Both these players are built similarly. They are wiry and have fantastic pace and beautiful runners in open play. Silky smooth weaving between players when given space. Both boast a siege gun boots and on their day   can hurt teams from long range penalties. Both are the same with Bosch having the most first class games. 

Manie had to endure a longer road both were used as 15s at some point due to the lack physicality in contact. 

Bosh is now in D2 in France. Hoping to revive his career. 

Manie found a home with the Stormers and played spectacular rugby. Everything just clicked but we knew he was a confidence player.

In his 2nd season at the Stormers he was still excluded from the bok alignment camp and was a late addition to the bok squad after Jantjies misadventures. Frans Steyn knees packing in and Willemse not able to hold down the bok 10 spot. 

Manie finally got invited to the boks. I felt he should have been capped the year before. He did buckle in the Stormers 2nd home final. He then had a great run with the boks but his kicking came into question in the final and should have won the game. He then went on an amazing run with the boks. The peak of this run was at Twickenham against the All Blacks, that day he got all his kicks and my mate and I joked that he was drinking from his favourite red bottle. 

Then came the World Cup. He had a blinder against Scotland. Cross field no look kick pass for a try. However, against Ireland he started to show his frailty. Then against France he had to be pulled and on came Pollard. Against England he couldn’t even get to the 30 min mark. The pressure was on, the weather changed and he struggled to connect his kicks and his passing starts to drop. 

Pollard pull the boks back in the final 15 min. He then got dropped from the final and it was a tough call for Rassie. 

Post World Cup Manie woes continues as the Stormers got dumped out the playoffs, yet again his kicking and poor away form. Rassie extended a life line to him and he missed a sitter. He came back against Argentina, but with that bok pack no flyhalf should struggle giving the 10 all that front foot ball. This reminds of how great Larkham and Gregan was back in the day. Their pack went backwards all the time but the some how found ways to win and made forward dominance a non factor. Manie is a different story. 

He had another crack against Scotland but also gave an average performance and still missed easy kicks. 

He had a rest before the start of the season but his recent game against Toulon was his worst and most brutal game. Having a small winger cut him in half, constantly running into oncoming players. Being indecisive, throwing loose passes and his kicking just now working. 

I think Manie is run is over and as written, and so many coaches have seen, he is not a man for the big moments. Pollard has done it so many times, Sasha has guts and he just backs himself, Hendrikse, still needs work but he has shown in poor conditions that he can come through. There is no room for Manie and we should not waste caps on him anymore. I would rather invest in a 4th flyhalf, but not Manie. Wolhouter is starting to show promise after all his injuries. Then there is the tiny Nohamba that is electric and a great kicker. Very brave player. Don’t forget about Masuka who, like Mpimpi is a late bloomer. I would invest in the latter. 

I feel for Manie, when he is on fire he is amazing and I would want him any day. But his off days are equal to his good days. When is on fire, unstoppable. When he is off , he is horrendous. 

Wolhuter is good and I hope he can stay injury free.

Masuku is finding his rhythm and seems to be playing consistent.

It seems Manie is lacking self belief? Like the other hot stormers steppers….hot or extremely cold.

The Question is, will Manie still find his Mojo? Or is it over? Well I don’t think Erasmus will drop him or maybe he will.

One thing is for certain, his form at the moment is more negative and unreliable, then it ever was.

He had a shit game so what most of the Stormers did - the only player that looked good was Ruben v Heerden

But at stages you could see the guys class with those pin point flat passes that put players into space

Bosch never had that and he was brittle, Manie might get smashed but he puts his body on the line trying

Ja, but Manie is now in his 2nd season displaying poor form for the Stormers. Can we continue with him. He is making so many mistakes at the moment. I just don't think the road back looks good for him. The pressure is on and Toulon really exposed him. I don't know what Dobbo is thinking, but globe trotter rugby is not on the cards when you have such a physical French teams. Those guys can go toe to toe with the boks and I almost feel that the dominated the boks last time out up front. They are the one team that can match the boks physically if they want to. 

The stormers were too soft, no hard forwards up front to take it to them. Toulon pack are full of thugs. You can see that their props were up for a fight. Not so much the soft Stormers that think they can razzle dazzle their way out of trouble. 

Manie just need to take a few months off, go back to the currie cup, get some pressure situations and see if he can cope, but until then, he is cooked. 

Manie is a must - I see him as our 3rd choice 10 behind Sacha and Pollard

He brings something different and I love it

He is another Elton, Quade, Russel, Smith etc - these players are gems as they create where most can’t

Embrace them don’t quash them - thankfully Rassie is on board with this philosophy

It’s clear to see that Libbok needs a break. He needs to regroup and Get the necessary assistance.

But I bet that he has had all the assistance he needs and it’s in his hands now. His brains was almost knocked out by that cheap shot.

So this might be the perfect opportunity to take a break and just get well again physically and Especially Mentally.

Something is obviously wrong with his mental strength/ BMT.

Sure he brings something different…infirmity. 

Little man Manie....

Some on here are so fucking rugby verkrampte

Players like Manie are beyond them - their pathetic conservatism would rather see a Morne Steyn