https://rugby365.com/countries/south-africa/no-decline-in-sight-to-the-brilliant-du-toit-brand/

The fact is that P-S d Toit is a star playr and so are  Etzebeth and Klbe the oher two Springboks mentioned.

But of equal interest is the World dream team of the year which included he folloqing players:-

Credit needs to go to Du Toit, Etzebeth, Kolbe, Nché, Marx, De Allende, Kriel and other senior players for their contributions. 

I do not ant ou to ge aitat by the issue and hope yo have a nuice holiday season.     re you off to Florida again for he winer season.   I so enjoy and apply to see Trump at a-el-Lag for a game of golf.    Wil be difficult though beause all erats are currying to Mar-el-Lago nowadays.

A round of golf at the estate is I unersand very, very xpensive.   

So let bygones be bygones and lets start 2025 on a positive basis.

Ou mozzie needs to be well sedated these days!

"I do not ant ou to ge aitat by the issue and hope yo have a nuice holiday season"

Sounds like a farewell from Hitler!

Or a farewell from the Planet Romulan :)

To be selected for this "Dream Team" got zero significance….the players know this, and I think they do not take it seriously…

It’s a fantasy league game, made up by media and older players, still trying to be relevant.

Actually I  was given a private tour of Mar-A-Lago when I was on an Advisory Board of the National Trust ….nice spot.

Credit needs to be mostly given to the scheduler….who avoided playing NZ in NZ and avoided playing Ireland in Ireland… and avoided playing France at all. Next year we start with a home series against Georgia and Italy. This man is doing brilliant work.

So Moz are you now saying that Rassie is responsible for our fixture list?

Like it really makes a difference these days playing home or away - it makes fuck all difference

It’s 80 min on a field, where you play makes fuck all difference

Moz are you still trying to tell us Rassie is not the best coach we have ever had - better still that average Jake is better?

Geez Dave there are groupies and there are super groupies. Are you really willing to say there is no home field advantage just because you love Harrassmiss picking Mostert? Oh hold on, you are the same guy who said the Boks got no advantage out of playing 14 men in the WC final for a NET 40 minutes.

The Boks have great players, our traditional opponents are at their weakest and we had scheduling advantages this year. Our coaching has successfully taken us back to defence, tight forward play and  fast counter attack.

As we saw in the second half against Wales, back play hasn’t improved. In fact if you watch the tries against the ABs under Erasmus they were better before WC2019.

The world is complex….belief in saviors is simplistic,

I’m not stupid enough to declare the Boks had an advantage in the WC final playing against 14 men, we we never had a hooker to press home that advantage

Yes I’m saying given the global nature of the game with players travelling for both provincial and international games, home advantage has become a thing of the past - evidenced by Ireland beating us at home and doing the same to NZ

You are lying about our opponents being weaker that only applies to Oz and Wales - NZ and England are par, while France, Ireland, Scotland and Argentina are stronger than they have ever been

Our backline play is up there with all the test sides, in fact it’s getting better. Your take on our backline play is utter rubbish as per usual

Fact is Rassie is the best coach the Boks have ever had and this very fact kills you with scorn

Read and learn Dave and save the emotional hissy fits for someone who gives a damn.

Maaik, it’s not News 24, it’s Rugby 365...still a good read though...PSDT is next level...so glad for him...hear he's going for a serious shoulder surgery shortly...what a warrior!

I trid to be nice mozart an hope you enjoy the festive season - hence my suggestion you play a ound of golf at Mar-el-Lago course.   Apparently it cost $2 000 pe eprson er night nd a round of golf cost   $500 dollats per round.

A re you going to Florida thus year or the winter season or feezing in Chicago/

So take care of yourself and your faily anyway.        .          

I’m already in Florida Mike…thanks for the kind wishes.

That’s old school Moz it no longer applies to modern day rugby - players are forever travelling

Ok Dave answer me this…..do you think Farrell with the Bok squad and 18 months to get them in synch with his approach would beat Farrell with the Irish squad.

I don’t think Farrell is anything special - Joe Schmidt turned Ireland into a force - Ireland look to be slipping already without Sexton directing them

Okay do you think Schmidt with the Bok squad would beat Schmidt with the Irish squad. Here’s a hint….any one of Razor, Schmidt, Farrell, even Foster would be dominant with the current Bok squad.

A unique blend of players, luck and scheduling has created the Erasmus myth.

There is nothing we can point to that he has actually done other than restore old strengths. There are no new skills, no new tactics that are lasting….only a few gimmicks like flashing lights, water boy coaching, scrums from marks and open field maul creation.

The closest thing to a strategy is the bomb squad, which has worked. But mostly because with Ox and Kwagga in the mix, the individuals made a significant difference.  The main impact of the bomb squad idea has been psychological.

No they would not be as successful as Rassie is better than any of those coaches

Half the reason this Bok has achieved what it has is down to Rassie

Your take seems to imply a coach has no bearing on the performance of a team which has to be the most naive call ever

I think the coach has some bearing but he can’t make gold out of straw. No way the current NZ side coached by Harrassmiss beats the current Bok side coached by Razor.

Hell the 2009 Boks beat the Lions and then beat NZ 3 times with PdV as coach.

I ws hoping fir his head obe a pacemakin exercise ih a vie  e desive season - but eaebck o where we were before the thread.    I believe all Springbok players and aspirant payers are trying to do hei best in performance - but I beleve that the ebst in some cases are inadquate.    So lets accept that as a norm in this case.   

Moz that is a tight call. The current AB side with Razor, came very close in beating the boks.

So if you swop the coaches I guess Rassie stands a good chance beating the Boks with his AB team.

Firstly he will make that AB pack better and Razor will make our Backline play better.

Then Both coaches will have the advantage of already instilled structures… so it will be 50/50…I think.

" I ws hoping fir his head obe a pacemakin exercise ih a vie e desive season - but eaebck o " - so how’s the Romulan,s doing uncle Mike ??

I’ll give you a simpler proposition M….give NZ  Etzebeth and Ox and Razor beats Harrassmiss. Those two players are far more crucial than Harrassmiss.

I agree with you to a certain extend Moz.

When Nienhaber was Head coach his influence was good, especially our defence.

But it does look like Rassie,s influence over his whole tenure up till now, has been more significant especially with 2024 results.

Eben,s form under Meyer and Coetzee was not that good.

He was more busy with fights then playing Rugby. His Skillset under Rassie and Nienhaber,s time, has doubled.

Yes he is a naturally Gifted player, but now he has internalised his darker aggressive side and lives it out on the field, to be a focused lethal Rugby player.

I think Rassie played a integral part in the transformation of Eben,s game.

Also a player like Ox was quite invisible before he came under the tutelage of Erasmus.

So yes these two players will have a big impact in Razors side, but a outright win I am not so sure.

One thing that a person can never underestimate, is the Motivation/Influential powers Rassie does have over the players.

As we all have come to learn, is that Rassie is a clever Fox.

So he will definitely have a trick up his sleeve to try and beat two of his star players. :)

So yet again I will stick to my 50/50 prediction.

"I’ll give you a simpler proposition M….give NZ  Etzebeth and Ox and Razor beats Harrassmiss. Those two players are far more crucial than Harrassmiss."

Biased and ignorant conjecture.

Now if you'd said PSdT and Kolbe . . .

Now if I said PSdT and Kolbe you agree Razor would have beaten Harrassmiss. Okay, not the two players I picked, still I would happily include Kolbe for Ox, they are both great contributors. But take away Etzebeth and the intimidation factor is lost.

Rassie is currently regarded as one of the best coaches in the game ever, some saying he is the best

At test level Razor has proved fuck all

Except for Eben, the current AB side is up there with the Boks

It’s about the coach not the players here

Rassie is the master, Razor the servant

Anyone in the know will tell you that, except for the biased fools who keep embarrassing themselves

It’s always about the players….a team as experienced as this virtually coaches itself.

Mozart

That is BS.  It reminds m of waht happened under e V illiers in the 2011 RWC - remember tt debacle.   No team ca coach itself since cpacig ntils more thn individual performances - i is about how the tem as a whoe functions as well s strategis used.   Sorry I am nasty - but the above statement f yours s nbelievable garbaage.     That is why th ere is no professional sport team in the world without coaches  irrespective of how good individual layers re,   Take for instance the AB team that ruled supreme for a decade as the top rugby team in the orld with for the msot part haig  Hnsen as their coach = he was needed and was a magnificient coach.     

The 2009 Bok team coached itself to 3 wins over NZ ….Hansen had Nonu, Carter, Jaws, McCaw, Read and the emerging Barrett. 

But here’s the clincher…Razor was a stellar coach for the Crusaders.  But he was pretty mediocre this year….he simply doesn’t have the team.

"The 2009 Bok team coached itself to 3 wins over NZ….Hansen had Nonu, Carter, Jaws, McCaw, Read and the emerging Barrett. "

Nonsense...Snôrre, Gold, Muir and Rassie were in the mix too...Matfield and Jean won't be able to coach their way out of a wet paper  bag.

Experienced teams coach themselves - what a load of utter shit

Snôrre was involved…..waaaaaahahaha. Sure he was, picking Luke Watson. The man had no clue.

So Dave you ignorant plank….what do you think team leadership is all about. Why did White always obsess about team leadership? Because on the field they are doing the coaching and by all accounts at half time in the English Semi Dud was as well.

Get over it….Erasmus hasn’t created anything new, just eliminated the stupid idea that we should play like NZ and glory hallelujah has insisted that NH players can play for the Boks.  That and enjoyed the benefits of the best Bok talent pool ever.

This article excerpt   from another thread says it perfectly:

Brits himself takes up the story of Erasmus’ insistence of a return to when Springbok scrums were full of mighty men and feared worldwide.

“When Rassie took over as Springbok coach, [he] challenged us to think differently about the scrum, and he asked us to embrace it as a key part of our overall strategy.

“Rassie made us think of complete dominance, of having the mindset of relishing and getting excited for every single opportunity to scrummage.

“He designed the 6-2 split on the bench as a big part of this, and he asked us to no longer think of ourselves as 1, 2, 3 and 16, 17, 18 but as two integral units of the team… ready and waiting to make a quantitative difference to the team and the scoreboard; no hiding, no passive scrumming, just every single one a moment to dominate our opposing pack.”

We know now how spectacularly well the Springbok experiment has turned out. By cycling backwards, with a deep dive into the past of a great rugby nation, Erasmus has taken it forwards once again, to the point where his philosophies are becoming the envy of its most ancient rivals.

New Zealand head coach Scott Robertson was full of praise of Rassie’s new model army after the All Blacks’ end-of-year tour match in Turin.

“South Africa, the model they run, with all [players] available [it is the ideal]. Some play in the northern hemisphere, some in the southern hemisphere and their own country. All selectable.

“You cannot replace Test experience – that is one thing I’ve learned. They’ve got a got a great balance. They’ve got youth coming through, they’ve got great benches, they finish over top of teams and they’ve got big squads – they can have two really [high] quality XVs. Professional rugby is always evolving, you’ve always got to be a step ahead.”

First of all who gives a toss what White ever had to say he was shit

Leadership groups lead they don’t coach - fuck me that’s a bit obvious

We have seen more from Rassie than any coach, no coach comes close - for example the 6/2 split

Lying about PSDT coaching or even leading against England is your usual tact - you just lie and somehow think that, that is going to wash with is

PSDT literally uttered two sentences in a huddle after Rassie tore a strip off the side at halftime

So those two sentences was PSDT coaching and leading was it - and you call me ignorant. You are a joke

In your world experienced players coach sides and Rassie is just there to carry bags - fuck me what a stupid take on reality - seriously?

How is this group of Boks better than the likes of Habana, JP, Fourie, Jean, Frans, du Preez, Beast, Os, Bismark, Jannie, Bakkies, Matfield, Schalk, Juan, Danie etc?

" First of all who gives a toss what White ever had to say he was shit "

Typical for Numb nuts, baseless verbal diarrhoea, but most important just swear and he thinks that’s a argument LMAO:)

Damm guy and you have the audacity calling other people thick?!

Time to look in mirror and wake the fuck up….Mampara King Idiot :)

Is your name Mozart you dumbfuck huh?

“I told my mates, I just hope that they (Chasing the Sun 2 producers) give the whole context behind what really happened. And as you can see, they kind of did.

“What’s going on is something I haven’t experienced in a changeroom. We always go into a changeroom, we’ve got plans. This is working, this is not working. Let’s do this, let’s not do this.

“Rassie came in, said what he had to say, took the reserves into a room next door. I was just looking around and the coaches were standing behind a table on that side, and everyone was just sitting there. This is not what we are used to.

………………

It wasn’t planned, it was just something that came up, and [I] said stuff.

“Ja, I don’t really talk that much. I’m a strong believer in ‘actions speak louder than words’. The way you perform on the field or the way you live your life must tell your story – ‘okay, these are the morals of this guy’. And if you can do that, nothing has to be said.

“You can see everyone standing there, like even Jacques [Nienaber] was… I don’t think anyone… We were so shocked at what was going on. We were experiencing our game plan forced on us, and we couldn’t handle it.

“And you just look around and everyone is sitting down. No one is talking. There’s no energy and no vibe, and that’s what we’re about. We have to come together and create a vibe, create energy, and go on to the next job. That’s always our motto, ‘focus on the next job’.

“Rassie of course, the next day, we had a meeting. And he just showed it on the projector and he said, ‘This guy understands’. And I’m very grateful for that.

…..

That from Dud Toit….does it sound like Rasmus sorted out the problem. You’re big on going to the ‘you are lying’ thing. I could do the same to you now, but honestly, it’s pretty silly. Disagree by all means, challenge by all means, but we all have points of view. It would be a dull Board if only conforming views were acceptable.

Moz does that mean PSDT is coaching the team?

Do you honestly believe given all the behind the scenes footage shown in Chasing the Sun 1 and 2 that Rassie would have had nothing to say at halftime in that match against England

Give me a break, if you believed that you really are stupid

I quote Dud Toit, he described quite clearly the scene in the dressing room. Coaching is selection, tactics and motivation. Rasmus has largely just added to Coetzee’s team, taken us back to traditional Bok rugby and I always thought motivation was his long suite. That description from Dud surprised me….but it’s never been contradicted.

"Give me a break, if you believed that you really are stupid"

Says the man who never rated Jake White or World Player of the Year Schalk Burger….but was all in for Luke Watson. Now there’s stupid,  as they would say in Wales.

Great, you're both stupid...  

One thing is for certain and that is Rassie would have had plenty to say at halftime in that game against England as would the rest of the coaching staff as well witnessed in Chasing the Sun

Rassie is a master coach he is great in every respect of the game - from tactics to motivational. It’s why he is the best in the business

PSDT on that day had words in the huddle just before they returned to the field - what made that standout was that the words came from a usually silent man of the squad

But is see since that game PSDT has become a lot more vocal in the huddles - he has found his leadership stripes

That’s not how the quiet man describes it…..he describes a shell shocked dressing room after the coach left with the bomb squad.

Yes the coach had had his say and of course they would still be shell shocked - words at halftime hardly change the reality of how the first half went

Geez Moz did you play rugby at all?

To imply Rassie did not say anything or that he does not coach or that the experienced players do the coaching is fucking stupidity of the highest order

I guess I just believe Dud more than I believe you.

Yeah we all buy into your version which has the experienced players coaching while Rassie twiddles his thumbs

Joke of the decade