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Jul 07, 2024, 03:53

woeful, they need to go with immediate effect. Kolisi, not a fan of his had a good game, I daresay his best ever. Pollard was ordinary. Just one that the best we're going to get out of the current centre pairing? 

Now sit back and relax as we await the bombardment of stats to prove me wrong hahahaha

Jul 07, 2024, 04:12

I guess that’s meant for me. Thanks. Kwagga never had a good game today. I doubt his supporters would contest that, but he improved as the game went on. Mostert was his usual self. Unfortunately I can’t  oblige you on the stats as ESPN don’t appear to have the rights for these tests.


Jul 07, 2024, 04:20

Following the Springboks’ 27-20 victory over Ireland at Loftus Versfeld, here is how we rated Rassie Erasmus’ charges.

Springboks player ratings v Ireland

15 Willie le Roux: Combined well with Handre Pollard on attack and was safe at the back for the Springboks. The attack looked far more fluid than it did against Wales and much of that success is down to Le Roux’s presence. 7

14 Cheslin Kolbe: He chased lost causes against France to make a crucial charge down and was rewarded again today with his try off the back of James Lowe’s error. He just never stopped and produced in a big Test yet again, which is a growing trend in his international career. 8

13 Jesse Kriel: Yet another brilliant display from the sensational centre in all facets of the game. He spread the ball well and made excellent decisions on attack while being sharp as always on defence. Another masterclass. 9

12 Damian de Allende: Powerful in the tight exchanges and showed his brute strength again, shrugging off Peter O’Mahony twice in a matter of seconds. Defensively sharp and was often used a good dummy runner. 7

11 Kurt-Lee Arendse: Got the Springboks off to the perfect start with a brilliant step past Jamie Osborne and was a real threat whenever he touched the ball. He defended reasonably well and his yellow card did put the Boks under pressure but he was simply the last to concede and paid the price. 7

10 Handré Pollard: Given a new lease with Tony Brown’s attack, and while his accuracy off the tee wasn’t great by his lofty standards, he made up for it with his game management and threat on the gainline. He kicked well out of hand, too. 6

9 Faf de Klerk: The Springboks scrum-half was given a hard time by the Irish defence, who looked to spoil and disrupt his services throughout his shift. He did manage to deal with it rather well on the whole and milked a penalty or two. 5


8 Kwagga Smith: The brilliant back-rower had his issues under the high ball early on, but after shaking those off, he shone in all facets of the game, which is rather standard for him. He racked up over 30 metres with his carries and pestered the breakdown. 7

7 Pieter-Steph du Toit: Another beneficiary of Brown’s new attacking system. Du Toit produced another stunning all-action display. He made life hell for the Irish lineout, but even more so for the attack with his trademark heavy hits. He carried the ball superbly in the extremities and made great decisions in those situations, too. Powerful performance. 8

6 Siya Kolisi (c): He was certainly not ‘transparent’ today as the Springboks captain put in a mighty shift with and without the ball. He brutally shoved Robbie Henshaw to the ground and shone in the wider channels. As usual, he was excellent at the breakdown, too. 7

5 Franco Mostert: Every Mostert Test match is pretty much the same as he charges around the pitch, thundering into tackles topping the count before he left the pitch. He ran the lineout well, too. 7

4 Eben Etzebeth: Pestered Craig Casey’s box kicks, which is a standard for the towering second-rower. He was solid in the lineouts and impressed with his new distributing role in Brown’s attack. Not quite a box-office performance but another strong one. 6

3 Frans Malherbe: The world-class tighthead was put under pressure in the scrums by Andrew Porter but he did enough to stay on the right side of the whistle for the most part. Like his fellow front-rowers, he was accurate on defence and had some nice strong carries. 5

2 Bongi Mbonambi: Abrasive as ever in contact and rather accurate in the lineouts. He added some nice touches to the new attacking system, too. 6

1 Ox Nche: Like Malherbe, he was not as dominant in the scrums as he would have liked but he held his own and some against Tadhg Furlong. Landed some crunching hits on defence and had some nice carries. 5

Replacements: Erasmus rolled the dice by throwing all six of his ‘Bomb Squad’ forwards on in one swoop and was justly rewarded. There was little separating these two sides today, and ultimately, the bench made the difference, literally blowing Ireland off the park with the last scrum. 9

READ MORE: All Blacks v England: Five takeaways from New Zealand’s ‘unusual display’ as ‘three areas’ prove the difference

Planet Rugby player ratings key 10 - Career defining performance 9 - Outright blockbuster effort 8 - Significantly influenced the result of the game 7 - Committed and effective outing 6 - Flashes of brilliance outside of executing fundamentals 5 - Fulfilling the role required by position (base level) 4 - Poor execution of fundamentals 3 - Costly errors and/or discipline in the game 2 - Poor performance that directly impacted the result 1 - Grossly ineffective throughout 0 - Should have carried water instead

Jul 07, 2024, 04:26

5 – Franco Mostert – 8
Left the field on 50 minutes with the most tackles for his side (twelve at the time). Stood up in a half where the Boks’ defence was pushed by the visitors.


Jul 07, 2024, 04:37

From Rugby 365:

8 Kwagga Smith
After a horror start – with poor hands after restarts and also conceding a penalty – he worked his way back into the game and redeemed himself. He produced a team-high 12 carries, beat four defenders, and completed nine tackles There was a vital try-saving defensive effort on his goalline late in the game.

5 Franco Mostert
As always, he did most of his hard work in the close exchanges – making the second-most (12) tackles by the Boks. Won some important line-outs.

Jul 07, 2024, 04:41

So I guess we could do a bit of stats. 12 tackles in 50 minutes equals 19 tackles for the game. Impressive for a lock.

Jul 07, 2024, 04:54

You are happy with Mostert - but his comtronution of twelve weak tack procesxsx tackles with zero contribution in tight 5 play means he was useless as per normal.      

Jul 07, 2024, 05:06

I don't believe that you're not on drugs ................. the consumption might be accidental, but please take care .:ermm:

Jul 07, 2024, 07:34

Mike just check your posts. I find total nonsense coming up if you make a single error or don't space. 

Kwagga must not start. Roos is the man. 

I am hoping Sascha starts next match along with Edwil in place of Arendse. 

Malherbe'performance was sub per. 

Marx looked better which is good news. 

Eben was quiet by his standards. 

Kolisi had a good game as did Van Staden when he came on. 

Thought the refs were competent and tried to come to the right decision. 

It was a ragged performance at times with too many errors. First game for a whole so not unexpected. 

Jul 07, 2024, 09:34

Uncle Mike, use Chat GPT to type for you….we want to read your post, but can’t really get your full story…..Franco as always dependable and took all his line out ball….Defence was solid as always….Kwagga had a bad start but improved tremendously as the game went on…a lot of our problems will be solved if we just don’t rush our moves like that….credit to Rassie for embracing Brown,s attack and to Brown off course….such little time, and so much improvement already…..I mean we ran so much with ball in hand, that I needed to pinch myself to actually realise it…. And the best part is, we can only get better…’s very important that we do keep our original strengths intact….defence, Forward power, protecting our possession and driving Mauls….Lekke Bokke we are going forward.

Jul 07, 2024, 09:36

Looks like a low-born slut has hacked ou Maaik's password again . . .

Jul 07, 2024, 09:57


Lets get it straight - Mostert is a show pony and his conmtribution in mauls and in ball protection and recovery is where both him and Kwagga failed.   They are just push back abd there is where at least two tuurnovers in posssession took place and at least twqo penalties were conceeded by the Springboks.

I think Erasmus and his coaching team use an advanced computerf analysis program indiccating the real perform,ancxews of every player on the field and make adjustments to the teams.   This process wsas and remains a proper performanc e assessment program developed abouta decade ago.   It is interesting that the cojke specialist wsrote in an article that both Meyer and Coetzee had the program available - but wsas never used by them when it came to player evaluation and sedlection of players.

The result was the obvious failure of the Springboks in he period late 2014 up to the end of the 2017 season.   It is also interesting that the wo coaches fcailed totally when they coached their French and Japanese clubs and in the proccess were fired because hey were driving  two top clubs towards  downgfrading to second tier clubs. 

On thiss site therfe are only basic stats availabe and used to sutify negative rugbny by top pl;ayers and fr enahcnement of deficient players despite all-round dewficiencies during gfames.   

I expect a few changes to the team for the test next week and think the following is likely:-

*     Le Roux will be put on the Bench and replacedd by Fassi;

*     Pollard will be replaced by Feinberg-Ngomezulu;

*     De Klerk will be replaced by Williams

*     Smith will be replaced by Roos;  and 

there may be changes made on the bench iro Tight 5 players and som sraztefs yesterdxaymay be moved to the bench and vice vesa.



Jul 07, 2024, 12:04

"Lets get it straight - Mostert is a show pony..."


If you think Mostert is a "show pony" the my only advice is that you stop buying animals from backyard breeders.

My word, Mike, Mostert is polar opposite.

If you want a better example of a show pony, have a gander at DDA.

Jul 07, 2024, 12:11

If you want a better example of a show pony, have a gander at DDA Hend-Ducks

Laughing graphics

Jul 07, 2024, 12:16

Denise often find herself behind men on their knees...with her tongue out...

Jul 07, 2024, 13:04

Denny Mostert is alwsys shit - we have followers here that are sold by all the heart and energy and all those process tackles - the measure of a true Bok lock.

RG was a breath of fresh air with those runs and offloads

As for Kwagga - he is not an 8 never will be one and has never impressed as a starter - his value is off the bench

Jul 07, 2024, 13:17

Dave, I don't giving a flying fart what the stats say about Kwagga, he bombed, which against a better team would have cost the Boks but besides that his runs were ineffective. Have a look at the AB game which was played at a ferocious pace and guess what.......not once did they make any schoolboy errors.

Mostert is Albert van der Berg in reverse gear. 

Jul 07, 2024, 13:26

They are just push back abd there is where at least two tuurnovers in posssession took place and at least twqo penalties were conceeded by the Springboks.

So between Kwagga and Mostert they were pushed back four times which resulted in two turnovers and two penalties? When was this?

I can point you to a clear turnover from being tackled back - DDA at 37:16
I can point you to a clear turnover on RG, Mostert's replacement -  52:39

Give me one of yours.

Jul 07, 2024, 14:02

Whahaha fat chance.

Jirr,'s like this is your first time here.

There will be no evidence. There will be no fact. There will be no video and there will be no logic.

There will be plenty chest pounding ...but..."evidence"? You've got to be kidding.

If you want facts and evidence go to Reddit.

This is La La Land for shit sakes.

Jul 07, 2024, 14:09

Sometimes it's just fun putting a magnifying glass on this bullshit.

Jul 07, 2024, 14:51

They never respond…ignore the fact that they have been exposed. And then repeat the same discredited garbage. 

As for the AB game….one of the AB posters was on here admitting the Bok game was a more intense contest. No clue about rugby…. About anything really.

Jul 07, 2024, 15:11

Ok clowns here is your challenge on the wonderful Mostert - given the guy has been wasting our time playing for the Boks as long as he has and therefore in all that time there must be examples of imposing himself physically with ball in hand, a dominant clean out and a dominant tackle

Given how long he has been playing there must be at least 5 examples of each - he is a Bok lock after all

Good luck with that - failing which do me a favour and shut up about how good Mostert is - he is fucking useless.

All he can do is make tackles like a 10 year old and take his line out ball. He is a fucking Bok lock for crying out loud - show me examples of the physical grunt

I’m telling you now add a real lock to the Bok equation and we automatically become more of a physical force. Add RG to our starting side and it improves

Any one who disagrees with this is fucking rugby ignorant

Mostert yesterday proved what a limp wrist he is

Rassie’s only fuck up is investing in this complete pretender

When has Mostert ever made an impression in any of the tests he as ever played in?

Jul 07, 2024, 15:52

Yes he has, but you to bias to notice it…Video evidence have been put on here more than once by Blob for example, that shows his worth but you guys blatantly ignore it….go and look at the game again, the full game is on here, from the start it’s obvious how Franco was making try saving tackles all the time…he tackles they stop dead in there tracks….everybody including the real professionals praise his worth and then you guys and you especially, wants to make us believe you guys are right?? Get real man even Rassie himself keeps on picking him and we keep on winning with him …so good luck trying to convince anybody….RG is a real good lock, but he could not take his line out ball cleanly yesterday and he was also not so convincing on defence yesterday as Mostert was…..he did manage to give the smallest Irish player a concussion though…. Hooray …besides that, if you start RG to much and put a heavy load on his body, he will break again….Mostert is durable as Fuck!! ….so you guys are the ones that should shut up and give us concrete Video proof that Mostert is so useless…..Good Luck : )

Jul 07, 2024, 16:09

Mozart is a wierdo when it comesd to asage of superfocial stats and he alwaays praised Mostert for his perfomances and attack Du Toit - so let us look at one issue Mpozart never mentioned:-

Du Toit played for the Springboks in 77 tests and scored 8 tries

Mstert  played for the Springboks in 72 tests and scored 3 tries

Why is there such a bif difference in tryscoring?   The answer is phisical strfen]gth to force through  traffic to score tries - Du Toit does have that required strength.



Jul 07, 2024, 16:27

Mpower show me the evidence you stupid prick - talk is cheap

Man up or shut up

There is no way powder puff has ever imposed himself physically

Fuck me just look at him - that feeble frame, narrow shoulders and zero muscle

He always looks like a kid in the team photos

Now provide the evidence or do us a favour and shut your ignorant gob

Jul 07, 2024, 16:46

Okay let’s go as far back as yesterday.

Minute 0.05 Mostert plucks the kickoff perfectly out of the air.

Minute 00.34 Kwagga strips the Irish runner and we get the ball…worth 30 metres

Minute 1.01….Dud Toit is brought down by the first tackler, Porter is over the ball Mostert drives in, lifts him and deposits him  on the Irish side

Minute 1.22 Mostert, seconds later, protects the exposed Bok holding back the Irish

Minute2.00  Moster bounces the Irish seven backwards

Minute 4.27 Kwagga drops the kickoff, Mostert is quickly across to console him….leadership from an integral part of the team.

Minute 5.02…….this is crucial for your understanding. Bundi has powered forward in the Dud tackle. Ireland get a few quick phases, probably because we can’t contest on the deck, Mostert has already made one tackle, but peals around

It’s 5  metres from our line. The Irish fullback gets the ball and sets off…if he gets it to Lowe he has 20 metres of space in which to work. Arendse sees the danger and comes in….Lowe is open for the pass.

It never comes Mostert cuts down the Osborne 
so cleanly he can’t even attempt the pass…..try saver!

Minute 5.15 watch Dud Allende being driven back in the tackle yet again….this clinging tackler isn’t the power defender you claim Dave.

Minute 5.20 Dud and Ox repel an Irishman on the line

Minute 8.36 Kwagga rescues our disintegrating scrum near our line, smartly getting the ball to Arendse for a great kick.

Minute9.35 Supeb Mostert lineout take and quick feed

Minute 10.35 misses another kick.

Minute 11.25 Dud Allende gets driven 10 metres back in the tackle, Irish dominance leads to a penalty.

Minute 13.30 Kolisi explodes through Henshaw….he is at his best in open field running.

Minute 16.02 Faf throws a long pass which bounces awkwardly in front of Kwagga, he picks it up cleanly, Mostert protects the ball….Boks get a penalty for not rolling, it could so easily have been a scrum to Ireland. Three points to the Boks

Minute 17.4 Kwagga takes the kickoff to ironic cheers….the crowd never saw the value of the half volley pick up.

Minute 19.21 Ireland kick high, Malherbe recovers….Mostert reads the play moves in to take the ball swivels and feeds Pollard in one move. Quick thinking and vision he demonstrates all the time.

Minute 20.44 A backline from a scrum goes 3/4 the way across the field Arendse is tackled. Who is there to take the first phase Mostert, from the heart of the scrum, he powers 2 meters forward through the tackle.

Minute 22.31 The vaunted Dud power run in which he bounces off 3 Irish tacklers while actually standing still…he is not running..,makes a net 3 metres and changes nothing. A typical Dud contribution.


That’s a quarter of the game. Check it out and learn

Jul 07, 2024, 16:48

Go look at the game again that is enough evidence : ) pls note you have to take your eyes out your arsehole, otherwise you won’t see jack shit : )

Jul 07, 2024, 17:17

Evidence of what exactly Mpower or are you lying?

Jul 07, 2024, 17:24

Minute 26.10 Arendse bounces off bigger man Lowe…this kid may be the most complete footballer in the game today….the try he scored with a feint of the outside gap and then step inside was as aesthetic a piece of rugby you will ever see.

Minute 26.20 Mostert gets a difficult high ball controls and powers forward, but Ireland has numbers…turnover. Kriel disrupts and Ireland kick out directly.

Minute 29.35 Kwagga takes the kickoff…breaks the first tackle

Minute  34.05 Mostert low on Doris who steps out of his tackle but is effectively stopped.

Minute 34.42 Mostert stops Doris and drives him back…..learn Dave, learn.

Minute 35.00 the try by Osborne …an understandable mistake by Kriel , he fully commits to driving Lowe out ….but Lowe was going out anyway, he needed to protect the pass….a case where less would have been more.

Minute 37.07 Brilliant  take by Mostert at the back of the lineout setting up the maul.

Minute 37.30 Dud Allende gets the resulting excellent ball….tries to tractor and he’s held up. Irish ball…30 metres lost. Mostert powers through the resulting maul but Ireland hang on.

Minute 38.20 Mostert by himself  drives through the Irish ruck….Bok penalty. Pollard misses barely.


Minute 30 Kwagga takes the kickoff and beats a tackle in a strong run.


Halftime and plenty of material for your education Dave. 

Jul 07, 2024, 17:43


Mike makes the effort to come back on and deliver another post...but fails to answer the simple question Pakie posed.

Saffex makes a far more complex request than Pakie did, and Moz delivers in great detail.

Guys, are we seeing the problem here?

...and you already know what Dave's response is gonna be....

Bullshit Moz, Mostert is a...(inserts an unvalidated opinion here), completely ignores the evidence he asked for.

...and Mike will never respond to Pakie's request.

It's almost pointless having discussions with these chaps.

Jul 07, 2024, 17:53

So many examples of Mostert first at the breakdown to clean out and secure. Effective, productive work.

But no, Dave wants to see bodies fly. Like DDA swatting off three Irishmen while standing still. So powerful, but what does it get you? One extra meter at half the speed of an unlubed snail. Entertainment for the brainless.

Jul 07, 2024, 18:02

Defensive play of the game….Mostert makes the tackle on our line on the open side. Leaps up….checks the field instantaneously sprints to the blindside and cuts dow Osborne so cleanly he can’t make the pass to Lowe for a probable try.

It demonstrates….full engagement, rugby smarts and the physical capability to execute.

Jul 07, 2024, 21:42

Moz not a single dominant tackle, not a single dominant run in contact, not a single dominant clean out

There is no education on Mostert at all - he adds zero physicality and that’s a fact

You lot need the education

I can have all of what Mostert does from another lock like RG or Jenkins or Ruben v Heerden with the bonus of providing some physical grunt - the minimum prerequisite for a Bok lock unless your name was Victor.

But to Victors credit he had more grunt than powder puff

Jul 08, 2024, 00:22

Well the Genius clearly sides with us ‘lot’ and provable match contributions rather than the ‘physicality’ which produces a whole lot less.

Jul 08, 2024, 01:12

If anybody believes Mzart version of what  happened durfing amtches then it i.s high time to conmsult a shrink - Mzart inaccuracxy about what happened during matches is based on prejudice and h as nothing  to do with what acually h appened during  matches.   He mentioned when Mostert caught a bal from kick-in as a grfeat achievement - but if h e does nto catch that ball it would be a ngative not a gfreat achevement.   He mentioned that Mosdtert pushed off a Irish player threatening  a takeover - but he does not mention who the Irish player was - as far as I remember that incident the player was the Irsish scrummie.   

He mentioned how Du Toit carried the ball in one incident - but never where he carrfied the ball fo morew than 30 meters and off-loaded the ball very well for what  was in excess of 20 meters and he made a very good off-load it to Kolbe and was there to protect the ball if Kolbe was tackled.  Not ewrth mentioning  at all.   

Mosterft always was a poor tackler in open field play.    I know ocfp at elast cxases where tries  were scored by players ran stright through Mostert's poor defense and tries were scored.   .    .      

Jul 08, 2024, 02:18

WC tackles….but in reading this remember he played less than some on the list. For example Dud Toit played 400 minutes to Mostert’s 323. So in 323 minutes Mostert made 73 tackles. In 400 minutes he would have made 90 tackles to Dud’s 66. So who was the tackling machine at the WC?

I doubt there is a significant tackler who made more tackles per minute played. ‘Poor defense’….another completely unsupported comment from the ANC member.

Marcos Kremer

Jul 08, 2024, 10:13

Yeah until Lood returns - the sooner the better if Rassie’s brain fart continues with him not starting RG ahead of powder puff

RG is twice the player

Jul 08, 2024, 15:41

It appears that the only hope for Mosters player qualities to be seen and respected by some would be for him to sign up and play for the Stormers.

Agree with the posting from Mozart on Mostert's plays in the last test.

An outstanding player and Springbok lock.


Jul 08, 2024, 17:19

Big fucking YAWN

Jul 08, 2024, 17:20

You would think that having been directed to Mostert’s contributions, some of which were outstanding the tawdry refrain would change….but I guess they can’t move from ‘woeful’.

Jul 08, 2024, 17:44

I’ve watched the test for a second time and there is not one single thing Mostert did that stood out

He is a bog ordinary player that falls way way short in the physical stakes

He is an insult of a Bok lock

Jul 08, 2024, 18:25


How many tries did Mostert score in the 72 matches  he played fcr the Springboks?    It was 3.  Lood de Jager played  for trhe Springboks in  56 mtaches and scored 5 triesd.   Why did Mostert  not score more  tries in matches he played in?

Let me tell you the difference - Mostert does not have the physical strength to force his way over the tryline.     I will give you an example.  There was a loose scrum hree metfers out from the Aussier tryline and De Jager got the ball and force his way overr the tryline and sdcored a try.   In another test against the ssame tream the ball got to Mostert under similar circumnsatnces and he was carried back by the Aussies for ten meters ansd trhen they took the ball from him,.   Huge difference just illustrating the comparartive physical strength between the two players,  

With regard to tackle stats  it is not  only the number of tackles that count - it is also the quality of the tackles that is important,  In the case of Mostert I have never sen Mostert making a strong tackle forcing the ball carfrfier backwards - his tackles  are always weak - an example wsas that famous 5 minutes the English team was attacking in the final in 2019 .   In one partcular tackle  the player went foward and Mostert lost hold of the carrier's  legs and it was Malherbe who stopped the scoring of an English try.

In the case of Mostert tackling people in traffic he always neededf help from another player to really bring the carrier down - in open field play he just missed the tackles and that has happened c;learly in two tests - one againswt the AB's in the 2019 WC and in 2019 against Argentina as well.    After the debacle against the AB's Mostert was dropped from the Springbok starting  line up in crucial tests for exactly missing a routine tackle.   So be careful about just missing really important tackles in the Mosdtfewrt mode.

If we really want to play attacking rugby we need strength in the Tight 5 to prevent the opposition loosies from spreading out to help in defense and .Mostert's physical defciency  prevents that from happening.    

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Jul 08, 2024, 18:29

I suppose we should be impressed by all those process tackles he makes - the real measure of a Bok lock

It’s not that grunt we measure them by - you know that grunt that saw Eben forcing his way over the try line against France and RG doing the same against England

Jul 08, 2024, 18:42

Oh I guess  the same reason Etzebeth scored 6 tries in 121 tests. Is he also lacking in grunt?


Jul 08, 2024, 19:36

No response…..choking on their egg I’d imagine.

Jul 08, 2024, 20:04

The measure of a lock is not the number of tries scored it’s about being able to impose themselves physically

Eben’s try just happens to be the perfect example of a real lock being able to do just that

Scccchplottttt my arse - try again

Problem is - powder puff is only going to give you examples of nice little low tackles - bless him and of course taking his line out ball just like any test lock does

I love the way you try build him up with all this rugby intelligence crap. I’ll give him this he probably has more rugby intelligence than Wiese

Mostert is a nothing - heart, energy, and durability but zero physical productivity. Fact

Jul 08, 2024, 20:28

Well tries scored is exactly Clever’s  argument as to why Mostert is a supposed failure. To which you respond….grunt saw Eben force his way over the line….nothing there about tries not being a valid measure, more of an example supporting Clever’s moronic argument.

So you think Clever’s argument is stupid….and your argument is repeated use of the word ‘fact’. Got it.

Jul 08, 2024, 20:59

I never read Mike’s post I’m just saying Eben’s try was the perfect example of him imposing himself physically as was the case of RG - it had nothing to do with skill, timing or great lines - just two big guys using their bulk to score

It would be impossible for Mostert to score those same tries and therein lies my issue with Mostert

You clearly have different measures for a test lock, for me there is no concession when it comes to the primary function of a tight forward especially locks and props and thst is physicality and bulk. If a player does not have that he does not get a look in, in my side. It’s why Ruan Nortje of the Bulls never gets my vote. He is another Mostert but a better rugby player

These big physical guys like Eben, Lood, RG, Kitshoff, Ox, Malherbe, Thomas, Marx, PSDT etc also all happen to have plenty of skill which makes them top flight test players

Let’s take the physical element out of the Mostert equation - is he a great athlete with wonderful skills, great touches etc? No he is not, not even close. You would think that with that lack of grunt he might be a great athlete and ball player - something that compensates for the lack of grunt, but no - I have never seen him make me stand up and think wow great break by the guy.

Something along the lines of PSDT’s run down the touchline on Saturday and popping a one handed pass to Kolbe. I’d expect to see that kind of stuff from the lighter Mostert.

What do we see - we see he is always on the go and we see plenty of tackles - never dominant ones. So what’s the attraction. I just don’t get it and never will

Jul 08, 2024, 21:13

Let’s leave it at that….you just don’t get it. Every coach including Erasmus does. Bakkies does:

 The 26-year-old Lions lock, who made his Springboks debut last year, has been a devastating weapon for Johan Ackermann's team.

Mostert, only 1.98m tall compared with Whitelock's 2.03m, has secured 16 lineout steals this season, more than twice as many as the next best player, Stephan Lewies from the Sharks.

Crusaders No8 Kieran Read is the Crusaders' best operator in this area, winning six steals which puts him seventh on the list.

Both Mostert, described recently by former Boks legend Bakkies Botha as the best lock in South Africa, and Read won two steals in their 
respective semifinals last weekend, the South African against the Hurricanes at Ellis Park when the visitors were in good attacking positions.

Jul 08, 2024, 21:15

So we have Victor saying Lomp is the best and Bakkies saying Mostert is the best. But Lomp’s always hurt, so Mostert it is. I think Bakkies is in a good position to judge physicality, don’t you.

Jul 08, 2024, 21:43

So make t easxy o  Bakkies was always the number 4 Lock and Matfiekld  a numbe 5 lock,     The discussion being about who is best suited to play at numer 5,   So who would  be best  informed as to requirements e4xoected from a number 5 lock?   Bakkies or Matfield?   Taking  that into account I think Matfield is correct in his commentrs,   

Jul 08, 2024, 21:50

I somehow doubt Bakkies was referring to the 26 year old Mostert’s physicality

Mostert as a youngster for the Lions showed promise - I used to rate him

His problem was that instead of bulking up in order to make a physical impact at test level he chose to remain a scrawny player

Kolbe, Arendse, Edwil vd Merwe all bulked up as they knew they needed to in order to be successful at test level

Rassie prefers Lood to Mostert and he must surely prefer RG but is biding his time with RG given his rugby non activity for so long

So while I think Rassie has fucked up with his call on Mostert it’s not a complete fuck up as he realised the bulkier Lood was a better option and let’s face it RG is bigger and better than Lood

Jul 08, 2024, 22:45

Yeah Dave what does Bakkies know about the lock position or rugby compared to you with all your experience.

These ex international Springbok players need to listen to you.

You rave about Erasmus on this site and he continues to select Mostert so let me guess who knows who the better lock is.


Jul 08, 2024, 23:21

Listen here you twit - Bakkies was talking about a 26 year old Mostert playing for the Lions - he looked a good prospect back then

Which is what I acknowledged, that was fucking 8 years ago

If Bakkies had said that about the current Mostert as a Bok I’d say he was fucking blind or stupid

Get a grip - Mostert is shit

Jul 08, 2024, 23:48

More rubbish….Bakkies never said Mostert was promising. He said he was the best lock in South Africa. No way Mostert has gone backwards since then, he just keeps getting better like a good wine.

Bakkies a man known for his physicality gives Mostert the nod….backed by every critic and every coach including Erasmus. On the negative side we have Dave, Dense and Clever, the odd couple.

Nope that endorsement, his stats, and what your eyes  tell you carries the day. Mostert is our premier number 5 lock.

Jul 09, 2024, 00:00

Bullshit Bakkies was talking about a young Mostert playing provincial rugby

He needed to bulk up to be a test lock, he failed and it counted against him. He started under Rassie but Rassie soon realised that he needed more physicality and replaced him with Lood

There is no ways Bakkies would say the current powder puff Mostert is the best lock in SA

Keep it current Moz, move on from a comment made a decade ago - get a grip man

I’m guessing that’s the best you could come up with. Find us something current and we might have to take you seriously

Jul 09, 2024, 00:09

Often wrong but never uncertain…..chew on this:

There aren't many superlatives left to describe Franco Mostert's phenomenal Super Rugby season. But one former great of the game managed to pay the Lions lock the compliment to end all compliments.

"What makes Franco special is that he is a combination of a Victor Matfield and a Bakkies Botha put together. He has got the aggression of a Bakkies, but has all the flair and the skills of a Victor Matfield."

It doesn't get any bigger than that, especially if the man showering the praises on you is one of the most decorated Springboks of all time

Bakkies Botha may be referring to himself in the third person in that quote, but he has earned the right to do it, having won almost everything as a player.

Botha has won a World Cup, Tri-Nations titles, a series against the British & Irish Lions, Super Rugby titles, Currie Cups, the French Top 14 and a European Cup title. And, to top it off, formed one of the most formidable lock partnerships in the history of the game with Matfield.

These days Botha spends his days on the farm, using only the sun to tell the time. When it's up high, he works in the fields, but when it sets it's time to settle inside and spend some time with his wife and kids.

But that doesn't mean he has thrown rugby by the wayside after retiring from the game shortly before the 2015 World Cup. He has kept a keen eye on this year's Super Rugby tournament and especially the rise of Mostert after they once shared a dressing room at the Bulls.

The first time I met him was at the Bulls and he seemed to be a bit complacent. He left the Bulls for the Lions and his game has just taken off," Botha told KweséESPN.

"Johan [Ackermann, Lions coach] knows how to work with locks, because he was a lock himself, a Springbok lock. I think for Franco to go to the Lions was a great decision. Now he is playing some great rugby.

"At this stage he is the best lock in South Africa, and one of the best in the world."

The 26-year-old Mostert's work rate has been one of the standout features of his game, and the reason he got the nod to partner Eben Etzebeth in the Springbok second row for the Test series against France ahead of current SA Rugby Player of the Year, Pieter-Steph du Toit.

He is definitely not one of the biggest second-row forwards to play for South Africa at 1.98m and 105kg, but he is strong in the collisions and his cleans, tackles and carries are effective in the battle for supremacy at the gainline.

"Franco is already a world-class lock in my opinion. If you look at his work rate, his tackles, his cleaning and the time he spends on the park, he has just been phenomenal," Botha said.

"If you look at the way he plays, in comparison with an Eben Etzebeth who is almost twice his size, he plays with the same fire and intensity because his heart is twice as big.

"He is still taking the ball up as hard in the 78th minute he does in the first minute. Franco's stats are absolutely mind-blowing. He makes the most cleans, most carries and most tackles. That is unbelievable work, because normally you have a player making the most cleans, but somebody else making the most tackles.

"Bloody Franco does everything!"

While Mostert plays like a No. 4 lock in open play, he lineout jumping has also caught the eye, especially in the semi-final against the Hurricanes where he stole two crucial balls when the New Zealand side were on the attack deep in the Lions' 22.

Although Mostert is relatively short for a South African second rower, he leads the competition in lineout steals. He is also very secure on his own ball and runs the Lions' lineout with an iron fist.

"Franco is lighter than most other locks and that benefits him in the lineout. He is nice and light, and that gets him that half a second quicker in the air to beat his opponent," Botha said.

"For a lot of heavy guys, it takes us a split second longer to get in the air and on the limit -- the highest point where the hooker is throwing the ball into the lineout. That is why he is such a great contesting lock."

Jul 09, 2024, 00:11

The egg flows like the Ganges……poor old Dave. Once again every one of your arguments rebutted….now all you have left is a foul mouth.

Jul 09, 2024, 00:24

LMAO and I seriously think uncle Clever has been abducted by Aliens : )

Jul 09, 2024, 00:36

Hahaha! Would that were true!

Jul 09, 2024, 17:36

The very thing that Dave hates about Mostert is exactly what makes him so good.

A great lesson in looking past simply looking the part.

Jul 09, 2024, 18:19

Dave just likes them big. Maybe Becs can tell us if he's compensating for something.

Jul 09, 2024, 18:49

Moz what are you on about? What exactly have you come up with that is any different to your first post regarding the 26 year old Mostert

I want something current, Mostert as a test player not provincial player almost a decade ago

Get a bloody grip this is embarrassing

Jul 09, 2024, 18:51

Plum you are speaking shit - Mostett does very little of significance in any game he plays apart from making loads of tackles, never dominant ones - hardly the measure of a test lock now is it?

Prove me wrong

Jul 09, 2024, 19:08

Your points about Mostert is Futile, as Rassie sees it our way….so tell me how is Lomp playing nowadays?? Oh goodness I forgot, he is injured again…and Mostert is starting again! Same can be said about our Futile arguments about Dud, as he is also starting on Saturday…..what a Dilemma : )

Jul 09, 2024, 19:12

Listen here you dumbfuck Rassie selects Lood ahead of Mostert when he is fit as he is more physical. This is a fact you need to wake up to but I’m guessing you are too stupid to do that

My issue with Rassie is that given RG is bigger and better than Lood then why is he not starting RG ahead of that fucking sad excuse for a lock

You are very stupid, but maybe you have an answer for me? Enlighten me Mpower

Jul 09, 2024, 19:28

Well you clearly can’t read or you just ignorant….he Starts Mostert as he is the more consistent lock for the last couple of years already….if you don’t believe me why don’t you ask Rassie himself?? I am sure Uncle Clever, who has connections to Frans and Meyer Bosmans mom , can maybe get Rassie to give us a Anwser on Mostert…then when it comes to Snyman and not being consistent enough or been taken care of, has definitely got to do with his Double ACL Ruptures and his chest shoulder injuries that needed Surgery…..very simple the guy is being treated with care until he is back to his old self….which will take considerable time you dumb fucking Moron !!! Why don’t we take Pieter or Schalk as examples, it took them years to recover…..and some of them never regain there former glory…now do us all a favour and wake the fuck up….how do you like my Foul mouth display??? Looks like that’s the only way you listen you idiot :)

Jul 09, 2024, 19:30

Fuck me you really are too fucking stupid for me to bother with

Jul 09, 2024, 20:07

So you seriously not taking his horrific injuries into consideration? How about the fact that thru all the up and downs with injuries to Lomp, Pieter and RG, that Mostert kept his head down and just kept on working hard to keep the fort going….ensuring that the Boks keep there stature in WR?

Jul 09, 2024, 20:20

Since we're talking about locks...

Cunningham(England) looks good. Haven't been that impressed by a youngster since RG.

Dunno if anybody else watched the AB game but at 21, playing the ABs, away from home, he looked calm and made a plethora of positive contributions.

Goes to show that we often wait far too long to put trust in young guys.

I see he was schooled in Kiwi land.

Anybody else have thoughts on him?

Jul 09, 2024, 20:25

I saw him play and very impressive….I agree 100% that Rassie should put more trust in the young guys… doesn’t really feel like trust if he puts the Young guys in vs Portugal….the real character gets build against the big teams like Ireland, AB etc.

Jul 09, 2024, 20:27

Lomp was never that good and is now 31 years old. He  played only one game for the Boks in 2023 and is massively injury prone. 

Time to move on from this never has been,

Jul 09, 2024, 20:34

Lood has always been far better than Mostert

Jul 09, 2024, 20:35

Plum - Cunningham-South is not a lock he is a loosie with Kiwi connections

He went to school in NZ

Jul 09, 2024, 20:57

Cunningham-South has a lot of promise, but he’s not a Lock. 

Born in Kent, I believe, before schooling for a while in NZ. 

Jul 09, 2024, 21:05

Chandler CUNNINGHAM-SOUTH is a 21-year-old English rugby player standing at 1.95 m tall (6 ft 5 in) and weighing in at 120 kg (18 st 12.55 lb; 264.55 lb) , who currently plays for Harlequins in England as back row.

Career London Irish (2021 - 2023) Harlequins (2023 - 2024) Occupied positions by Chandler on start team : Back Row : 27 times ( Blindside Flanker 55%, Number 8 38% ) Lock : 2 times ( Lock #5 3%, Lock #4 3% )

Jul 09, 2024, 21:26

My bad, I had half an eye on the AB game, and thought he was playing lock.

But it seemed every time I looked at the screen he was doing something good.

Looks a proper unit, and very tough to contain once he gets going. He was chucking the Kiwis around a bit ;)

Jul 09, 2024, 21:40

Yeah he looks a good prospect he is a unit

Jul 09, 2024, 22:18

Chat GPT on why Rassie prefers Sous :

Rassie Erasmus, the South African national rugby team's director of rugby, may prefer Franco Mostert at the number 5 lock position over RG Snyman for several reasons:

1. **Work Rate and Endurance**: Franco Mostert is renowned for his high work rate and endurance. His ability to cover a lot of ground and maintain a high level of performance throughout the game is a significant asset.

2. **Lineout Skills**: Mostert is highly regarded for his lineout prowess. His jumping ability, timing, and understanding of lineout strategies are crucial for securing and disrupting lineout ball.

3. **Defensive Work**: Mostert is a strong defender, consistently making tackles and contributing to the defensive line's integrity. His positional awareness and tackling ability are vital in maintaining defensive stability.

4. **Consistency and Experience**: Mostert has been a consistent performer for the Springboks over the years. His experience and familiarity with the team's systems and strategies make him a reliable choice.

5. **Versatility**: While Mostert primarily plays as a lock, he has the versatility to cover the blindside flanker position if needed. This flexibility can be valuable in matchday squad selection.

RG Snyman, on the other hand, brings his own strengths, such as physicality, ball-handling skills, and an ability to make a significant impact off the bench. Erasmus's preference for Mostert at 5 might be influenced by the balance of the starting XV and the specific tactical requirements of a given match.

Jul 09, 2024, 22:41

RG with his hands tied behind his back is better than powder puff Mostert

Jul 09, 2024, 22:50

bizarre scenes of ice cream truck ...

Jul 09, 2024, 22:54

At sea ....................... like your rugby nous .:'(

Jul 09, 2024, 23:54

Blob given you have zero rugby knowledge or input how the fuck would you know what rugby nous entails huh?

Fuck me you are stupid

Jul 10, 2024, 03:04

" Someone who consistently insults others in such a manner over an internet forum might indeed have personal issues or be experiencing significant emotional distress. Such behavior could stem from feelings of insecurity, frustration, or a need for attention or power. Psychologically, it might indicate underlying issues with self-esteem, anger management, or difficulties in social interactions. Describing someone like that, you could say they appear to be struggling with their own emotions and projecting them onto others in an unhealthy and hurtful way. "

Jul 10, 2024, 03:14

Here you knob help yourself:

" To feel better and treat others with respect, someone exhibiting such behavior might benefit from the following forms of help:

1. **Therapy or Counseling**: Engaging with a mental health professional can help address underlying issues such as low self-esteem, anger management problems, or emotional distress. Cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT) is particularly effective in changing negative thought patterns and behaviors.

2. **Anger Management Programs**: These programs can provide strategies to manage anger and frustration in healthier ways, reducing the tendency to lash out at others.

3. **Support Groups**: Joining support groups can offer a sense of community and understanding from others who might be experiencing similar challenges.

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5. **Mindfulness and Stress Reduction Techniques**: Practices such as meditation, yoga, and deep breathing exercises can help manage stress and improve emotional regulation.

6. **Healthy Communication Skills**: Learning and practicing assertive communication can help express needs and emotions in a respectful and constructive manner.

7. **Positive Social Interactions**: Encouraging and engaging in positive, respectful interactions can help reinforce healthier behavior patterns.

Overall, the goal is to help the individual understand and manage their emotions better, develop healthier coping mechanisms, and improve their interpersonal skills. "

Jul 10, 2024, 08:05

None of the Mostert issues quoted was in respect of his performances on franchise level in Soper Rugby and not on test Rugby level.  It in fact refers to performanmcess of Mostert on Super rugby level  and nothing  about it refers to  his prformances on test level when it was written in 2016,   

Mozart does no realize that playing test rugby is a huge step up for performaces playing  Super Rugby level and is totally blind to that fact.   His limitation on test rugby level is way below what it  was on Super Rugby level.   

Because he is lightweight he can be easily lifted up highger than would happen to real locks jumping in line-outs.    What happened after jumnping is also important.  and myths like that Mostert is a good effective  tackler on test level is not in evidence since he is not an effective tackler,    In fact on Super Rugby levcel De jager in thed period 2013 to 2015 was always a better lock than Mostert was. as proven in him being  in the  Spring bo WC squad n 2015 - where he ahd to play in everfy est because of the fact that Matfield was injured and even amnaged to bugger up in the semi as he was  a total  flop.     

In any event - I trhink De Jager and Willemse will be back for the Champions Cup test matches starting in August and  so  the Estehuizen and Mostert pipe dreams of some members will stop.  EVsterhu,izen was only in t he presen squad since Willemse was no available.due to injury and thre same applies to Mostert as well.  .      .          .


Jul 10, 2024, 09:22

Mpower have you found a new toy? As I said you are too fucking stupid to come up with your own material hence the need for assistance

Now go stick that dummy back in your mouth and be sure to change your nappy

Jul 10, 2024, 10:23

Reaction to be expected…..but go ahead and laugh it of, this is exactly you : )

Jul 10, 2024, 10:49

Do you honestly think I give a flying fuck what anyone said on here about anything - do we know each other have we ever met and those we have met was so long ago that it’s a mere blur

Get a grip - I still love you don’t worry :)

Jul 10, 2024, 11:13

Just watched a replay of Cunningham's performance against the ABs.

That oak is a demon. He's gonna be something else when he hits his prime. Agile, massive, strong and seems to make good choices.

Finally, a forward from another country that I wouldn't mind seeing play for Boks.

...I knew it would happen one day ;)

Jul 10, 2024, 13:26

A south sea islander - he is a brute at 120kg he takes some stopping

Imagine what he will be like when he adds muscle

Becs won’t approve of him as he is not English

Jul 10, 2024, 15:23

I thought he was English but just schooled in NZ?

I mean he doesn't look like an Islander but rather like a mixed race English chap. His surname is Cunningham...not Tafikimanititi after all.

Jul 10, 2024, 16:27

His parents are English…..his Dad has Jamaican roots, I believe. No Polynesian involved ! 

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