Rassie has chosen to rest Ox instead of playing him against Wales. He is not injured just has a deep cut above the knee

So Wilco Louw starts at 3 with Thomas moving to loosehead

Bench props remain the same

Thomas is used to loose head although according to all.rugby, he has scrummed more at TH.

It’s a daunting task ahead for Wales in the Form of these two monster props….

I prefer Thomas at loosehead. He gets more involved in open play when at the Sharks, before moving to tighthead. He has never set the world alight at tighthead and certainly looked better in his early days when it looked like he would become a Springbok great with 50+ tests.

Shark you are speaking utter shit as per usual.

At the Sharks he was part of a dominant frontrow that included Ox and Bongi and where he made a name for himself in general play

But not nearly as much as he has done for Bath playing tighthead. If you actually knew what you were talking about instead of sucking the usual shit out of your thumb you would know that at Bath he has made a name for himself with the number of tries he has scored for them.

Hardly a stat you see from a tighthead Do yourself a favour in future and try stick to the facts. If you are not basing your takes on reality then do us all a favour and keep your trap shut

Your take on Thomas is on par with your outdated and ignorant takes on the du Preez twins

Your rugby takes lack facts and substance

I don’t think you’ll have too much to worry about playing Wales, regardless of whose playing ! 

The funny thing is at a stage wales was really good.

For example in WC 2019 we had a very tight game against them and just pulled it thru .

And Gatland is actually a really good coach. Funny how things change hey Rebecca :)

Absolutely, Mpower. 

I have a feeling Gatland won’t be sticking around much longer.

But the question is… will his reputation have suffered because of the decline of Welsh Rugby?

I really don’t understand what is going on as even in the URC Welsh teams are down.

I sincerely hope they can turn the tide and become competitive again….

Becs do you think that Borthwick,s job is now in danger after the 5 losses?

I know the English Rugby bosses is very tough and mostly don’t take any nonsense…

The same Thomas the Tank who was handled by the Portuguese?

Moz stop fucking lying

Mpower…….Borthwick was safe until after the next RWC but now the bosses have placed a caveat on us winning four games in the next Six Nations. If that doesn’t happen, I think he’ll be toast….

From RugbyPass:

3. Thomas du Toit – 6
Anchoring a good, if not dominant, scrummaging performance from his side with a 75% win rate in the set piece, the Bathtighthead had some moments where he looked like he might bust through contact for a decent break. Unfortunately for him, the moment never came for him to stretch his legs fully before he was replaced in the 58th minute.

……

Not dominant against Portugal. This the great scrummager you claim Dave. I bet Wilco would have destroyed them.

Moz never lies.

And I could go look up a review that said he dominated as he clearly did - he won a scrum penalty so yes you are lying - 100% you are lying

I know for a fact that in every test Thomas has started at 3 this year he has been dominant no more or less than Wilco was against England

Thomas is a class tighthead and he has proved it this year - it’s why Rassie selected him to start at 3 on two of the EOYT tests

Thomas du Toit 7: He put in a good show in the scrums, winning a penalty or two for his team, while he made the odd tackle, carry and clean. Was replaced just before the 60-minute mark.

Oh my goodness Becs I thought so much as sooner or later the ultimatum will come in…

Now the pressure is on and if it does happen that things don’t work out, who next?

3 Thomas du Toit

Came out and wanted to show Bloemfontein that South Africa has another world-class tighthead prop. He was solid in the set-piece, winning a scrum penalty.

8/10

I know, Mpower. 

The chances of us winning the four matches is not good. 

As for who will replace him, I have no idea. The RFU are cash-strapped so it’ll be who they can afford. There is talk of Lancaster returning, but I’m not sure he’d want to ! 

Thomas du Toit: 7

Stood strong in the scrums, and got his sizeable frame around the pitch on attack and defence at close quarters.

Dave unluckily Thomas was put under severe pressure from that 39 year old LH Portugal prop…

The scrum penalty as far as I can remember, came from the good scrum work of Jan Hendrik Wessels LH Side ….scrumming thru the Portugal TH Prop…

Not trying to be funny here, but Wilco would have Broken that prop in half…

Oh stop speaking utter fucking shit - if Thomas won a penalty what the fuck has that got to do with Wessels

Fuck you are stupid

Thomas ‘The Tank’ du Toit — 8/10

The 29-year-old reinvented himself at Bath this past season and he carried that form into this Test appearance. Immovable in the scrum, it was also his work in the loose that had been most impressive, as he does a lot of the hard yards in the close quarters.

What about a SA coach like Johan van Graan or a Franco Smith?

Stuart Lancaster was not to bad, but did have a bad spell in the end…

No Dave you the one claiming that Thomas won the scrum penalty, when in actual fact the pressure that won that penalty, came from the LH side thru Jan Hendrik Wessels.

In the Scotland game Thomas could only get dominance over Pierre Schoeman when Scotland got the 20 min Lock red Card.

After the 20 min and the substitute Lock came on, he could not get the needed dominance.

Wilco is like Frans or a Carlu Sadie, specialist TH props, that has destructive scrum power….

Thomas is a excellent player but has more power on the LH side. That is why Rassie has no issues putting him that side.

Planet Rugby:

3 Thomas du Toit: A good return to the Test arena after a decent spell away for the Bath prop. Locked down the scrum and got himself involved in the battle in the tight. 

Citizen

Thomas du Toit 7: He put in a good show in the scrums, winning a penalty or two for his team, while he made the odd tackle, carry and clean. Was replaced just before the 60-minute mark

3 Thomas du Toit
Came out and wanted to show Bloemfontein that South Africa has another world-class tighthead prop. He was solid in the set-piece, winning a scrum penalty.
8/10

You mentioned this. By somebody called Leezil Hendricks…..bet she has a lot of scrumming experience.

IOL  7 Stood strong in the scrums, and got his sizeable frame around the pitch on attack and defence at close quarters.

Plenty of good reviews which confirm you are speaking utter shit Moz

But regardless of the reviews, I know for a fact having watched Thomas in all the tests he has played this year that he has been good in the scrums and that you are lying about his performances as you usually do

It’s on par with telling us PSDT is not an effective ball carrier

So nobody is suggesting he dominated his Portuguese opponent. Frankly in the matches I have watched, he never has. As for the ratings they were about average, no better than Wessels. Average ratings for an average performance.

Dud is an average runner at best and Tank is an average scrummager at best . Fact.

We don’t want a foreign coach, Mpower ! 

Lancaster had a rum deal. He was going well until that RWC. They’d already decided they wanted him out and Jones in. No-one will convince me otherwise ! 

Mpower stop speaking utter shit - the scrum penalty Thomas was had fuck all to do with Wessels for crying out loud. Are you stupid? So if the ref penalises the Portuguese loosehead that in your ignorant head tells you it was thanks to Wessels our loosehead - wow

Thomas was dominant throughout his stint against Scotland despite having a shit pack to work with given Mostert was at lock, v Staaden at 6 and Kwagga at 8

But this fact is beyond your rugby comprehension

Ah so 7 and 8 as a rating is average - as I said you are just a liar

Last I checked winning a scrum penalty is evidence of dominance - but I’m guessing in your world it’s not

Moz no one cares what you see when it comes to certain players as it’s a load of utter shit

No more so than PSDT who is in the top 3 best players on the planet right now - PSDT keeps embarrassing you

It’s the biggest joke on this board

Ok Becs fair enough, I can respect you don’t want a foreign coach….so Lancaster might just be the catalyst you guys need….I hope so for England sake.

If you think Tank was dominant against Scotland, and it probably is his best outing…..Mostert shares in that credit. It’s the combined force of the prop and the lock…has to be, simple physics

That’s what’s always been wrong with your argument. Knowing Mostert I bet he gives 105% in every scrum.

A warrior and a very smart player

Well Dave your Rugby Comprehension is definitely not spot on….because how do you explain with that exact same pack, Frans Malherbe dominating in the scrums?!

Um when did Frans scrum with v Staaden at 6 and Kwagga at 8 - two little guys and powder puff at 5???!

The first Irish test it was Kwagga 8 and Mostert and Van Staden came on in the second half if memory serves me correctly?

Frans was still scrumming, just before Vincent took over….atleast the combination of Kwagga and Mostert has been there more than once, and Frans got dominance.

Kolisi definitely does not make more of a impact at scrum time than Van Staden.

Yes and in that Irish test we unfortunately never dominated a scrum so bang goes your theory on Frans somehow coping with little men involved

Um Moz last I checked old powder puff is a 5 - the 5 scrums behind the loosehead so I’m not sure how powder puff would have assisted Thomas

In the beginning of the first half there was parity in the first couple of scrums….

But to the end of the first half and beginning second half there was quite a few dominant scrums from our side…

Eben was scrumming behind Thomas in the Scotties test, and Thomas still struggled to get dominance over Pierre Schoeman….

So if Mostert was there or not, it made no difference.

If Mostert was such a liability, how do you explain the scrum penalties thru dominance in the WC 23 knock out Rounds?

My bad, you’re  right Dave Eben is behind Malherbe and Mostert is behind Ox. But it’s hard to imagine Mostert is anything but dynamic given  the way Ox has dominated his opponents. 

Mpower…..I have no idea who is on the list to take over if Borthwick continues to fail. We’ll have to wait and see.

But we do have some good players and we need to start exploiting that fact. 

Mpower you are speaking shit - there was only parity against Ireland in the scrums - not surprising given Rassie’s stupid call to select powder puff ahead of RG and tiny Kwagga at 8.

That is one of the disappointing aspects of the Irish series, was no scrum dominance by the Bok pack but as I’ve mentioned it’s hardly surprising given the poor make up of our scrum for that series

The Bok scrum dominated the Scottish one

So would the Irish.