4 Wins on the trot for Rassies Boks, including inflicting the highest scoreline the All Blacks have ever experienced - just before the World Cup.

Did the Boks accept a decade or more of AB subjugation?

No one can accept that…dit is n bitter pil om te sluk. But it made us stronger and we developed a will to win.

These losses will also make the AB stronger and they will get better. The Boks showed that when our Backline is performing, we are not only the forward beast’s, we are a more balanced machine very difficult to beat.

Never write off "die manne in die swart truie".

Whenever we start chest-beating it's normally the All Blacks (or the British Lions) who bring us down to earth.

The AB style of play is cultural, cuts across all their national teams, probably drills right down to school kid level. So nothing changes, in time they'll gain experience and the smarts and add that to their pattern of play. Also think that it won't take them a long time before it all comes together.

We're slightly on top ATM, things changes quickly...the Allblacks will be back sooner than later...

57-0

Before isolation we were ahead of the wee abs  in test wins over many decades.. 

After isolation we battled with catching up. Poor coaching and quotas bedeviled efforts to regain past heights.

Now there has been a very significant change. To the immense rugby talent the Afrikaners have for the game of rugby have been added the really significant talent of other South African racial groups. 

So provided we don't again get rubbish coaches like ou PDV (Snorre) and stick to merit selections which are now very largely the  case there is no reason why the Boks cant perform, on the whole, better than the wee abs. 

We have traditionally had better forwards and now have very good backs.

I also think we have barely scratched the surface of Black backline talent. We could well have in the future Black backs with the speed of the wind that the kiwis cant match.  How many Ox types are there not out there plus loose forwards? 

There weakening of the Boks via quotas is about over. Hopefully no politician will again interfere in selections. 

The wee abs are likely very nervous right now. A sleeping giant is getting its act together. 

THis of cose does not mean we never lose to the wee abs or other sides. That will never be the case.

RIP wee bas. Hahahahahahahahahahahaahhahahahahaha

Bye the way the wee abs only had that great run because we did not have our act together. That and of course the Get the Yarpie policies adopted by Nz and Oz. As a result of their disgraceful policies we are now playing in the NH. NZ and OZ are now suffering. I warned these not to bright down under types what was going to happen if they didn't stop cheating and low and behold here we are!

So poor frot old crust can bleat on and on about 57 - 0 but he is hurting.

"57-0"

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NZ 57

Tries: Ioane (17), Milner-Skudder (21,53), Barrett (34), Retallick (37), Tu'ungafasi (64), Sopoaga (74), Taylor (80)

Conversions: Barrett (18,22,36,38,65,75,80)

Penalties: Barrett (14)

SA 0

Looking at that team explains why Allister Coetzee was so hopele ss as a coach and a selector.

What are you trying to say rooitwit. Spill the beans. 

NZ will always be a proud and top rugby nation and will remain in the top 5 ranked teams in the world.   That wil remain as long as they are proud of their achievements and retain their national pride - if that goes goes down so will go their achievements in rugby.   

By the way that special team Coetzee coached and lost 57-0  comtaied some players tat was so skilled and well-trained - that according to Mozart they required no changes and Eramus inherite skilled and motivated  that E asmus did nothing to rurn them in a winning team.

.Rooinek - I may be going dilly - are you sure Morne teyn was n fact he flyhalf in the two tests one of which was one by 57-0 and the the econd r was wo by 57.15 - in which made 5 penaltygoasl -s ending  Mozart and a praise song for Morne be a top class flyhalf.

"Rooinek - I may be going dilly - are you sure Morne teyn was n fact he flyhalf in the two tests one of which was one by 57-0 and the the econd r was wo by 57.15 - in which made 5 penaltygoasl -s ending  Mozart and a praise song for Morne be a top class flyhalf."

I am an AB Supporter and I have red some very fair and common sense coments from the Bok suporters.  

Just out of interest's sake among some Aussies a dilly is another name for a dildo, rather fitting in some ways dumb mike.

ABs have beaten us 60 something times, we're about 45 .................... that, plus the 57-0, remains nightmarish.

CF

Have you gone bonkers - i said the AB's will retain their standing in world rugby and added to it humane requitremets for encouraging  extra efforts by playes "to walk the extra mile/''

May I ask you a question though?   Don't you think that New Zealand's decision to exclude SA and Argentina  from Super Rugby was a mistake  that actually had a negatie effect on NZ Rugby?

Actually Bobbok it’s 62 wins to the ABs over 42 for the Boks. Strangely it all turned in our favour once neutral referees were introduced after SA’s readmission……

1976,  Doc Craven offered NZ neutral referees .............. but the kind, historic, innovative & magnanimous offer was surprisingly declined.

Moolaa

I view the backward move by the Sprigbok coaches since 1992 more than anything else.   In SA the coaches appointed vitually believe that SA shall play a ten-man orientated game approach - with bacline players being on the field for defense only - that was nterrupted for about 18 months in 1997 to 1999  - when SA  won 17 tests in a row without a loss andsince thenit was abck tthe stupid 10 man rugby game until until the appoitment of Erasmus as SA Director of Rugby by SARU in April 2018.   Fact is in neither the 1995 and 2007 RWC finals SA scored no tries as a result of the 10 man game plan applied rigorlessly by the SA coaches - especially in 2007/

In 1995 the lost of New Zealand in the final was caused by a mysterious woman  Suzie - who caused stomach problms for the AB's by doctoring players with Kentucky fed Chicken burgers  so letleav that on as a conspiracy theory/ 

However - in his book on his playing career John Smit stated clearly that in the game plan for the 2007 RWC final there were no plan for the Springboks to score any tries and Smit went on  to state that if the English did score a try - the players on the field would have had to work out their own plans and stategy to score a try themselves, 

There was a shot interuption in that strategy in 2009 - but it was back to10 man rugby until Erasmus change the srategy as from 2018 and now remodeled and rfined the stateg further, I cna remember for instance the Dunedin test - where the NZ commenttors metioned two kicks by Morn Steyn was described as BS and from then on the BS in SA rugby became progeively worse.    Since 2012 the Springboks played in 13 tests agast NZ of which only 1 was won by the Springboks in Johannesburg in 2014..   Since the 2018 to date the Springbos played 11 tests against the AB's  and the results were as follows:

                                               AB's wins        Springbok wins      Draws        

 2018  - 2 played                           1                         1                        -

2019   -  2 played                           1                                                  1

2021   -  2 played                           2                         -                        

2022   -  2 played                           2                         -                        -

2023   -  3 played                           1                         2

2024   -   2 played                                                      2 

So in the period  the AB's out of 13 played the AB's won 7 - the Springboks  won 5 and 1 was a draw.   

That is reflecting the changes in playing style since Erasmus took over.  the coaching of the Springboks and future tests will be much more contested than it used to be case before 2018,   The situation is that tests played was more evenly contested and double digit  winning margins routinely became less than 10 points in all matches played.

However, ther is another problem that effected  gatively matches payed on Sper Rugby level and that was New Zealand pushin SA and Argentina - and that was the fircing SA out of Super Rugby- thus reduce the matches where th NZ teams only play against weaker teams and tah I believe would cntinue to affect NZ Rugby negatively,   Do you thn I am wrong in the latter statement ,                      

Moolaa

I view the backward move by the Sprigbok coaches since 1992 more than anything else.   In SA the coaches appointed vitually believe that SA shall play a ten-man orientated game approach - with bacline players being on the field for defense only - that was nterrupted for about 18 months in 1997 to 1999  - when SA  won 17 tests in a row without a loss andsince thenit was abck tthe stupid 10 man rugby game until until the appoitment of Erasmus as SA Director of Rugby by SARU in April 2018.   Fact is in neither the 1995 and 2007 RWC finals SA scored no tries as a result of the 10 man game plan applied rigorlessly by the SA coaches - especially in 2007/

In 1995 the lost of New Zealand in the final was caused by a mysterious woman  Suzie - who caused stomach problms for the AB's by doctoring players with Kentucky fed Chicken burgers  so letleav that on as a conspiracy theory/ 

However - in his book on his playing career John Smit stated clearly that in the game plan for the 2007 RWC final there were no plan for the Springboks to score any tries and Smit went on  to state that if the English did score a try - the players on the field would have had to work out their own plans and stategy to score a try themselves, 

There was a shot interuption in that strategy in 2009 - but it was back to10 man rugby until Erasmus change the srategy as from 2018 and now remodeled and rfined the stateg further, I cna remember for instance the Dunedin test - where the NZ commenttors metioned two kicks by Morn Steyn was described as BS and from then on the BS in SA rugby became progeively worse.    Since 2012 the Springboks played in 13 tests agast NZ of which only 1 was won by the Springboks in Johannesburg in 2014..   Since the 2018 to date the Springbos played 11 tests against the AB's  and the results were as follows:

                                               AB's wins        Springbok wins      Draws        

 2018  - 2 played                           1                         1                        -

2019   -  2 played                           1                                                  1

2021   -  2 played                           2                         -                        

2022   -  2 played                           2                         -                        -

2023   -  3 played                           1                         2

2024   -   2 played                                                      2 

So in the period  the AB's out of 13 played the AB's won 7 - the Springboks  won 5 and 1 was a draw.   

That is reflecting the changes in playing style since Erasmus took over.  the coaching of the Springboks and future tests will be much more contested than it used to be case before 2018,   The situation is that tests played was more evenly contested and double digit  winning margins routinely became less than 10 points in all matches played.

However, ther is another problem that effected  gatively matches payed on Sper Rugby level and that was New Zealand pushin SA and Argentina - and that was the fircing SA out of Super Rugby- thus reduce the matches where th NZ teams only play against weaker teams and tah I believe would cntinue to affect NZ Rugby negatively,   Do you thn I am wrong in the latter statement ,                      

I must say I do miss some of the kiwi posters eg Just Win. He always had a great sense of humour. Don't miss that frothing loon warped Dud.

Our post admission record has been poor due  to a variety of problems. UNder ERasmus sanity has returned but I guess it could equally go missing again.

Hence the future is not cast in stone. all I can say with assurance is our pool of talent has grown. Here again we are only partly down the road but given all the success the Boks have enjoyed more Black gems will be unearthed. Hopefully quotas will be entirely dumped and 100 percent merit so all Boks squads are at full strength. ie no more Orrie type selections.

Provided common sense reigns and we don't regress to hapless coaches like ou Snorre we should be competing for the top spot far more often. No more competing with one arm tied behind our backs and battling crooked refs down under. 

Bye the way we all still remember the notorious NZ ref Brycy Lawrence the most crooked ref in rugby history who was booted off the IRB panel of refs after a disgraceful display that saw the Boks lose to OZ in a RWC match. Brycy's dad was the crook who launched the Get The Yarpie Campaign where Oz and NZ would work together to oust the Boks and then fight for the spoils between themselves. But look were all this has landed the crooks. 

All the is bad news for the wee abs. Hahahahahahaha hahahahahaha

NZ ref Brycy Lawrence the most crooked ref in rugby history who was booted off the IRB panel of refs after a disgraceful display that saw the Boks lose to OZ in a RWC match

I was there watching it all unfold, Pocock was allowed to get away with blue murder while he had a heavy hand on the Boks. We also lost Brussow through injury early in the game, it was painful.

We were never going to win, the Boks towards the end were gutted.

Mike

The ten man game you talking about was about playing to traditional Bok strengths......I guess you already knew that but just thought I'd make it clear.

Actually, it's a very basic form of play and a basic game to coach.