Planet Rugby’s WC team #5

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Mar 09, 2024, 02:29

5 Franco Mostert (South Africa): The unsung hero of Springbok rugby racked up the third most tackles in the competition with an incredible breakdown work rate. He goes under the radar for many.
Runner-up: All Blacks veteran Brodie Retallick had another stellar tournament; he always rises to the occasions in his brutality on either side of the ball. He was immense in the final game, dismantling the Boks’ set-piece. A word for South Africa’s RG Snyman, who was huge in every way and rose to the occasion in the semi-final to score a match-winning try

Mar 09, 2024, 02:44

Thoroughly deserved…the number 4 lock attribution is also interesting:

4 Eben Etzebeth (South Africa): Simply immense, our Player of the Tournament and a man who has calmed his aggression to offer a complete lock package. An all-time great.
Runner-up: Maro Itoje is back to his very best, the England lock is a menace in every aspect, getting better and better as the tournament progressed.

Etzebeth has finally got the recognition he has deserved for years. The best lock of his time, perhaps ever.

It’s also interesting that mobile locks like Mostert and Itoje are changing the game. The emergence of lock flanks like Du Toit and Courtney Lawes, is matched by flank locks like Mostert and Itoje.

Lawes and Du Toit are bigger men  than their lock counterparts. But it hardly matters as long as all the bases are covered,

The right combinations blend brawn, mobility and specific skills like the lineout.

Mar 09, 2024, 10:19

What a fucking joke which idiot selected the utterly useless Mostert at 5 for what exactly? Making tackles and getting owned in traffic

Barrett was easily the best 5 at the WC followed by many others before useless Mostert

It was embarrassing watching him predictably concede possession whenever he tried to carry it up

But wow he did make many tackles

Mar 09, 2024, 10:35

For once they honour two Boks that actually deserves it….if you think about it, even Mostert offloads more than dud : )

Mar 09, 2024, 13:56

Mostert is not even average he is fucking useless and I mean that sincerely

Mostert offloading now that is the joke of the decade. In order to offload you need to take contact and pop the pass.

Useless Mostert can’t take contact - he either gets smashed backwards or losses the ball in contact as he did twice in the WC

A physical insult of a player. Thank goodness he turns 34 soon and we will hopefully never see him in a Bok jersey again - move on.

A player just has to take the field to make a better impression than powder puff Mostert

Time to start RG with a real lock in Ruben v Heerden as his backup

Mar 09, 2024, 14:39

Mostert will be selected again this year. Because he is a smart player, a great lineout technician and totally reliable defender. It’s not just the number of tackles he makes but where he is to make them…often you see Mostert tackling players in space. And he is always on hand to protect the ball on the deck. His constructive contributions may not be as spectacular as others, but he makes so many of them. A worthy RWC #5

Mar 09, 2024, 14:52

Dave must be chocking on his ice-cream desert whilst reading this.

Credit bestowed to a great #5 player.

Time to start supporting that England cricket team Dave.

Becs please help out.

Mar 09, 2024, 15:31

Mostert is behind RG and lood in the pecking order for 5...and behind PSDT for 7, but his versatility makes him a valuable player off the bench.

Mar 09, 2024, 16:13

Way better than Lomp and certainly not as talented as Snyman, but smarter.

Mar 09, 2024, 16:19

no, he's not stupid, but he's done a couple of stupid things in his time...he's good, but not a generational great like Eben...and potentially RG.

Mar 09, 2024, 22:25

Kind of sums up this fucking idiots team he has Mostert starting and Retallick as his runner up - hellooooooo

Retallick is a 4 always has been. Barrett played 5 for the AB’s

About sums up this ignorant twats take on rugby

Anyone selecting useless Mostert as their starting 5 has to be rugby ignorant, his choice of runner up evidences that


Draad you are spot on Lood is far far better than useless Mostert and with Lood fit he will start with Eben with RG on the bench - hopefully bye bye to powder puff Mostert

Mar 10, 2024, 00:47

I thought you might finally notice that Dave, a bit slow on the uptake? I think he selected Retallik as his runner up at 5 because he wanted Itoje as a runner up at 4. I hope you noticed Itoje’s  try saving strip today.

Mar 10, 2024, 12:12

Geez Moz given how good Barrett was at 5 for the AB’s only an idiot would select Retallick out of position as the runner up behind useless Mostert

If you ever wanted evidence of rugby ignorance you have it right there. Further evidenced by doing it possibly to accommodate Itoje as the runner up 4 despite us all knowing Itoje had a pretty average WC

It’s an insult that this clown has a rugby platform to post ignorance like this. Imagine selecting powder puff Mostert as the best 5 at the WC - for fucking doing what exactly? Making some process tackles - hardly the measure of a lock

But Retalick as the back up 5 sums up everything you need to know about this fool

Mar 10, 2024, 14:20

He chose Cheslin, Ox, Eben, Mostert and Dud Toit….named Eben his player of the tournament. Not such a fool.

Mar 10, 2024, 14:31

Some choices are very obvious - ones our cats could call

Mar 10, 2024, 14:58

Would you have chosen Kolisi?

Mar 10, 2024, 15:45

I’m not sure it’s difficult to formulate an idea of how all the opensides did

Kolisi had a good WC

Mar 13, 2024, 14:05

Mostert had a great WC!

Mar 13, 2024, 18:57

Mostert was as useless as ever - all I saw was him getting owned while trying to carry in traffic

Not a single one of his tackles left an impression - unlike the real man in PSDT in that final - now that is tackling one remembers

Big hits by a real man

Mar 14, 2024, 13:33

I think Dud Toit was indispensable to our win. That may surprise you but as in the last WC final he raised his energy level. He did make one big hit on Barrett as he was passing and made lots of tackles. He was still feeble over the ball though, so it wasn’t a complete performance.

Nope I call him indispensable because of his half time pep talk against England. Apparently everybody was just sitting there in silence, nothing from Eluckmiss and his coaches, and then Dud spoke.

Just the fact that he did that was apparently novel, but he pretty much said we needed to wake up. That was an epiphany and the okes saw the homespun wisdom in those few words. The rest is history.

Mar 14, 2024, 16:43

"He did make one big hit on Barrett as he was passing and made lots of tackles. "

Either you can't count or you have ridiculously high standards for "big hits"...Barrett is probably still feeling those hits...I never thought Brian Lima would be surpassed in the tackle department...and to think, not one washing line...

Mar 14, 2024, 17:04

Can’t say I saw another ‘big hit’. But I could be wrong, rare, but it’s been known to happen.

Mar 14, 2024, 18:50 only one of the 28 was a big hit?

Mar 14, 2024, 19:13

One big hit bwhaaahaaaa - fucking joke

But I guess that’s one more big hit than powder puff Mostert has ever achieved

You are spot on Draad I reckon Jordie is still having nightmares after being smashed to smithereens by PSDT all game. It was chest beating stuff by the big man

Mar 14, 2024, 19:56

He made 4 tackles that were hits, maybe a second tackle on Barrett close to the whistle was a big hit…marginal. He also allowed guys like Savea to drive through his tackles for a meter or two….the thing you keep accusing Mostert of doing. I wouldn’t say any of the tackles were a high degree of difficulty ..  a runner in space.

See for yourself:

Mar 14, 2024, 21:09

Moz there were more than 4 big hits and let’s face it we usually only see one big hit a game from a player so even if you only think there were 4 that is some going

Let’s face it PSDT was pretty bloody awesome in that final

Saves does not drive through his tackle

Let’s face it powder puff Mostert could only dream of making hits like PSDT did that day

Mar 14, 2024, 21:48

So here are the relevant moments in the Dud tackling sequence. Times are for the link:

Minute 0.42 Barrett breaks Dud’s tackle. Mostert puts him away.

0.56 a really good tackle by Dud on Barrett

1.24 Ioane drags Dud for 2 meters.

1.41 Dud Toit hit’s Jordan hard while trying to pick up the ball

2.41 The  big hit on Barrett while trying to pass.

3.09 Savea makes 2 meters through the Dud tackle.

3.34 Retallick powers through the Dud tackle.

3.42 Dud stops Barrett dead in a good tackle.

4.47 Barrett gets a hospital pass as Dud hits him hard

5.00 Taukei’aho drags Dud for 2 meters.

So what to make of this. There were two big hits on Barrett, both occurred when Barrett was passing or receiving a pass. The hit on Jordan was as the player was picking up the ball.

So I’d say the timing of the hits on Barrett was excellent. There were a few other strong tackles. But mostly the rest were process tackles…and he gets dragged along by the runners just as you claim Mostert is. Case in point the attempted tackle on Barrett at 0.42 who breaks through only to be put away by Mostert.

Check it out:

Mar 14, 2024, 21:56

I’ll have a look at those but I do recall useless Mostert missing a tackle that PSDT cleaned up

No doubt my take will be completely different to yours as anyone watching those tackle highlights would have to conclude PSDT was massive in that final

Mar 14, 2024, 22:33

Also look for all the times he was right over the tackled player, in perfect position to fetch and was just blown off the ball. No question he had a great day tackling. To me the most impressive thing was his positioning to make those hits on Barrett.

But that required massive physical effort. Match in and match out nobody could take that battering. He needs some other contributions….offloads, more effective running, a few turnovers. Things he could do regularly.

I’d also say Barrett was not exactly adroit at picking up the Dud charges. An elusive center could have stepped those totally committed charges.

Mar 15, 2024, 02:11

So more than just one then...

Mar 15, 2024, 03:46

Yep, on review he made two or perhaps three.

Mar 15, 2024, 03:51


Mar 15, 2024, 05:17

See, Draad...

It's called being objective.

Now try the sam me with Saffex


Mar 15, 2024, 05:34

I have seen Mostert being weak in tackles many times and he is utterly usseless at breakdowns and is not effective in ball carries in traffic either.   Du Toit is ten times better than Mostert will ever be.         

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