Don't Joe look like a middle-age Doc Craven ?
I mentioed months ago - diring he RX+C series that D u Toit would be 2024 Player of the year, for 2024. His veratility and in ssence his bl ense is hat makes him difernt from oher nmineesm. bkije ioher candidates he is always bear to where the ball is going and that is what puts him ahead of other contenders.
There can be no dount about Etzebeth bein g he est lock in he wrldm and one as to bear in min as well as the Dream team of he world at present:-
World Rugby men’s 15s dream team of the year: 15. Will Jordan (New Zealand); 14. Cheslin Kolbe (South Africa), 13. Jesse Kriel (South Africa), 12. Damian de Allende (South Africa), 11. James Lowe (Ireland); 10. Damian McKenzie (New Zealand), 9. Jamison Gibson-Park (Ireland); 1. Ox Nche (South Africa), 2. Malcolm Marx (South Africa), 3. Tyrel Lomax (New Zealand), 4. Eben Etzebeth (South Africa), 5. Tadhg Beirne (Ireland), 6. Pablo Matera (Argentina), 7. Pieter-Steph du Toit (South Africa), 8. Caelan Doris (Ireland).
The one playe I dffe vrom he above is Damian McKnzie. He was and is to my mind ot he best fluhalf in the world. I would rank all of he folowing as better flyhalfs than him:-
Smith, Pollard and potentially Feinberg Mngomezulu - but the latter has not played at flyhalf for the Springboks - but mostly at center in 2023 in tests, If Sch as playing in mor tests this year and specifically playing at flyhalf he would have been the emerging Young Player of the Year, Another all Rounder wit a hell-of-lot in ball sense and vey physical in what he delives, as an all round player.
I must add that the ne prblem o Marx as a hooke is his line-out throw-ins that is always a gamble, He is a plaer hat losy mor balls in line-out hrow-ins tan even Grobbelaar is, His otribuions ar just as henominal as P-S du Toit,
As to the latter - if he maintains the standard of performances he maintained this year - the Playeof the Year in 2025 is quite possible next year ss well.
They mus be areful about elections - he fac that DeAllende being in the dream eam wuuld cause Mozart and Pakie seizures and mental collapses. Combined with Du Toit being in he team as well - is not good for their mental health as well,
World Rugby men’s 15s dream team of the year: 15. Will Jordan (New Zealand); 14. Cheslin Kolbe (South Africa), 13. Jesse Kriel (South Africa), 12. Damian de Allende (South Africa), 11. James Lowe (Ireland); 10. Damian McKenzie (New Zealand), 9. Jamison Gibson-Park (Ireland); 1. Ox Nche (South Africa), 2. Malcolm Marx (South Africa), 3. Tyrel Lomax (New Zealand), 4. Eben Etzebeth (South Africa), 5. Tadhg Beirne (Ireland), 6. Pablo Matera (Argentina), 7. Pieter-Steph du Toit (South Africa), 8. Caelan Doris (Ireland).
Lol yes...how is it possible?...all hype né?
Well done, sir.
he fac that DeAllende being in the dream eam wuuld cause Mozart and Pakie seizures and mental collapses
Yes, how terrible. I don't know how I'll recover.
There aren't much competition in the center bracket. Jesse is probably the best of the bunch right now at 13. Huw Jones is maybe another candidate. Ioane has been poor for NZ, Ringrose neither here not there. DDA is something you have to accept at this stage - the journalists frequently make stuff up that never happened to boost his ratings (attributing Fassi's scoring pass to him in the latest example), so he does have a bit of a golden boy aura in the industry. He's a nice enough bloke though so let him have it, it's not like any other 12s are producing stellar performances, although I thought Len Ikitau was good for Australia.
I'd definitely have Marcus Smith ahead of Dmac - vastly more influential. Probably Arendse or Duhan ahead of Lowe, who has been average at best on the end of year tour. Not sure about Lomax but I'm not a prop expert.
Might add that Tom Wright wouldn't have been out of place at 15.
Well done PSDT.
He's been a warrior the last couple of seasons.
Never thought he'd properly come back after his neck injury but he did.
Very happy for the chap.
lol DDA in the world 15 is a joke. Kriel, fine...but DDA?
Again, we can look at PSDT performances and see why he was selected for this. Probably the same for Jessie.
...but with DDA...nobody can point to anything other people's opinions. Because there is no actual evidence of this magic he supposedly produces.
Mountains of EGG land on biased poster here.
It's now official mozzietard's trashing ig Du Toit and indeed Rassie is the biggest blunder committed by any poster.
Then we get to the anti Alkende brigade. Allende has be praised by all and sundry but biased oaks here have been trashing him for years. Many also wrote off Kriel.
How do these blunders happen. It's has a lot to do with ego. Mozzietard for example for some reason took a dislike to Rassie and was teasing this great coach way back to the time Rassie was player coach of Free State when they won the Currie Cup. With every success of Rassie he doubled down hoping he would be vindicated. He become I sensed that he was having his long nodecrunndex in it and became ever more unhinged about Rassie.
Exactly the same allies to Du Toit. Poor Mozzie now of course realizes he has made a prize ass if himself regarding Du Toit so now is game is to say Du Toit has suddenly improved. Hahahahahahaha. Hilarious
Look we all make mistakes some more than others. However this mozzietard nonsense about Du Toit is astounding.
Hopefully Pakster and Plumster will reconsider their position on Allende.
Another guy who must be in a froth is poor Doos who considered himself the ultimate rugby authority. Doos was totally insenced when the Boks won the RWC making outrageous remarks about Rassie and the Boks. After having a meltdown he flounced off in a complete huff.
Mozzie had a more subtle approach saying it was all luck. I think in 2019 he argued it was the easy route we had to the final. Ou Mozzie actually leaves no stone unturned to belittle Rassie and the Boks success.
Anyhow it's all grist to the mill and the way it turns out is hilarious!
Saw the other day a compilation of all the dopes who said Trump couldn't win. There was NeoCon war Hawk and Globalist Uniparty shill Nikki Haley insisting Trump could win and voters must select her FOR THE GOP Nominee. This was the line adopted by NeoCon war Hawk mozzietard. Hahahahahahaha.
Lots to laugh about. Although the Uniparty Rinos in Congress will work hard to obstruct Trump I think 2025 will be a year of revelation for hitherto ignorant bigoted boneheads on a variety of topics. 
Hopefully Pakster and Plumster will reconsider their position on Allende.
It's not bias, Beeno. Bias is when you deliberately ignore any good the player does - see ou Maaik on Esterhuizen, where Esterhuizen is always bad no matter what he does.
I give DDA credit when he does well and he's had a few good games this season, but I can also in any game where he is not good point to exactly what errors he makes and why that reinforces my view. It's an assessment, it is not bias.
There is far more positive bias towards him in the media than negative bias from me. Look at his Planet-Rugby rating this weekend. Makes three errors in a row (ball lost in contact, pass dropped, pass thrown to no one), gets yanked and replaced, but he gets an 8 (including getting credit for a pass that Fassi in fact threw), which designates an outstanding performance. It doesn't add up.
Pakie
Tis situat ion has been goig on for years on yur part - Du Toit is shit beccaue Mostert mised tackles and Mozart and Pakie maaged blame Du Toit for te Mostr bugger ups by Mostert, De A llende is shit and Et ser huizenis a saint t hat was dine in becahse he was not selected ahead of De Allende. It shows up Erasmus ia shit ebase hs doed not pick St Esterhuizen at inside imsode center =- a playe i 19 tests showed he never scored a try , never evena ssist in scoring oe and waspoor in defense compared to De Allende,
By the way the latest shit against Du Toit because he somehow did not charge dn a droped goal is pure BS inevention by Mozart and supported by BS Bertie Pakie, Amazing stuf from both. .
Beeno & Clevermike = Old women with wet Panties :)
Well done Pieter, but it couldn’t have been by much, if you take in consideration how well Eben and Cheslin played this season….
And off course John Deere the tractor will be in the Dream team, he is like Blondie hyped up by the media….
This is the way of this cynical World in all Facets of life….
Its is not a cymical world at all - it is a real world where BS reigns supreme that constantly get exposed by reality. Take for instance Etzsbeth a top class lock - but aely perorm ouside of Tight 5 play and played veryliltlle role inmost other facets of he game and Kolbe who is a top calss fiisher - probably he ebst in WR when other players give him an opening, The best perormer i te wing position at present.
Perormance does nto count a cent when it comes to playes they aht and when they glorified layes they cannot produce evidecne confirming heir choices when they played on test level. So Mostert is a betteer player than Du Toit and St Esterhuizen is an all time great center with serious pace and defene deficiencies and whose ball skills let him dwn cnstantly. That is why for instance Esterhuizen cannot score tries on test level and cannot even assist in scoring of tries by the Springboks. He is not a tractor at all - he is a donkey used as a center, but he has full support by of the site idiots. What a show of shit show they put up on site,
It is selected by former international players, so no fan involved, but if you listen to how the talk about each other, it is a bit of a love in. Where as the fans are super critical. Damian Mckenzie was rubbish at 10 for most of the year. Some of the Irish players like Gibson Park I have questions but no other 9 has in SA had a good run to assert themselves.
Aliens can’t even understand that post….yes Uncle C it’s truly a shit show or show shit?!
Aliens can’t even understand that post….yes Uncle C it’s truly a shit show or show shit?!
Another hissy fit full of strawmen.
It's a mental thing, dudes.
Some board members see us dissing DDA as some kind of anti-Bok rhetoric.
That's why they don't actually assess how he plays but instead go with the opinions of others.
If one were objective, you would be able recognise how much DDA does wrong. And these should be his golden years where he has all the benefits of experience and body that is close to its peak.
I'm unconvinced that any number of far less experience youngsters wouldn't do better.
Spot on plum….Most just go with the stream, swept away by the Dark forces of the Media and Management….it’s convenient as no thinking or analytics is required …
But off course we will be the lost sheep now and in need of redemption :)
Mpower
Read the following and find ut why Mozart, Pakie and you need similar crying sessions:-
Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., took aim at Secretary of State Antony Blinken after it was reported that the State Department held therapy sessions for employees who were upset by President-elect Trump’s election victory.
"I am concerned that the Department is catering to federal employees who are personally devastated by the normal functioning of American democracy through the provision of government-funded mental health counseling because Kamala Harris was not elected President of the United States," Issa said in a letter to Blinken last week.
The letter comes after a Free Beacon report earlier this month that detailed two alleged therapy sessions that were held at the State Department after Trump’s victory, with sources telling the outlet that one such instance amounted to an information "cry session."
Read the following and find ut why Mozart, Pakie and you need similar crying sessions:-
Ehm, who's crying? Let's see..
Me:
He's a nice enough bloke though so let him have it, it's not like any other 12s are producing stellar performances, although I thought Len Ikitau was good for Australia.
Ou Maaik:
Tis situat ion has been goig on for years on yur part - Du Toit is shit beccaue Mostert mised tackles and Mozart and Pakie maaged blame Du Toit for te Mostr bugger ups by Mostert, De A llende is shit and Et ser huizenis a saint t hat was dine in becahse he was not selected ahead of De Allende.
As far as I can remember this is a forum where we discuss different view points….
We are definitely capable of giving credit to DR. Allendig and Blondie if it’s valid… But the Criticism given is also valid and therefore justified.
Examples of that is right here on this thread where credit is given towards Blondie….when Dr. Allendig made that break for Kolbe,s try, credit was also giving to him.
But the facts that he is a John Deere tractor mostly seeking contact, not a good off loader of the ball and a killer of good ball possession, is undeniable.
The ability that we can see both and except it, points to a much healthier state of mind.
Conveniently you ignore these facts, because it will make your bias opinion obsolete .
You on the other hand see it generally all as BS …no matter if it’s right or wrong, which makes you completely Bias.
Let us take Esterhuisen for example… none of the things you say about him is truthful, it is based on your own bias and make belief inside of your head….
Even if Esterhuisen is a class act and plays well and deserves credit , you are not capable of making that distinction and choose to rather lie to justify your Bias/illusion inside of your head….
So the therapy session or crying sessions, is much more applicable for you Uncle Mike. While you at it, take that Fake Preacher War Monger Hasbeeno with you!! :)
It’s really very simple. Erasmus has broken the club rules. Eben is too aggressive….but Dud Toit is a quiet bloke, who plays the game without attitude. If Eben steps into some of those dust ups and separates players pats a few opponents on the back….he would probably have two of these awards already.
It’s a popularity contest….the most indispensable player in rugby is Eben Etzebeth. But Dud had his best year in 2024, and is now a much more complete player.
Half the Player of the Year awards have gone to loosies. Why is that? Because their contributions are more frequent than backs and more obvious than tight forwards.
It would be interesting if somebody came up with a proper analysis of contributions, rather than a bunch of rugby retirees in a room drinking Scotch and playing favorites. As it stands these awards and the World Team don’t tell you much.
But what it does tell you is that PSDT is one hell of a player
Has there ever been different categories for best player of the year?
Best loose forward, Best tight Forward and Best Backline player in the world?
Don’t think so…maybe there should be a match winner’s award. I’d give Ox that for creating penalties. Pollard for never missing when it matters and Kolbe for scoring every possible try chance he gets. At the end of the day those are the players most directly linked to points.
Ox has been so important for exactly that reason, penalties….
that is the backbone of the Rassie slow poison grind them in the ground game plan.
Then also his defence and hitting the rucks, he puts in a lot work.
Wilco is definitely more active in his general play then he used to be, but I think he can still improve a little bit in that department.
But as seen, he is the man and a tremendous destructive scrum machine . Can’t wait for him to go up against Taimaiti Williams :)
Cheslin is a danger for any defence.
I have said this before he is one of the only players ( Besides Gio Aplon and now also Arendse) that can cut a defence open, beating defenders at will.
Him and Arendse has got points written all over them:) even Mapimpi can still rack those points.
Fassi is another candidate that can cut defences open…. He just needs someone that can put him and the Ball into space...
SFM will be that man or a Esterhuisen @ 12 :) Uncle Mike,s favourite player…
PSDT has always been well behaved on field…very obedient and carries his heart on his sleeve….cries quickly, but as tough as nails.
The poster player of Rugby. Eben is more the bad boy of Rugby or he used to be …like I said he now internalises that aggression and has matured.
He gets the job done and just a pity that these knob head judges and the guidelines of WR, still holds him to that standard…. Can’t judge a book by its cover, these fools …
"Some board members see us dissing DDA as some kind of anti-Bok rhetoric.
That's why they don't actually assess how he plays but instead go with the opinions of others.
Not so Plum, we see, but see the whole picture...the DdA haters on here focus on the errors and ignore the positives...you refuse to see what's rigth in front of you.
If one were objective, you would be able recognise how much DDA does wrong. And these should be his golden years where he has all the benefits of experience and body that is close to its peak.
LOL...if you were objective you would know that he's not as bad as you think.
I'm unconvinced that any number of far less experience youngsters wouldn't do better."
Wel that remains to be proven
We've got a great team, but there's always room for improvement...but it should be actual improvement, not wistful thinking...
Draad Mozrtnce wrote on site he has never seen anyhig positivce done by de Allende and Du Toit - in other words he refuse to see anthing postive about these 2 players/ He used to write reports on incidents in matches and invented incidents that he described falsely on what actually happened,
That is why I took really no notice about his BS as I am fully aware of what he is expected to come up with,
That Maddison Levi the ladies 7,s player of the year is a hot Ozzie :)
Too much muscle - I’m not a fan
Very unflattering frocks.
Mike you are a disgusting liar, the only thing that prevents a response is the fact that you are so clearly in your second childhood. I won’t even ask you to find that quote, you probably have enough trouble with your own shoelaces.
That’s the one Blob, in white…Well I find that dress wunderbar :) I don’t think her muscles is to big …are you scared she will bliksem you Dave? :)
" Very unflattering frocks. " Classic Becs that Made me laugh:) Thank you.
Hmmmm…….well, I think they could’ve looked much nicer in different frocks.
Glad I made you laugh, Mpower 
More like unfattening frocks
Draad,
I'm evidence driven. As always, all I ask for is just that...evidence.
Show me the world's best 12 performance that DDA put in this season.
The games are all available for review. Pick your best one and provide the timestamps. I'll happily watch it a give my opinion.
Mozart
All too funny for words.
Now the anti Rassie, anti Du Toit and anti Allende buffoons are getting humystericsl because nobody aside form the little groub of Mamparas agree with them.
Nobody can anakyse the game like these half bakes. Bwahahahahahaha.
According to poor Mozzietard 2024 is suddenly the year Du Toit started playing good rugby.
Mampara trying to downplay Du Toit RUGBY PLAYER IF THE YEAR award notes, correctly that it was close when considering Cgedlin and Eben. However to be in the same bracket as these two great players means Du Toit is also great.
How many rugby players have two such awards.
No these clowns have made complete fools of themselves regarding Rassie, Du Toit and Allende. I could also add in Malherbe who mozzietard took a dislike to as well. Perhaps Malherbe has also suddenly improved this year. Hahahshshaha
Beeno
There are two common factrs to Mozart pet hates/ If Dave and I wrote neatively about retied players Meyer brought into he Springbok squad and menioed the slliness about Mattfield Mozart went on te attack trail in 2013 and it never stopped for the past 10 years. Same with Malhebe - especially as his father was a lifelong riend of mine and when I menioned anything the hate campaign started.
When De A llende was foced into the RC in 2015 and played only three matches as cne partnes the hatred took unheard levels, It stemed from the fact that De Villiers was injured and Forie was so fat and unfit that he was kicked out of he June 2015 training camp.
The lies about performances started afresh in 2015 wih falsification of what ahppened in matches, It reached now heights of using pet hatred in 2018 and 2019/ If you compare what Mozart wriote about he De Alende try against Wales in the semi and what actually happend, it was a clear case about is being invented by Mozart,
The vitriol against Du Toit and De Allende was always total - but it started off against Erasmus in 2018/ He even wrote that SARU made a mistake - they should rather have retaied Coetzee than to appointe Erasmus, It was obvious that he lied all the ime when it came to Ersmus.
In all the lies invented by Mozart of imgained try scoring opportunites and lies about defense Mozart always had the full support of Pakie// One really womdes when the BS wold stop - but it never does.
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One really womdes when the BS wold stop - but it never does.
The BS will never stop 
Fine, I'll ask the question then...
Is anybody here actually concerned about Mike?
I am.
Mike, do you live alone? Are there other people around you? If not, how often do you see people... like anyone?
I'm not trying to belittle you and put you down with this. But what is happening here isn't normal. It's not simply spelling mistakes.
We've gotten so used to your posts being like this that I think we are looking past the fact that you may be in terrible health and not taking any sort of care of yourself.
Guys...am I worried for nothing here?
" nobody aside form the little groub of Mamparas agree with them. " - That,s Rich coming from you, as most of your posts get ignored….
Besides that, everything you write is a blatant lie. Go read my post again and the post from Pakie and Moz.
It’s very clear we give credit to Pieter and Dr. Allendig where it’s due. You try in vain to lie and turn our words around, when it’s clearly written for everyone to see.
How Dumb can you be to think that anything you say has any credibility?!
The amount of shyster you post on here, not to even mention Beeno,s trumpet is some kind of record.
You mostly talking to yourself:) so the Main Mampara turns out to be you….Congrats!
Two grumpy old ladies with wet panties …Uncle Mike just by the by, Again Aliens are baffled with that English…we know you can do better as you have proven please.
Why is then that most of his post on Beeno,s trumpet is without errors?
Also the other day his replies on my post, which was quite long, was perfect?
I don’t know if you must worry and frankly will Uncle Mike really be truthful about his situation?
Also who is willing to drive out to him to see what is actually going on there? Will he even allow it with privacy and all?
Not that a person go there and end up with a load of buckshot in the backside :) The uncle is most probably armed…
3 hours drive to Riversdal from Cape Town side.
DA’s bust to set up the Kolbe try against England
DA’s great hands to set up the Etzebeth try
That’s two off the top of my head
DA is pure class
"DA’s great hands to set up the Etzebeth try"
Reading that statement, versus the actual video...it's like the add for a used car versus the actual car.
..and then you're gonna tell us with a straight face that DDA hasn't drastically lowered the bar. He catches an easy pass and passes it to Eben. That's literally the entire description of the event.
Please elaborate on the "greatness" of it...
This is the highest echelon of the game. Catching a ball while standing still and immediately passing it 2m to the left is already routine in high school rugby. We did those drills while warming up back then.
Oh for crying out loud if you can’t see his good hands in operation because of the pathetic bias then I’m not going to bother
The fact that he has occupied the 12 spot in potentially the best side ever keeping out the impressive Esterhuizen in the process, that he keeps making side of the year or dream teams clearly means everyone else knows fuck all and you few clowns think you are right
Let’s just leave it at that
I’ll leave you with his try set up for Kolbe and challenge you to come up with a better passage of play by any other centre during the November series
I’d love to see average meter per run stats for the 2024 international season….but now that ESPN is gone I know of no stats source available to the public.
Yeah he just made that dream team because he is the shitest of the 12’s
I’ll leave you with his try set up for Kolbe and challenge you to come up with a better passage of play by any other centre during the November series
I'll give him that.
Len Ikitau runs that close for handing off Sleightholme and then sucking in Smith with the no-look backhander that releases Jorgenson for the winner against England. And check out Donaldson's "quick hands" in the same move, since you enjoy quick hands Even flanker McReight gets in a quick hands.
Yes all good but none as good as DA’s set up
Ask for "greatness" in a pass to be explained. Literally one movement. No weirdness or external factors...hair bone movement/play.
The response - Others says DDA is good so he must be.
I mean, when you can't even provide the evidence from a clear-cut situation like that.
Laughable.
Plum wake the fuck up it was a great quick pass from DA without which there was no ball to Eben and no try. It was not a straight forward process pass
But unfortunately your pathetic bias sees it as a straightforward pass
Are you guys talking about Eben,s try vs Wales??
If so, It was a normal pass from Allende to Eben….
But it was Eben and Arendse that did the hard work down the lefthand side, for Eben to eventually score.
Any Backline player, even a forward player would have made that pass down the line.
Credit must be given to the two players that actually made the try happen…it’s really pushing it saying that Dr. Allendig made that try….Honestly??
M
Dave is calling the pass from DDA to Eben "great"...
I shit you not.
Wow, ok I suppose it was a good pass? But great , not so sure about that….
I have watch the wales game twice already and one thing that stood out for me, is how fucking solid our line out was with Mostert and his clean takes!!
Off course Grobbies was excellent with his accurate line out throw’s.
Then how good did Thomas do at LH and off Course with Wilco at Tighthead.
Ok was not against the best scrum in Wales. Can’t wait to see that same Combo against the All Blacks and Ireland.
Absolute Monster scrum! Scary stuff…
Fuck me there are some really piss poor rugby followers on this board
Clueless
I've never been the biggest fan of DDA. I'd much rather have a playmaker like Damian Willemse in the #12 jersey rather than a crash-ball runner like DDA and even if I was going to go for a crash-ball centre, I thnk Andre Esterhuizen has done enough this season to warrant the Bok jersey . . . but here's the thing . . . like it or not, DDA has been named in the World XV for the year and if all his many detractors would stop snivelling and bleating and rather name another candidate . . . well, that would make a welcome change.
No-one is calling DDA a superstar, the IRB have simply selected him as the best #12 in test rugby this year and in the absemce of any realistic candidates, I have to agree with them. Who else?
Yoram Moefana has been the weak link in the French backline, Bundee Aki has been injured or downright poor, Jordie Barrett has done nothing of note in the #12 jersey (in any season), Robbie Henshaw has hardly played and when he has he's done squat, Len Ikatau has had one or two good games recently but for the rest he's been a rather anonymous part of the worst Wallaby side in living memory who were thumped by the Springboks . . . so please, instead of just whining and bitching about DDA and telling everyone how useless he is and how much you hate him, put up an alternative. Tell us who should have been named at #12 for 2024.
Oh and congrats to Pieter-Steph du Toit, a Springbok legend.
As I said a week ago I would have picked Cheslin Kolbe but I have no problem with PSdT being recognised again for his consistently brilliant play and the hard edge he brings to the Springboks.
Now, imagine being the biased and prejudiced rugby noob who has spent the last few years trashing and denigrating this great Springbok.
LMAO!
Seriously, how little must you know about rugby to call this warrior an ordinary plodder or a run-of-the-mill "process" tackler or whatever other derogatory terms have been used? I reckon you'd have to be so stupid that you can't even give Rassie Erasmus credit for winning back to back RWCs . . . oh . . . hang on . . .
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha!
"Stick with Moz"? Yeah right . . . stick to knitting or flower arranging, Moffie, you egg-faced old fool.
DDA fits the Rassie game plan as a crash ball runner and that is why he is there.
His primary job is to take contact as he carries in traffic.
He sets up rucks, from where the Boks can use there kicking game to force mistakes from the opposition.
Then they get awarded scrums to force dominance and get penalties.
It’s easy to name better skilled 12,s like David Kriel for instance, that can really transform our Backline attack play.
But he would be a wasted talent being converted to a Dumb crash ball player like DDA.
I suspect that is the main reason for Erasmus picking Dr. Allendig, as his main strength is to tractor.
He does not have other skills to promote a real change towards a more structured playmaking Backline.
Only now with Tony Brown there, it’s looking that we might move away from the Crash Ball mentality.
With a player like SFM there is no other option as to get a playmaker 12 to enhance his attributes. Otherwise on the long run he will also be wasted talent.
But for that to happen we HAVE to alter the Rassie game plan and then you can change personnel.
But fact is, and that is why most complain, DDA is just a extra loose forward stuck in the 12 channel because of the Genius…
What a waste I say, dare to be more and really transform with our plethora of dangerous runners!
I see, so David Kriel is your nomination for the #12 jersey in the World XV for 2024, Emp?
LMAO!
"Draad,
I'm evidence driven. As always, all I ask for is just that...evidence.
Show me the world's best 12 performance that DDA put in this season.
The games are all available for review. Pick your best one and provide the timestamps. I'll happily watch it a give my opinion."
Plum, your interpretation of the evidence is different than mine...I've got an INTP personality, so my best decisions are intuitive...can't explain it, but I'm almost always right when I follow my gut...subconscious evaluation of all the data points and going with what feels right...never have I ever been disappointed when I listened to it...only when I didn't...
DdA does the odd stupid thing...at least once in every match, but his tracktoring and smashing thinhs up are much more than just effective...and his work at the breakdown adds another loosie to the equation...the Boks as a unit performs better when he's playing...I like AE, and there's a case to be made for him to get more game time...him and maybe Willimse are the only players to come mildly close to having a crack at the Bok 12 jumper...but they have not even come close to being serious contenders to surpass him...and a lot of pundits agree...him making the dream team is no fluke...the best team on the planet performs best when he plays at 12...my kinda evidence.
Plum, which match, in your opinion is the best game the Bokke ever played?...off the top of your head...I know mine...
Delande has his days. He is good in tight test match games when there is no space. It is not often that people break his line of defence,
I am not his biggest fan, but I must admit I have seen him play an all-round game as the complete inside centre, but in other games, he becomes a loose forward.
". . . which match, in your opinion is the best game the Bokke ever played?"
Best in terms of the quality and style of rugby, I'd have to say the 52-10 win over France in 1997.
Best in terms of excitement and enjoyment, I'd go with the 33-31 win over the Wallabies in 2002.
Spot on Draad - those that don’t get DA and his value for the Boks don’t actually know their rugby that well.
They don’t get the reality of modern test rugby and the role of the 12 in it
One only needs to look at the list of current 12’s to know what the role requires
Fleet of foot steppers in DA, AE, Tuilagi, Lawrence, Aki, Danty, Tuipulotu , Kerevi etc - I think not
But these clowns don’t get this obvious fact
Well, in terms of context and the opposition, the 2023 QF vs France for me is probably the best Bok test ever...the 1997 match vs France was my previous fav bok test...when Slaptjips scores a hand full of tries...seeing the Bokke getting a standing ovation from a full capacity French crowd was special...
The first test against NZ in 1960…won against the much fancied ABs by two brilliant backline strikes from far out. Probably our most important test win post WW2 and pre readmission,
Ja, well it's before my time...I wonder how how much footage is still available today.
Bits and pieces on Youtube, Draad. Here's the first try on Ellis Park. Nice line from the 14. Love how all the players look about the same physically, regardless if they're backs or forwards.
Easy Draad...
Boks v France in the recent WC.
Started like a house on fire, slowly both sides realised how easily the other could score, the game tightened and was on a knife's edge until Faf ripped the ball to close out the game.
DDA actually had a decent game. One were he actually completed a great pass to PSDT, who then gave it to Jessie to put Kolbe in with a grubber.
And again, all everybody is describing about DDA's positive attributes is basically just loose forward stuff.
Pollard isn't a 12, but look at how quickly the Boks began rolling up field when he came on. And all he did was to step before the tackle, hit the space and then pass the ball while the defender is hanging off him. It's literally that easy. He even passed one from the ground...something I swear I have NEVER seen DDA do.
Draad, evidence can't be assessed emotionally. Which is exactly what one does when you use intuition. For me, it's fine to allow intuition to guide you to the evidence. But at some point you have to actually look at or present the evidence. Else it just "because I say so".
So I maintain, based on how the DDA fans describe his best attributes, you may as well pick Roos for 12. He's younger, faster, far stronger and actually has decision making ability.
Also, apparently DMac is a better 10 than Marcus Smith this year.
Smith is the best active 10 on the planet right now, by a country mile. And for some ridiculous reason these guys give Dmac the spot?
Absolute joke.
My best game is probably the 1998 Tri-Nations game against the All Blacks where we down for the entire game....but scored 3 tries in the last 10 minutes to beat the All Blacks 24 - 23.
From almost certain defeat, we turned the game on it's head in the last 10 minutes to secure a fantastic win.
Draad
I was invited to the Match by a major watee engineering firm and before the match started went t the entertainment tent - where I met some senior staff officials 24 myears after I left the Deparment and they spoke to me for near to 2 hours about what we did when I was one of their project team parners in projects.
But that was neither here nor there - before the match started we awere all at or seats and there I stayed until the end of the match - most of the oher guests left by miute 60 and when I saw the people at the tent after the match I told them you missed a bloody good match
As you stated the Springboks scored three tries in 10 minutes - the first two tries were very good and certainly showed good play by the Boks - bu he ird one stemmed from panick by the AB's. The gave away ree enalties one after the other. The final one ended in a coner kick from where the Springboks scored the winnning try in he last minute of the match,
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