatsoever. Did your "coach" tell you that too?

Speed comes from timing ... from anticipating your opponents next move ... that's the point of the speedball ... of the pearball. You do know what a pearball is ... right? Timing also helps you with your accuracy as well as the power of every delivered punch.

The man who hits a golf ball the furthest isn't necessary the strongest. I'm willing to bet though that he has fantastic timing.

Punching with dumbbells doesn't improve you speed either. The only benefit to that is that it strengthens your anterior deltoid. Helps you lift heavier straight arm front raises.

No ... I know what lazy is when I see it. Wilder ... as good and as exciting as he is ... is lazy.

He's gifted with an amazing right hand ... and he relies on it completely.

A proper game plan will see him undone if he sticks to his lazy ways.



Nov 25, 2019, 09:44

All I take from this is that you take one step per second. 

Do you know the difference between animals and humans as far as breath is concerned?

A dog takes a breath for each step rotation. Most mammals do.

Humans don't. We take multiple steps per breath.

And its that breath control which allowed us to run animals down over days. It's the key to our superior stamina.

It's impossible to have any kind of debate with you without your ugly little man syndrome coming through.

I'll leave it there.

Nov 25, 2019, 10:13

Wilder was incredibly lucky to get a draw against Fury...… Tyson Fury absolutely schooled Wilder in the fine art of boxing.

Wilder is lazy, in the sense that he relies far too much on his right hand to end the fight...…

Ortiz was ahead on all scorecards when he went down yesterday....

Fury was out boxing Wilder in all aspects, before Fury went down, but got up.....and it was daylight robbery that Tyson Fury was robbed of the biggest and best comeback in boxing history.

Wilder relies too heavily on his right hand, straight after his left jab...… and when he doesn't land it, he will lose.... simple....

He is also open to most countering heavy hitters, because he sometimes literally goes wild, flinging his shots all over the show..... but to his credit, that has not yet happened.

He has devastating power, even with his left hook, but if you had to add in the movement of Mike Tyson, Wilder would be unstoppable...… but then again Mike Tyson was forced to move like he did and bob and weave, purely because he was one of the shortest heavyweights ever.

Wilder is a top notch fighter, but he is lazy, and he does rely far too much on his power...… but then again, what exactly defines a fantastic fighter.....or the best ever fighter?.....

Unbeaten record, never lost...… Marciano?

Beaten everyone that they ever lost to, in the rematch...…. Lewis?

Fighter who took the least hits...…….. Mayweather?

So many variables......

Nov 25, 2019, 10:29

Debate? You wanted to have a debate with me?

My mistake. I thought you were looking for an argument. You know ... a little payback. Your tone certainly suggests it. Following me around on the board may have given me the wrong impression. I must have misinterpreted all those snide little remarks. 

My bad.

My "ugly little man syndrome" ... whatever do you mean?

Is it cause I said you smoked weed? Has that upset you? Do you smoke weed? I could have sworn you owned up to that. Was I wrong?

Is it because I laughed at your theory of holding your breath while running ... or only drawing breath every 10 seconds ... while your heart pounds at 180 + beats per minutes, begging you for oxygen ? Is that what upset you?

No Plum ... I'm not being mean at all. I thought your posts were funny and misinformed ... I was merely responding to them.

Maybe you're a little overly sensitive. Could be your femine side coming through too strongly.

Isn't that what caused you to leave this board a few months back?

 

Nov 25, 2019, 10:47

Who is a better fighter...…

A guy who ends with a 50-0 fight career record

A guy who ends his career winning titles in 8 different weight divisions

I say the latter, because nobody has ever even come close to this record...… and the 50-0 record has been achieved by many other fighters already..... Chavez went 89-0 before his first loss

Nov 25, 2019, 11:01

In my opinion ... there are a lot of different factors that dictate a fighters outcome.

What would Mike Tyson have achieved if he hadn't lost his father figure?

I rate Tyson as the best heavyweight in the game ... ever. If he had been managed like Ali was managed his whole career through, we may now be speaking of Iron Mike in a different way.

8 different weight divisions is a little much, but I get where you're coming from.

The best pound for pound fighters are limited to a handful. I would have to say that Sugar Ray Robinson qualifies for top spot. He had everything in the game and should at least make the top 3 best in boxing history.



Nov 25, 2019, 12:20

Interesting, that we share the same opinion in that way, because I agree with you on most of those points

Sugar Ray Robinson, the best there ever was...… no contest... by a country mile

Mike Tyson, the best heavyweight from any era..... I have seen every single one of his fights..... multiple times, and I don't see any heavyweight going 12 rounds with Mike Tyson when he was in his absolute prime.... and as you say, how things changed when Cus passed away

I read Tyson's autobiography last year...… wow, what a life behind the scenes..... it's incredible that he is still alive, never mind that he still boxed when he did

Some worthy mentions

Rocky Marciano.... purely because he was so small......yet he fought at heavyweight

Willie Pep, no devastating knockout power, but one amazing boxer

Joe Louis

Floyd Mayweather

Nov 25, 2019, 12:40

Did you know that Joe Louis used his piano lesson money to sign up at a boxing gym?

The first time he threw a combo ended up with his sparring partner lying on the canvas ... lights out.

What a fighter.

Definitely one of my top three favourite heavy weights.

Willie Pep? An artist at work.

Another favoutite of mine was Tommy Hearns.




Nov 25, 2019, 12:40


Nov 25, 2019, 13:01

DA

I agree. Fury outboxed him 100%.

Fury got robbed. I said so at the time.

And after the knock down "Undertaker" moment...He got up and won the round. Pretty legendary.

The problem with heavyweights is that that their technique is generally poor as compared to smaller fighters.

They have one attribute and they maximise it because at that size and where that amount of power is involved, things become more simple.

That's why Wilder has 40KOs. That's why the big Russian bored us to death for ten years. He jabbed the heavyweight division into oblivion. Ja, it takes doing, but it's still boring as all hell.

It becomes a rock-paper-scissors game. Power-Movement-Range.

Fury = movement

Wilder = power

And itss why I like Wilder and why I liked Tyson. They're examples of the effect of power. Which to me is the most entertaining element of heavyweight boxing.

Exactly like what happened on Saturday. That WTF moment.

Loma is favorite boxer. He has everything aside from devastating power. 


Nov 25, 2019, 14:14

Yeah Plum

It's the knockouts that people definitely want to see, but as the history records will eventually show, it was a decent, better than most, heavyweight career for Wlad, even though it was incredibly boring.

If Wladimir had let his hands go more often, he would have been a more exciting heavyweight fighter, but he was way too scared to let them go or lose.... ever since our very own Corrie showed him what a southpaw can do.

I watched another highlights clip of Fury vs Wilder and to be brutally honest...…. it is fucking disgusting what happened to Fury..... he fought the perfect fight against Wilder, slipping all those right hands by millimeters …… and countering back so effectively, catching Wilder with more punches than I have ever seen him take in any one fight of his career

"Did you know that Joe Louis used his piano lesson money to sign up at a boxing gym?"

It was actually violin classes, and there is a story that he used to carry his boxing gloves around in that same violin case so that his mother would not know he was boxing...…. much like the fact that he fought under the alias... Joe Louis... so that his mother would not hear his name in the fighting world...or in public.

Nov 25, 2019, 14:18

I must say though, I do also rate Lennox Lewis very highly

He has an incredible piston like jab, with a moerse heavy right hand

He could have easily ended his career unbeaten if he had taken those two opponents that he lost to, more seriously..... and he never ducked anyone at all... he literally fought the best of the best in that era..... and poor Bowe also refused outright to fight him


Nov 25, 2019, 15:44

No ... it was definitely piano lessons. Google it yourself.

https://books.google.co.za/books?id=UyJKAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA29&dq=joe+louis+boxer+take+piano+lessons&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiO8sbbu4XmAhXRUBUIHfOSCUoQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=joe%20louis%20boxer%20take%20piano%20lessons&f=false.

and his name was Joseph Louis Burrows.

He was named the greatest heavyweight champ of all time in 2005 ... defending his title 25 times ... and reigned as champ for 11 years.

If you ever get the chance to read his book "How to Box" do so.

 

Nov 25, 2019, 17:10

Maybe the internet is confused, because here are some links to his violin lessons, including an article from the New York Post

Either way..... in all articles, it is very clear that he loved his music

Violin

Violin

Violin

Violin

Also, my bad, "Joe Louis" fought under this name, and not "Joseph Louis Barrow" so that his mother would not know that he was fighting, he was not born "Joe Louis"


Nov 25, 2019, 17:14

Thanks CC, will look for that book

Louis would not have handled a peak and ready Mike Tyson, and I am a massive fan of Joe..... but I just don't see it happening

When Tyson named himself the baddest man on the planet, it was honestly the first time ever that I thought that another human being fully deserved and could maintain that title...… he was a complete freak of nature, and to think he was heavily bullied as a youngster and it all changed when someone broke his racing pigeon's neck

Nov 25, 2019, 18:48

The teddy Atlas thing gives Tyson's story another dimension.

Think I've mentioned it here before. He reckons Tyson never beat anyone that actually came to fight. Says that he used to hide from bullies as a child and went back to that mental space when he couldn't win on raw talent.

Basically, he never had a warrior's heart. So if you matched him physically he'd hide.

Not saying I believe him. Just that when you look at his record, his losses, it does fit.

Even if that is 100% true, I dun care. All about the knockout and the moment for me.

Say what you want about Wilder, but he's a beast. Was this his tength title defence? 

In the Fury fight, people said the count was long. There's video showing that it was like 12 seconds. Still, he went all the way with Fury, who isn't a chump. 

He's been rocked too. The first Ortis fight is an example.

Does he hit as hard a Tyson? With 40KOs, I'm guessing his highlight reel is comparable.

Question is, how much braver than Tyson is he?


Nov 26, 2019, 06:48

Brace yourself, Plum. I'm going to post something that may provoke a tearful response from you.

Terribly sorry.. 

I see you are desperate to place Lazy Swinging Wilder in the same room as Iron Mike Tyson.

That is truly laughable. They're not in the same league. Iron Mike is the youngest heavyweight champion in history. He's also the youngest to unify the division. What has Wilder achieved ... at 34?   

Tyson knocked the first 20 of his opponents out ... 13 of them in the 1st round. He can send you to lalaland with either hand, unlike lazy Wilder who only has a right hand to depend on.

It took Lazy Swinging Wilder 7 rounds to stop Grandpa Ortiz ... a 40 year old bum ... and ... this after having fought him before.

It took Mike Tyson 91 seconds to knock the undefeated Michael Spinks lights out.

Grandpa Ortiz would not have finished the first round standing against Iron Mike, that I can guarantee you ... and you wanna compare Wilder to the most devastating puncher in boxing history?

What is wrong with you?

Oops ... did my "ugly little man" syndrome show itself again. Well, that's what you get when you posts stupid things.

Were you high when you posted this? Are you a junkie? Maybe you should consider booking yourself into a rehab center. Go for a little detox. I think you need it.


Nov 26, 2019, 07:37

Ja doosie.

Nov 26, 2019, 07:45

Did you guys see the clip that went Viral recently about Tyson, regarding his speed at 53 years of age

In case you missed it..... he was showing some tips to these youngsters.... it was just a few weeks ago

Here it is

Tyson at 53

Now go back 35 years before this...... to when he was 18

Fucking madness...… and in the true sense of the word...… the taller they all were, the harder they all fell

Tyson read every single book that he could and he watched every tape available, to learn every single aspect of boxing.  Lennox Lewis said that when they trained together, all Tyson ever did was sit and watch fighters that he respected and admired, to learn tricks from them......Lennox said it was absolutely non stop boxing lessons on videos

Tyson would have done what Ortiz should have done.... Tyson would have got inside, under Wilder's long arms and reach, and he would have pulverized the body, with hooks to the head, and then finally when the hands dropped, he would have put Wilder to sleep...….. there is no doubt in my mind

When Wilder was asked after the Ortiz fight, why he was behind on all the scorecards, he said he never cares about the rounds, because he knows the knockout will come sooner or later......and that, in my opinion, is not the mindset of a true boxer...… a true boxer would want to make 100% sure that he won, if the knockout doesn't come, and to do that, you need to actually box to win the rounds.

But, Wilder will probably go down as the greatest puncher of all heavyweights, and he does have freakish power...… which is mainly in the right hand, but I would very easily take Tyson on any given day, because he could put you to sleep extremely easy, with both hands

Put it this way, if your life was literally on the line, regarding the outcome of a fight, who would you want fighting for your life?

 


Nov 26, 2019, 07:45

Ok ... so I guess that's the end of our "debate" ...



Nov 26, 2019, 07:51

Come on guys

It was a decent discussion

Why fuck it up with personal bullshit..... for fucks sake

Nov 26, 2019, 08:21

Nice DA.

He's looking good at his age.

Most let themselves go by their mid forties.

I reckon this old man can take Grandpa Ortiz out right now.

No, I don't agree. There have been some ferocious bangers in the game. Lazy Wilder is just another wannabe who finds himself fighting in an era where the heavyweight division is light on superstars like Tyson. Fury and Joshua aren't exactly top draw.

Wilder may be able to bang, but who can forget Marciano's right hook against Jersey Joe Walcott in the 13th ... or the ferocious display by George Foreman against Smoking Joe ... or how Joe Louis took Max Schmeling apart in the 1st round. 

Wilder is a clown ... one who likes to wear fancy dress costumes to the ring ... pulling faces and bashing his chest like an ape ... which I presume is meant to intimidate. He's can afford to clown around because of the lack of talent in the division.

He's a stupid fighter and would never have been allowed to get away with it in years gone by.


 

Nov 26, 2019, 08:28

https://external-preview.redd.it/H4xsy__0SUq885rYd8bX3bPsAVeLXyWNF-U2PCC1fWs.jpg?auto=webp&s=56eef9307bcc61373c4ce676ccc2033abb5dd34d

Nov 26, 2019, 08:47

I actually agree with you CC, but I'm saying that the record books will show that Wilder had the highest percentage knockout ratio of all heavyweights, throughout heavyweight history, if he continues like he is now.

I don't have to agree with it, which I don't.... but the records will probably reflect that, if he continues with the knockouts

Just imagine a Larry Holmes against Wilder..... Holmes would have schooled Wilder with that jab of his...… which I rate as the best ever in the heavyweight division..... never mind Holmes's power

Nov 26, 2019, 08:48

What a classic piece of history that pic is

Absolutely fucking marvelous...…..

Nov 26, 2019, 09:25

Nov 26, 2019, 09:25

Plum , correct, it was Wilder's 10th title defense, making him only the 6th or 7th heavyweight in the 135 year history to achieve that stat.... more have done 9.

I have to say though, you genuinely cannot really compare those 10 defenses to those of Ali, Tyson or Holmes, never mind Frazier or Louis..... the competition was just so much more superior to what Wilder has faced

Some of Wilders opponents are listed here.....

Gerald Washington

Arthur Szpilka

Johann Duhaupas

Eric Molina

Who are these guys and where are they now?

I enjoy what Deontay brings, don't get me wrong...…..so it's not like I don't like him, but I just cannot compare him to the other greats...… I just can't

Nov 28, 2019, 14:14

Now it seems Wilder is complaining that Mike Tyson will not publicly give him praise for his performances.

He is unhappy that Tyson will apparently give Wilder praise, to those around him, but not to the media or the rest of the world

It seems Wilder is wanting some confirmation that he is doing well, in Tyson's eyes...… quite silly actually

Nov 30, 2019, 09:47

Is it not possible to appreciate both guys?

Surely one must give credit to a guy that can't box well yet has one powerful tool and manages to rack up 41 pro KOs using it?

How many boxers have reached his level after only haven taken up the sport as an adult.

That alone is a massive achievement.

And CC, you didn't prove anything. 

I have time this week and will continue your schooling on breath control and training techniques for improving hand speed.

Dec 02, 2019, 08:04

As I have already said Plum, I don't dislike Wilder at all..... he brings a lot of excitement to the heavyweight division, which is never a bad thing

He is the one running around though, stating that he is the most devastating heavyweight that ever lived.... and I don't agree..... not even close...…. but I certainly do respect what he has already achieved.

I thoroughly enjoy his fights, and I think he is a bloody good fighter.....but I don't have to agree with his opinion of himself, saying he is the best ever..... to enjoy those fights.

Ernie Shavers

Larry Holmes

Mike Tyson

Those 3 fighters alone, would knock Wilder out cold within 3 - 6 rounds

Dec 02, 2019, 08:19

DA

What did you think about Teddy Atlas' opinion(posted) on Tyson?

Before I saw that interview, I'd never have thought anyone could have that opinion.

For me, Wilder is a total freak. If he wins about five more fights he'll have booked his Hall of Fame spot.

What I like is that he knows he can't box well. He knows he has just one tool in the box. 

I've never seen a boxer able to gas opponents through intimidation alone. All he has to do is stand in front of them and by round 6 they'll slow down. They know they have to keep moving.

They best strategy is probably to do exactly as Ortiz did. But then hang back after the middle rounds and make him come to you. He isn't good at dictating the fight, and that's likely where one is able to beat him.

What are your thoughts on Lomachenko? Personally, I don't think that I've ever been a bigger fan of any player in any sport.

Dec 02, 2019, 10:03

Lomachenko started far too late in my opinion, but boy am I glad that he started

In Lomachenko, you are quite possibly looking at the best ever boxer to have graced this planet and the boxing ring, and I really do mean... the best ever...….but sadly, he did not start the sport when he should have, in my opinion

Atlas and Tyson had a very strange relationship, which only improved recently when Tyson apologised to Teddy at a fight that they both went to.

Tyson, in his autobiography said that only one fighter scared him, throughout his whole career, and it was actually the stare down in the ring right before the fight, that scared him, but he still knocked the guy out pretty quickly, I just cannot remember the fighter's name. 

Tyson said he could tell from a fighter's demeanour when he entered the ring, if he was a danger or not, and he reckoned this guy was a serious threat.

So no, I don't believe Tyson was scared....look what he did to Mitch Green on the streets outside of boxing..... and Mitch was an outright bully. 

I still clearly remember Tyson trying to put his mouthpiece back in after being knocked down and almost knocked out in the one fight...… and to me, that showed his true heart and a fighter's mentality

When you see the size of the fighters that Tyson took on, it's hard to imagine him being scared, and Tyson very openly talks about when he was bullied as a kid, until his first fight.

Maybe there is a element of truth to what Teddy says, but I don't really see it or believe it...….. but it could be why Tyson resorted to biting Evander when all else failed..... but Tyson said it was because Evander was repeatedly hitting him or butting him with his head, which Evander was notorious for doing.

Dec 03, 2019, 14:14

The ear biting is one of Atlas' avenues of evidence for his theory. 

Still, Tyson remains a favorite of mine.

I don't care if a guy loses some fights. It's how he wins the ones that he does that I care about. 

This is why I prefer Loma and Canelo to Mayweather. They're not afraid to fight. If you hide your chin behind your shoulder for twelve rounds I may as well have gone to watch a re-rerun of an actual fight instead. 

Loma did turn pro a few years too late, but in saying that, he is already in the position of having to move to different weight classes to find a match. When you're the champ and you can't find anyone brave enough to take a payday with a chance of a title...That's when you you know you own that division.

I've started watching Loma's fights at 75% speed. The more I slo it down, the more I realise what a master he is.

So ja, I fully agree with you ;)

Dec 03, 2019, 15:19

I am not a fan of Mayweather, never have been, but yeah, I watch his fights 

He has waited to fight people when they are either fading, or they are already at the end of their careers, barring Canelo, who was only 21 when they fought.

The way Mayweather ran away from Manny was a farce, but a lot of people support that notion of fighting, meaning, the art is to not get hit, which I agree with, but not to the extent that Mayweather does it......

Mayweather is good, but then what about Chavez Snr who fought absolutely everyone at the time, and only lost his first fight after 89-0...… or there about..... now he was a champion fighter of note.

Mayweather has ducked so many fighters when they were in their prime, and there are a lot, but he still maintains that he is far better than Ali..... he fully really does believe that he is the best human being to ever lace up gloves...….. I say no ways, far from it

Loma..... I just look in amazement at how he moves, how he punches, and how he switches to different various combinations...… footwork, brilliant...….. fighting angles....superb............ring generalship ….outstanding

Far ……. far better than Mayweather

Dec 04, 2019, 11:01

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjHaeloJvS0

See the similarity with Wilder's delivery system?

Kind of cool to see the spectrum of results achieved with the same trick by different fighters. Loma crutches on it to break you down. Wilder uses it as packaging for the death touch.

Brilliant

Dec 04, 2019, 14:40

There's been no fighter/boxer in the class of Vasyl...never seen such footwork and speed...I agree with DA...he is better than Mayweather. He strikes quicker than a viper

Most exciting fights...looking forward to when he fights...the winner of Lopez/Commey fight next year.

 
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