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Jul 16, 2022, 12:56

What a game and what a great series that was.

How many times SA supporters have claimed that IR was playing SA style, how many times SA supporters have claimed that to beat the ABs, one must play the way SA rugby play, that is refusing to play rugby.

First thing first, IR plays rugby, SA rugby do not. The difference in display is stunning (even though plenty in SA will claim that IR is just another SA rugby)

Three full games, all played with intensity, between two sides looking for (and scoring) tries. The decider was a pearl of a game, getting people excited, jumping from their chair, screaming, nothing like the despair that the usual  game involving SA rugby gives.

Given that, how many SA supporters and their globalist support have claimed that welcoming SA rugby sides in the now African European rugby cups would help european rugbys to progress

How many times they will keep claiming that welcoming SA rugby in the 6Ns will help European rugbys to progress.

It wont stop SA supporters from claiming that IR plays like SA does.

Yet IR breathes rugby. SA rugby is the death of the rugby game.

Jul 16, 2022, 13:11

I've never heard this beofre. Do yarpies really believe that Ireland plays like them? Fuck me how dumb can stupid fuck really be? The Spuds play their own brand of rugby and that's their tradition. Arrogant yarpies trying to claim greatness indirectly by claiming others copy their game... fucking hilarious. You fucking wish the splingblockers played like that. In all honesty tier two and three teams have better attacking play than the boks. The boks just have fat people who are heavy. 

Jul 16, 2022, 15:18 just stepped in dog$h!t without realising.

Jul 17, 2022, 09:40

I've never heard this beofre. Do yarpies really believe that Ireland plays like them?

As a rule of thumb, unless an external link is provided, posts refer to opinions expressed on this board (even though they may be found elsewhere)

Here is a non exhaustive list of claims made on this board that relate to the case:

  1. IR and SA rugby play the same (already addressed)
  2. To beat regularly the ABs, a side must play as SA rugby do (partially addressed)
  3. The ABs have been that great because they play regularly against SA rugby(non yet addressed)
  4. If IR wants to move their rugby to the next step and keep improving, they must face regularly SA rugby (not yet addressed)
Posts are not made out of the blue, they follow up opinions expressed on this board.
Claims are so numerous though that it is not possible to address them all.

Jul 17, 2022, 10:36

Sounds about right. I've seen that shitty arrogance before. 

Jul 17, 2022, 11:42

Red Rose, I realise you have never played rugby before, nor probably other physical sports like boxing. Skill is important, but so is power...

England has never been a very expansive team compared to the likes of the All Blacks or Australia, When England has played at their best they have played more like South Africa with a dominant pack and a good kicking 10 like Jonny Wilkinson, and a strong defence. 

Not sure if you are from England, or if you are a South African that perhaps moved to England and now hates South Africa. Although like you, that is an irrelevant statistic. 

If a physical team dominates the set pieces, collisions and breakdowns, it is very likely they will win. When the All Blacks were at their best, this was the only way to beat them. 

A boxer like George Foreman who became heavyweight world champion at 45 while being totally unfit, and by his own admission was never the most skilful boxer- is a testament how important power is. 

It is obvious that South Africa has to be more expansive, but on the other hand, South Africa has 3 world cups- and has the most successful record next to the All Blacks in world rugby. 

Ireland while playing well, has never won in New Zealand- and let's be honest this is perhaps the weakest All-Black team of all time. 

Jul 17, 2022, 13:05

It is a matter of trend.

While EN way of playing was more restrictive, it keeps moving toward an expansive version of the game.

That is a trend. When EN beat NZ for the first time in their history during a WC, they played a (way) more expansive rugby than the kind of rugby they played when they won their only WC.

SA rugby is on the opposite trend: while their game was already very restrictive, they have kept stripping their already meager game (in order to keep pretending) toward more and more restriction.

Today, on a common day, SA rugby sides come to a rugby pitch with the intent of controlling the scoreboard through penalty kicks. It tremendously decreases the requirements put on players and allows them to compete with other teams.

The decline of NZ is put in contrast as they face rugbys that bring more to the table than mere physicality.

The Irish pack delivers power (it is another SA rugby supporters myth that SA rugby bring that much physicality to a game) But an IR side brings more than that. It adds more challenges to solve hence an NZ side in more trouble.

When IR beat NZ years ago in the US, they played a more restrictive rugby game. They would not have won the series playing that stuff.

As to boxing, already stated: boxers may in a square ring accepting to box.

They may step in refusing to box, trying to control the pace of the bout. Anytime it goes too fast, they cut down the distance, hug their opponent, try to get an eye injury by rubbing their forehead against the opponent's brow, tire their opponent by resting their bodyweight on him etc

Which is  a very similar strategy as the one applied by SA rugby.

Jul 17, 2022, 13:10

On the decline of NZ rugby: it is not by far the only cause of the loss.

IR came to play three games. They played no mind games, they did not bluff. They played according to the same game plan the three games.

The first game, the game plan was not properly executed and they were aptly punished by NZ.

Pressing the result as being caused by the decline of NZ rugby is another comforting way to avoid facing the ocean that separates SA rugby from other rugbys.

Jul 17, 2022, 15:18

"I realise"

Scrap that from your vocab you pompous dildo. Your take on England is fucking outdated. We've been expansive for a really long time. Since the 2000s. Had a blip in the mid 00s but since 2010 we've been able to attack on a par with Australia and New Zealand. You assholes have never been that level and see way way off our ability. We also knocked your cunts around like ragdolls.

Your fucking stupid about how to beat the kiwis. You had to dominate territory and stop their attack getting in and around you. South Africa don't just have to structure better with forwards and backs on attack they actually need to produce more skilful and smarter players.

For someone so arrogant you know fuck all about the game. Probably come on here because life got you down and now you need to talk the shit nobody you know wants to hear. Piss off Bark! 

Jul 17, 2022, 16:19

You can have your own opinion, but you can't have your own facts... The games marked in green were victories to the Springboks.... Yes, you have been our bitches.... Accept your place...

Is it possible to stop swearing, you uncultured chav? You were not allowed to play rugby in England, so should you even be allowed to comment on it...

No decent English person speaks like you do. You sound more like Ali G...

18 November 2006Twickenham, London23–21England
25 November 2006Twickenham, London14–25South Africa
26 May 2007Free State Stadium, Bloemfontein58–10South Africa
2 June 2007Loftus Versfeld, Pretoria55–22South Africa
14 September 2007Stade de France, Paris0–36South Africa
20 October 2007Stade de France, Paris6–15South Africa
22 November 2008Twickenham, London6–42South Africa
27 November 2010Twickenham, London11–21South Africa
9 June 2012Kings Park, Durban22–17South Africa
16 June 2012Ellis Park, Johannesburg36–27South Africa
23 June 2012Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium, Port Elizabeth14–14draw
24 November 2012Twickenham, London15–16South Africa
15 November 2014Twickenham, London28–31South Africa
12 November 2016Twickenham, London37–21England
9 June 2018Ellis Park, Johannesburg42–39South Africa
16 June 2018Free State Stadium, Bloemfontein23–12South Africa
23 June 2018Newlands, Cape Town10–25England
3 November 2018Twickenham, London12–11England
2 November 2019International Stadium Yokohama, Yokohama12–32South Africa
20 November 2021Twickenham, London27-26England

Jul 17, 2022, 16:30

Fuck me we got Bark really going for the long ball now. You got nothing, you idiotic goat herder.

Jul 17, 2022, 19:02

Your masters are in green!!!

Yes, you have been our bitches, and we once again showed that in the World Cup final with 2 tries to 0. 

Jul 17, 2022, 20:13

Masters my arse. On a losing trend playing the shittest rugby in the world and you're some kind of big shot. Loser talk. You're not going to have much to back up these words by the end of the year and it'll be back to the yarpie self destruct attacking each other and the coach after it all turns to shit... Again.

Jul 17, 2022, 22:24

Can you read? Can you see the Boks have totally dominated England over the last 15-20 years...

Why do you have an Avatar of the Bok World Cup... You clowns were soundly beaten in the final by the mighty Boks. 

Jul 17, 2022, 23:29

We have a stunning trend over your world cup holding farces you moronic ballbag. I even spell it out to you but you still don't get it! 

Jul 17, 2022, 23:42

Your place is in the kitchen, get me a beer bitch. The coldest one... 

And don't think too much about your "pretty" rugby with a pink rose... It's a mans game, something you just cant understand. 

Jul 18, 2022, 00:00

Yeah, rather a rose than a flower that looks like a stubby little dick. Take your closet Homo issues to a gay bar fag. 

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