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Feb 14, 2023, 16:03

Harrassmiss is embroiled in a new spat….yet another windmill to tilt at. This time it’s Mallett who had the confidence and gravitas to be a bit critical. Off he went on another somewhat insane rant.

But he is a genius his supporters opine. What about his record since the WC….2 years of 8/5….no semblance of a challenge for the RC, no progress on broadening our tactics, slow emergence of new talent, embarrassing conflicts with officials.

Ah, say his supporters, that’s not Harrassmiss that’s Nienaber. If Harrassmiss hadn’t handed over the reigns we would have probably won a RC and had a much stronger record.

But here’s the thing Harrassmiss never needed to hand over the reigns. He did that voluntarily. He has been given unprecedented freedom to act, much more than White or Meyer. But with that comes accountability……he is responsible for results. If Nienaber wasn’t competent he should never have been given the job….he decided that.

So Harrassmiss owns the 8 and 5 record. And if that’s because Nienaber can’t do the job he needs to formally become the coach again. What’s that? You say he never left, well that’s just outrageous.

Feb 14, 2023, 17:59

What a load of crap Moz

The facts are Mallett was speaking utter shit and Rassie has embarrassed him by calling his number

Rassie does not have an 8/5 record that’s a lie

We played great rugby on the EOYT

We were better than Ireland and France

The tactics changed - we played far more attacking rugby

You are speaking kak Moz

Feb 14, 2023, 18:15

You have very low standards Saffex. The Bok attacking game has never even once been world class under Erasmus. Last year being the most scattershot, ragged, clueless, inaccurate and laughable of his reign. The big tactical gimmick... the sliding second layer to make us even more lateral on top of the crabbing. 

Feb 14, 2023, 20:27

By Harrassmiss’ own words he said he would do anything and everything to make the Bok’s succeed. If we take him at his word that means the best he can do with the Boks is 8 and 5.

Case closed….damages to follow.

Feb 14, 2023, 20:32

I Agree Boks should be doing way better on attack…..don’t understand how losing to France & Ireland made us play good Rugby? This is alarm bells….because the only good thing about the “ slow Poison “ Style was, that the Boks we’re able to still close out those close grinds against Top teams….so that’s gone to… much chances and precious time is wasted on field with hunting for the penalties, instead of Attack… So Rassie is not the best coach and he needs to now, leading up to WC, put his money where his mouth is !!

Feb 14, 2023, 20:44

The drops, fumbles, poor lines of running and general errors were of no concern to Coach Saffy. Neither were the defensive lapses. This man must have been born with rose tinted irides! :D

The lengths he will go to excuse Erasmus is only equalled by the inexhaustible guff he spews out against the likes of White and Meyer. Note how in each and every exchange he has no facts to hand. No references, or anything that can be verified by film. Just feelings enforced by profanity and insults. When I read his scribbles I always do so with the voice of South Park's Eric Cartman, another portly fellow. 

Feb 14, 2023, 20:52

Moz I know you are not stupid so banging on about 8/5 is a little worrying for you can’t seriously be stupid enough to believe that Rassie had any influence on the side when he was not present

Do you seriously believe a coach can do his job via a telephone

Rassie’s major strength is player management - just ask the Irish assistant coaches under him at Munster

The players love and believe in Rassie they don’t have the same respect for Neinaber for obvious reasons and the record with Neinaber on his own proves that

Your 8/5 is a joke and simply far removed from reality

Case closed

Feb 14, 2023, 20:56

So Erasputin has gone from being a visionary and technical genius to a motivational speaker. 

I'm sorry Saffy, but 8/5 is very much a reality. Imagine a person who routinely calls other stupid telling someone that an 8/5 is far removed from reality. Maybe your dreams are more vivid than your fleeting moments of consciousness, but I assure you, this doesn't make it any closer to being reality. :D

Feb 14, 2023, 21:04

Dave he said he would do anything in his power to make the Boks succeed. Nienaber is totally within his power, so poor performances by Nienaber is no excuse.,,,he blew it.

Feb 14, 2023, 21:21

Mattet se bek was nog altyd te groot.

Feb 14, 2023, 22:32

“ As a coach, I have always had a run, pass and then kick philosophy but my order is not the same as theirs. For me to hang around there and just want to attack, attack, attack when it was not really the philosophy, wouldn’t have served the group. If I was still part of the Bok management team I would encourage them to attack and run much more than they are currently doing. For me, it isn’t a case of not kicking but rather how you kick. I believe you’ve got to kick for two reasons: to get the ball back and to apply heavy pressure. I don’t enjoy when the Boks make it a 50/50 contest and don’t play (with ball-in-hand) in their half. “ - Swys de Bruin…..Rassie and his 1 dimensional BS that really drove Swys Away.

Feb 15, 2023, 00:50

Rassie was not physically present as a coach

You can’t coach a side or motivate players or have an influence on match day via a phone


Feb 15, 2023, 02:59

But it was his choice not to be present….accountability for what you can control, these are things he could control. You are arguing he wasn’t there so he isn’t responsible. I’m arguing his role is to deliver results…nobody but he himself made that more difficult.

Feb 15, 2023, 13:12

I read on news 24 that Leicester Tigers are looking for a new Head coach after Steve Borthwick,s departure ….they have shortlisted 3 names: Michael Cheika , Dan McFarland and none other than Rassie Erasmus. Rassie,s Lawyer Frikkie says he is contracted until 2025 but a clause in his contract allows him to leave earlier…Interesting

Feb 15, 2023, 16:55

My guess is Erasmus has done his overseas stint. If he was looking for a major international coaching appointment he wouldn’t have gone after the refs. If the Boks stumble though, he may abandon his contract in a huff and leave for less a challenging environment …but only after the WC. 

Feb 16, 2023, 01:00

Moz how the fuck was it Rassie’s choice to not be present when he was banned?

Feb 16, 2023, 05:55

AT a stretch you could argue the banning in 2021 was unanticipated, if you naively buy that the release of the tape was a mistake….the banning in 2022 was eyes wide open. 

But at a more fundamental level….Harrassmiss has delivered for  a 3 week period in 4 years….he’s accountable.

Feb 16, 2023, 22:30

That’s your take which of course is a load of biased crap

Feb 16, 2023, 22:56

Erasmus has a history of bending rules. A long one. 

Feb 16, 2023, 23:18

Nothing wrong with bending the rules I spend my life doing the same

Feb 17, 2023, 05:38

It’s a simple concept Dave:

‘Accountability is a key component in leadership. Essentially, it is the act of holding yourself accountable to others. To be an effective leader, you must be able to hold yourself accountable for your actions and decisions, as well as the actions and decisions of those who report to you.’

In other words having booted himself upstairs and appointed Nienaber, Harrassmiss is accountable for Nienaber’s results.

Feb 17, 2023, 14:11

Another golden thread.

While accountability is supposed to be a pillar in today's society as set by governing principles, gaming accountability actually is the mark of a leader or whatever.

These days, people who let themselves trapped by accountability do not last long in power positions.

Accountability, claim it when it is profitable, dismiss it when it is not. In fact, no accountability.

So this guy should be held accountable. Accountable what for.

For the lack of results: SA rugby are the WC title holder therefore by grace of title holding, the best team in the world.

Incoming failure at the WC: one must set criteria to determine failure: failure to win the tournament, failing in round of 4, round of 8.

Style of play: the best one probably. The issue of SA rugby is larger than coaching. No players to play rugby. This guy had at least one merit: finding a way to get enough out of mediocre players, just enough to win luckily a WC.

Beyond that, if ever this guy was held accountable for the play style, his successor would be not. Successor will use claims to change playstyle as a means to overthrow, when in position, will meet the same wall of lack of quality in players, will probably blame quota players as the cause for his failure, will reduce their number in the team, team still will not play rugby but with more white players in it, SA rugby supporters are pleased.

Guy"s nervosity is understandable: people attacking him have no arguments other than cheap shots. This guy perceived it and will cling in reaction to his position.

Feb 17, 2023, 15:58

"This guy had at least one merit: finding a way to get enough out of mediocre players, just enough to win luckily a WC."

mediocre my arse...bunch of generational world class players in that group...envious pr!ck!

Feb 17, 2023, 16:16

Trad seriously…you should stick with the nonsense you know.

Feb 17, 2023, 17:14

When i hear love songs, i don’t miss old flames…i miss Swys.

Absolute legend. And i’m still not fully buying the mental health stuff. Cynical, but i do think there was something else/more at play.

Swys and Rassie are far too different. Playing the way that Rassie wants to play, there was no point having Swys there, and I’m still half convinced that it was why he opted out.

Rassie won us silverware and he deserves credit for that. I honestly don’t mind the guy too much. But Swys is his better…by a mile.

Feb 17, 2023, 18:34

A Swys & Dobbo team will be legendary. 

Feb 17, 2023, 19:51

I honestly have never liked the guy….from the time he was a Bok, and again when he abandoned the Boks right on the eve of the WC 2007. ‘Do anything’ to ensure Bok results my foot.

What he did do right was abandon the ball in hand Rugby we tried to play 2017/18 and go back to defense, and set piece superiority. And  somewhat luckily we won the WC, finishing with a strong performance against England.

A great opportunity beckoned, we had a fabulous core of players, mostly inherited from HM and Coetzee. Instead Erasmus came up with the goofy Nienaber move, took on World reffing and lost the plot. We plunged to 8/5.

In the meantime he did a poor job of building new talent and expanding our tactics off the much improved defense and set piece play.

Admittedly I have never much liked the man, but his tenure post the WC is a waste of a great opportunity. If our press was a bit more critical perhaps he would have been a better coach. But as in politics we just don’t seem comfortable with criticism

Feb 17, 2023, 20:20

There is 100% some weirdness with the selections post the WC.

Some good players that get a shot, do well…and then we don’t see them again. Moodie…scores a cracking try against OZ and then bye bye :/

That team they selected against Wales is still a mystery of mysteries. I don’t think even Rassie knows what they were trying to achieve with that. What a shit show.

The fascination with DDA will forever befuddle me too.

I agree with Draad though, Swys and Dobbo…damn i’d love to see that team. Particularly now when we have some great young forwards and a group of very attacking players coming to the fore.

Feb 17, 2023, 20:29

The Welsh loss was actually our best performance of the series. That team wasn't so bad. It was amazing how Wales lost the other two. 4 scrums lost to them in the second win. Moodie is a filler selection. There is a core that Rassie trusts, and a lot of utility backs that couldn't crack a starter role. We seem to have the largest pool of utility backs in world rugby. It's a curse, in spite of the depth it may add to our weak core. We have a lot of speed on the wings, but little skill, tactical awareness, aerial prowess, defensive acumen, or work rate off the ball. Mapimpi has gotten lazy under Erasputin, and started showing some cracks despite being out best overall wing. Pollard is another who has regressed under Erasputin, as well as Am. 

Feb 17, 2023, 21:09

Kolisi is playing much better for the Sharks than he plays for Boks….no idea why that would be true, but it’s pretty obvious.

Feb 17, 2023, 22:04

The lower level is more advantageous because of weaker defence and more freely give space. Test rugby is not in a good place, that filters down. Look at Roos. All that endeavour against weaker defending, but what at test level? Nothing. Kolisi is a big back who can make some metres against passive and weaker defences. All things need to be quality tested. The pseudo fans love the personality of the player so much that they ignore the facts. 

Feb 17, 2023, 22:11

Roos kicked arse agaist the Poms last year...fractured rib and level.

Feb 18, 2023, 06:50

If that's the quality of performance Roos requires at test level to look vaguely passable, then I rest my case. 

Feb 18, 2023, 07:51

Two of the most ignorant and prejudiced BSters on site  have a free hand to spout their BS on site - it must be the 5 000st  comment on shit they have spouted about Erasmus.   It started before his appointment as Director of Rugby in 2018 and has never stopped since.

They are totally ignorant and prejudiced about rugby issues and has nothing else to do on site than go ballistic about nothing.            

Feb 18, 2023, 14:38

Michael, you are in the camp, with Rooinek/Mrs Searle, who posts lies and errant twaddle without any hint of conviction. I have to continually school you on basic facts, along with Saffex, because your understanding of Bok rugby at even a trivia level is shockingly inadequate. Talking xs and os with karp is a terribly drawn out ordeal. 

Feb 18, 2023, 15:23

Poor old Michael…what better a person not to understand accountability than  a government worker.

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