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Jan 21, 2025, 07:55

Dave exclaims that Jirre-Enzo played well this weekend. And i think most of us enjoyed the try he scored last weekend. 


...though when he was chasing that counter attack kick down the touchline, how he was the third fastest man in that chase? He doesn't have express pace. Fassi would have gassed the shit out of those other two runners over 50m.


At 178cm, he's not a big guy either.


Sucks for him that he stopped growing...right? Him at 190cm would have been something else.


So he's not big, and he's not exceedingly fast. 


Now, Moodie is 189cm and Hooker is 194cm.


I like this picture much more for a 12/13 combination - We know Moodie can do it and we've seen enough of Hooker to know that he could switch his brain off and play at least as well as DDA.


Kolbe and Arendse, they have that express pace and more guile than necessary. So it's not definitive, all things being equal, that a bigger guy is better.  


Jirre-enzo needs a couple of years of scoring good tries before he should be considered. 


Since he's not quick and not big, he'd be better served just jacking out and getting huge. For a short guy like him, another 7-9kg's, get up to like 105KGs and just beast-mode everybody. 


At the 27 WC, as things stand, we want Sacha, Fassi, Willemse, Arendse and maybe (Moodie and Hooker). In terms of looking for a 12, the mandate simply has to be a player that  is inclined to temper the naturally adventurous nature of the other backs in the side. Not necessarily someone as methodical as DDA. And AE will be 33...


Perhaps the plan is for AE to take over now. Maybe that is why Rassie has stuck with him.


But if it's not AE then the Boks are on the hunt for a new starting 12. 


I believe Rassie would want to cushion that 12 and not expose him to the burden of having to carry a new player like Jirr-enzo. 


TLDR; AE being the man going forward would make it more likely that Jirr-enzo gets a shot.



Jan 21, 2025, 10:38

Oh boy since when does height determine size the guy is 96kg the same weight as Am and Jessie Kriel. He has huge stocky legs and stacked upstairs. He weighs more than Moodie

Wake the fuck up

His pace is off the mark not over 50 metres - he has explosive pace off the mark evidenced by the try he set up for Hooker earlier this year

And yes he had a good game this past weekend, especially those touches by hand

Fuck me you are so damn rugby ignorant it is scary

Let me guess Ox at 1.73m and 123kg is not big either?

Jan 21, 2025, 11:03

Julius looks good, I'm cautiously optimistic about him. Had a good game this weekend.

Jan 21, 2025, 11:33

I’ve seen more than enough of Julius to know he looks special - there are the obvious physical attributes but it’s the subtle things that impress me the most - the offloads, the lines, movement before he receives the ball. The lad has good rugby software

Reminds me of Am but with more ammunition given his explosive pace off the mark

I’m more excited about Julius than I am Sacha, that’s how much I think he is the real deal and let’s face it Sacha is off the ceiling special

Jan 21, 2025, 11:36

I never said I don't like him.

He's obviously a good player. But there is the requirement that he prove himself for a year or two.

Saffex, you keep saying "fuck me!"...are those Freudian slips? Been a while for you or what?

Jan 21, 2025, 12:43

Julius also steps very well and is able to beat his man. 

Willemse can play 12 with Fasdie at 15.

What is the problem barring possible injuries. 

I think we should have a squad to challenge for the cup in 2027.timr will tell.

I see though people talking about the lack of depth in our rugby due to poor performances of our provincial teams.


Jan 21, 2025, 14:27

Spot on Beeno the obvious call is play Willemse at 12 with Fassi at 15 - it’s a no brainer

Backup at 12 would be Hooker and David Kriel 

Sacha at 10, Libbok and Jordan Hendrikse as back ups

Jordan Hendrikse and Moodie back up 15

Options at 13 are Jurenzo Julius, Moodie, Henco v Wyk and Hooker - for me Julius walks it and he does not need a season or two to prove it - Sacha and Moodie never did, nor did Pollard and Willemse. I’d have him ahead of Jessie right now - no brainer

Wings Arendse, Kolbe, Moodie, Green and Edwil vd Merwe

Plenty of options at 9

Jan 21, 2025, 15:45

Sexy ?! 

Jan 21, 2025, 15:48

Something you want to tell us, Dave?

Jan 21, 2025, 16:02

Hi Becs, good to see you back.  

Jan 21, 2025, 16:12

Fuck sake this predictive text shit

Sexy from Sacha :)

Jan 21, 2025, 17:09

Dave, did you actually watch the Sharks game at the weekend?

If you did you would have seen that the Sharks turned over a ball in the 1st half, kicked it in far behind the Frenchies, and it became a foot race with the Frenchies having to track back.

Both the French guys left Julius behind.

So I can only conclude that you didn't actually watch the game.

And the point I was making was not that Julius is slow. Just that he doesn't have express pace like Fassi or Arendse...which is a bumber for him because we generally accept that a player is small so long as he is very quick. And 178cm is pretty short for a Test 13.

Lol Julius is only 2,8 inches taller than Kolbe...7cm. But sure, he's a giant among men haha

Jan 21, 2025, 17:12

Anyway, our problem at the next WC won't be the backs. As I stated on another thread, we have plenty of backs with experience already and they'll only be better in 3 years time. Not much tweaking required there...provided we decide pretty soon who will be taking over from everyone's favourite donkey at 12.

It's up front where we're gonna have major issues.

Jan 21, 2025, 17:48

I don’t buy that excuse, Saffolk ;) 


Hello Mozart, thank you :) 

Jan 21, 2025, 18:24

Fuck Plum you are really rugby stupid and I mean that sincerely

1.78m is hardly short now is it? It’s not like the guy is a dwarf, he is a similar height to Henco v Wyk

But he is stocky, check how big his legs are, he weighs 96kg is that too small for a test 13 huh? If so what the fuck are Am and Jessie doing playing centre at test level huh?

I would expect Arendse and Fassi to be quicker, they are outside backs. Jurenzo’s pace is over 10 or 15m - it’s explosive pace, it’s why he is so good at attacking space. But if you knew anything about rugby and had watched him play enough, you would know that

There is nothing wrong with his pace in general and it’s certainly not defined by the one example you have provided.

Fuck me you really are clueless - especially considering your absolute ignorance when it comes to our future forwards - yeah we really are going to struggle with the likes of Marx, AH Venter, Ox, Steenkamp, Wessels, Wilco, Thomas, RG, Hanekom, Wiese, Roos and Elrigh Louw on board - it’s going to be a real, real struggle - no other rugby playing country has anything close to that list of forwards for the future not even close

Jan 21, 2025, 18:32

Obviously we need a Mozcrosope sort this thing out…..so far I watched him in the second part of the Sharks debacle. He did make one spectacular offload. But then he tried to force the same offload again and botched the move.

He seemed rather short.

Jan 21, 2025, 18:36

Stop saying "fuck me"...nobody wants to.

Yes, Dave...that's why backlines across so many franchises and test sides are comprised of 5'10 backs.

And I'm totally sure that if you asked Julius if he'd like to be taller, he'd say "Nah, I'm the perfect height for a Test 13."

Lol you clown!

Jan 21, 2025, 18:40

Julius and Henco are both shorter guys and strong on there feet…..

So if Jurenzo will walk straight into starting team, is to be seen.

But he is a good candidate just like Henco…..

Jan 21, 2025, 18:42

You are a fucking idiot so at 1.78m and 96kg he can’t be a test centre because hey ho his opponents are going to a whole centimetre taller than him

I’ve read it all

Yeah he is really slow judging by this YouTube clip of him

https://youtu.be/43SOF4PWO6g?si=RuocWaiL0Sdvm2wO

Jan 21, 2025, 19:35

Dave, you mong!

I never said he can't be a Test 13. I never said he was slow either.

I said he is not a big guy and he doesn't have express pace.

...and that may account against him.

If a guy comes along, with the same attributes in terms of skill etc that Julius has, but he weighs 100kgs and is 10cm taller...on balance, there is no way you pick the smaller guy.

This isn't difficult to understand.

Anyway, he has a low centre of gravity and is a strong runner. So he can turn quickly and break a tackle...which is great. For me, I just need more evidence before I'll rate him ahead of Moodie, or Hooker.

Jan 21, 2025, 20:04

Fuck how stupid are you? How is 96kg small huh?

Why in heavens name would a taller guy weighing 100kg be better

Are you seriously this fucking stupid? Serious question

And as the video clips show there is fuck all wrong with his pace

But you keep ignorantly chipping away - I’m sure you can make yourself look even more stupid than you have

The floor is yours

Jan 21, 2025, 20:30

In you ideal world...is the Bok backline made up of guys weighing 150kgs and 1,4m tall?

Jan 21, 2025, 20:43

Just answer the question

How the fuck is 1cm and 4kg going to make the taller guy a better option huh?

Jan 21, 2025, 21:46

Smaller men wearing masks were found to be more intimidating

Jan 21, 2025, 23:25

Where has Moz gone masked man?

Jan 22, 2025, 01:15

I also noticed that he looked a bit slow chasing his own kick. It certainly appeared the oppsotion were faster in a flat out race over 30 metres. 


For a young player that is concerning, as this is usually the best asset of ouside backs that are younger. 
Although maybe he never hit his stride. He looked a bit wobbly when running. 

Jan 22, 2025, 01:15

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Jan 22, 2025, 01:27

Oh Shark why not go check this out and then come tell us he looks slow

You idiots look at one run and then define him as slow

You are fucking irritatingly clueless

https://youtu.be/43SOF4PWO6g?si=RuocWaiL0Sdvm2wO

Jan 22, 2025, 05:30

But Mostert is a lightweight because he doesn't have those valuable extra 5kgs.

What is this 1cm you are talking about?

I'm happy to see that others are just as "clueless" as I am

Jan 22, 2025, 08:24

Her DumbleDork

This is what Jirr-Enzo doesn't have.

I'm not saying tis the end of the world.

I'm simply saying it would be nice if he could skin one of the fastest players on the other team by 8m over a 40m distance.

Note how he slows down to wait for the kick, and then blasts past the Ozzie. 

Jirr-Enzo can't do that. Only Kolbe, Williams, Arendse and Fassi can.

...and all I was saying is that ti sucks for him that he can't. Because it limits what he can rely on to be successful.

To prove the point, take express pace away from any one of the guys above...and they're instantly less appealing. 

Unless we are living in some alternate reality we more speed doesn't equal more advantage.

Jan 22, 2025, 11:19

So what part of his YouTube footage did you not take in?

That footage clearly demonstrates he has plenty of pace but you are stupid enough to define his pace based on one chase he clearly did not fully engage in

Also what part of him having explosive pace off the mark that sets him apart do you not get - that is evidenced by the try he sets up for Hooker - also available on YouTube. It’s that very explosive power that the commentators were lamenting over

As for useless Mostert, he is 10kg too light for Bok lock

Jurenzo Julius at 96kg is the perfect weight for a test 13

Are you able to comprehend the difference? I doubt it

Jan 22, 2025, 13:56

Very good point, but to be honest, Brian O Driscol wasn't the fastest over 40m either. I watched him play a couple of times live and he had such a knack for breaking the line and just cutting the defence. He had extreme acceleration and fantastic running lines. It was really hard to defend against him. He just made things happen around him. 

I think Jurrenzo is in the same mould. He can just make things happen around him. 

178 is tall enough and I think Bundy is the same height. 

I see big backs these days have less of an impact. I think there are room for different size players. It is not the same game it was 10 or 20 years ago when we have J De Villiers who were both really big and quick. Those guys were fast. 

But to find players like that are rare but it also proves you don't need such players. 

So I Jirrenzo is good. Need more game time, but I would judge for a kick chase on scramble defence 

Jan 22, 2025, 14:04

But equally it shows in his YouTube clips that there is absolutely nothing wrong with his pace, in fact it shows he is quick - certainly no slower than Jessie or Am

There is no ways Jean de Villiers or Jacques Fourie were quicker

Jurenzo is not short and certainly not tall, average height would best describe him. I’m a similar height and no one has ever called me short

And at 96kg he is certainly not small

This kid has everything, I’m more excited about him than I am Sacha - that’s how good he is. He oozes class

Jan 22, 2025, 14:23

Which is what I'm saying.

He's pretty short so able to turn quickly and is strong enough to break tackle when he hits arms.

He's never going to outstrip Fassi or Arendse for pace, but it's not the end of the world.

He'll harden up for too over the coming years.

...but he does need a few more pages in his resume before I'd consider him ahead of other young guys that have proved themselves.

Jan 22, 2025, 17:03

He has more in his resume than any young player other than Sacha 

You would know that if you had watched every game he has been involved in 

Jan 22, 2025, 17:07

Sidestep is the weapon O Driscoll had….Kolbe has it. Habana never did but he was the fastest player on the park Nor did Jean….Stepfontein did, but he was a carthorse.

Take the masked man, only 3rd in the school hundred,  but 2nd in the high jump after he taught himself Valeriy Brumel straddle and the morons we’re still doing the scissors. But a step to die for.

 

Jan 22, 2025, 17:39

Long standing laugh between my best mate and I was that we competed against each other in the schools inter house high jump. He did the fosberry (sp) flop and I did the scissors. I ended up beating him to win it and have never let him forget it to this day.

I used to win all the running events up to u13 where I also played on the wing. As the years passed I filled out more and lost the pace of a wing resulting in me moving closer and closer to the scrum eventually ending up at 10 in my second last year but back to 12 in my final year 

 

Jan 22, 2025, 18:04

Brumel died at a young age…his career ended to all intents by a motor cycle accident. I road those things for most of my adult life…in retrospect madness, at the time pure joy,

Jan 22, 2025, 18:17

We all had bikes at school - Yamaha DT 50’s 

Scissors rule Moz 

Jan 22, 2025, 18:42

Oh, he has more on his resume than Moodie? 

I didn't realise.

Jan 22, 2025, 19:05

No not Moodie but more than Hooker, Henco v Wyk, David Kriel, Jordan Hendrikse etc 

Jan 22, 2025, 20:48

I doubt he has more that Hendrikse, considering this is Hendrikse's 4th year. 

I'm gonna get Hendrikse has more tries, more tackles and more meters made.

As for Hooker, David Kriel and v Wyk...they need more years playing franchise rugby and building names for themselves. Same as Jirr-Enzo.

The Boks are not desperate for 13s. But after Manie has proven he's not up to it, there is some urgency to play Hendrikse more and see if he is.

Jan 22, 2025, 21:51

Resume is probably the wrong measure it’s more about pure talent and rugby software where Julius is ahead of Hooker, Henco, Jordan and David Kriel 

We do need a new 13 we can’t go to the next WC with Jessie or Am 

If a player is good enough, youth has nothing to do with it - that applied to Pollard, Willemse, Sacha and Moodie - Julius is as good and the same needs to apply to him

Id select Julius at 13 for the Boks this year without a blink 

Jan 23, 2025, 04:00

No way one could do the Fosbury flop in the pits we jumped into and in any case that came later. So it was either the straddle or the scissors.

Jan 23, 2025, 07:25

Ah, I can finally post.

Looks like Ed is already fixing the problem.

Dave, yes, we know, you want Juloius at 13 and anybody that disagrees is completely ignorant.

Does that about cover it?

Jan 23, 2025, 10:51

No Plum I’m a little concerned that he is too short for centre just like BOD, Aki , Ollie Lawrence, Tim Horan, Henco v Wyk, Danty, Carling and Tuipuloto are/were 

Jan 23, 2025, 11:03

Jan 23, 2025, 11:08

Jan 23, 2025, 14:12

Don’t you diss Carling, Saffolk !! 

Jan 23, 2025, 15:41

Dave,

Do you ever stop to consider what a person is actually saying before you run your mouth?

Arandse and Kolbe are automatic starters, and they're tiny. 

If Willemse does play at 12, he's not exactly a man mountain at 184cm and 96kgs...compared to Esterhuizen who is 193cm and 113kgs. 

When we add the diminutive Julius to that we now have the smallest wingers in the world, a 12 that is small for a 12 and a 13 that is not very big himself. 

This is why in the initial post I said I preferred the picture of Moodie and Hooker/Esterhuizen since it adds some bigger boys, tried and tested by the way, to the backline. 

Honestly, the combination I would probably choose at 12/13 is AE and Hooker. Along with Sacha who is a good size for a 10 and Fassi, that is a nicely balanced backline.

And then I'd probably have Moodie and "maybe" Julius battle it out for 13's understudy.

 

Jan 23, 2025, 20:06

Ok first off you don’t seem able to grasp the reality of the facts here. 

You keep referring to Julius as diminutive and small which is simply not the case - at 96kg and effectively my height there is nothing diminutive about him.

Both Hooker and Moodie are taller but Moodie is lighter at 94kg and Hooker only has 4kg on Julius at 100kg which is relative given his height 

So for a start your argument falls flat saying you want bigger players in Moodie and Hooker at centre 

Willemse is as hard as nails and at 96kg that to is a respectable weight although I suspect he is probably more like 100kg these days. 

Forget Esterhuizen, at 31, we need to be investing in someone new at 12, it’s time to target the new generation of Boks for the next WC

For me rugby is a game defined by patterns of play which are pretty much universal, it’s virtually impossible to come up with anything untried before. Add the influence of a coach and the selection of the players. For me it’s those selections that are the most important component of that equation. Get your selections right and 60% of the battle is won. I don’t buy into players that fit the team vs the best player in their respective positions because as a fan I don’t get to know the personalities of players, whether they fit or not - I can only judge based on performance. Classic case is Mostert - he is not by any stretch one of the better locks in the country but he fits as a team player. On the other hand I guess the likes of the du Preez twins don’t fit despite the performances they produce for Sale week after week.

So given I’m not privy to anything other than what I see with respect to performance, for me it’s about getting the best 15 on the field backed up by the next best 8 on the bench.

Looking forward, our best younger backs are Fassi, Arendse, Moodie, Julius, Willemse, Sacha and Williams 

Followed closely by Jordan Hendrikse, Green, Tambwe, Edwill vd Merwe, Zas, Henco v Wyk, Hooker, David Kriel, Libbok, Jayden Hendrikse, Nohamba and vd Bergh 

So if I’m to get my best backs starting then the obvious selection is 15. Fassi 14. Moodie 13. Julius 12. Willemse 11. Arendse 10. Sacha 9. Williams 

That combination is rugby salivation. Obviously Willemse is not a DA or AE but we don’t have one coming through at 110kg so by selecting Willemse at 12 we are forced to be more creative at 12 which he thrives on. So instead of predominantly taking it up he would look to attack space - whether it’s possible at test level, only time will tell but Willemse is the perfect candidate to give it a shot - with the help of Sacha inside him 

That is the backline I want to see - I don’t want to see Willemse at 15 meaning Fassi is then excluded. 

For me Julius is the real deal at 13, he just oozes class and clout. I expect things to happen as soon as the ball is in his hands - the same applies to Sacha, Willemse, Arendse, Moodie and Fassi 

 

 

Jan 23, 2025, 20:38

". I don’t buy into players that fit the team vs the best player in their respective positions because as a fan I don’t get to know the personalities of players, whether they fit or not - I can only judge based on performance."


Well then you believe in a selection strategy that is diametrically opposed to how Rassie selects his team. He literally selects based on gameplan not simply who is the best player in a particular position.

And you can talk about electrifying backline all you want, but Rassie is defence orientated. That's his baseline. 

So we can pick a Stormers type line, full of pace and skill, but look at what has been happening to the Stormers and Sharks with all their skill and creativity? They have been getting murdered by semi decent teams.

Do you think Rassie doesn't see that?

And let's also get some perspective here. Willemse is a racehorse, not a carthorse. If AE is gone, then I'm playing Hooker at 12...and probably Willemse at 13 ahead of all the younger guys. 

It's a crying shame to play Willemse at 12. If Rassie shoves him in the 12 jersey and demands a DDA type job from him...it'll be a straight up travesty.

Jan 23, 2025, 20:46

I'll just remind you, Dave...there is plenty of time Julius to prove himself. 

There are other extremely gifted players ahead of him in the queue. Guys that paid their dues and have been kept in the Bok setup for a reason. 

Moodie, Willemse, Fassie and Williams have thrived. Sacha is a complete one-off. He is so exceptional that it's unfair to bring him into it unless we are discussing generational players.


You think the Julius is somewhere between exceptional and generational. I think he might be. You think you've seen enough, I don't think I have.

But I have seen enough of the above players to know what I think of them and that Julius needs to get in line.

And I think Rassie and myself are on similar pages in that regard.

Jan 23, 2025, 21:32

Like I said I can’t base a selection on whether a player fits or not as I don’t know the players personally 

I base my selections purely on ability as that’s all I have to work with

As I said, if Willemse plays 12 then he plays his game not the DA or AE crash and bash game

I disagree that Rassie is defence oriented, he has always mixed it well with attack, even more so now with Brown on board 

For the Sharks and Stormers, we never see all these gifted players playing together or playing in their correct positions. 

We have not seen much of Willemse, Sacha and now Fassi. Too often we have seen Hooker wasted on the wing, while Plum persists with hasbeen Frans Venter at 12. We have seen Sacha misused at 12, useless Jake relegated the gifted Moodie to the bench last week after wasting him on the wing the week before 

Willemse as my Bok 12, attacks space not contact 

As for Julius I honestly think he is that special, up there with Sacha - in terms of sheer creativity and clout he is ahead of Hooker, Henco v Wyk and David Kriel in my books 

At least the Sharks are playing Hooker at 12 and Julius at 13 this weekend against Cardiff - looking forward to that - recorded on VHS of course :)

Jan 24, 2025, 05:54

Hooker is a natural 12 for me. Let's see how that 12/13 combo goes.

 

I still can't believe that hit DDP made on AE to injure him. You make a hit like that, on a Bok's knee, knowing you could end his career...disgusting. I used to like DDP but now I just want him to be smashed. 


Something that intentional should see a player banned for 3 months as far as I'm concerned.

 

i truly hope AE gets his revenge...sevenfold 

Jan 24, 2025, 06:57

Wasn't DdP...J-LdP ? ...I still need to have a look at that.

Jan 24, 2025, 07:06

Sorry, it was Jean-Luc

Most scumbag hit I've seen in years. Totally dangerous and could literally have ended AE's career. And he knew exactly what he was doing...he actually planned it.

Jan 24, 2025, 07:25

Henco van Wyk is just as good as Julius….then David Kriel or Rickus Pretorius is a better option at 12 than Willemse.

Willemse can also play 12 but under a different gameplan.

Van Wyk, Julius, Hooker, Pretorius and Kriel still needs to be invited to Bok Camp and selected.

Then we can see if they any good playing at Bok level.

Jan 24, 2025, 10:40

Bullshit Julius is better than v Wyk has a far better skill set 

Willemse’s best position is 12 and therefore given how good he is, he is better than any other young candidate in that position - hands down 

Jan 24, 2025, 10:46

Agree on both counts, Saffex.

Jan 24, 2025, 10:50

Julius is good, but Nonsense that he is better!!

Jan 24, 2025, 10:52

" Junior Springboks

2021

In 2021, van Wyk was selected for the South African U20 team (the Junior Springboks) for the International U20 series, where South Africa competed against Argentina, Georgia, and Uruguay. The Junior Springboks won the series, with van Wyk playing a pivotal role and being named the Junior Springbok Player of the Year. "

Jan 24, 2025, 10:55

I agree with you Saffex, we have such good talent in the back at the moment, but they are all very young. So we really need to make sure we get them exposed to bok culture and hopefully a couple of test. We see how well the likes of Eben, kolisi, De Allende, Pieter Steph, Kriel etc are doing. They all started back in 2012 / 13 and made the 2015 World Cup. Can't believe 10 years has passed. 

I think Rassie has a plan and as long as we can look after these guys over the next 10 years, our rugby will be a in a good place. 

But I won't rush all of them right now. I think Sasha needs a big snot klap to get him to be a bit grounded. To me he is a bit windgat. 

But I'm excited about our backline. Only question I have is at 9. Grant Williams is already 27 and a late bloomer. Don't see any real youngsters coming through at 9. Van Den Berg had a shot but blew it for the boks. 

Van Den Berg, Sasha, Moodie, Hooker, Julius, Fassi, Kriel. What a back line. 

Hope Rassie can get these boys to play together for the Bok A team. That would be amazing. 

Then we can get them time together and gradually get them into the bok setup

Jan 24, 2025, 10:56

Mpower that’s because you don’t know your rugby. I’m telling you now Julius is a better all round player than Henco 

You will never see subtle touches from Henco, he does not have the hands or rugby software 

Henco = Jessie Kriel 

Julius = Am

 

Jan 24, 2025, 11:00

Willemse is clearly not seen as a shoe in, inside centre by Erasmus. 

Rassie has been clear where he prefers Willemse and that is Full Back.

That is also the position where he has played his best Rugby for the Boks.

Jan 24, 2025, 12:12

Willemse is my Bok 15...next level...Fassie can't do this:

Jan 24, 2025, 12:36

Bullshit has Rassie been clear where he wants Willemse - where he has played him to date has been dictated by the fact that he has de Allende as his established 12. DA is 33 now, so things have to change at 12.

Given how good Fassi has been at 15, there is a good chance Rassie will be thinking of Willemse at 12, especially considering he does not have a like for like 12 coming through. Esterhuizen at 31 is hardly the future 

We need to see Willemse at 12 and Fassi at 15. Both need to be in the starting 15 

Jan 24, 2025, 13:14

Well a substantial portion of his recent Test appearances were at fullback. 

This is a strong indicator of where Rassie has preferred him as of late, before his injury.

He  is a attacking full back with the ability to create well for the Bok Backline.

As seen his cover defence is  very good to. But because he is so talented, he would also be able to play 12.

By all means play him at  12  and try it out…. It does make sense that Fassi will then also start.

lets see what Rassie does this season….

Jan 24, 2025, 14:15

"Willemse is my Bok 15...next level...Fassie can't do this:"

That was great heart by Willemse.

Habana was 10.4 over 100m. I'm sure Fassi is right about there too...perhaps 10.5

Does anybody know his time? I've searched but can't find it anywhere. 

Jan 24, 2025, 14:30

No chance I'm not starting Fassi and Willemse. I don't care where they play, but they WILL both start in any important game if I'm selecting the team.

If I were to make an argument for Willemse at 12 it would that I want him to get as much ball as possible. 

It's not a bad shout really, since the Boks seem to have an embarrassing amount of forward dominance most of the time. Perhaps not having a flanker at 12 won't tip the scales too much and indeed a playmaker there might be the way to go.

Fassi delivers, every single time he's on the field he makes it happen. He's been shit hot this season too. Always making a huge impact, always dangerous and damn reliable under pressure. I know that anybody that has been watching the Sharks this season agrees. 

Jan 24, 2025, 16:21

Fassie is fantastic,  but IMHO, DW is a way better fullback.

Jan 24, 2025, 16:31

Way better?

Geez, Draad! I didn't think there was a bigger Willemse fan here than me haha

Apparently, I was very wrong

Jan 24, 2025, 16:52

Plum, show me a Fassie clip remotely similar...Willemse wasn't alwais my favorite,  but he has improved exponentially over the last 6 years!!!

Jan 24, 2025, 17:05

For now until otherwise announced, DDA will start at 12.

The Question will be, who will Rassie pick at 15 with a fit DW and Fassi??

 

Jan 24, 2025, 17:51

Draad...

Him chasing down juiced Dyanti.

Jan 24, 2025, 18:03

Not bad, but not close either.

 

Jan 24, 2025, 18:39

Haha it's a weird thing Draad, cos all it takes pace.

So what are you holding in high regard in this? The heart, the pace...the timing of the tackle?

Jan 24, 2025, 19:18

Um Mpower what part of Rassie mostly playing Willemse at 15 is because he has de Allende at 12 and Pollard/ Libbok and Sacha at 10 are you not comprehending 

That has nothing to do with Rassie’s preference of playing him at 15

Willemse is class and his only options are 12 or 15 as he is not a 10, plus we have Sacha there 

We now have Fassi at 15, so that leaves 12 - there is going to be an opening there given the age of de Allende and Willemse is the obvious choice here 

 

 
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