An just like that, with all of Rassies fiddling, the boks have started its drastic slide from 1st place. They had no reason to lose that test match. Why on earth would you leave 7 of your best players at home. It really showed. Why would you pick Mpimpi, his defence was awful. Why would you pick unsettle combinations. Why did they leave Esterhuizen at home when he is fit. Our midfield defence was exposed. Why play the ball wide when it is so hot. We should have stuck with a traditional game in these conditions. Pressure, Pressure. 

We still have that monkey on our back with Ireland taking the number 1 spot. 

Oh my the wailing and moaning of our cry babies on full display. 

When will these rugby toddlers learn that you are not always going to win. 

Of course had Manie sunk that penalty at the end we would still be number one.

But now all is lost, we are in the way down and Rassie has lost it etc etc. 

Hahahahahahahaha. It's hilarious how some emotionally immature oaks react.

By the way those mistakenly thinking the wee abs are not strong need to think again. They also lost to the Argies. 

The fact is the Argies are a decent side and play with great passion particularly at home. Look how the Slaughtered Oz who just lost to the wee abs. 

Note how the Argies comfortably lost their second test against the wee abs. All this shows it's very hard to be at you best match after match. 

Congrats to the Argies. I expext a big turn around next week from the Boks.

Beeno you have shit for brains….typical groupie. You so wise, please explain to us why the boks Fucked up a 17 point lead to just let the Pumas back in and we loose??!!

There was very little structure in any of our game after minute 20. We couldn’t even do the basics right in defending or securing our line out ball??

Get real you plank.

You just don't get in been. When you build a legacy like the all blacks, you don't lose. You find a way to win. 

Rassie finds ways to lose

And if Barrett sunk that penalty we wouldn’t have won the WC final and if  Ramos sunk that penalty we wouldn’t have won the WC QF.

And if Pollard hadn’t kicked 19 out of 19 we wouldn’t  have won any of the knockouts.

Thanks for finally accepting the point HaSBeen.

"Beeno you have shit for brains….typical groupie. You so wise, please explain to us why the boks Fucked up a 17 point lead to just let the Pumas back in and we loose??!!"

Oh dear...

What’s up DB ? All I can say is if you dish it out, be prepared to take it to :)

The AB's are third - And are absol ute shit.

What happens when they get their shit together.

I have said it before and I’ll say it again. Don’t use test matches to experiment. Why does he not pick A teams or minimise the disruption. Fielding an unstable team with 10 changes helps no one. 

We should never gamble on test matches. If players get tired their form will drop. Then the next guy can come in. 

Sasha started well, but went off the boil in his last two games. Pollard is back in contention and should rightly start. 

When the AB get there shit together, they will be more dangerous and not that easy to beat.

When that happens, the Boks needs to be better at everything.

Fielding an unstable team with 10 changes helps no one. 

The groupies won't like it when I say Rassie blundered when he made Moerat a Bok but then the mother of all blunders, Bok captain as well. Just goes to show that somewhere along the line coaches get it hopelessly wrong. He was setting himself up for a fail making 10 changes everytime the team stepped out and to make it worse he selected a rudderless team. He should have learnt from last year's Wales test.

Denny, I couldn't agree more with you. I have no idea why he has been given so much hype. The guy is nowhere near Eben and sub par when it comes to our lock stocks. Probably because he is a player of colour is the only reason why I can think of him being there. Maybe Rassie can't even select a white captain anymore. 

I thought with our new Minister of sport that they would get rid of quotas once a for all. I don't think we would ever field a bok team with all whites because we have so many good players of colour. Look at Ox, skitteling players and destroying scrum.

Either Erasmus is just saying it because he has to, but he reckons this Guy is a top player and Captain??

Moeras is not even close to that level of player and compared to other locks like Ruben VH, Ruan Vermaak, there is definitely other agendas here. A lock that impresses me is Corne Rahl. Really like him.

This guy feels like a Luke puke Watson, that were slimed in because of political favours. Total BS Spreading as Uncle Mike calls it.

The crooked ANC still pulls the strings and the so called new political groupings is BS. They are all Ramaphosa,s new toys.

There is no consoling the dears. 

Somebody hand poor mampara power a tissue or rather a box of tissues. Who exactly are the groupies" who insisted moerst was the Rat, I mean the the best guy to play lock and captain. Let's hear from dense. 

It's very clear Rassie is looking for another Black Bok captain as it gets the AMC etc off his back and get all of South Africa behind the Boks.

Moetst who has captain Ed every side he has played for has not come up to expectations this far. 

Mampara power from minute 18 to roughly half time the Boks were very lethargic. Perhaps it was the heat but it was a very unusual spell from the Boks, unlike I have seen for some years. 

One try scored by the Argies was a direct consequence of the Arendse yellow. 

But for the remaining 53 minutes the Boks were the better side.

Instead of throwing your toys out of tbe kott like poor King Corny you should take it on the chin as one of those days. 

Of course we have Mozzietard adding fuel to the imagined fire. Mozzietard Let's hate Rassie campaign shows no signs of abaiting. That it has made him look like an utter twit escapes him. Maybe he could start his path of redemption by admitting he got Steph Du Toit all wrong. Hahahahahaha.

If we win next week most of tbe oaks will celebrate a Rugby Championship win. 

Mozzietard however is already planning how he could spin a Bok cup win into a smear against Rassie. That's how his wee mind works. He has spread the virus to the less astute rugby folk amongst us like poor dense, mampara and Corny.

Mozart

Any sentence containing IF is based on BS.   

Speak for yourself ou Maaik. Here's you using IF on the very next thread:

If Shaca was fit and playing either Pollard or Libbok would not have been  in the 23 on  the tests  against the Agentinians.

Even if a person does agree with Uncle Clever or Beeno Biscuits, they will not stop there Bias BS spreading and in actual Fact turn out to be the top 2 low-born sluts :) :) keep up the fun Uncle,s.

Pakie

What I said is 100% factual - what Mozart said is if  the penalty in the final was converted  is meaningless as the result stood,   What I said is factual and not fictional.   Shaca is the player that will be the key first choice flyhalf and as De Villiers said the future captain of the Springboks.   So what I said is factual and not fictional.    

In other words if my aunt has balls - she would have been my uncle.            

Any sentence containing IF is based on BS. 

You made the above claim Mike, not me.

Doesn't make him wrong...

My lot are 5th…..hopefully that will improve this Autumn 

Boks will be back at 1 after this weekend

The Boks will undoubtedly win this weekend but are you sure they’ll get back to No.1 Saffolk? Remember 2nd beating 6th at home doesn’t mean a huge bump in points.

Just one thing about Ireland and their #1 ranking......they've never passed the quarter final stage of a RWC.

Just saying...

& I read somewhere that Argies have been RWC semi-finalists x 3.

& I read somewhere that Argies have been RWC semi-finalists x 3.

Yes. Last year they beat Wales to reach the semi where NZ destroyed them.

In 2015 they needed to beat Tonga, Namibia and Georgia to reach the quarters, then did one of their famous ambushes to destroy Ireland to reach the semi.

2007 they topped their pool, beat Scotl and in the quarters and got nailed by the Boks in the semi.

3 Brit teams ........... probably all chuffed to avoid playing the 'heavyweights' in the quarters.

The boks can't get back to 1 because they dropped 1.5 points in getting beaten by Argentina. Ireland will stay number 1 until they lose a game which won't be until march and it is very unlikely that they are going to drop a game in the 6 nations. 

They are on track to win all of their games next season as France, Eng is their closest equals. Scotland can blow hot and cold and Wales is nowhere near them and Italy is a lucky package. 

Kak man they are playing New Zealand in November

New Zealand are more than capable of beating Ireland

I’d be irritated if we dropped to 2 playing our first choice side which thankfully is not the case

Rassie is building depth given the age of his incumbents - it makes sense and I back him doing that

3 Brit teams

Ireland is not a Brit team.

My head is hanging low ......................................

New Zealand won't beat Ireland, Australia nearly beat them and Argentina didn't have a problem against them. England also nearly beat them. This is not their year. Who knows, maybe Razor figures it out next year and finally pick the right players in the right positions. 

They are on par when it comes to their pack. Our forwards didn't dominate them. They just need to pull back their over reliance on going full out attack. 

Oiland will be waiting and unfortunately is the number 1 team in the world without the World Cup. Similar to the New Zealand team of 2007. They were the best team in the world but without the yellow cup as Graham Henry stated.  

Rassie is building depth….what by making Moerat captain, by playing geriatric Am at 12, by choosing serial loser Manie at flyhalf.

Sacha aside who have we found who is up to the standard of the incumbent team.  Some of the players could be, but they are in then out, playing with other new players who haven’t been inculcated in the system. The pattern they are supposed to be playing is unclear….can anybody describe it.

It’s a dog’s breakfast pretty much rescued by Ox.

Some of the players could be, but they are in then out, playing with other new players who haven’t been inculcated in the system. The pattern they are supposed to be playing is unclear….can anybody describe it.

Have to agree, it is non sensical.

Test standard and some

Fassi

Jordan Hendrikse

Edwill vd Merwe

Sacha

vd Bergh

Mchunu

Wessels

Steenkamp

Grobelaar

Andre Hugo Venter

Thomas du Toit

Nortje

Moerat

Buthelezi

Ruan Venter

Elrigh Louw

Ben Jason Dixon

Roos

I guess 18 players not part of the WC squad is not enough new players for you - that’s not building depth?

Wow

Fassi …..some good things

Jordan Hendrikse …..unclear

Edwill vd Merwe …..promising but to be verified

Sacha ….a super star

vd Bergh ….no evidence

Mchunu ….no evidence

Wessels ….no evidence

Steenkamp .. ,decent, but not dominant

Grobelaar ….could be

Andre Hugo Venter ….no evidence

Thomas du Toit …big but unconvincing

Nortje ….good start, but no Mostert yet

Moerat …..hopeless

Buthelezi …..overrated

Ruan Venter …..solid

Elrigh Louw ….solid

Ben Jason Dixon ….not looking good

Roos ….overated

I’m not sure one of these players is going to be as good as our current incumbents, with the exception of Sacha…..let alone all of them comprising a new team that matches our current team . Can you see the issue Dave or are you in the grip of listitis again?

Listitis he he he. Chronic .

Well trust you to be negative about most of our players so thankfully we can take your assessment with a pinch of salt

What that list shows is that Rassie is doing a damn good job of building depth post the WC, contrary to the shit you come up with

18 new players in half a season - that’s good going

Good debate between Dave and Mozart. Just remember that the same team that won the World Cup twice under Rassie were also the same team that played under Alistair Coetzee. Kriel, Kolisi, Etzebeth, Malherbe, Marx, Bongi etc were all players that were humiliated under Coetzee

So to answer Mozart question, can Rassie identify talent? 

Our 2015 team that lost to NZ in the Semi Final

South Africa: Le Roux; Pietersen, Kriel, de Allende, Habana; Pollard, du Preez; Mtawarira, B. du Plessis, Malherbe; Etzebeth, de Jager; Louw, Burger, Vermeulen

Replacements: Serfontein for de Allende (80), Lambie for Pollard (66), Nyakane for Mtawarira (53), Strauss for B. du Plessis (53), J. du Plessis for Malherbe (60), Matfield for de Jager (60), Alberts for Burger (64)

That is a decent spine of the two time world champs. Wonder if we should have given Meyer another crack like they did for Eddie and Graham Henry to name a few. 

But, to be even more confusing. Those players came from WP province when Rassie was the Director of Rugby. But the debate is, was it Matfield that set it up or was it Rassie. Kriel and Pollard were WP players before they got poached by Meyer

Not all of those 18 players are regular starters or settled players.