How the fuck can Nkosi not make starting side

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Sep 03, 2019, 11:40

against Japan ahead of Mapimpi for crying out loud?

Am ahead of Kriel again is a stupid call

RG or Lood should have been ahead of lightweight Mostert

Kitshoff and Malherbe to start - he seems undecided about his starting props

Sep 03, 2019, 12:12

Mapimpis is the only out and out left wing in the squad.

Dyantyi and Nkosi would have been my starters barring injuries and doping. Kolbe off the bench with his versatility.

Sep 03, 2019, 12:16

The team is as follows:-

15 Willie le Roux, 14 Cheslin Kolbe, 13 Lukhanyo Am, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Makazole Mapimpi, 10 Handré Pollard, 9 Faf de Klerk, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 6 Siya Kolisi (captain), 5 Franco Mostert, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Malcolm Marx, 1 Steven Kitshoff

Substitutes: 16 Bongi Mbonambi, 17 Tendai Mtawarira, 18 Trevor Nyakane, 19 RG Snyman, 20 Francois Louw, 21 Herschel Jantjies, 22 Frans Steyn, 23 Jesse Kriel

The following from News24:-

When the Springboks line up against Japan in Kumagaya on Friday, it will be impossible for South African rugby fans not to cast their minds back to September 19, 2015. 

That was the day the Boks lost their 2015 World Cup opener to the Brave Blossoms in Brighton in what remains one of the greatest upsets the game has ever seen. 

Now, four years later, the Boks will have their opportunity to meet Japan for only the second time.

The stakes this time around are obviously a lot lower - this is a warm-up match before the start of the 2019 World Cup - but that famous 34-32 loss will be something the Boks are desperate to overturn as clinically as possible. 

Cheslin Kolbe, picked on the right wing for Friday's clash, was not part of the Bok plans in 2015 and his advice for his team-mates is to simply focus on the task at hand. 

"We're a proud nation and we definitely go out there to win and we don't put our minds on losing. I don't think we should have the mindset of what happened four years ago," he said on Tuesday.

"We should just focus on the match happening on Friday and prepare as well as we can and play the best rugby we can.

"What happened four years ago happened and we can't rectify that, we have to stay in this moment and that's going to happen on Friday.

"I don't think we should have any fear within ourselves ... we should just be ourselves and play our natural game."

Kolbe also offered his thoughts on the unique difficulties that come with playing in Japanese conditions. 

"It's something to get used to especially with the humidity, the heat and the ball being wet," he said.

"I think in terms of our playing style we just have to get closer to one another and simplify our game."

Kick-off on Friday is at 12:15 (SA time)."

Sure - we will all remember that fiasco by the 2015 Springbok team.   Meyer did his usual and made his reputation picks for the game and we got beaten.  He even had Alberts in the starting line-up - but had to replace him with Du Toit because the fat tear of Alberts still did not heal.

We all know who buggered u royally in that game - but as per normal the Idiot Speakers blame other players for the loss,    Despite the fact that the Springboks won the RC the Idiot Speakers on site is making claims that the team of 2015 was better performers than the present team.   How the hell they arrive at that illogic only they would know. 

The Japanese this year is a stronger team than the 2015 team was,   Mozart and co must be praying for a Japan victory on Friday - otherwise there BS would be exposed further,

Aside from that there are apparently 11 SA linked players playing for other countries this year in the WC,         



Sep 03, 2019, 12:16

Duplication

Sep 03, 2019, 12:16

It’s easy enough for either Kolbe or Nkosi to move wings.

Agreed Nkosi and Dyantyi would have been my starters

Sep 03, 2019, 13:18

"Mozart and co must be praying for a Japan victory on Saturday - otherwise there BS would be exposed further,"

How can I put this bluntly? It's garbled nonsense such as that, always from you, that drags the quality of this board into the gutter.

Sep 03, 2019, 13:46

No  - it is not.   It is garbled nonsense  that you and Mozart write on site that cause havoc and drags this board into the gutter,   I asked repeatedly that you must refrain from writing BS myths on site and you continue with it.   Clear up your act and we can discuss rugby issues logically and sensibly on site.  

Sep 03, 2019, 13:46

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Sep 03, 2019, 14:06

Why is flab Malherbe starting ahead of Nykana, and why is Kitshoff ahead of the Beast. 

Beast and Nykana have both been better than the other two, who have been out of form the whole season

Sep 03, 2019, 14:28

Saf

Control your tits man.

Maybe he is nursing a little injury.

Also he's just come back from injury, so maybe they are just following precautionary measures.

Fuck you are out of control man.

Great to see Frans Steyn there.

Sep 03, 2019, 16:24

Totally, completely predictable.....Eraser has been moving towards this combination for a while. Weaknesses:

1 The centre combination.....with a dead head at inside centre and no understanding between the two.

2 Mapimpi.....a weak defender, without much nous.

3 No high ball threat....neither wing can get up high in the chase.

4 A toothless front row. Kitshoff is strictly a neutral scrummager and Fattie Malherbe has resumed the belly flop.

5 The strange emasculation of Marx, who has been a shadow of the 2018 edition.

6 Mostert, a wonderful rugby player, should be at blindside with Snyman dominating the middle/back of the lineout.

7 Stephanie should be a bench option covering lock. Too clumsy to defend laterally....no factor on the ground....a rover we can't afford.

8 Kolisi .....not a good defender, useless on the deck, not a lineout option......his ONLY contributions come as a ball carrier. But that implies a blindside role. Which says our whole loosie set up is poor, particularly with Marx not providing cover on the deck.

9 The captaincy is in the wrong hands. Kolisi looks like a nice chap but he is not an assertive leader.....we will go back to the confusion that marked his captaincy last year.

...............

All of which says this is a very flawed team. The bench front row will help.....but that's about the only built in solution to the 9 problems.

That doesn't mean we can't beat most of our opponents who also look flawed. And we don't have a knockout weakness like the Aussies and Bargies in the scrums. It does mean that the improvement in our defence is our only tangible step forward, and Eraser has accepted many flaws which could be exploited by the likes of England and the ABs.

Sep 03, 2019, 16:42

We have been through the same BS a hundred times - when the Springboks won the RC trophy the first time ever the same BS piled up in lorry loads full.   The lies are piling up all the time and they are getting worse, 

As far as the RC is concerned - according to the Idiot Speakers the Springboks in 2015 played better rugby when losing all three RC tests with a negative point difference of 23 than the team winning the trophy and not losing a single test in 2019 with a positive point difference of 51,   

The same players were singled out for the same criticism and the lies followed thick and fast.  Every time they were disproved hysteria built up on the part of what deservedly is called the Idiot Speakers - because they think the other site members are idiots who will accept their normal BS,

Start praying that the Springboks lose on Friday because if they win the Idiot Speakers will get it in the neck again.     

Sep 03, 2019, 17:18

Nkosi should be starting. He gives some muscle to the wing. It is good to have one skilful wing and a bigger wing that can bust tackles when there is no space.


It might have been good to have given Kolbe a chance at fullback, given Willie Leroux has not been in form this year so far. 

Kolbe is a must, as is Nkosi. They try that Nkosi scored in the last match against Argentina made them look like amateurs.



Sep 03, 2019, 20:06

Frans Steyn is the backup cover for flyhalf. No Elton Jantjies.....


Let's just hope Frans Steyn does not have to do any clearance kicks. Other than that, he should be fine at 10. Surprised Elton is not on the bench though

Sep 03, 2019, 20:56

Naas Botha at 10 ahead of Fransie...great player, but no test 10, not even in his prime. Solid bench option with his xp, but thats it...and nowhere near 10, thanks.

Sep 03, 2019, 21:02

Frans Steyn is the biggest liability in that 23 - it was embarrassing the way the Argie 12 made him look the hasbeen he is

It’s concerning that Rassie seems to have swept that flaw under the carpet.

Also the continued investment in powder puff Mostert over RG and Lood is alarming

Sep 03, 2019, 23:29

Biggest liability isn’t anybody on the bench. Neverbeen Allende gets my vote...he has been a cul de sac for 5 years.

Sep 04, 2019, 00:02

de Allende has been good for some time now, beats more defenders and makes more clean breaks than the majority of test 12’s out there.

His strength makes him a real handful.

As for old man Frans - that Argie 12 showed us all except Rassie where Frans is at and where he has been for some tine now

Sep 04, 2019, 01:24

Mozart madness 

"Biggest liability isn’t anybody on the bench. Neverbeen Allende gets my vote...he has been a cul de sac for 5 years".

The Idiot Speaker has been at it about De Allende for 5 years and wants Steyn in at 12.   This year Montpellier has decided the latter was useless at 12 and 10 and when they did use him it was at 15,    One wonders why? 

When Steyn buggered up royally in all four bench tests he played in the Idiot Speakers gave him 7 or better in their ratings until AO got humbled and reduced his rating to 6 in one test.   In reality he was never better than a 4,5 and one test a 3, 

What a weird world the Idiot Speakers live in - LMAO      

Sep 04, 2019, 04:30

Mapimpi hasn't looked himself for the Boks this year. Some of that is possession based, against Australia and New Zealand he had 1.1 and 0.8 possession (5 and 2 runs). He saw a slight increase against Los Pumas and we saw a strong second half as a result. He is our best overall wing, but we aren't getting the best of him this year. 

Damian and Kriel will be interesting to watch. The former struggles against Aussie style attacks, where they challenge 10 and 12, moving defenders around and spreading them out. We could see more of this against Japan. He had a reputation for strength which really had no origins other than the thin air between the media's ears. 

As per Montpellier? I couldn't care less what they think or don't think. I saw Frans for the Boks and that was better than anything Damian has ever done. That's the end of the matter. It was, however, a very cruel injustice to omit Andre. In Andre Rassie has the best passing centre in South Africa, but also our strongest carrier and defender. A defender who changes the way the opposition engage the Bok line. Seeing as Rassie has built the Boks on defence, his omission was an exceedingly shortsighted decision. Damian offers no advantage over Andre. 

Kolisi is not a forward. His best work is in space, he is too weak to carry into heavy traffic like one would expect of an Alberts et al. No surprises that Rassie often groups Kolisi wide with Kriel and Willie. 

Mostert at 7 and Snyman at 5 immediately upgrades the Boks. Steph at 7 hasn't worked and isn't going to miraculously click now. Snyman is too good to leave on the bench. If anything, Steph is the utility forward for the bench. 

So many easy decisions, so many mistakes. 

Sep 04, 2019, 04:56

When did ,you saw better of Steyn for the Springboks - in 2012 he was shit poor - in 2017 worse in the bench games he came on in and his year he was anytime as bad as he was in 2012.

I know you dream about things that happens in games and then state them as factual.   The bugger-ups they make you pretend never to see and the positives you pretends never happened.   How many times do we have to put up with the garbled rubbish you write?   When will you ever start being objective on performances o teams and players?  

Do you still think other members are idiots - who must believe the garbage you come up with?   Maybe you should clean up your act and start making logical statements one can debate on a reasonable level.       .    


Sep 04, 2019, 06:38

I wasn't talking about any test prior to this year Lügnerin. 

"The bugger-ups they make you pretend never to see and the positives you pretends never happened."

The unspecified incidents that never turn up in film reviews. The cornerstone of the Lügnerin egg experience. Repeating those words isn't going to make it any more real, or believable. You need a new trick as you are becoming rather stale. 

Sep 04, 2019, 08:28

Just another squad riddled with quotas. (Beast, Bongi, Nyakane, Kolisi, Am, Mapimpi)

Funny to see you lot squabbling over your preferred quota.

Haaaaaaaaahahahahahaaaa!! Totally brainwashed.

Throw in a few useless entities like De Allende, Frans Steyn and Louw and you have the makings of a potential disaster.

What really cracks me up is the write up ... "Rassie selects a powerful team to face Japan" ... and all of you buy into it.




Sep 04, 2019, 08:43

Not-so-CleanCut,  what team will you be supporting at the RWC ?

Sep 04, 2019, 08:55

Not a bad side at all. Why folk think this is necessarily Rassie's match 23 is baffling.

The comments regarding Allende and Du Toit are wrong. 

The Boks are going to win this one so relax and enjoy. 


Sep 04, 2019, 11:09

England. Said so ages ago.



Sep 04, 2019, 11:22

AO  LMAO - the Fatso was useless in all 4 matches he played in - defense virtually bordering on the poorest imaginable.   Made 1 off load and 2 passes in three RC tests,  Carried the ball 10 times -serious ball hogging in evidence,   Bar 1 carry here he made about 15 meters - the rest was totally ineffective,   Too pace-deficient and clueless to be in any test team.

The above shows how really deficient the player was - fact is an embarrassment on test level.   He was just about 1%  better than the clueless, slow and useless Esterhuizen,   Steyn ios the luckiest guy to be in the WC squad.

Happy Idiot Day to you.  Dream on about how wonderful the two major flops Steyn and Esterhuizen are,  LMAO            

Sep 04, 2019, 12:24

2019 RC Attack Stats:

De Allende                     Steyn

5                    passes          2
15                  carries         12
32                 meters          36
2           defenders beaten   1
0             clean breaks        2
0               offloads             2
2      turnovers conceded    0
120      minutes played       69

Steyn achieved more on attack in 69 minutes than DA did in 120 minutes.

But Steyn is the dud.

Riiiiight.

Sep 04, 2019, 14:28

Have a look at his defense BSter as well as the fact that De Alende did work other than Steyn such as ball protection and recovery as well.  And then there was also two cases where Steyn did let people just run past him without even making a tackle attempt.   And a couple of charge down kicks as well.

There is no way that Steyn is a center or flyhalf anymore - a dud as identified by his club as well.   Too slow to be effective anyway.        

      

Sep 04, 2019, 16:21

DeadHead Allende's 'breaks' amount to nothing. Not done at pace, never an offload.....simply holds his feet in the tackle while the ruck forms around him.

Six years of nothing!

Sep 04, 2019, 16:46

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Six years of lies is a lot to compile.  Fat Fransie had 7 years of nothing and ot wss never necessary to lie once about what happened.

Frankly what the prejudiced Idiot Speakers say about him means ZERO,  I listen to what real professionals say about him - not a centers' backside - neither a flyhalf as well.   Ask Plumtree and the Montpellier management about him and listen to them - not the absolute Idiots on site.       

Sep 04, 2019, 16:46

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Sep 04, 2019, 17:00

Pathetic posting.........stop pressing the button Muck you fool.

Sep 04, 2019, 17:26

My computer seized and I had to restart it - dimness.  That was probably the reason for the duplications.

Sep 04, 2019, 18:50

Stop using your thumbs Muck

Sep 04, 2019, 19:15




Sep 04, 2019, 19:21

Cry me a fcn river! Riversdal is a fantastic place, but the internet is kak!

Sep 04, 2019, 19:23

South Africa must still be connecting ropeband to a potato (router). The mashing of keyboard doesn't help matters. 

Sep 04, 2019, 20:00

I have a TELKOM connection - need I say more!!!!!

Sep 04, 2019, 20:02

Indeed  Herr Auge, but sometimes it's not necessary to jump on trivialities just to get a shot in...fighting just for the sake of it is stupid...that's why I constantly step in it too. I love stupid!

Sep 04, 2019, 23:13

Bloody fat thumbs

Sep 04, 2019, 23:16

Now that he’s back.....Frans 23!

Sep 05, 2019, 00:06

SA connected by ropeband & potatoes

Nah, the potatoes get stolen & the rope set alight:devil:

Sep 05, 2019, 01:17

I think I've isolated the problem with Lügnerin's setup.



The Altair 8700 BSer.

Sep 05, 2019, 07:57

Mozart

A hell of a promotion for Steyn to be 23 in anything.   On 2014 Steyn was rated by  Foxport as the 253rd most valuable player in Super Rugby and the 32nd center on their list,    Before that he was dropped from starting in the SR team in 2013 (overweight, unfit and not a center at all) and in 2015 because he was red-carded and banned for 5 weeks.

This year he did sometimes made an appearance at full back for Montpellier, but was not a first choice layer ever, being used in the main as a cover for injured players,

Congrats to him on the number 23 jersey,   Hope he does not  bugger up the Springbok campaign as he is uniquely capable of doing.                                            

Sep 05, 2019, 07:57

Mozart

A hell of a promotion for Steyn to be 23 in anything.   On 2014 Steyn was rated by  Foxport as the 253rd most valuable player in Super Rugby and the 32nd center on their list,    Before that he was dropped from staring in the SR team in 2013 (overweight, unfit and not a center at all) and in 2015 because he was red-carded and banned for 5 weeks.

This year he did sometimes make an appearance at full back for Montpellier, but was not a first choice layer ever, being used in the main as a cover for injured players,

Congrats to him on the number 23 jersey,   Hope he does not  bugger up the Springbok campaign as he is uniquely capable of doing.                                            

Sep 05, 2019, 15:36

Steyn in 2023.....do try to follow the bouncing ball Muck!

Sep 05, 2019, 20:16

Frans was the best South African 12 in 2014. There is no alternative to that fact. It's absolutely ridiculous in the extreme to suggest anyone else. Serfontein imploded in game one, which just so happened to be against the Sharks. 

" Hope he does not  bugger up the Springbok campaign as he is uniquely capable of doing."

Lets put it this way: Lets hope he doesn't defend his opposite number with his back facing them... three times in succession. That was a doozy of the tractor. Lets hope he protects the ball in contact, not hop Gangnam Style before contact, crab towards the touchline, run in circles (literally), provide a 6 second recycle from tractorball, escort his opposite number to the touchline over 40 metres. Yes, lets hope. :D

 
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