Rassie is an awesome human being

15. Fassi

14. Kolbe

13. Kriel

12. de Allende

11. Arendse

10. Libbok

9. Hendrikse

1. Ox

2. Bongi

3. Malherbe

4. Etzebeth

5. Nortje

6. Kolisi

7. PSDT

8. Wiese

16. Marx 17. Steenkamp 18. Koch 19. Elrigh Louw 20. Kwagga 21. Reinach 22. Pollard 23. Am

Hats off to Rassie for starting Manie - that is beautiful

Pretty happy with the team...hope Manie has a blinder!!!!

What a credit to Rassie for giving him a lifeline - the man is just a fucking beaut

Now that is something alright !! I also hope Manie will be on his best. With Manie starting we might also see a more open game.

Manie has excellent distribution skills and can cause havoc on the right day. So Rassie is making a Statement here. His not dropping anybody that easy.

Manie played well apart from that bad missed penalty at the end. Rassie wants Pollard to close it out.

Anybody know what condition Kolbe is in. He went Awol on Saturday. 

Player who may not have what it takes. 

Thomas du Toit is a big man but compare the work he puts in to that of Ox. Koch at least contributes outside the scrum. Du Toit not that much. 

I like the look of Wessels at hooker. Expect big things from him. 

Moerat is a non entity. 

Dixon is certainly no Steph DuToit. It is of course early days so we shall see.  Very very difficult to full the big boots of Steph! 

I felt our lose trio could do with a bit more pace against a side like Argentina. Hope Roos comes back soon. 

Nortje is a find. Huge engine and terrific work rate. Reminds me of Mostert but more powerful. 

Am is better suited to 13. Allende is still da man. 

I have to also say Kriel on the wing is an option. Bring on Am and put Jessie on the wing. Strengthens our defence. 

Fassie has the goods but doesnt quite have the head of a Willie Le Roux yet. 

Hope Willemse comes back and is still the player he was

Expecting the Boks to come bouncing back at Nelspruit. 

Congrats to Eben breaking the record of I CON IC wee matfiled as the most capped Bok ever. Best con artist to ever play the game!! 

I do hope wee Rooitwit will acknowledge that Eben is an all time great dispite being so rough. Hahahahahahaha. 

Kak team, just looked at the stats this years on Pollard. He has only played 300 min of test rugby out a 1000. Pieter Steph tops the most minutes this season. 

Would you ever use your key player like this. Ireland would never chop and change Jonny Sexton. If he is fit, he would play. Way use Pollard so sparingly. He has tried 3 10s this season, one has backfired against Argentina. 

I'm also concerned as I don't know who the number twos are and who are the real starting 15 or even 22. 

Had a feeling Manie would play again. Better to start him too than have him come on later.

Anybody know what condition Kolbe is in. He went Awol on Saturday.

KC

Better accept it Pollard is on the way to the coaching set-up and not the 2027 RWC.   Although only missing one kick at goal Pollard's comtrbution last week was so-so - in other words below par.  

I think some of the oldies are also still playing - but the problem was in the backlne where defense went to pieces.    I think wth De Allende at 12  Libbok will improve in playng.   Pollard once said that De Allende is the best no 12 center he ever played with and  take the load off the shoulders of the flyhalfs and  Pollard obviously missed him on Saturday as well.    .        

Yes, starting with Libbok is a better option. If the game is close near the end, the Boks will need a pole kicker than can close out games.

Mike I thought Pollard had a very good game. 

Some criticised Rassie for taking him off but it looked  like Handre was feeling the 36 degree heat. 

If Shaca was fit and playing either Pollard or Libbok would not have been  in the 23 on  the tests  against the Agentinians. both away and at home.            

If Shaca was fit and playing either Pollard or Libbok would not have been  in the 23 on  the tests  against the Agentinians. both away and at home.            

“ Anybody know what condition Kolbe is in. He went Awol on Saturday.”

He didnt play, you numb but.

He didnt play, you numb but.

Well, there goes the little inside joke of the week

I doubt this has much to do with loyalty.

It's the last RC game, there are no other 10s in the squad since Sacha is injured.

Unless Manie plays a blinder, I'm not seeing much hope for him appearing on the end of year tour.

Manie is toast...sorry all you WP boys.

This will be his last chance to make the tour.

Disagree Plum he could just as easily have brought in Jordan Hendrikse who played against Wales earlier in the year who showed big BMT slotting the winning CC final kick

That is loyalty from Rassie - he makes the right calls just like he did yanking Manie off at minute 30ish in the WC

"Manie is toast...sorry all you WP boys."

We know he shouldn't be taking the kicks ...and he will have poor games...but there'll be magic too...lots of it...

His kicking woes is similar to a hooker missing his jumpers...I don't see the calls for axing Bongi or Marx for missing a couple...

It won’t be close, it’s a meaningless gesture ….Manie’s career is dependent on learning to kick under pressure, not starting with a Pollard lifeline.

Manie is a lucky packet and shouldn't play past the 60 min mark, unless the match is beyond loosing...and if he's having a poor outing, sub him in the first half...manage his strengths AND weaknesses...he's something like Carlos Spencer...nobody better than him when on song, but boy can he be k@k when not.

Meaningless gesture my arse it’s a beautiful gesture by a brilliant coach - it’s touches like this that set him apart

We would have all dropped Manie after that miss but not Rassie

Draad is right - Manie is a class act - play him correctly - if he plays he needs to start, he cannot be relied upon to close out a game

Manie is toast...sorry all you WP boys."

"We know he shouldn't be taking the kicks ...and he will have poor games...but there'll be magic too...lots of it..."

Compare Manie's magic in his entire Bok career to Sacha's. There's a massive difference.

In terms of magic I'm choosing Sacha.

Compare Manie's solidity to Pollard's. Again, night and day.

In terms of dependability, I'm choosing Pollard.

Now let's compare guys that deserve a chance. Manie has had a chance and he hasn't really created much. His distribution and pace should see him creating, but he's about par as far as creating goes. Defence, probably below par.

So if we're talking chances, I'm gonna say we need to give Hendrikse a shot now.

Honestly, I'm not a Manie hater. Just that logically I can see any use in keeping him right now...based on his performances during and since the WC.

Manie has been suspect kicking for poles but has been great at putting players into space

It would be pretty poor to define him by his sometimes suspect goal kicking when there is far far more to him

Rassie clearly likes and rates him and I completely get that

Pollard is at the end of his career and therefore we need three 10’s we have them in Pollard, Sacha and Manie

The only real challenger to this group should be Masuku as Jordan Hendrikse is finding himself playing less and less at 10 and more at 12 and 15 these days much like Willemse plus his kicking is as a long range option, he plays second fiddle to Masuku at the Sharks as he did to Nohamba at the Lions

Pollard gives us solidity and a bit of physicality at 10, Sacha and Libbok give us flair and creativity

Given this selection Manie is clearly going nowhere and is certainly not toast just like Roos, Ben Jason Dixon etc are not

Manie also can’t tackle…can’t run in tight spaces. And as things stand, he obviously can’t kick under pressure. A toasted bagel that Harrassmiss has included to demonstrate he is his own man. If this was a final at risk….just as in the WC , Manie wouldn’t be playing.

So a meaningless gesture more to make Harrassmiss look good than to save Libbok. The man is so transparent.

Nothing wrong with Maine’s defence - I’m yet to see him fail defensively

Sure given his size he is not going to target contact but that’s not his role

As for your pathetic take on Rassie we’ll shock shock you never have a good word to say about him

It’s childish

What is really funny is that you dislike Rassie but like Jake White who is a complete prick

Very strange but hey ho

Oh yeah those wonderful stats that are so damn accurate like Mostert never missing a tackle in the 2019 WC final

They are a load of shit. If Manie was that bad a defender he would not be playing test rugby

Hardly a dominant tackle but he gets the job done

I think we would not have stayed within reach of France's score for Pollard to make those vital kicks he did in the quarters, without Manie.

Manie is a quality player - that is without doubt

I’m a big fan

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The human brain retains things better after repeating them 3 times….I trust  that helps Dave or does Harrassmiss do all your thinking for you?

Absolute nonsense Draad, Manie’s only contribution to our try scoring was a 50/50 cross kick that happened to fall to Dud Allende. Any flyhalf could have made that kick.

Moz don’t act stupid - that was not my call that was what I thought Rassie would do. But Rassie is bigger than that and it’s that quality that sets him apart. The man is special.

I’m not stupid enough to define Manie as a player based on one missed kick

I’m also not stupid enough to declare that Pollard won us all those WC games or that we won them because opposition players missed their kicks

Rugby is a 15 man game played over 80 min - the team did the work to get that penalty which Manie missed but given how they had played over 80min saying they deserved to win it would be a stretch

We were poor against the Argies unlike the tests we won and lost in the WC where we were the better side as we were in the two tests against Ireland

Manie is a class player but we can’t rely on him to kick our points at the end of the game.

Simple solution is that when you do choose to play him it has to be as a starter

Amazing …here are the stays vs Bargie last year. Incredible how those stats are always wrong for Libbok

Versus Oz last year….again the stats are only wrong for Libbok

Look at those Aussie numbers….Libbok lost the ball 3 times, made 4 tackle attempts and missed 2.  Game after game the numbers are the same. 

Nobody dislikes his gliding runs or sensitive passes, realists just recognize you can’t start a serious test with a player who can’t defend his channel is stripped of the ball and can’t kick when you need him to kick.

Selecting that player says you have no other options, or the test is easily won  anyway or you have another agenda.

It’s a certainty that Manie does not have an issue defending for if he did he would not be playing test rugby especially at 10

Just like Fassi was sent away to go work on his defence - that has never happened to Manie which confirms the fact that his defence is fine

There is only one issue with Manie and that’s taking pressure kicks despite the fact that he has landed some pressure kicks in his time

Sure you would not select him to kick in a WC final but most the tests we play are not cup or competition deciders so it’s not an issue

Manie is a useful member of the squad, is one of the few that is under 30 so I fully get Rassie showing faith in him and investing in him

Good on Rassie - Manie is a class act

Mostert does not have an issue dominating collisions.

He has never been sent away to bulk up (and slow down).

There is only one issue with Mostert, he isn’t a monster lock despite the fact that he has outplayed many monsters in his time.

Good on Rassie-Mostert is a class act.

Mostert has never dominated a collision in his life nor has he EVER outplayed any lock

Name a single thing of note that Mostert has ever done in a test

Rassie does not expect him to dominate collisions as he knows better, so he would not send him away to bulk up

Huge difference between not being able to tackle and dominating collisions when it’s not your role

Rassie’s biggest failing is selecting the utterly useless Mostert and what really pisses me off is we have another fucking Mostert in Nortje but at least Nortje is a far better player

Rassie is crap when it comes to identifying locks other than Eben, Lood and RG. His record is 50% as Orie, Mostert and Nortje are pretenders

We are deep into upside down world at this point.

Here we are, busy justifying the inclusion of an extremely unreliable 10, who is faulty in other areas as well, when we are not short on good young 10s and have an incumbent with yonks of experience and who'll be spoken of for years to come as "having ice in his veins".

Nobody wanted Manie to fail or is happy that he did. But he has failed.

He's failed under pressure and been average/below average everywhere else.

So, we can't use him to close out games. Meaning all that is left is to start him...ahead of Pollard or Sacha who are both better 10s!!!

I mean, listen to yourselves FFS?

Wrong he has not been average or below elsewhere

If that was the case, you would have a point but you don’t

The only thing we can’t rely on Manie doing right now is kicking pressure kicks at the end of the game

His value outside of this is positive and Rassie knows this and realises that he has to be utilised differently as he will be this weekend

We all had our moments of enthusiasm about Manie….I remember thinking here is another Larkham. But time has eroded that vision…Libbok  is a rabbit in space, but how much space does Ireland give you. 

Take that away and he is a less than average runner in traffic, tissue paper could mount a better defense, he loses the ball in every game 2,3, 4 times. His game management has never been a strength and he can’t be relied on as the kicker when it matters.

He has failed. We often hear the phrase, he deserves another chance. This man has had 17 chances. He may have a great game in a winning Bok team on Saturday, but we all know that player would disappear if he was in Dublin needing to make a crucial kick.

It’s  ironical that Dave would castigate Harrassmiss for picking a massive contributor like Mostert, while praising him for rewarding Libbok’s performance against the Bargies.

Rassie is crap when it comes to identifying locks other than Eben, Lood and RG. His record is 50% as Orie, Mostert and Nortje are pretenders

I'm sure you forgot to add the utterly useless Moerat.

He  disgraces the jumper.

"...realists just recognize you can’t start a serious test with a player who can’t defend his channel is stripped of the ball and can’t kick when you need him to kick."

Unfortunately that's true...if Saturday was a RWC final...or even a quartar, I would be very concerned...very brave of Rassie still picking him...reminds me of Naqele vuki for the Stormers back in the day.

I'm sure you forgot to add the utterly useless Moerat.

No, Dave rates Moerat. He'll take a limp 120kg six foot sixer over a warrior like Mostert.

Moz what does Mostert do that is massive - makes process tackles - is that the job of a Bok test lock - NO

Mostert is useless based on the fact that he adds nothing physically and is hardly a great player in general play to offset that lack of grunt

What does he actually do that makes you sit up and think wow? Sweet fuck all

The fact that you clowns think making 15 tackles a game defines a Bok lock is laughable

Yes he takes his line out ball and the odd kick off wow - that’s the job of a lock

If your Bok lock can’t impose himself physically in the carry, the tackle, the clean out, the scrums, the mauls, the maul defence etc then he should not be there

As for Manie he is a quality player that adds value in setting up our attack - this is a fact and he is therefore a valuable squad member - would I start him ahead of Sacha and Pollard - no

Speaks volumes of Rassie who had good reason to dump Libbok which probably would have led to the end of his career instead now there's the possibility of Libbok redeeming himself.

G'onya Rassie.

Edit: Lest we forget

Gavin Hastings believes Scotland could have won the 1991 World Cup had he not missed a crucial penalty in their semi-final against England. Hastings, who is to be inducted into IRB Hall of Fame, said his close-range miss in the 9-6 defeat was his greatest regret from his playing days.

Spot on Denny it’s a beautiful touch by Rassie and speaks volumes for the man

It’s why his players love him and respect him so much

You don’t define a player by his ability to kick for poles or not - he adds plenty of value elsewhere

As Rassie said it’s not only Manie that has to find solutions for his kicking woes, the coaching staff has to do the same - hence selecting Manie to start with Pollard as back up or select a side that has two kickers in the starting side

Not being able to see the value that Mostert brings is exactly why you are having a hard time convincing anyone here that you're an expert on what locks are supposed to bring to the party. 

Manie has been suspect on: 

Tackling

Taking contact and losing the ball

Line kicking

Kicking at Goals

Then Mike,

This game plan of playing side to side doesn't suite Pollard. It is also dumb rugby because we are exposed at the breakdown and we get easily out flanked when direction is switched. 

We thrive on keeping the game tight, work off set pieces and grinding teams down physical. 

We don't have the skills or hands when you have Dud the tractor just plowing the ball up the midfield. Kolisi playing wing and not too the ball. 

We need to strike a balance between tactical kicking and gain line dominance. 

We need to strike a balance between tactical kicking and gain line dominance. 

We need players to put their hands up for the amount of faith that's been put into them but that said we also need to have an on field leadership team.

Fly right or fly outa sight.

It’s mostly about who Rassie likes, his favourites. Don’t get me wrong I see some of Libbok,s attributes yes.

But it hasn’t worked for him completely on the Bok stage compared to the Stormers, where he has enjoyed relative success.

After more thought on the matter, a person can’t help but see that Rassie is starting him again also to boost his own image.

Rassie has got nothing to loose here. If Libbok performs on Saturday Rassie will be the Genius that picked him.

If he doesn’t perform it still makes him look like a hero for giving him the chance. Libbok will be blamed as people will say he didn’t use his chance and it’s his fault.

I don't see it the way you do, perhaps I'm missing something or perhaps you're reading too much into it, question is what would you have done, as for me I would start Manie.

I like Manie, but also know his a bit of a loose canon prone to choking. I would start Jordan and put some faith in him for a change.

My opinion, Rassie is calculated in his ways and tries to upkeep his processes, that includes his image.

Not saying I prefer him to Manie or Pollard (or the obvious Sacha) but Siya Masuku deserves the next shot.

My opinion, Rassie is calculated in his ways and tries to upkeep his processes, that includes his image.

Sat close to Rassie at a S12 game some years ago, he was the coach, had a look in his eyes that left an impression on me.

Ja, suddenly there's quite a few quality flyhalves around, can't remember his name right now but there's another with a big engine around, played in the Currie Cup semi or final, his surname starts with an M.... very impressive.

Plum I’m not sure I really want to have to school you again on useless Mostert but before I do a few corrections are in order with reference to either your lies or misguided grasp of reality

Firstly I am certainly not the only poster who does not rate powder puff, you will find I stand with the likes of Denny, Beeno, Mike and Becs. I think Draad and Rooineck think he is ok but nothing special - so try again

Not a single one of my rugby mates outside this board, rate Mostert

Secondly it’s the biggest insult ever to Eben saying useless powder puff is smarter

Thirdly you are speaking utter shit that Eben and Mostert are the most successful combo in the dominant engine room. Lood was the incumbent until he got injured. Rassie eventually saw the light and selected the more physical Lood over powder puff

As for all those metrics in my face - what a load of shit - I’m sure they will tell you he makes loads of tackles whoop whoop - unfortunately never a dominant one. Same applies to his carries, his feeble attempts at clean outs etc, etc, etc

It’s very easy to not rate the guy as he is simply shit. It’s one thing being physically inept as a lock but when you don’t have the skill set, agility, rugby brain, hands etc to offset that physical liability and contribute in a way that one could excuse the lack of grunt. If your lock does not add value physically then you would expect him to be a great athlete who runs great lines, contributes positively in open play, has great hands - just something that makes him contribute outside of grunt work but no, the best we get is 5 or so more process tackles than the next player and that’s it.

We know Rassie preferred Lood and rightly so as Lood added physicality. But the biggest question mark over Rassie was him not selecting RG to partner Eben given the gem that RG is.

If Eben is the best lock to ever play the game, RG has the potential to be as good but unfortunately injury has dictated his path. But when Lood was injured, RG was fit in the WC and for the Irish series so hell knows why he selected powder puff over him

Fuck me Lood is far better than powder puff and RG is far better than Lood so it made zero sense

As for your pack - yes it’s a pack with different roles but the general model should be grunt in the order of 3,1,4 then 5 - especially when it comes to a Bok pack given we pride ourselves on being physically dominant. That model of physicality extends to 7 and 2, with plenty of sides including their 8 in this category. 6 traditionally will be the least physical

So if you are going to compromise physicality it starts at 6, then 2, then 8, then 7 - it should never be a 5 unless they happen to be Matfield who to his credit bulked up to 117kg knowing the extra beef would add value

Mostert is shit, always has been. He is all heart and energy with zero productivity

As for Mostert at the Lions under Swys - well that was Ackerman not Swys and bullshit where they a dominant pack - just another correction for you

Okay, let's test your argument one point at a time...

Any of the posters are welcome to correct me if I'm wrong...

Denny - Actually rates Mostert and has in the past commented positively on Mostert's work rate and contributions.

Beeno - Has previously referred to Mostert as a "warrior".

Draad - likely rates Mostert at about 7/10. This is a total guess in my part.

Rooi - he won't agree, because reasons, but I think he actually appreciates Mostert. I actually can't remember him saying a single negative thing about Mostert.

Becs - actually not sure what she thinks but I don't recall many negative comments.

Mike - Mike absolutely hates Mostert because he is stricken tiny the same "look the part" mentality that Dave suffers from.

So, as I have it, only Mike thinks as lowly of Mostert as you do.

Am I wrong, anyone?

After we settle this we'll move onto your next contention, Dave.

Denny thinks Mostert is useless

Beeno has no time for lightweight locks

But more to the point - you said I was the ONLY one who did not rate him

So you were lying? yes or no?

Absolutely on my part - unlike you I hate no players and look at their actual performances - and not BS stories spun on site,   Mostert s totally absent at breakdiwn ball proection even backline playes push hom out when he is supposed to stan d firm to pretect ball - but never does.   

These allegations are made all the time by Dave and Clever. Yet when I watch the games I see Mostert as the first tight forward to the breakdown most often. What I haven’t seen, is Mostert being blown out by backline players….I see him protecting the ball, often by himself.

Come up with something credible, something that has some correspondence with reality. 

Then there is the Harrassmiss factor. There are credible reasons he picks certain players.. .Bongi, Kolisi, Manie. There are players whose image is intertwined with his ….Dud Toit.

Mostert is just a soldier. Picking him wins no brownie points politically. But in the WC, when the chips were down, Harrassmiss never picked Snyman the most talented 5 on the planet. He picked Mostert because he knew Mostert would help him win.

In Chasing the Sun at one point Rassie says that if he has to choose between a warrior or a better player in a position, he picks the warrior. The one that will keep going and never give up. May explain some selections, but not others.

Yes, Mike I already had you down as rating Mostert 0 out of 10. Which is also the score I give you for your understanding of rugby.

Hahaha

Denny - Actually rates Mostert and has in the past commented positively on Mostert's work rate and contributions.

I do? I don't believe I have but allow me to give you the benefit of the doubt until you provide a copy and paste of my said comments.

Until then I believe Mostert is a provincial grade second rower.

Plum how’s your tally looking so far

Bit embarrassing but hey ho

I can’t wait for the second instalment on hunting as a pack or how great Mostert is in general play

Moz I somehow doubt Mostert is the first to the breakdown and if he is it will be an ineffective visit

His protection of the ball or attempted clean outs are feeble. He is certainly not know for his breakdown work

Pakie it’s one thing choosing a warrior over a more talented player but then that warrior needs to at least be effective and by effective I mean physically given he is actually meant to be a test lock.

And if he is not going to bring physicality to the equation then he needs to offset that with being a talented and skilful rugby player who adds value in space -which of course he does not - not even close

But hey ho he runs around the field all game making process tackles, takes his line out balls and kick offs and with that defined by some as great

Great my arse - he can’t execute one of his primary functions and that’s to impose himself physically with ball in hand, in the tackle, making clean outs, grunt in the maul and scrums

Give me a real lock every day of the weak, he is not nearly special enough to offset his physical deficiencies - he is not Matfield

He is Rassie’s poorest long term selection by a country mile

Your examples of Physical locks is mostly injury prone and hardly even playing. Ja they great hey ho :) what’s with the Hey Ho? Are you in training to be Father Christmas?

It’s ho ho and I’d play Ruben v Heerden, Ruan Vermaak, JD Schickerling, JF v Heerden, Ludwig and Cobus Wiese ahead of Mostert all day long and they are not injured

A good list of locks….I would play them to, but keep Mostert around to finish his career properly, not via a broken leg.

My question Dave, why oh why does Rassie refuse to even look at these locks? Ruben was at the Alignment Camps, but nothing came from it?

Surely they have to be considered especially with the incumbents closing out there careers?? Baffles me totally

We can also ask how did Moerat become a Bok? as well as a Bok captain????

Rassie can't be serious.

Mostert played in 72 tests and in that period scored 3 tries - he has serious deficiencies and at the age of 33 - why must he be kept around to fnish his career.   Erasmus wanted Le Roux to reach his 100th test appearance - but hd played in 96 tests - so how and why must Mo stert be kept around to finish his career - while his performances are not really up to standard,   The first test opportunities in 2025  will be in June 2025 when Mostet will be 34 years old,   

He s not irrepacabe and younger and better locks should rather be brought in November 2024 and not in 2025.   .       

Most plaed in 72 tests and n that period scored 3 tries

What on earth does try scoring have to do with anything when you're talking about a lock? I guess Eben is a shit lock then too cause he had only 3 tries after 95 tests.

Ja I agree that's a bit on the nose

Uncle Clever your argument makes no sense!? Frans, DDA, Koch, Willie Are all in the same age bracket….why can they stay and Mostert must not carry on??

Mostert and Rassie has silenced you guys so many times already that it is embarrassing!

You fine with Willie getting his 100th cap and even commending Rassie on facilitating that?! ( Mostert is a much more consistent performer than Willie and some others that I can think of)

If it wasn’t for Mostert tirelessly working on like a warrior, covering for those injury prone locks, we would not be double WC champions! Fact…

Hypocrites come right man…

so in comparison how many did Da Allende score?

47 Tests 6 tries

Mike may love the game, even be passionate about it, but he is unfortunately 1) utterly clueless about it and 2) fatally biased and 3) dishonest to the point of being a serial liar and fabricator.

Imagine trying to make a point about a lock by quoting try scoring.

Here's a video of Mostert's typical contribution. Ignore the basic stuff like catching kickoffs and taking lineouts that gets highlighted. Watch how he competes at every breakdown - the opposition gets no quick and easy ball when he's involved. Open field tackle on a wing at 1:46. Turning Kitshoff's tackle into a dominant one by driving back the carrier at 2:25 and he's immediately up on his feet again and pushing through the breakdown to disrupt opposition ball. Pushing through the ruck at 3:00 to give the Boks turnover possession. Winning a turnover penalty at 3:33.

This is now apparently the guy that contributes nothing other than regulation tackling. Fuck off.

Mpower it’s a complete mystery to me when it comes to Rassie and locks he literally has a blind spot when it comes to that position

How on earth a 30 year old average Nico Janse v Rensburg from abroad can be called up ahead of Ruben v Heerden or Ruan Vermaak is beyond all comprehension

Both have been outstanding for their respective provinces and both should be in the Bok squad ahead of Mostert, Orie, Nortje, Moerat and Nico

It’s a no brainer

"This is now apparently the guy that contributes nothing other than regulation tackling. Fuck off"

Have to agree Pakie

Well Pakie he certainly does not contribute physically and that’s a fact unless you are fucking delusional

He is a sad excuse for a Bok lock - zero grunt

Suit yourself Dave. 

Seeing a guy driving through a ruck creating turnover possession and then saying something like "he certainly does not contribute physically" is the dictionary definition of delusion.

Come on Dave how do you explain that video footage away? There is enough dominant clean outs, Tackles to warrant his physicality….be honest who doesn’t see it in that video?

"Come on Dave how do you explain that video footage away?"

Quite simply, you can't, which is why even Mostert's attacking ruck effeciently is actually better and higher than our fantastic Eben, and that speaks volumes, given just how incredible Eben is .

Give me a break there is not one single bit of evidence of him showing physical dominance in that footage - the only time there is any backward press is with the help of a second or third defender

Him flying into a ruck to join his teammates is hardly physical dominance

Dream on all I see is process tackles and kick off takes

It’s virtually impossible for a skinny narrow shouldered 2m tall player weighing 112kg to ever be physically dominant - the science is against him

There is zero bulk on the guy and his work in contact suffers as a result

Plenty of heart and energy as always with minimum physical impact

Ah well, each to their Own.

"Him flying into a ruck to join his teammates is hardly physical dominance"

"It’s virtually impossible for a skinny narrow shouldered 2m tall player weighing 112kg to ever be physically dominant - the science is against him"

Then why is he more effecient than Eben when attacking the ruck? 

"There is zero bulk on the guy and his work in contact suffers as a result"

"Plenty of heart and energy as always with minimum physical impact"

Well, either Mostert's technique is better than Eben, when attacking the ruck .... or he is physically more impactful than Eben ..... you choose.

Useful video. When do we ever see DudToit making an open field tackle on a wing in space like the tackle Mostert made on the Lions wing. We don’t …he can hit stationary targets, a wing in full flight….never. 

Mostert is the better all round tackler as constantly demonstrated by tackling completion numbers. Test after test.. And tackling is Dud’s long suite.

DA we know you know fuck all about rugby and you have just confirmed that telling us powder puff is more effective than Eben in attacking the ruck whatever that is

I challenge anyone to show me evidence of Mostert being dominant in the carry or defensively or hitting a ruck in the footage above

Point out the moment

So let's see...

The list of people that don't rate Mostert are...

Dave Denise Mike

So far it's about 3 out of the roughly 20 regulars here.

Minute 0.24 Mostert is hit by Itoje and another Lions forward a meter outside the 22….he breaks through their joint tackles and ends 2 metres inside the 22. Physically dominant…case closed.

I challenge anyone to show me evidence of Mostert being dominant in the carry or defensively or hitting a ruck in the footage above

You didn't see him hit one ruck in that footage? Not even when he pushed the Lions off their own ruck to win a turnover for the Boks? Dave, you are being intellectually dishonest and just like Mike expecting people to keep producing evidence over and over while you just keep denying seeing anything. Pathetic. If only your integrity matched your mouth.

Who are dishonest is the supporters who wants the 34 year old in the team next year,   He si not irereplacable  and that is a fact,   I love the way Mozart found one case that Mostert got the ball for 1 meter and for a change went forwards in the tackle,   After 72 tests is one case enough to set any norm?   

Stupid argument anyway - most of the posters who want younger players suppor Mostert as if their lives depend on it.    He is not rreplaceble so this story is way off the mark and reality,    .            

Moz stop speaking shit - Itoje does not front up to him, he over runs the tackle attempt - there is fuck all physical dominance there not even close.

The other Lion brings him down with ease

Your take as per usual is a load of shit

Pakie I see him hitting rucks joining his team mates all with forward momentum

Hitting a ruck as part of a unit does not define an individuals physical dominance unless a player does something uniquely out of the ordinary - like we sometimes see from some brutes like Eben, Paul Willemse, Skelton and Joe McCarthy on occasions

Dave asks for one example. It's provided...

Mike isn't happy.

Mostert is a man's man. Not a type train, look-the-part, check my flex, guppie.

Moster & Eben > Matfield & Bakkies.

Now cry.

The example was a joke

I’m waiting for a real example

Mostert is shit

Plum…..I don’t really think about Mostert, so I guess that tells you all you need to know.

Dear editor, can we please have a 'don't likes' knoppie. Dankie.

Ha ha ha ! 

Do you think any of the Bok forwards, Becs?

Oh yes, Plum. I dream about them  

Itoje hits him from the side the other player hits him head on….he makes 3 meters. But I get it, when Dud Toit makes 3 meters through a single tackle,  it’s a great example of physicality….when Mostert gets tackled by 2 players, it’s not, because one didn’t hit him head on. How often do two players hit a runner head on simultaneously I wonder.

Mostert is an awesome contributor.

Honeyball, a devastating tackler had narrow shoulders.

Bullshit Itoje over runs his attempted tackle

One certainty is that Itoje is far more physical than powder puff and had he lined him up properly he would have smashed him

There is no fucking way Mostert would ever get the better of Itoje in a one on one physical battle

That miss by Itoje left the second Lions defender less committed hence riding the tackle bring powder puff down

As for PSDT if you ever wanted evidence of physicality look no further than his hits in the WC final

We have NEVER in all of powder puffs caps seen him make dominant tackles like PSDT did - therein lies the difference

A physical player vs a complete pretender

Oh I see Itoje wasn’t in position to make the tackle, but in the instant he fell off Mostert, the other Lions player became uncommitted which is why Mostert powered through his tackle. 

Okay, so Becs has no thoughts on nay Bok forwards.

So the tally...Mike, Dave and Denise. Haha whatta team!!!

Versus...

Pakie, King, Mp, Moz, Blo, Draad, Rooi, Beeno, DA, Chippo, Xavi, AJ, me...and I'm likely forgetting a few more.

Now, which side is more likely to be correct.

Okay, now let's tackle the next 3 points Dave makes...

1) Not a single one of my rugby mates outside this board, rate Mostert

Every single one of my mates rates Mostert is a superhero.

Clearly this argument is meaningless.

2) Secondly it’s the biggest insult ever to Eben saying useless powder puff is smarter

Eben contributes big power in moments and steals some lineouts. A great player but rarely makes a lifesaving tackle on a man in space or gets around nearly as much as Mostert does. Mostert often finds himself in the right place at the right time, is the first man back at pressure rucks and makes the early tackles that Marx and company pilfer ball from. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that Mostert reads the game better than Eben does.

3) Thirdly you are speaking utter shit that Eben and Mostert are the most successful combo in the dominant engine room. Lood was the incumbent until he got injured. Rassie eventually saw the light and selected the more physical Lood over powder puff

How many TROPHIES do the Eben and Lood combo have? How many do the Eben and Mostert combo have? How the F does injury play into this? Success is measured by trophies, not could woulda shoulda.

Lets see how these debunks of Dave's fallacies are responded to, then we'll move on to the rest of his flawed points.

"DA we know you know fuck all about rugby and you have just confirmed that telling us powder puff is more effective than Eben in attacking the ruck whatever that is"

Typical Dave, being the absolute doos that he always is..... what a complete and utter idiot to think that he knows absolutely everything about every single player

Here it is you twat ...

All you did here is just confirm your absolute ignorance regarding Mostert, such is your hatred of the guy .....you know a lot about Rugby Dave.... whilst at the same time, also knowing sweet fuck all as well .

Mostert vs Eben stats

"If only your integrity matched your mouth"

Never going to happen

LOL DA...

"This sentiment is evidenced when analysing other important markers. Etzebeth’s dominant carry success is at 29.1%, just 2.5% behind Retallick in top spot. His dominant tackle rate is 9.6%, 0.3% behind Barrett. With 88% he’s second behind Mostert (90%) when it comes to attacking ruck efficiency...

I guess we put this down as a mega-ooooooooooopsie for Dave.

Imagine a useless powder-puff having better ruck stats than Eben.

Well Moz there is one certainty and that is Mostert never powered through Itoje so stop speaking shit

And if you had ever played the game in your life you would know that if a guy in front of you looks like he is going to tackle a player you yourself would be focusing your attention elsewhere.

So Itoje over runs and misaligns the hit, the second defender has to make the tackle the so rides Mostert’s advance and brings him down easily - there is absolutely no powering through anywhere and that’s a fact

"LOL DA...

I guess we put this down as a mega-ooooooooooopsie for Dave.

Imagine a useless powder-puff having better ruck stats than Eben"

It just clearly shows you how utterly pathetic the doos Dave really is .... especially regarding certain players.

For someone who admittedly knows less about the game than Dave does, it really didn't take much for me at all, to show him up to be the fucking clueless idiot he just showed himself to be..... on this specific point.

What a fucking twat

Well, there are those on the board that will actually confront evidence, those that never will...and those like Dave, who pretend to confront it but basically just shout "Nah Nah Nahnah Nah."

Actually Itoje has his arms wrapped around Mostert and the other Lions player hits him head on….the only reason Itoje can’t hang on is Mostert powers through the other tackler, so Itoje spins  off the back. Mostert is slowed down though and the other player eventually brings him down three metres ahead.

He powered through two tacklers…fact.

Ah Moz so Itoje does not get to him first? And the second player does not get him down easily? I see

Now I’ve read some shit in my time but wow

Please point out where the power is in this passage of play? I’m genuinely struggling here? Itoje makes a poor attempt to tackle Mostert over running it, off balance awkward - fuck all power form Mostert has anything to do with Itoje

The second player rides Mostert and brings him down with ease - where is the power there?

Laerskool snot dié.

Listen here DA you rugby ignorant fuckwit don’t insult rugby followers telling us Mostert is more effective attacking rucks (whatever that is) than Eben

Fuck off - telling me there is evidence of this is vastly different to actual material evidence especially coming from an ignorant rugby prick like you

Plum do me a favour and save all your chest beating crap about providing me with evidence of anything - I’m still waiting for evidence of Mostert’s physical dominance in that clip - Moz’s attempt was insulting much like you telling everyone that only I never rated powder puff - stop fabricating shit it’s embarrassing

"Listen here DA you rugby ignorant fuckwit don’t insult rugby followers telling us Mostert is more effective attacking rucks (whatever that is) than Eben"

Lol, I m no Mostert basher, but Ebenb is baas and Mossie has fckall on him ...not even close.

Say no more Draad - some ignorant prick insulting Eben - fuck me Eben with one leg in plaster and his hands tied behind his back would be more effective hitting a ruck (or should I say attacking it(sic)) than powder puff

"Lol, I m no Mostert basher, but Ebenb is baas and Mossie has fckall on him ...not even close."

Did DA say Mostert is over all "better" than Eben? No...I don't think he did. I don't think anybody here has ever said that.

But, there are elements of the game in which Mostert does more and is better.

Who makes more tackles?

Is more tackles better than less tackles?

One last time...it's called a "pack" for a reason.

Whahaha Dave doesn't know what Ruck efficiency is. Without even looking it up, surely the word efficiency is rather self explanatory?

Are you telling me fucking DA knows what ruck efficiency is?

But let’s leave that - yes Mostert makes more tackles than Eben whoop, whoop - the real measure of a test lock is making process tackles is it? Wow

Just a pity old powder puff has never made a dominant tackle in his career unless of course he tackled Faf in a training run?

"Lol, I m no Mostert basher, but Eben is baas and Mossie has fckall on him ...not even close."

Where did I even remotely say that Mostert was a better player than Eben?

In fact, the very article that I quoted in my post was referring to Eben possibly being the best ever lock of his generation....so where do you suck that from?

Don't escalate one very simple compliment to Mostert, to me now attributing him to being a better player than Eben, because I didn't even come close to saying that..... however in one specific metric, regarding the game of Rugby, Mostert seems to be more effecient at it than Eben is..... it's just that fucking simple..... but ole Davey boy just can't accept that he got it wrong and that he didn't know this......his ego just won't allow him.

"Are you telling me fucking DA knows what ruck efficiency is?"

Damn straight I do...... I have already openly admitted a few times that your knowledge of the game is better than mine, by far......why would I ever dispute that...... but you just can't ever admit when you get things wrong....much like you just recently stated that the Boks were never going to give the Argies a hiding this past weekend.....you got that wrong as well.... so live with it.

Grow up you idiot...... 

I don't need to know all the rugby laws intimately to be able to make a post or opinion about a player or the game.

It's quite similar to me not having to know you personally, to know that you are a twat.

DA, it is very hard to have nuanced discussions on this board because, with the exception of 3 or 4 posters, most guys can only argue in knee jerk extremes. State a simple fact like "Mostert competes well at the breakdowns" and the response you get is something to the effect of "so you're arguing Mostert's age is not a problem but that of other players are, so you're saying he is more physical than Etzebeth, he missed a tackle in 2019 so he sucks, there are 20 locks better than him, he would never have played if Lood was fit, bla bla bla".

Rather unfortunate

Yeah, I get you Pakie ......

My one small single compliment, on just one very specific aspect of Mostert's game, has now been spun around, turned upside down, and thrown sidewa ys.... and then spat back out in a very misconstrued way, to "DA says that Franco Mostert is a far better player than Eben Etzebeth"

What a crock of shyte.

"Listen here DA you rugby ignorant fuckwit don’t insult rugby followers telling us Mostert is more effective attacking rucks (whatever that is) than Eben"

Well ..... duh you moron....apparently he is

The only thing I insulted here was my own take on your actual legitimate level of intelligence.

Live with it you monumentally stupid fucktard

And for the record Davey boy... I said Mostert was more efficient than Eben, not more effective like you say

Effective means producing a desired result that is wanted

Efficient is the capability of producing the desired result without wasting materials, time, energy...which is apparently what Mostert does better than Eben..... whilst Eben could very well possibly be more effective...

So......learn to read properly whilst you are out and about trying to find a personality you little stupid twat

"Effective means producing a desired result that is wanted

Efficient is the capability of producing the desired result without wasting materials, time, energy...which is apparently what Mostert does better than Eben..... whilst Eben could very well possibly be more effective..."

How do you measure effective and efficient in this context?

Draad it confirms good old ignorant DA has no fucking clue what he is talking about

It’s great when a dumb ignorant twat comes on here professing rugby wisdom only to be left looking like the idiot he is

DA do us a favour and stick to some other sport - you are an embarrassment

Here is a fact for you to suck up - there is not one single facet of play where Mostert is better than Eben - it’s not even close

He might make more tackles a game - but that is not the mark of a lock - maybe a flanker or centre but not a bloody lock

But even that fact is beyond you

Allow me to try;

Eben Effective: Better at producing the desired outcome through the application of raw strength to overwhelm the opposition and secure the ball.

The prime focus here would be on getting the job done. Contributes less often at rucks but makes a big impact when he does.

Mostert Efficient: Better at contributing more often and ensures that the baseline requirement is covered, filling the gaps. Contributes more often and wastes less energy on big plays.

The prime focus would be on timing contributions through reading the game and ensuring that he is there when nobody else is.

To me, the ideal lock paring would balance each other out. Eben is as effective a lock as you'll find anywhere. And Mostert is as efficient a lock as you'll ever see.

2 x Eben means more big plays but also increases the load on the rest of the pack since they need to make more tackles and visit rucks more often.

2 x Mostert's means less big momentum shifting plays resulting in less rallying moments that swing periods of the game in his side's advantage.

Dave claims it's not a locks job to make bunch of tackles but let's try and put in chronological order who is expected to make the most tackles in the pack

1. Open side 2. Blind side 3. Eight 4. Locks(4 and 5) 5. Hooker 6. Loose head 7. Tight head

Now let's look at the tackles counts of the Duane and Kolisi...over the last 5 years.

Duane was never really high on the tackle count. Look it up. He had some high counts in the WC but was generally on or below average in terms of his tackle count.

Kolisi may have a day here and there where he makes a bunch of tackles, but his tackle count is generally not very high either.

Now before we hear that I'm saying Kolisi and Duane suck...that's not what I said. I'm looking only at their tackle counts. And you should too...don't take my word for it. Go and look at the numbers.

And when you do that, you will see that MOSTERT, has been picking up the slack for years.

An Eight is expected to make roughly 10-12 tackles per game.

But over the last well ages...the Boks have been a defensive team...look at the WC stats for reference. Meaning that even if Duane hits 12 per game, he is still below average in terms of an 8 in the Boks side.

Kolisi...same story.

Now, go and do some homework and have a look at Eben's tackle count.

Now have a look at the average tackle count for the Boks over the last 5 years. You notice it is higher than most teams. They are a defensive team.

This means that each player has to make more tackles, on average, than a player in the same position in another team.

Don't take my word for ANY of this. Go and look it up.

So you realise that while being a defensive side, 4 out of the top five players required to make the most tackles in the pack are actually below proportional par in terms of the amount of tackles they make.

And then we have Dave saying that a lock's job is not to make tackles.

...when actually, in the Bok side, with the way the Boks have historically chosen to play, a lock with a high tackle count is GOLD.

And Mostert brought that gold in abundance. The perfect foil. In fact, such a perfect foil that Rassie has looked for an outright replacement for Mostert in Nortje.

I'm not expecting Dave to provide any sort of rational argument to this.

Dave allow me to respond for you;

Enjoying the lectures, Dave?

Excellent analysis Plum…let’s have more of that….insights. Actually I’m willing to bet for most teams the ‘mobile’ lock is higher than at least two of the  loosies in the tackle count. 

Plum I’ll keep it short - which other 5 in world rugby makes as many process tackles as Mostert does?

The answer is none

The reason being is that locks are traditionally expected to contribute physically, the 4 more than the 5

It’s one of their primary functions - along with taking line outs and kick offs, it’s definitely not to make process tackles - that function is a secondary one.

So in Mostert we have him running around all game making loads of process tackles but failing to contribute physically. There is very little effectiveness or efficiency at a breakdown, ruck or maul or in the scrum if you are unable to really impose yourself physically

So my argument against Mostert is this- Id much rather have a physically imposing player at 5 like RG, Lood, Ruben v Heerden, Cobus Wiese, JD Schickerling or JF v Heerden doing all their primary functions effectively and contributing effectively with their secondary functions like making process tackles than having a Mostert on board who’s contributions have the primary and secondary functions reversed

My biggest issue with Mostert is that given he lacks physicality I’d expect him to offset that with a skill set that sees him contributing positively with ball in hand, being a great link player, being a smart player running great lines etc - he is none of that

So he is physically challenged and not a great rugby player. His forte is making 15 tackles a game, never dominant ones. I’ll say it one more time - it’s not the job of a 5 to make 15 tackles as game

Yes Rassie keeps selecting him when Lood is injured and for me it’s a huge mistake for the reasons stated above

Rassie is obviously ok with all that heart and energy he gives because there is enough physicality around him to get away with it. My argument against that is that he is selling the Bok pack short with this approach and that with a physical 5 we would be even more physically dominant as a unit

At the WC…..Dud Toit, Mostert and Rowlands were among the top 10 tacklers….Itoje was 11th.

du Toit was not playing lock and all three perform their primary functions well - they all contribute physically

My problem with Mostert is that is his only real positive contribution along with taking his line out ball and kick offs (prerequisites for all locks)

I’d rather have a physical 5 that contributes physically and makes 5 less process tackles a game than Mostert - that is a no brainer and non negotiable for me. Mostert is not a good enough all round player to excuse his lack of grunt. He works hard I give him that but it’s never eye catching stuff. There is working hard and working productively - a locks productivity is measured primarily in grunt just like a props - everything else is secondary bar line out and kick off takes

For me there is absolutely no argument in favour of a physically inferior lock playing for the Boks

"It’s great when a dumb ignorant twat comes on here professing rugby wisdom only to be left looking like the idiot he is"

LMAO

You got shown up for the idiotic doos that you are .... lol, even after I provided the stats for you.

You could have just said, Oh, I didn't realise that .... but nah, Davey boy has to always consistently be correct and everyone else on here is stupid if they don't agree with Davey boy....all the time..... which is the sign of a very stupid and arrogant individual.

"DA do us a favour and stick to some other sport - you are an embarrassment"

For a guy who knows far far less about the game than you do, you sure made yourself look like a complete and utter twat, and a doos to boot....

Lol, it was funny handing it to you on a platter, because as usual, your enormous ego got in the way of some common sense and you just stumbled straight into it.

Brilliant post Plum.....

Where did you show me up you fucking idiot?

Self proclamation by a rugby ignoramus carries weight in your eyes does it

Fuck me little man get a bloody grip

There is no stat in the world that would ever have powder puff being more efficient or effective than Mostert at a ruck but you are too fucking stupid to comprehend that fact

Shown me up bwaaahaaaa

Relax Davey Boy.... go sell another ice cream

"Self proclamation by a rugby ignoramus carries weight in your eyes does it"

Well, if the shoe fits....

I actually prefer the in depth game analysis from others on this board who actually are quite level headed and can also see both sides of any equation or debate about any player..... and not just their own one eyed arrogant view or perspective of certain players like you always have and always will do.

"There is no stat in the world that would ever have powder puff being more efficient or effective than Mostert at a ruck but you are too fucking stupid to comprehend that fact"

Oh, we all know that already..... it doesn't matter who the stats come from, or where they come from .........Davey boy is always right.

You silly little tit you ...

Where did you show me up, where are those stats you dumbfuck?

Your self proclamation means fuck all to me

Here’s what Harrassmiss gets that you don’t. We already have plenty of grunt and with Dud Toit on the flank we add to that. What we could lack is ball carrying, ball protection, and defensive mobility.

Mostert fills in two of those three gaps. Ball carrying is still a weakness.

Harrassmiss is solving for a blend of attributes. If we are struggling in the scrums or mauls your argument may have some validity. Clearly we aren’t.

I find it hard to follow a threat where  BS reign supreme.   Lets get it straight what Mostert is  - he is just not physical enough as  lock and already 33 years of age and defintely NOT irreplacable, 

Fact is the same members promoting Mostert are always on the attack against Du Toit - who performs while playing at lock better than Mostert - but in fact is ten times a better player - either at lock or at 7 than Mostert was and can ever be.   

The BS ters oane about Du Toit's age - but wants Mostert to continue playing for the Springboks, The problem is that some members just refuse t look at he contributors in th game - like Du Toit and De Allende made to performnces.   Take for instances the situation as to tries scored iro of Mostert and Du Toit:-

Mostert - tests played  72   tries scored  3

Du Toit - tests played   84   tries scored  11

Du Toit snce 2018 often played at lock as well, while Meyer prefers im as a 7.   Du Toit is according t Mozart worthless and referred to as "Dud" - while Mostert gets praise song after praise song based normally on BS.

I agree with Dave - we need a better  lock than Mostert in the team - but most emmbers spout shit about played and prtend they are correct,   Take the freference as to the try-scoring record of  Du Toit - where he quote him as having scored 3 ties - whie Du Toit scored 6 - while Du Toit in act scored  11/

Fact is Du Toit is one of the best players in the world - while Mostert is not anywhere near that level.

As a matter of fact I think that Mostert had his career and it is now time to replace him - end of story. 

                                    ..      

As I said I’d prefer to have more grunt at 5 as you need grunt at 7 anyway and have our physical 5 make 5 less process tackles than Mostert does a game

Mostert is not a good enough player to merit keeping him there to add value in other areas of the game given his lack of physicality

If Rassie had a 100% winning record I’d have to concede he was correct in selecting Mostert over a more physical lock

I’m guessing Rassie does know that anyway as you correctly pointed out that Rassie at the start of his tenure selected Mostert at 5, but then ditched him for the more physical Lood up to the point Lood got injured

The biggest mystery to me is that when Lood got injured he resorted back to Mostert instead of selecting RG who is even better than Lood. Lood is great but RG is next level

That call by Rassie made absolutely no sense at all. RG should have partnered Eben in the WC and the Irish series

We might have achieved more pack dominance against Ireland than we did had RG started ahead of powder puff but that opportunity was missed by Rassie

So even Rassie is not as clever as little Dave..... who woulda thought.

Rassie is certainly not perfect, selecting Mostert is a clear example of that

Not when you have RG, Ruben v Heerden, Ruan Vermaak, JD Schickerling and Cobus Wiese available

Rassie definitely has a blind spot when it comes to locks look no further than Mostert, Orie, Nortje and Nico Janse v Rensburg

Well Rassies blind spot is not as bad as yours. And Jd 116 Kg. Vermaak 118 Kg and Wiese 116 Kg is Not your usual types?

You prefer them over 125 Kg…bigger is definitely not always better. Just look at our bigger locks like RG, Lood , they are mostly injured.

It’s funny how the bigger lock are mostly injury prone….Paul Willemse the now French man is mostly injured or Will Skelton.

That is why all top outfits also have a lighter more durable lock, that of course performs. Mostert and Nortje fits into that Bracket.

Try fucking wake up to reality

JF v Heerden is 121kg, Ruan Vermaak is 125kg, Ruben v Heerden is 121kg, Cobus Wiese is 121kg, JD is 121kg

You just need to look at these players to realise they are bigger than powder puff

Do me a favour in future don’t quote players weights etc as you always fuck them up

Proof these weights you are lying!! On the bulls website, go check Wiese is 116Kg and Vermaak is 118Kg Lions website.Stormers website Jd Schickerling 116Kg!!

Fuck you i will quote what I want you pompous ass Narcissistic fool….but honestly a person can still somehow except that you a empty coward loud mouth fool, but lying is just chicken shit!!

Listen here you stupid ignorant prick

Here is a hint

Try this - for instance

Type in ‘ Ruben van Heerden 121kg’ and see what happens - try that with all my quotes and see what happens

Fuck me one only has to look at these players to realise they weight 120kg plus

What fucking world do you live in - are you really this fucking stupid

Just look at a player like Grobelaar for the Sharks - in the match against Connacht they said he weighed 124kg

Do you honestly think he weighs more than the likes of Wiese, Vermaak etc

Wake the fuck up you stupid idiot

Your stupidity bores me

Sorry I got Cobus Wiese wrong he is 125kg makes sense he is a unit - square of a man

Just shut up you liar…we don’t live in a fantasy world where you can make up your own weights?? WTF is wrong with you?! Why the fuck will the franchise’s lie about these players weight? Makes no sense…

So besides being this over bearing know it all , you can weigh people exactly, by just looking at them?

Fuck me Dave you are desperate to always be right, but sadly you mostly just not :) you are a fucking liar just like your bud buddies. Whatever you low life liar, you not worth it!

Ah so you are clearly too fucking scared to Google my weights now are you?

You pathetic little prick

I know for a fact the provincial websites have the wrong weights

Many years ago I used to always look up and pay attention to players profiles - I still do to a degree. Friends used to always laugh at me because I could quote every provincial players weight and age

Anyway I remember contacting the Sharks on their website once telling them that some of their profile details were completely wrong - they responded to me apologising and corrected the profiles

I found it astounding that people associated with the provinces website did not take the trouble to find out the correct player details

Anyway dumbfuck like I said use your fucking eyes in future

Does Cobus Wiese look like he weighs 116kg’s you moron. Are you really this thick?

Does he look like he weighs less than Andre Esterhuizen huh? Does he look smaller than his brother who is 120kg huh

Fucking idiot

Here is a little hint for the future don’t question me when it comes to players weights as I’ll chew you up and spit you out

Updated:

Jasper Wiese

Moz trust you to fuck it up we are not talking Jasper

But here you go

https://all.rugby/player/jasper-wiese

So what…I’m talking Jasper. You really need to be more flexible Dave.

Cobus Wiese 2nd Jun 1997 1.99m/116kg Blindside Flanker .

Cobus Wiese is a South African born flanker who represented Griquas at youth level. He has since gone through the ranks at Western Province and was called into the South African U20 squad.

Wiese provides an extra option at the line-out as he stands just short of 2 metres tall and weight 116 kg. Wiese's older brother Jasper represents the Cheetahs.

In 2017 he was selected as part of the Stormers Super Rugby squad and made his debut off the bench against the Sunwolves and started the Stormers next match against the Cheetahs.

Wiese made 4 Super Rugby matches in 2017 and was included in the Stormers 2018 Super Rugby squad.

In July 2018, he was included in Springboks squad for the Rugby Championship. Following the disrupted Super Rugby season in 2020 he signed for Sale Sharks in the Premiership // ultimaterugby.com

Moz that made me laugh very loudly

But Jasper is 120kg Moz - get your facts right :)

Wrong again Dave, jou fokken Doos!! what a sad sack you are lying to prove your point …

Here we go dumbfuck Mpower - power stupidity maybe?

Read and weep

https://all.rugby/player/cobus-wiese

Stupid what am I lying about you dunce?

Fuck off, that proves nothing. Both Stormers and ultimate Rugby has him at 116kg …. :) sad little keyboard coward :)

You are such easy pickings like I said - next time just shut your ignorant gob unless you want me to chew and spit you out again

Fuck me imagine looking at Cobus Wiese and believing he weighs less than his brother or Andre Esterhuizen

Stupid prick

"Why? Because he or she or they ( a concession to Stav) is often assigned the close to the breakdown tackle role. "

This kills me. Don't cut them so deep.

Tis but low-born sluttery.

"So besides being this over bearing know it all , you can weigh people exactly, by just looking at them?"

"Fuck me Dave you are desperate to always be right, but sadly you mostly just not"

M... little Dave has many gifts .....

He is adept at selling ice lollies, even in the English Winter.... and any way you look at that, it is impressive.

He can also just look at any person and tell you their height and weight...... and sometimes even what they ate for supper two days ago......stru...

He is also incredibly good at being stupid, and this is one area where he seems to also be improving in, on a daily basis... so he is at least trying.

"Fuck you i will quote what I want you pompous ass Narcissistic fool"

You may have to pick a number and wait in line here M..... because due to Dave's sparkling personality, there tends to be quite a number of people that end up saying "Fuck You", at some point in their conversation with him

Remember, the cutoff for being a PHYSICAL lock is 120kg. If you weigh 119, fuck you you're too small.

DDA = 101kg Andre the Giant = 113kg

Summary --- Andre is 12kgs better than DDA.

Case closed.

End of.

“ M... little Dave has many gifts ..... “ ha ha Ja sure , only in his head. What a absolute Tosser…

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So much green...see how Franco makes up slack and tops up their tackle counts with his excess. These are WC stats btw.

Dave looks the below and goes "Nah! Powderpuff."

Everybody else on Earth goes "Um...yes please!"

Now lets look at tackle success rate...

Spot on Plum .....

But.... everyone else who disagrees is ignorant, lol

What a little tit he is

Plum for a man you likes to create the impression that the lift travels to the top floor you come pretty stupid at times

I’ll keep this simple - is it the job of a test lock to make loads of tackles?

Are those numbers meant to impress me?

I know powder puff makes loads of process tackles - so fucking what?

That is not the measure of a test lock - not even close

Have you ever seen powder puff effect a big dominant hit on a player - No, because he has zero grunt

Dave ... for a guy that was dumped out of a career in law to sell ice lollies, I wouldn't really fling the whole "going to the top floor scenario"

When it got too hot in the kitchen for you regarding law.... you went to sell ice, so just stop being so angry with the world dude.... that was your choice, we had nothing to do with it.

You see.....over the years, certain things have become very apparent on this forum... like Denise trying to convince us all that he actually has some balls .... even a small set of them......but we all know the truth.... because it's ingrained to his character .... he is coward, always has been.

Some things in life are just a given

DA are you trying to tell me something, is it rugby related?

You seem to be getting all hot under the collar

You are the powder puff of this board - all smoke with fuck all substance

You are a waste of fucking space

My ice lollies bring in more a day than you earn in a month you fucking worthless loser

Plum for the record Esterhuizen weighs 119kg and DA 109kg

"DA are you trying to tell me something, is it rugby related?"

Just stating some facts Dave .... pardon me

"You seem to be getting all hot under the collar"

Not really Dave... it's just .. . well..... it's just that your downright stupidity makes me laugh very often..... and it all sorta makes sense about why you are no longer a lawyer..... because I have yet to meet anyone in the legal professi on that has your very low level of intelligence

I mean, you can sort of hold a basic conversation here, but you in the courtroom ... bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha..... no I can't...... I just can't..... eish.

It's a bit like Denise's cowardice throughout his miserable life..... it sticks to you.... and it just follows you around, even if you try and escape to another country.... it's always there.....it's a pity really.

"My ice lollies bring in more a day than you earn in a month you fucking worthless loser"

Of course it does little guy..... I can only imagine how many lawyers are escaping their high paying legal profession to go and sell lollies.... lol

Pull the other one dude

Fuck me and you call me stupid?

So in your narrow minded little world I should have carried on after 50 fighting other peoples battles and not embarked on the best decision of my life and started an ice cream business, where the time, proceeds, enjoyment and fulfilment are all mine?

Damn thanks for pointing out my poor decision, how stupid of me

So I failed at law and was pushed out and ended up on the corner street selling ice lollies - poor little Dave

Listen here fuckwit give me some rugby post to digest because your attempt at painting a picture of me is failing miserably

I’m not sure what is worse - your stab at my life or your take on rugby

Go buy yourself an ice lollie if you can afford it and chill out you waste of space

"Fuck me and you call me stupid?"

Very observant....yep .... a few times now bud

"Damn thanks for pointing out my poor decision, how stupid of me"

Pleasure bro

"Listen here fuckwit give me some rugby post to digest because your attempt at painting a picture of me is failing miserably"

This is where your limited intelligence comes in again Dave.... I have n ever painted any picture of you on here dude..... that is all ..... entirely you.

"I’m not sure what is worse - your stab at my life or your take on rugby"

I'll help you out here Dave

It's definitely my take on rugby.... because my specific points on you as an individual are pretty much absolutely spot on

"Go buy yourself an ice lollie if you can afford it and chill out you waste of space"

You really sound like a legit lawyer here Dave..... you really do..... I promise

I’m not a lawyer you stupid prick

I still have no answer iro a previous  question I posted.   Is at his age of 34 next year is Mostert irreplaceable as a  player iro of the 2027 WC - when he would be 37 years of age?

A simple asnwer would be yes he is or no he is not - please.    

"I’m not a lawyer you stupid prick"

Oh, we know Dave ..... I promise you .... we know

I still have no answer iro a previous  question I posted.   Is at his age of 34 next year is Mostert irreplaceable as a  player iro of the 2027 WC - when he would be 37 years of age?

No.

Then again, no one here has put up an argument for Mostert being irreplaceable or being young enough to make the next World Cup, so it's kind of a pointless question.

I still have no answer iro a previous  question I posted.   Is at his age of 34 next year is Mostert irreplaceable as a  player iro of the 2027 WC - when he would be 37 years of age?

Fuck me and you call me stupid?

He calls a lot of people stupid, don't let that surprise you as a matter of fact the word stupid pops up in his posts with regular monotony.

"Listen here fuckwit give me some rugby post to digest.....

I wouldn't hold my breathe on that one, good luck on finding one same goes for a post on cricket.

Hell knows we've been through a British Lions series, a RWC a Currie Cup final and lately the Rugby Championship and as an aside multiple cricket WC's.....did you notice his contribution? And if by some miracle you did it wouldn't be one of note.

Don't waste your time Dave, being stuck with him on a message board is a plus for him.

,,.

ffs. look at the state of his nose .........

Exactly Bob, some people are just ignorant and stupid

"He calls a lot of people stupid"

Except you

To be fair Denise, I don't often call you stupid, even though you are..... because cowards are just too stupid... to be stupid.

Run along little boy..... it's what you do incredibly well.

"Don't waste your time Dave, being stuck with him on a message board is a plus for him"

LMAO....don't flatter yourself Denise.... being stuck on a message board with you is certainly not something I would be ecstatic about....I just tolerate you.

Unlike you, I don't go around behind people's back emailing other posters on this forum, making demands on them to do certain things or say certain things to other posters on this forum....... or else

As I have said to you many times Denise.... your cowardice extends to way beyond you just running away from your own country.

When or if you ever do grow a set of balls.... only then will I accept the fact that I am actually talking to a boy.... not even a man

Maybe Blob and DA should combine forces that way we might get a single rugby related post out of them?

Don’t hold your breath

DA'Aggro I wasn't talkin to you, you're talkin to me....spot the difference?

I doubt it.

Not real smart are you? I'd go easy on abusing the word stupid if I were you but it won't hurt to use it on yourself.

Now go an roundhouse fly kick some wee innocent then come back and brag about it.

LMAO

" Maybe Blob and DA should combine forces that way we might get a single rugby related post out of them?"

Dave, you and Denise shouldn't play hard to get.....  when you are hard to want.

Nothing wrong with me mate BB, Dave, he's a rock and he has a great sense of humour.

Go try blackmail someone else again Denise....

Always the cowards way ....lol ... always

Blaaah Blaaaah Blaaaah......yes we've got all of that......now let go of your willie and give us a rugby post will yu???

I have, there's about 3 or 4 of mine posted today.

You just can't can you.....always just riding on someone else's back. Yeah I know.

Sjampies.

Oaks you seem to be struggling so here is some help. 

Two great locks we probably all know are Bakkies and Eben. Head and shoulders above others in this time period.

These are the type of locks you want as they have everything. 

Mostert is a warrior but not the complete locks he lacks physicality, a prime requirement for a great lock.

It is also certain that but for injuries Mostert would have been selected behind Lood and Snyman.

Snyman might have been an all time great but for injuries.

So Mostert but for injuries was a fourth choice lock.

Personally I respect Mostert as he made the most of what he had. He had courage and a big engine. 

As for Nortje I see when a number of people were selecting their Rugby Championship team he came into the discussion. He is a very useful player. 

As Mike says it's time to move on. 

As for Rassie Moerst and Orue were quota selections. He is looking for Black forwards. When  Kolisi and Bongi retire on ly one black forward will be playing. I think he also wants a black captain to keep the Am off his back and to help unite South Africa. 

Anyhow hilarious thread. Keyboard warriors and blowharfs  going hard at it. Hahahahahahah a

" always just riding on someone else's back. Yeah I know"

We know you know Dense...lol.....because it's precisely what you have always done....and still do with White people....

You know..... the very same people you wanted to slaughter.

You have been riding White people's backs for decades........ decades Denise....... taking and accepting their free hand outs.....all whilst absolutely hating them...... wanting to kill them......digusting dude....... fucking disgusting.

What an example you are hey....never a man...... always a boy.......

"Two great locks we probably all know are Bakkies and Eben. Head and shoulders above others in this time period.

These are the type of locks you want as they have everything"

Despite you never agreeing with this assessment Beeno, Matfield will always be in the conversation as one of the very best locks to ever represent SA.

Don't get me wrong, I am a huge advocate for Bakkies and Eben, but you can't just put Matfield to the side when discussing the best locks that SA has ever produced.

If I was you Denise, I really wouldn't start mentioning anything at all about riding people's backs..... I seriously wouldn't....

Not when you yourself have all the experience in the world... in precisely just how to do that...riding someone's back.

In fact, you have always been so profecient at doing this, you are our resident expert on this specific topic.

"I began to believe that white people were inherently evil. That non violence was a total waste of time, a lost cause"

"From thereon in I hated all white people and I thought of ways of killing them. Not only killing them but to devise ways of repeatedly killing them"

"I carried that hate with me to Australia, would vent at the slightest stir from the locals......suffered many an outburst. I'll never forget the dumbstruck look on their faces."

What's even more sad and pathetic Denise......is that even when the White people of Australia took you in, your hatred of the White people in Australia continued....but yet you carried on taking anything and everything that you could get your hands on ... from those same White people anyway....... yeah, that's really you dude, that's what you are.

And, here you are.... wanting to talk about riding someone's back..... 

What a fucking joke you are..... you are the absolute epitome of exactly how to ride someone's back... so if anything, you should actually be handing out lessons on precisely how to do it

"Personally I respect Mostert as he made the most of what he had. He had courage and a big engine."

How can you not respect what this guy has done for SA Rugby....

The wars he has been through.... his work ethic.....putting his body on the line repeatedly ..... just incredible

Mostert is a Bok and he shows that every time he puts on that Jersey.

Rassie remembers what he has done for the Boks and he will also give Sous the opportunity to finish his career in style.

What a Bok, no attitude or arrogance, just keeps his head down and gets straight to business.

"What a Bok, no attitude or arrogance, just keeps his head down and gets straight to business"

Spot mon M

No bells and whistles, just gets the job done again ... and again...... and again

Yes DA it’s so Damm obvious, but still you have those trying to step on the man’s legacy….shameless I tell you

And.... believe it or not ..... Mostert is apparently even more efficient at attacking the rucks than Eben is  

Now that says something 

Mostert is fucking useless

"Mostert is fucking useless"

Yep, w e know, Rassie must be stupid.

No Rassie is not stupid, he is just not perfect

Mostert is fucking useless

Most tackles in the 2019 World Cup final despite being on the field for only 58 minutes. Hero.

Second most - Eben. 

These locks making all these "process" tackles, hey? They must never have heard of the Dave Gospel of Rugby.

"No Rassie is not stupid, he is just not perfect"

Ok... so then you are the stupid one ... got it

"These locks making all these "process" tackles, hey? They must never have heard of the Dave Gospel of Rugby."

Yeah Pakie.... 

For someone with apparently so much knowledge of the game, he sure is very blind to the obvious

No DA you dumb twat I’m not stupid enough nor that rugby ignorant to measure the credentials of a Bok test lock by the number of process tackles he makes per game

Fuck me are you seriously this stupid

Do me a favour and refrain from discussing rugby on here - this board will be a better place if you just give us a weather report each day

Too much ice cream can lead to brain fog & angry cognitive decline ....................

Nice rugby post blobbie

"Nice rugby post blobbie"

Bob is not wrong Dave ....

It could be contributing to your ongoing stupidity ....

Just a thought.....

"Do me a favour and refrain from discussing rugby on here"

I'm a bit lost here my buddy.... one day you want me to post, and then the next day you want me to refrain.... it's a bit like your intelligence .... here today, gone tomorrow.

DA it would be a bonus if you were actually funny for then this board would have something to work with

At least with powder puff we get tackles, with you it’s just emptiness

76 caps, with hopefully more to come

ouDawie, sit op jou roomys & go for a spin.

suck it up buttercup.

Sheeesh Dave

Is that really all your legal brain could come up with...... wow

What’s legal about my brain you dumbfuck?

You have been riding White people's backs for decades........ decades Denise....... taking and accepting their free hand outs.....all whilst absolutely hating them...... wanting to kill them......digusting dude....... fucking disgusting.

On the contrary the one who's fucking disgusting is you. While you and your lot enjoyed paradise we the oppressed suffered because of the colour of our skin. And get this, you demonstrated your indifference by voting in the Nazi Party.....your lot with a few exceptions were like pigs at a trough enjoyed all the benefits the Nazi Party had to offer whites. And your lot enjoyed those privileges while demonizing people of colour for nigh on 50 years. Your Nazi Party wrote into law that black was inferior to white and on that basis you enjoyed all of the benefits of the cornerstone of Apartheid law which were (1) Job Reservation meaning the better jobs were reserved for whites and alongside of that were grossly better salaries, (2) the Group Areas act, meaning that people of colour were denied living in better areas and also denied trading in government allocated white areas with the obvious intent to oppress people of colour into poverty. And (3) the Immorality Act which meant it was illegal for a person of colour to have a physical relationship with a white person. It was one of your priest who said that people of colour mustn't say "Our Father" because God was a white man. And a Judge said that when a white man raped a woman of colour it wasn't as bad when a black man raped a white woman.

Never did your lot conscientiously object to what was happening to your fellow South Africans who lived through daily sufferings of humiliation, loss of dignity, loss of freedom, loss of humanity for 46 long years. You lot enjoyed your superiority, you were smug and arrogant. Many a day I'd ask myself....why can't they see?

So go ahead and tell me why under the circumstances and conditions of which I became aware at the age of 12 why I should have loved whites....would you have loved them if the colour of your skin was black? 

You really are a desperate man DA'Aggro......I have nothing to hide or to be ashamed of as far as my political experience is concerned, I can now freely talk and discuss my political past and I'm sure there's some on here who would like to know what happened on the other side. There is no hate or bitterness towards what's happened in the past. You of course had to take a narrative which I openly shared in this forum to paint me in a bad way. You've shown yourself for what you are...a wee small insignificant irrelevant racist.

But here's the thing about my so called hate of whites......there are 4 posters who are white that have met me and know a bit about me...two of them have an English background and two of them are Afrikaners. I'll start off with Mozart, we were friends for decades, shared a great deal of my personal life with him and my wife and I had a lovely lunch with him and his wife on one of my visits. On a second visit I dropped off an autographed copy of "In Black and White" at his place while he was in the USA. Trevor Wilson......the oldies will remember him as "Twilly" ....great guy, met him on the SARU platform, on a different visit I slept at his place. Mike, an Afrikaner, we met and had dinner on two of his visits to Sydney. And last but not least a poster by the nick of "Groenbloed" his name is Burger Malherbe, had a legal practice in the northern suburbs of Cape Town. The oldies on here will remember him. My wife and I had dinner with him and his wife and on a night pouring with typical Cape Town weather, he took me on my first and now only visit to Newlands to watch the Stormers play the Waratahs.

So now let me pivot to the memorable year of the 1995 RWC.

Whatcha think the noble Nelson Mandela was on about getting behind the Boks Hmmm?  Did you think he was a closet supporter for 21 years while serving time o n Robben Island?

No fool........Mandela saved the country from going up in flames. He knew that there were millions like me who were angry, filled with bitterness and hate and wanting to vent those emotions. The oppressed were a powder keg.

Rugby was a catalyst,  a rallying point to nullify those emotions, he used it to unite the nation and to bury the past. Mandela by some miracle was the right person at the right time.

I offered myself up as an example of my personal experience living under Nazi rule and I was honest about it, I do not hate whites and I do not seek revenge. It meant hard work on myself and I'm glad to say it took a while but I've become the person I want to be, no longer a victim of the society I grew up in.

I'll answer any reasonable questions but I really don't feel the need to engage in a past that is best forgotten.

Deny...in 92, 80% of white people voted to end Apartheid...the first time it was an option...yes it was k@k and most of us feel guilty and bad about it...but the Nats weren't Nazis...not even close...fcked up but not Nazis.

"Never did your lot conscientiously object to what was happening to your fellow South Africans who lived through daily sufferings.."

Nonsense, there were many, but the fear of what would happen under black rule prevented it from getting serious traction...we've got a shameful legacy, but we ain't Nazis and we're trying to fix our wrongs ...

DA you really are a worthless scum

No more needs to be said

Denny if I was black back then I’d also hate fucking white people

It took me leaving SA to realise what a fucked up system I grew up in. Growing up in that system you just lived it, you knew no better. You were surrounded by like minded people and thought that way of life was normal.

But there was always something a little different about me, I have always been drawn to black people - maybe it’s because I spent every school holiday on my grandparents farm playing with four Xhosa lads who became close friends. I spoke Xhosa fluently and loved everything about their culture

I don’t see skin colour I see personalities

I don’t see skin colour I see personalities

We've known each other for decades and I've always recognized and known that about you.....G'onya mate. 

Most of the wankers I have met in my life are white

"What’s legal about my brain you dumbfuck?"

Thats exactly my point Dave..... there is absolutely nothing le gal about it 

"It took me leaving SA to realise what a fucked up system I grew up in. Growing up in that system you just lived it, you knew no better. You were surrounded by like minded people and thought that way of life was normal."

What complete and utter horse shit this is, from our resident lawyer.

What like minded people...... most of the White people I grew up with were opposed to apartheid, so I don't know where the fuck you get this experience from...... maybe it's a Grahamstown thing...

I never ever thought that life was normal, and I definitely knew better ....... maybe you didn't and if you feel guilty about it, then that's on you ...... but don't pass off your stupid excuses for doing fuck all back then on to all other White people now.....

"maybe it’s because I spent every school holiday on my grandparents farm playing with four Xhosa lads who became close friends"

Ja Davey, play the "some of my best mates were black" card

"I don’t see skin colour I see personalities"

What a crock of shyte you liar...... the way you previously attacked some black cricketers for no reason whatsoever, that I staunchly defended against you.......pull the other one

You are fake as fuck Dave

"Denny if I was black back then I’d also hate fucking white people"

This say so much about you D ave..... disgusting.

"Deny...in 92, 80% of white people voted to end Apartheid...the first time it was an option"

200% spot on

Why would this have happened if ALL white people felt the same as stupid Dave just mentioned ear lier.....clearly the White people didn't.....hence why it was voted out.

What a stupid naive idiot he is....

This man could never have passed the bar exam.....never

"Most of the wankers I have met in my life are white"

St op sucking up man..... you are almost grovelling here......we get it, you also hate Whites.

"No fool........Mandela saved the country from going up in flames. He knew that there were millions like me who were angry, filled with bitterness and hate and wanting to vent those emotions. The oppressed were a powder keg."

You are the fool here, for believing that all the Whites in South Africa supported apartheid and the disgusting and dehumanising behaviour that was directed to anyone that was non-White.

You are incredibly stupid to believe t his.....

Just look at how many times in your past posts, and even in your one post right here, where you mention "Your Lot" ....and  "You Lot" and your favourite saying ...."You arrogant White South Africans".....or You arrogant Afrikaaners"

Don't even try and convince me that your hatred of White people has gone..... because it is right here in front of us, right now, with your constant anger and hatred directed towards anything White in this country.

Fortunately you have Dave who seems to have only met White wankers and not many others that are non-White..... shame Dave...... us Whites are real bad hey.

"You of course had to take a narrative which I openly shared in this forum to paint me in a bad way. You've shown yourself for what you are...a wee small insignificant irrelevant racist."

Well, it was stated personally by you in a bad way..... so don't try and sugar coat it now to make yourself look better ....that is exactly what you said, so be a man, grow up....  and live with it.... and own it.

I have never wanted to kill Black people.... ever...... and then also find ways to kill them over and over again....so there is definitely one racist between us, and he wanted to wipe out a race of people because of their skin colour..... and he openly admitted this on a public forum..... so..... there if your racist.

Dumb Ass fuck me you have just confirmed how fucking stupid you are and you are also a fucking liar

Should I respond to you and set you straight or should I just not bother given as you are such a waste of fucking space

or should I just not bother given as you are such a waste of fucking space

There's your answer.....for what intents and purposes would you bother with a nobody.

It doesn't make sense.

I’m taking your advice Denny I can’t be asked to waste anymore time on a worthless prick who knows fuck all about rugby

What’s the point of it’s existence on here

Desperate for attention maybe?

It’s like me frequenting a county music message board knowing full well I can’t stand the music and have zero interest in it

Go figure

Desperate for attention maybe?

Y ou've nailed it.

Well why else would you loiter on a rugby message board when you know sweet fuck all about the game?

There are some really desperate people in this world

I wonder if Dumb Ass knows the difference between an inside and an outside centre?