A strong tighthead. Oosthuizen is strong, but pathetic as a scrummager. Not the presence he once was in general play either.
It was quite something seeing the Jaguares being crumpled like toilet paper. At one point, with a buckled scrum, the commentator remarked that they were stable. Compared to the prior scrums, that says a lot. I'm not a fan of the 14 man lineouts though!
Tragic about the downturn in Argentine scrumming. I can remember how in 2013 Jannie and Steenkamp was going backwards at jet plane speed against the Argentine scrummers
As to the issue of the Sharks scrums - Oosthuizen has not been that good over the past few years and his scrumming remains a discussion point. Beast has been in decline already last year and he is not the scrummager he used to be. he was in fact replaced by Kitshodd as starting loose-head in the RC tests - a sure sign of decline, . ,
The starting props in 2013 were Beast and Jannie. That was the second test; The first was a blowout Bok win. In that second test, the Boks won all 9 of their scrums, Los Pumas only 6 of their 9. Gurthro was penalised once at a breakdown. Los Puma's front row were penalised 6 times, the tighthead 4 times.Clearly the Boks had the edge. They were quite clinical ball-in-hand though, and edged the Boks for territory.
The influence of SH rugby is quite rightly the culprit. In the SH, set pieces are moving closer and closer to rugby league: A mere way of getting the ball back in play. They are destroying the purity of the game.
I can remember Koosie giving the thumbs up to scrums having zero impact other than to feed the ball and get it going.
Many scrums has gone backwards “at jet plane speed” against Argentina in the past. Why? The Bajada scrum. If it is done to perfection it is unstoppable. But it has to be done to perfection.
The Jaguares do not have the services of guys like Ayerza and Herrera who were maters of the Bajada. Those two were one of the reasons for our struggles in those years. Read this piece from 2014, regarding the Bajada scrum. You may particularly enjoy like the part about Frans Malherbe doing something better than Jannie du Plessis. That is if you could get past the fact that the Arg scrum, as a whole, were at the top of their game. It was and not a matter of individual Boks being useless or of some Boks being either better or more useless than the next one.
Sadie has been one of the finds of the season thus far
Sorry Silly Billy - the year I referred to should have been 2014. The first test Beast and Janne started and it was a disgrace, played in a rain storm in Pretoria - the core was 13-9. The second test the score was 31-33 win by the Springboks. The props were Steenkamp and Jannie. The first stable scrum in that game was when Jannie was replaced by Malherbe.
Those were the jet speed retreat scrums games .
The debut of De Allende. He was dropped after conspiring to lose that test.
The Boks won 7/7 scrums that day; Los Pumas 3/4. Jannie received one penalty, the Puma loosehead one.
The second test, the game Lood was exposed as a plodder, remember the try? I believe I saw you blame Bissie alone? The du Plessis brothers accounted for three front row penalties in an iffy scrum performance. The game was characterised by a lack of ball carriers. Smith, Lood, Coetzee in particular, they all failed to deliver, thus the Boks struggled to lay a foundation.
This article suggests our scrumming is in good hands, and certainly the Bools seem to have finally twigged that power forward play has to include scrumming. But our scrumming decisions have been a mess. Here are a few examples:
1 Moving Thomas the Tank to tighthead....as he showed on the YE tour, he can be a potent loosehead.....and as he showed again last Saturday, he is a patsy at tighthead.
2 Bringing Vincent Koch back in the mix.....he will not survive against a power pack. He will be penalized.
3 Giving up on Wilco.....the young man mountain was a rock in 2017, but overplayed in 2018 and his form dropped. And there was no programme to help him back. In NZ or Ireland this kid would be cherished.
4 Picking the likes of Dreyer and Redlinghuis on the basis of their Lions' form when it was clear they aren't international standard.
5 Bringing Coenie back into the mix again and again....he can't scrum
6 Having the bench learning role assigned to Quotas like Nyakane and at hooker Bongi.....when players Kitshoff and Acker should have been learning their trade.
7 Relying solely on Malherbe, who had a solid 2018....despite his prior scrumming woes and frequent injuries.
8 But most crucially ......failing to be really committed to a power scrum.....accepting neutral performances from Kitshoff and Malherbe as meeting expectations. With our huge pack a dominant scrum is a necessary payoff.
These big men are not going to excel in open field play......like the Bools we are compelled to seek dominance at scrum time. And truth to tell, other than the Beast's dominance in the Lions series, our scrum has been at best a neutral.
I believe a Thomas (at loosehead) Marx, Wilco front row coached by a really astute scrumming coach could give us that dominant scrum. A Kitshoff, Marx, Malherbe scrum is at best a neutral.
In all the years I have been following the Boks, I think the 97 Lions tour was a turning point. Since then, we've had maybe three good years of scrumming. Interesting selections. I really like Kitshoff's overall game, but Wilco, I can buy into that.
Kitshoff Marx Wilco is the perfect frontrow, with Pierre Schoeman, Aker and Thomas as our back ups
Kitshoff is a fine prop and a decent player in the loose. His hands aren't great, but we don't have tight forwards who can handle the ball like Healey for example. Still Kitshoff is predictable and reliable.
But he's not a game changer.
Posters talk about the disappearance of Bargie scrum dominance.....that happened when Ayerza departed. He was a destructive loosehead. Scrumming dominance flows from loosehead dominance.
But another approach is to aim your most destructive scrummager at the replacement props. You could start Kitshoff and unleash Thomas at minute 50.
Either way, we have to get serious about dominating the scrums....Ireland does and they killed off France last week when they destroyed the Frog replacement tighthead who got a yellow. That could have been Vincent Koch.
Disagree I think Kitshoff is the best loosehead in the game definitely better than Healey with ball in hand.
Healey does not stand out as much as Kitshoff does. Healey is solid.
The key to Irish scrum success is Furlong at tighthead
Probably true but it was Healey and his replacement who destroyed the Frog scrum. Healey also made that attempted touch down through the scrum....none of our props would have the wit to do that. Britz might...but I still wouldn't pick him.
Healey is good, certainly one of the best out there.
As for the French, they are a predictable mess
What test did the Springboks lost when De Allende was dropped? Careful now.
Another lie from Silly Billy? Why no response.
How come De Allende was dropped for losing a test when in both Argentina he was the best ball carrier in the backline second only to Willie le Roux?
Hard for you not to be caught out for being what you really are - a habitual liar.